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CONSPIRACY: MK-Ultra

2020-07-15

In 1953, Army scientist Frank Olson jumped out of a hotel window in New York City. His death was ruled a suicide, but two decades later, word of a top-secret CIA program cast new light on the case. The program’s purpose? Assess the use of LSD… for mind control. 

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We all know that secrets have a tendency to fester. They get bigger, the year. The longer we have them they make us up in the middle of the night and haunt us during the day. Most of us can keep them for very long. For the C. I a long running secrets are their specialty, but one secret was too much for them to hide Referring to one of the most disturbing projects. The CIA has ever admitted to doing Ann Kaye all trap This was a mind, control programmes but drew thousands of unsuspecting people into its web and some believe it still happening today.
This is supernatural apart cast original and I'm your host Ashley flowers every Wednesday. I'll be taking a deep dive into a real unexplained mystery to try and figure out the true you can find all episodes Cooper, natural and all other par cast originals for free on Spotify, and if you like, what your hearing reach out on Facebook and Instagram at park asked and twitter at PAR Cast network, This week's episode is about Em K, Ultra a CIA mind, Control programme that conducted drug tests on unwitting subjects. Some were damaged for life. Some were killed a CIA scientists. Scientist fell to his death, just as this programme was getting off the ground, but who, or what caused him to fall, has always been a mystery we have that in more coming up stay with us
at two hundred and thirty. In the morning on November 28th, one thousand nine hundred and fifty three a man jumped out of a window at the hotel Apple in New York City. The night in your runs outside he see the man on the ground still alive and trying to talk. He looked up to see which floor he thought in France and realizes there's a broken window. On the tenth floor, it looked as if the man had crashed right through it the manager leans in close to make out what the man is saying, but it's too late. The man takes one last breath and dies, but the time the police come. The manager knows which room he's fallen from room ten. Eighteen two men who were staying as guests in that room were Frank Olsson and Robert lashed Brook when they get stairs. Lash book is in the bathroom. He verify the name of the man who jumped Frank Olsen, he didn't anything because he said he was sleeping.
A few hours later francs, boss and friend, Vincent Rue. It arrives at the also home to deliver the terrible news he and Frank work as scientists at Fort deed Rick were the. U S. Militaries biological weapons programme is based Vincent the family that Frank fell. Were jumped from the hotel window now francs. Life is immediately skeptical. Yes, frank had seemed a bit down even a little depressed, but she's spoken to her husband just a few hours before he died and he sounded ok, then, for him to have delivered we jump a short time later seems unlikely family moves on, but something about this story just never feels right, two francs. Oldest son, Eric it especially doesn't make sense, fallen or jumped. I mean those are two pretty differ. Things. How did no one have a better answer than that as the years passed, Eric bring
it up to his mom every once in a while, but she doesn't want to talk about it. Some time shall even say to him. You were never go to know what happened in that room so the Olsson live with the uncertainty. The fifties turn into this sixty turn into the seventies Watergate, happens. Nixon resigns it's now. Nineteen. Seventy four, the american public, is fed up with government deceit. So when Expos aid comes out in the New York Times about the CIA spying on american Anti war activists, people are outraged, to call on everyone down. President forward puts together a commission headed by the vice president, Nelson Rockefeller. The idea is to lie. Into the CIA activities, but to act. Surely delve too deep board. Let's see, I know that, no matter what the commission finds out about what they ve been up to hill. Basically, than the benefit of the doubt, which may
be why the head of the CIA is so honest with the commission. The director, William CALL, becomes right out and tells them something shop. The CIA tested LSD on unsuspecting Americans. The commission's report says that for a period of time in the If these and Sixtys the CIA did these lsd test as a part of a larger project to study possible means of controlling human behaviour, Study wasn't just a limited to drugs. All other kinds of methods were looked at like, Aviation Electro shock and something called harassment substances, but rug seem to make up the bulk of these tests. They ran from the late these two nineteen sixty three. When the CIA decided that testing unknowing people with LSD was unethical, but they didn't stop testing voluntary subjects party Similarly, those that were in prisons that continued
he'll around nineteen sixty seven when it was finally disbanded. It is strange admission to say the least and leads to a lot more questions than answers Everyone has to just take their word for it, because nearly all the files on this project have been destroyed. You heard me for destroyed. That's all the reports. With one last key detail at the end, apparently, no one ever got hurt, except for one unfortunate debt that happened in nineteen. Fifty three: an army employee was given LSD without his knowledge and Few days later, he wound up jumping out a window Eric all sin, who is now thirty one reads this and realises that it is his father there talking about, he can
arms it with one of francs, former coworkers who tells him. Yes, this story is about your dad. Eric is in against. So he calls up Seymour Hirsch, the reporter who broke the story in the New York Times. He tells him There's more to this story than any one is even talking about this year. Also lie to the citizens about their fathers death for twenty two years. Harshest he comes out the next day and the family holds a press conference. They say you're going to sue the CIA for wrongful death, and they asked the Manhattan district attorney to open a new investigation, the old I believe that the CIA is directly responsible for francs suicide. Won't the White House here says, and they start to get really nerve. A lawsuit means. Sensitive documents could be released and they do not want that to happen. In July of nineteen, seventy five, the orphans meet with President Ford for a face to face apology.
