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I know you're not going to come out in front of me and speak to me, so that's why I left it there. If you wanna speak to me, it will be good. If you don't sorry for waking, you up hope you have a good night. Sleep bye for wondering I'm. Your host MIKE Boo, welcome to season four episode, one hundred and four of sword and scale that reveals, The worst monsters are real,

for centuries, humans, exchanged flowers to communicate, nonverbal messages, the type the color or even the arrangement of flowers can express love, friendship, admiration or sorrow. Red roses. Express romance gardenias symbol. Forbidden love and Phillips, convey happiness, but these symbols of romance love and happiness can also be used to. Be late to troll and toad still fear, flowers, chocolates poems letters, Anything can be twisted into a tool of abuse it's in the hands of a stalker,

all of twenty fifteen twenty three, old. Alice Ruggles was working in Newcastle England for the broad testing company sky. She was originally from Leicestershire England and had graduated from Northumbria University in New castle with a degree in product design. She a well respected employee at sky, so so that the title of office coordinator had been created specifically for her two thousand and fifteen Alice time off from work to head to Sri Lanka on vacation with a friend of hers, excited to spend some time relaxing and explore the island nation. Well, Sri Lanka, Alice's friend, posted a photo of Alice on Facebook shortly after mutual friend whom Alice had never met Austin in during comment on that photo the man's name, was trimming. Dylan

trim and who Harry was raised in India an only child born to wealthy, loving and devout seek parents growing up Harry, moved around frequently because his father served in the army as a parachute, regiment, major Reportedly, attended catholic schools and military academies for deciding to pursue a degree in strategy management. The two years of his degree gave him the option to attend Queen Margaret University and Muscle Berg Schottland. Outside Edinburgh, no longer under the thumb of his religious parents, started letting loose at Queen Margaret University, photographs from his time reportedly show Harry Partying and hanging out with scantily clad women not actually activities his devout Sikh. Parents would have condoned around this time the British are

came to Queen Margaret University for recruitment. He decided to follow in his father's footsteps and join the armed forces. He Benchley go on to reach the rank of Lance Corporal as well as serve as a signaller, with the royal Highland Fusiliers of the royal Regiment of Scotland, also known as the two Scotts Harris first Tour of duty in the army brought him to Afghanistan, where he served in a non combat role in our two of twenty fifteen Hari Dylan first made contact with a woman named Alice Ruggles from his base Afghanistan, after seeing a vacation photo of Alice posted by a mutual friend on Facebook, he commented is the most naturally beautiful woman. I've ever seen Alice flattered by Harris Comment, began messaging him

the two slowly got to know each other over the internet, exchanging messages and video chatting on a daily basis. Even though Harry was posted, thousands of miles away, Alice often come home from work to discover that Harry had sent her flowers in exchange surprise him with care packages sent to his base in Afghanistan and January two thousand and sixteen Harry Return to the United Kingdom, where he was living at the Glen course. Military barracks, just south of Edinburgh. After Harry and Alice met in person. For the first time they relate ship intensified. Edinburgh was about a two and a half hour drive from Alice's apartment in Gateshead, but compared Afghanistan. The DIS This was not a problem as their relationship progressed. However, there were other problems

Alice. Slowly became aware that in person. Harry was not the same man she'd fallen for online over the internet, Harry seemed sweet, caring and thoughtful and per He was possessive controlling and abusive He was very intense at the beginning of the relationship he was very controlling of Alice. He would try and accentuate issues with her friends and then attempt to isolate her from them. He would try and control. She was wearing what she looked like. It would be check messages if they were up in company with other people. He would be commanding of her attention. View, dialysis, his property throughout their relationship. Harris to control. Every aspect of Alice is life

from the way she dressed to the way she spent her time. He would often criticized her for not looking attractive enough other time he would berate her for looking to attractive it became increasingly jealous. Accusing of trying to attract the attention of other men you wanted to know where she was at all times and who who is with he would do, things for no other reason than to exert control. Once while this was taking a shower. Forced her to get out of the shower and stand in the kitchen. While he use the bathroom then when he was done he. Let her go back into the bathroom to finish showering Alice told a friend named Genevieve that Harry Quote: had problem with the way she lived her life and quote: Genevieve's words he didn't, or drinking putting on makeup or nice clothes, his

and she was always trying to impress someone else. He made comments about the size of her nose and the hair on her forearms emitter self conscious and not the per She was told Genevieve. That Harry was constantly trying to make her jealous of other women. By doing thing. Such as dramatically pulling a long blonde hair from his uniform in front of her making it Alice. The hair was much lighter than her own one On Alices birthday Harry tried to make her jealous by telling her that Victoria's secret models would be visiting his base. That day, to be clear, this sort of behavior is abuse, and this not Harry's? First time abusing a woman with whom he was in a relationship Harry began his first long term relationship during the fall Two thousand and twelve. With an eighteen year old bulgarian student named Aniko,

Aniko's mother called Harry EVIL. And said that her daughter changed while she was with him like he would later due to Alice Harry attempted to Roll and Nikko's life, and within months he had proposed to her or They did not get married. The relation stretched on for over two years at which, Nico had had enough and go ended. The relationship, but Harry did not want her to move on. It began stalking. Her when she started dating someone else, Harry would show up out of nowhere on one such date Harry did Lee approached. The couple add an echo and called her a bitch, during another encounter Harry, allegedly threatened to throw acid on Anico is use of behavior resulted in a restraining order, unfortunately,

the struggles had no way to know about Harry's history of abuse. However, was brave enough to stand up for herself during the summer of twenty sixteen, after just found out that Harry was cheating on her. She broke off the relationship Harry would not go away. He began to terrorize her. He attempted blackmail her using her intimate photos. Into her social media accounts and Peated Lee sent her letters and poems and one such letter, Harry wrote, cool I'm going to make you my wife, and you were going to have to deal with me for the rest of your life. End quote in a poem he said, Harry included the line, I'm not psychopath, as you say, and rhymes such as I can't accept. It ended all that Broken can be mended

Sinclair Harris one of Alice's CO workers at sky, the way who's texting. Her was becoming obsessive. He was refusing to accept Alice finishing with him at barbecue hosted by Claire Alice, Ported Lee read some messages she was receiving from Harry out loud. According to Claire One message read something along the lines of what do you me to do. I would cut off my arms to be with you. Soon after receiving that message, Alice, told Claire- oh my God, is now going to write me. A letter in blood Claire joke to Alice that she hoped he got things in the right order, given that it's awfully hard to write a letter in your own blood. If you've already cut your arms off Alice found the joke hilarious. After the break up Harry set. A facebook message to Alice is mother, who Archer his message as

immature and rambling, it began the message with the greeting hello mum which Alice is mother, found bizarre and creepy, and the message Harry wrote, I beg you help me take me as your son, and maybe feel my pain and loathing so told Alice is mom that the five foot inch Alice had attacked him during their relationship. Ok would call Alice constantly leaving lengthy voicemails Alices, flatmate Maxine Mcgill, who heard one of these voicemails said he was, planning that he did not want to kill her and he was called just to prove to her that he I want to be there for her but I remember him using the words or phrase kill you six or seven times in that message. Abuse was taking a toll on Alice.

According to Maxine, Alice became an introvert visibly shaking with anxiety. She became skinny. She las so much weight. She was pale. And nowhere near as outgoing as she used to be on Saturday September. 24Th Harry alice. The following voicemail begging not to leave him months, after she already had despite the Continued harassment, Alice, was slowly bouncing back from her toxic relationship with Harry. During the all of two thousand. Sixteen Alice began Kindle a new potential relationship with uh Army officer named MIKE. She met,

while on a trip to visit her sister in Germany and the two connected instantly Alice's flatmate, Maxine Mcgill told Media outlets MIKE Alice, very happy. She told me that I knew she was visiting her sister in Germany for a couple days and she came back at different person to the one who left left a shadow of her former self came back. I started to see the real Alice again because she had met MIKE she had. A couple of days with her sister and MIKE it was just bond between two people. They got on like a house on fire and she the banter between them was unreal. That's how she put it. She said she felt ' You could just talk to him about things. According to Alice is mother, This was really happy with MIKE, as she put it they are so well matched. She has exactly the same. Quirky sense of humor

even found out about MIKE likely 'cause. He was monitoring. Alices, email and social media accounts after fine out about this new man in Alice's life Harry a friend from college who worked as a psychologist, the two, went for a walk in the park. And Harry showed the friend a picture of MIKE, according to her Harry obsessing over whether or not MIKE was more attractive than he was. Repeatedly said, be honest. If he is better than me, Want her to be with someone better than me and she bonded by telling him to move on from this obsession, but he did not move on in Harry's twisted mind if would not be with him, then it was his to make sure she couldn't be with anyone else. You attempted to end