Amend orphans meet with the director of the CIA, William Coolby Coolby, apology, as is too and then them a bunch of documents. He says cures everything have on your dad and his death. Please don't showed to the price, because its super secret, so the also go home excited to finally know all of the facts, but when they read through these documents, They realise that they tell a very disjointed story now. Bear with me here Is the chain of events leading up two francs death involve a lot of names and dates the best big? make out. Their father was given LSD on November nineteen of nineteen fifty three. This is about nine days before he died. It was out of reach with other scientists from Fort Dietrich and a few people from the CIA Technical Division. The host of the treat was a man named Sid godly Sid was the head cook,
missed for the CIA, a brilliant scientists with the dark instincts of unnatural spy. It was his job develop and test all the chemical tools used. Over operations and interrogations now sit was ambitious, but he always been a bit of it outside or at the CIA. More the men at the agency were Ivy league types who came from leak backgrounds, but sit was different. He was from a working, class family in the Bronx and had been born with a club foot which caused him to limp and he had a stutter. This outside or status could have sidelined hit, but instead He used this to his advantage. He worked closely with the army scientists at Dietrich, who share a common goal with the CIA, learn How to use chemical weapons to bring down the enemy, bring all, and was one of the first hires at Dietrich back in nineteen forty three, the weapon he worked with most was anthrax.
He also made other kinds of weapons to like we're talking James Bond type gadgets like a lipstick that would deliver a lethal poison as soon as it was used and an asthma inhalers that would cause pneumonia. Frank was good, so good, in fact that at the time of this retreat heat she's been recruited by the CIA and was working for them in gotta be army, but family, didn't know that so godly get All of these scientists, together at a place called Deep Creek Lodge on November eighteen. Nineteen. Fifty three, the following night, after dinner, he has glasses of Kuan Trow passed around each one, has been laced with LSD without their knowledge. It isn't until After the men finish, their drinks that got leap tells them what's in that he says it's going to be an experiment. It's not totally clear what happens after that but Frank leaves the retreat early and comes home. The next day he's
moody and quiet, and he tells his wife Alice that he made a terrible mistake, but he doesn't explain. What that means to her it seems like he's wrestling with something, but she doesn't know what the next day Ngos to see his friend and Supervisor Vincent Rue. It he's clearly agitated. He keeps saying he messed up the experiment and he's getting paranoid bins Russia's him often tells him it's just the lsd. He was just with it too. So he knows what it's like, but Frank, comes back the next day How he sang he wants to quit his job. This isn't like Frank at all, so single leap, sits down with him and tries to get a handle on what's happening, but whatever happened in that conversation got leave, is so alarmed that he orders frank to be taken to New York to see a psychiatrist Doktor Harold Abrams in no doctor Abrams and isn't just any doctor
he's on the CIA is payroll, so at least that's a conflict of interest. When the patient is a disgruntled CIA, employee but Frank. Does what he's talk He goes up to New York with Vincent and another colleague, Robert Lash Brok, Frank talks. It Abrams, and and then after that they bring him to see a magician to hypnotize them with sounds a little bit weird, but hypnosis is one of the CIA is favorite interrogation tactics. Finally, they were trying to get some kind of information out of him, but it's hard to say exactly what all the while Frank is only getting more and more paranoid. He keeps asking his colleagues to let him go so he can just disappear. He spends the whole wandering around Manhattan and throws away his wallet and I D Sudan, stay, they bring Frank back to Maryland before they too came home, though they stopped by Robert lashed books, apartment godly comes over and
hawks to Frank again and whatever have and he decides that Frank needs to be sent back to New York to see Doktor, Abrams and again so Frank goes back New York and this time Robert Lash broke is the only one who goes with him, Doktor Abrams and is able to convince Frank that here spend some time in a mental hospital to get some proper help and after this Frank, seems to calm down by all. Any account he's fine that night he goes to bed he's quieted down he's even almost preside then in the middle of the night, Robert wakes up to the sound of breaking glass. The implication is that bring had taken a running jump at the closed window and crashed right through it. Now this story on its face doesn't make a lot of sense. We have a lot of people.
Places and movements, but we're pretty much honour own to make sense of the motivations. It's all Is that the CIA saw Frank as a security risk, and it seems like like trying to make him talk, but about what, for the also, and there is still a lot of questions, but this seems like the closest thing to an answer that they're going to get so we one. Seventy six. They agree to a settlement with the government for seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars, exchange. They have to agree to drop their litigation for ever so it looks like this is going to be. Word ends for the all sent until A year later, when a researcher files of freedom of Information ACT request Bore, the CIA is files on the LSD Programme, which was code named M K. Ultra now The researcher doesn't assume that there are many, because they told Congress that most of the files had been destroyed, but to everyone's shot.
The CIA turned over sixteen thousand pages These are all financial records, but they reveal a lot and what's in these pages is so disturbing and so frightening that Senate immediately calls a hearing because M K Old, rob wasn't just on ethical. It was horrific. Will hear more about em king ultra. When we come back high supernatural listeners. Like you, I am a big fan of podcast but sometimes the hardest thing is finding new shows to dive into, which is why I'm here to help did you. Now that the same team that made supernatural is behind a whole collection of other shows here is a was from one that I think you're really gonna like pirate. On I'm Alina call those to the new power original serious crime countdown
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of them involved LSD. Some of them involved, hypnosis, sensory deprivation, isolation, electro shock therapy and induced sleep, the people being test. Were clearly chosen with one thing in mind: their vulnerability. These are people who wouldn't complain prisoner is psychiatric patients, inmates and mental hospitals and in some cases, people with terminal cancer and the sub. Weren't, the only ones who were unwitting the doctors and say high interest running these tests also didn't know who they were working for, because the CIA use shell companies as fronts, but all These studies had the same purpose to find a way to control the human mind, but why, like so many things that happened during the cold war. The answer is because the soul, its were doing at or at least what everyone thought after
the korean war, ended nineteen. Fifty three, some of the american soldiers who'd, been captured as prisoners of war by North Korea didn't want to come home, some of them. They'd switch side and embraced communism. The only way. The? U S was able to make sense of. This was that the communist had obviously brainwashed them, because that's clearly such an easy thing to do right now, a mere can forces had captured a lot of prisoners. Since world war, two x nazis refugees, russian agents. They were all being held in safe houses, overseas and interrogated Since these save houses were in places like Germany and South Korea, the CIA could operate bear outside of: U S law. There was no oversight, and if these prisoners, I during interrogations, will who was going to say anything. So the CIA decided to use these safe houses as a testing ground for a bunch of drug experiments
They assume the Soviets have already developed some sort of drug that makes brainwashing easier and they find the same thing, something that will make minds more play but more open to programming. They test. Every drug bacon, think of cocaine, mescaline, marijuana, stimulants, downers and then Finally, the CIA finds its wonder drug LSD, LSD created in a swiss lab back in nineteen thirty, eight by nineteen. We three scientists had discovered that it could produce hallucinations. The CIA started using it in their interrogations in the safe houses, but also in experiments involving regular people, some of whom are aware of the test and some who aren't what they find. Is that Alice he is really unpredictable for some p it makes them more inhibited with others. It actually can make them incredibly confident and others. Also and having breakdowns. So they did
I'd early on that it's not going to be that useful as a way to make people talk, but Sid got leave things. Lsd is the key to controlling the mind he thinks it may be strong enough and powerful enough to dissolve the mind completely. This way person will be more susceptible to other ideas or brainwashing. So godly proposes a top secret programme devoted to studying the effects of LSD. I may call it and the ultra and its approved in April. Nineteen. Fifty three Sid godly will be entirely in charge. All he needs are doctor. And test subjects, preferably people who won't complain if they find out one of the first doctors they recruit is Harris is who works at the Addiction Research Centre in Kentucky its prison, slash, rehab centre for drug offenders, Doktor Isabel gives these men massive amounts of LSD, so much