the relationship by any means possible once it twenty. Second, allegedly messaged MIKE on Facebook, saying hi MIKE. I know think about you, Alice is playing both of US man. She's saying that she is still in love with Maine, while trying to you up I know she will have said one hundred and one things about Maine two guys on is pretty messed up. Please tell me where you guys stand. I feel pretty that she's saying she loves Maine, but as seeing you too, please take in a positive way, wanted to be honest with you allegedly Harry also forged messages between himself and Alice on the messaging app whatsapp, which appeared show Alice telling him. I love you. Attempted to use this fabricated conversation to convince That Alice was still in love with him, but this pathetic attempt to BR

The relationship would not prove successful. According to Maxine. This incident did Alice because she really liked MIKE she was worried. She would not see him again, It consumed her for a while, but he got back touch with her because he felt as strongly as Alice did and she was back Getty happy self. If anything seemed as though Harry was only bringing Allison MIKE closer to each other but he refused to give up. On Friday September 30th Harry left Alice, another voicemail Please call me back, please, you don't know, Are you still getting this voice message to speak? Can you call me back? Thank you that night showed up at Alices Apartment, knocking on doors, an windows and leave behind flowers and chocolates. He then left yet. Another voicemail

Please call king, do not speak well, you didn't wanna call me again, so I can come down on my way back. You want me to take it. If you want to bring it up to you, I just wanted to do something that you say. I'm sorry and I'm sure that I'm really I'm sorry yeah, that's the least I could have done. I know you're not going to come out in front of me and speak to me. So that's why I left a bit. If you wanna speak to me, it will be good. If you don't sorry for waking, you up hope you have a good night sleep by Alice, didn't talk to Harry on the phone, so he showed up. At our apartment in person to show that he was sorry for refusing to leave her alone. You Are you in the middle of the night, by knocking on her door and window and assess Voicemail Harry tells Alice.

Earlier you said guys like me, end up killing people. That's why same with open hands to put flowers and chocolates there and left them there. Killing you is something I've never ever thought about. Someone is really poisoning your head? I've never heard you Don't want to kill you I'm not in going to kill you, I don't want to kill. You. Ok have a good night Are you familiar with Lyme town vehicle number. One podcast is now the best new series on streaming video and only available on Facebook watch line. To show that follows the mysterious disappearance of over three hundred men women. Children.

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I know that he's hacked into my facebook and also my phone and he's been sending me messages, even though I've asked him not to contact Maine and basically like just messaging, my friends and things. And then tonight. Well I lock my door and will you please send me a message saying Then in your garden since five I had my jaw and then when I went under it, got like a little. You know, there's you can look through and there was no one there and then it happened again and call three times an he's come around the back, not on my I dream window at the back of my friends also, and I stood outside it's like last and some flowers and put on there like outside window selenite he walked off is not done anything but I'm just concerned I've been putting off, like my friends, have been telling me

Please I've been putting it off, but it I just said that like shaken up tonight, so it can be cast as harassment. Yes, if you do any contact problem or the number of things you can do, yeah You could go to solicitor and take out and function yeah. It move it from here, yeah or report it directly. At least now we can issue a little dip in nor which means we've ever comes near you again, a contacts again to translate this for our non british audience. The operator Alice that there are a couple of different options. If she doesn't want him to contact her, she go to a solicitor and take an injunction which is essentially the equivalent of filing a restraining order or could issue him, a pin, notice or police information notice, which serves as a warning, but does not actually constitute a formal legal action. Shockingly

the operator leaves the decision up to Alice so which would you prefer? Can I try it out please, of course you can then join me. Please pardon your name. Right and it's Alice, I think they say numerous- I'm not argue double J earlier peoples of December ninety one. So what she called Nredlearn, instrument which is Trib. How are you telling someone will ask so what was his name So his name is Harry, Dylan and but he's gotta get a seat name, which is trimming right. So this is what we did. Bye honey, yeah, hurry hurry? yeah at least part in the talent and Thi double Lon right and how old is Em25

Where does he live? He lives in Edinburgh and then yeah season. Down Harry lives in Edinburgh? it'll of Scotland, which means he had to drive roughly two hundred and forty miles round trip to get to Alice's apartment and Gates had England which constantly confronting the right part for rock star, yeah and well I've blocked his number. We've got two phones on block both numbers. So he's Send me gmail messages. I haven't thought too much email because I don't sorry, my my work, email, I haven't replied, said that he's also made a fake snapchat. How to try and contact me on. He had hacked into her facebook account hacked into her phone mess which are from two different phone numbers acted her through a fake snapchat account message on Gmail attempted to visit her home in response.