that at least one of them says that he Michael permanently insane. If he has to have it again, after Isabel knows how to get these men to do anything. He just bribes them with heroin, which he supposed to be helping them kick at one point he puts seven men in isolation and give them lsd every sing. Day for seventy seven days, and so of them he's giving four times the regular dose this. Being is going on at the Atlanta Federal penitentiary, a doctrine in Karl five. Is doing experiments on inmates to see how much lsd it takes to make some one psychotic, but he too of the inmates of the tests are for a new drug to cure schizophrenia. The Atlantic inmates were also given a enormous amounts of lsd every day, but they were given it for fifteen months one of the men who lived through this was the gangster Whitey Bolgia, who wrote about the experience in his journals divisions
He had every day were violent and terrifying. He'd say things change shape before his very eyes. He become apparent Lloyd and unable to sleep. In the end, He barely escaped with his sanity. Do of the inmates actually did become psychotic possibly even worse than this were experiments done at a hospital in Montreal Canada. Under a doctor named you in Cameroon, camera was doing cutting edge work on Skype. Fr Enea, but he's methods were pretty extreme burst. He cut off patients senses such as sight and hearing and touch then he'd feed them. Not drugs that they'd almost be in a coma after I've been in this state for days or even months. He'd give them electro shock treatment that were thirty to forty. Times the average voltage he followed
this by putting them in solitary and feeding them. Hardly anything but LSD. Finally, he'd attach helmets with ears and to their heads and play taped free. Is, and noise is on a loop things like my mother hates just over over and over are. The idea was to remove negative thoughts from the mind, but by the end of these treatments, people were completely broken down. I mean they couldn't feed themselves, they couldn't use the toilet, they were cared for in sleep rooms like Babies accept this was a state that they'd never grow out of will appear. We sit got leave at the CIA really liked the sound of all this. It was the closest Two brainwashing that he'd come across in nice fifty seven days started Pain Cameron to do the same experiment for then I may funded
him through a shell company called the society for the investigation of human ecology. At least one hundred patients were put this torture in the name of the CIA and most and were women who were seeking treatment for mild problems like anxiety and post partum, depression, the whole point was to see if, after people's minds were white clean, they would be able to in plant a new personality in sight of them, but this and seemed to have ever been successful years later and Ethics Committee would say that these treatments were on the same scale as nazi medical atrocities in some vile up studies on Cameron's patients. It was found they literally lost months and sometimes years of their memory and yet camera was a lotta doktor when he started.
Working with the CIA. He was quite literally the president of the American Psychiatric Association and the Canadian Psychiatric Association. Apparently the fact his research with a complete failure, didn't seem to have blemished his record but good. Leave wasn't just interested in testing prisoners. Are those seeking mental help here to see the effects of LSD on ordinary people in normal social situations, so he hit idea of safe house is here in Amerika, but these were like the torture chambers in Germany. These were like groovy apartments in New York and San Francisco. Starting in the summer of nineteen? Fifty three CIA agents would actually lure people off the streets of Greenwich Village and into an apartment on Bedford Street, where they given LSD without their knowledge then
other agent would fill them behind a two way mere. They used a narcotic detective to run these houses and most of the people they brought in were connected. In some, way to the underworld of drugs, and vice realize that they been drug, they weren't likely to go to the police in. M Francisco the CIA added an extra element sex workers These women would target men, thought to have classified information and then try to get them to reveal it during sex, the agents, was interested in exactly when a man would talk during sex Needless to say, this was all films behind a two way mere as well, then there where the research institutes on college campuses, which didn't quite go, the way the CIA expected students were recruited, for experiments involving LSD, eventually they began talking about this drug and word spread. The recent
there is even began using it themselves. By the early sixties, LSD had reached. Nearly every college campus in the country can keys an author who was one of the biggest proponents of LSD had been an early test subject four m K alter at Stanford another four tests. Subject: Robert Hunter wound up writing songs about LSD for the grateful dead, maybe the most. AMOS Lsd. Enthusiast of all time, Timothy Leary gave the CIA full credit for bringing the drug to young people and started the Counter culture movement of the sixties, throughout all of base. There seem to be one problem: mine troll wasn't working destroying a mind was easy control It was something else entirely, but sick, godly didn't give up M K. Ultra was his baby,
free one thousand nine hundred and seventy two, the Watergate scandal forced the CIA to rethink this secret program. What if they couldn't keep the files on ultra hit, people would be insane so the director of the CIA, the time Richard Helms, ordered all the files on end K, Ultra destroyed signally carried out that order then he decided to take an early retirement. Got leave. Had ways lived two lives at work. He came up with ways to torture and kill, but at home he cared for goats and chickens. Yogurt and raised his children to be spiritually inclined. It to know exactly what motivated him, but when he retired it seems he wanted to leave his life in Washington behind in nineteen twenty three. He and his wife sold all of their possessions and set sail for India where they worked at a leper hospital. Maybe
he sends to what was coming because, just a few years later in nineteen, seventy seven, the Senate, convened a hearing about and pale trot and the purse that they wanted most to speak too was Sid got leap. I mean his name was all over these documents, even though other names have been carefully crossed out I also knew that he had been there one to actually destroy the files after some can fourth dot. Reluctantly came back to the states, he got a lawyer and arrange to have immunity. He knew that frank rules and death was almost certainly going to come up and he wanted to be ready during hearings in September, nineteen, seventy seven, his talent for technical doublespeak served him well when he spoke, nobody could really understand him. When questions got too pointed, He claimed that his memory was just fuzzy and throughout the entire
Your hearing his lawyer, would make sure to remind everyone that M Kate. Ultra studies were too old to be prosecuted the statute limitations for federal crimes is just by years, most of had taken place, fell outside of that window. But when centres asked about Frank, Orson got leaves facade almost almost cracked, he called it. A go a tragedy, but not enough to make them stop the drug testing, since they didn't think there was enough of a causal connection between his suicide and the LSD Emmy. In the end, guy leave walked away without even a slap on the rest. President FF word, signed in executive order, making drug testing on unknowing people a crime, but really that was about it Meanwhile, as the seventies became the eighties, Eric Orson can't stop thinking about his father's death Now that all of this information is out in the public about Em K, ultra everything
the CIA has said and done seems even more nefarious. How he knows that the settlement from the sea- I was really just money to keep him quiet. It's time to investigate the case himself Nineteen. Eighty four, he decides- spend the night at the hotel Stadler, he into the same exact room, but his father stated and right away. He sees it. The room is way too small for any one to take a running jump within momentum to crashed through a closed window plus the window sash is too low for him to have jumped out. He must have died. And why would someone died through a pane of glass, the only possible Pity that makes sense is that he was pushed which mean This was no drug test gone wrong or even suicide. This was Murder
when we come back, will learn more about Frank oceans, death now back to the story. When Eric Olsen starts to reinvest the his father's death in the early eighties, one of the things that he does is go through his dad's passport. He sees at his father, went to Germany during the summer of nineteen fifty three when the CIA was doing some of their most intense experiments on foreign prisoners. Eriksson, to believe that his father witnessed a terminal experiment done with drugs that he was developing and he started to have second thoughts. In Eric learns from an english journalists that his father complained about these experiments. He told a call in british intelligence that he thought the. U S was going too far. So when Frank Olsen was brought to that treat and given an lsd, laced drink. It wasn't just an experiment: it was a test and opportunity for him
We can't to say that he was sorry and still on board with the mission, it doesn't seem that he did this. This might be why he felt he made a terrible mistake, as he told his wife, he knew what they were trying to do when they gave him the drug to feelings, of the blanks Eric decides to go visit, all the men who had been with his father during those last days. He wants to see if any of them will break and admit to foul play He goes to see Robert Lash Brook the man who is supported him to New York, took him to see the psychiatry and shit a hotel room with Frank, the last night that he was alive lash book. Heats the same story except this time. He let slip that godly was in New York, the entire time that does makes sense, because Golly was supposed to have stayed in Washington so goes to see, got leap himself. At this point, the ex spy master has totally reinvented himself he's become.
A busy volunteer teaching children with learning disabilities and helping out at a local hospice but he is still a master of manipulation. He asked the door with a little joke saying how he had a dream that Eric had a gun and wanted to shoot him Eric's taken aback. Sure got lead that he's. There is a friend they chick about his father and got leave gets a little wistful. He says that he did they It is former life that he's not proud of, but he doesn't cop to anything more just about to leave with this sense that Sid Godly really did care about Frank, and then he feels badly about his dad. But then golly does something strange He takes Eric aside and asks him whether he'd ever considered joining a support group for children of suicide victims. Since he seems very troubled,
It's all just a little too much for Eric something about his demeanor makes Eric realise got. Leave has something to hide, in ninety. Ninety four, ten years after going to the hotel Stadler Eric had his father's body exude when Frank, I, the family, had been told that he was so wounded by the fall of the casket had to be closed, but when they dig up the body they don't see The evidence of lacerations orb scratches nothing that would fit with a body diving through sheet of glass, a forensic pet knowledge is. Does fine one curious thing, though a human Toma or a patch of Blue under the skin on francs temple. It's like Frank, was punched for he went out the window. This way have been suspicious on its own, but then Ninety, ninety seven Eric come
across a CIA manual on assassination that had accidentally been declassified. It talks about the perfect on. Traceable form of murder, a fall from a great height after The victim is stunned by a blow to the head now he knows this was definitely more and the CIA used a method, so foolproof ends oh easily, deniable that it was actually in one of their favourite tactics and actually sheds light on a few other mysterious death that happen during that time, several influential men died in the late fortys and early fifties under unusual circumstances a night in forty eight Leary Dugan, an economist who was suspected of being a soviet spy, either fell jumped from a sixteenth story, window Jane forest. All the first secretary of Defence also fell out of a sixteenth for window after he was forced to resign from office,
a CIA agent named James Crumple apparently took his own life in nineteen. Fifty three the same year as Frank Olsen. He also turned out to be soviet spy. These deaths have net being classified as anything but suicide, but in retrospect it's hard not to see a certain powder after this error, went back to the Manhattan district attorney and asked them to re investigate his father's death in one. Ninety nine they were able to get the cause of death changed from suicide. To something called see, you p p. I call unknown, pending police investigation. With that, as far as it went, the D A never had enough to bring a case in front of the grand jury. Still Eric has Never given up a couple of years ago, Eric went back to see Seymour Hearse, the investigative reporter, who first told the story of Frankel sins debt in the early seventies Eric
goes to see him and says. Basically, look the CIA Fed you a bunch of lies in nineteen. Seventy five lsd test was essentially a cover up and you fell for it so hard. Goes to his source inside the CIA. Whoever they are in queues at them of lying to him. He asks point: blank was all thin murdered. Apparently this source located a document somewhere deep in the bowels of the CIA. That says Frank Orson was murdered. He calls hers and says you know what you're right, But in a maddening twist Hirsch can't tell air or any one else, what the proof actually is: He says: he'll expose his source if he does so. Eric often still doesn't have closure his
suspicion his theory, it's all correct. He just doesn't have the proof even after seventy years, other votes of an k ultra have faced similar problems, getting justice. Years later, three of the inmates who were patients of Doktor Carl Pfeiffers in Atlanta wound up suing the CIA and its director, William Casey. They claim that the LSD, ass had given them lifelong mental problems like paranoia. Hallucinations and even flashbacks, with their suit being dismissed, because the statute of limitations had run out a ninety Eighty nine victims of you in Cameroon and their families sued the U S this year. A wound up paying a total of seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars to plaintiffs, but they never admitted that they did anything wrong of course There are a lot of people who believe that entail trot, never really ended today,
mind control programmes are very much alive and well it's the ultimate conspiracy theory, its past, ever since Watergate, our government has actually become less transparent. Just look at this, Odin files, but a secret like em k, ultra I'd like to believe that a programme like that could never happen again. But we can just never He too sure there is one strange detail that sort of makes me wonder. It's that Sid got leave admitted Ann Kaye Ultra was over. They had all been just a waste of time, thanks for listen
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