Police were going to serve Harry where they pin notice something that would do little beyond notifying him. That Alice had contacted the police. He knows it yeah race, please, to cool instead of them with a little. I'm going to do in the morning. Steven Portal points left for tomorrow, others so it looks like it's going to be Sunday now, yeah, that's ok, yeah We will see you have some gear and with a one o'clock at two years from being in a statement from you, and it comes in really cracking stripper. Kaulbach

ok will be. The police were going to see her to take a statement in the morning, but there, any appointments available, so they pushed it off until the following afternoon. Let me remind you, this is now A6 month. Dental check up this is a report of stocking Alice called the police because she was fearing for her personal safety. Find Alice's, flatmate, Maxine, Mcgill Alice felt palm off by the police when she called the report Harris Behavior, Alice, told her that the call felt like a waste of time. Surprisingly, Harry was not deterred by the pin notice he sent out Another package this one contain photographs. Notebooks Anna Letter on October seventh at five hundred and fifty four p dot m Ellis the police to report

this violation of the pin notice, rather I'm taking this report seriously. However, the opera, lays plays down the severity of the violation. Good afternoon, so you good evening, Northumbria police, chief speaking talking out loud hi there, I'm yeah, I I've been in touch with the place, an somebody finish. Your pencil contact me. However, okay, as a lecturer right great the report of a ten yeah, it was a from from what he does. How do you deal and So that's where the pins against this yeah yeah. Ok? Well, on your telephone number, but here is seven billion, seven hundred and forty million eight hundred and fifty six thousand two hundred and ninety one

Yes, it's Alice for goes to sterilize. He yeah are you Gg Lef? Twenty four foot some, the ninety one. I want your address once we say rolling right and that's an Poke cake get a good day. I did well when a t h on the right side out hello and please get the best or is it yeah? Thank the good son back and nine eighteen. Ninety eight December nineteen today I received a letter from yeah What was the content of that? That was, he hurt it. Birdman had like

each other and Alexa Hearing him notebooks not until after yeah. Operator goes on to ask Alice whether or not the content of the letter was threatening and whether or not it was harassment. There's contents are significant, but the fact This letter was sent in the first place after a police notice was issued, should be, Inter I did, by law enforcement as a threat to Alices personal safety regardless. Of the letters content no Or what the letter said? It was harassment and it wasn't sure if it was like and now was it not fattening it. Just it's just saying I know that called the police on him and he can't everything confiscated and already has not to himself in a pen and paper

the ipod and explaining why he came down last Friday, and then it says at the bottom. He won't contact. You know this. Yeah laughter here for them, but if they said that a lot of time in ever just seemed to stop. She said that before and you just continue to contact you yeah. This exchange is absolutely infuriating, so you want to call back to discuss this yeah. What What do you believe? What happened to that? I'll. Let you know you want to contact you back. Yes, sir, discuss what can be done? Ok, will it be the let's see something that's been dealing with my case, I can't go into her it'll, be I love mommy. I don't know you got you got. It is their best friend before you back any any time I really will be fine under your telephone number.

So what else is here? I've got seven billion, seven hundred and forty million eight hundred and fifty six thousand two hundred and ninety one yeah. That's right. You want to contact you see at least ok, alright! Thank you thanks. I imagine calling your local police station saying, I think, I'm in danger and the opera responding! So do you call back later to discuss this Alice Ruggles felt threatened enough to call police on Harry Dylan Multiple times, even after. He violated a pin notice by contacting her. They failed to uh in any meaningful way. After talk to the police Alice was exasperated. She told sister quote? They will respond once yes, fucking stab me and quote

after suffering, months of harassment and stalking. Four year old, Alice, Ruggles finally made the decision to call police reported the abusive behavior of her Ex boyfriend Harry Dillon on October, first after he showing up at her apartment, uninvited, knocking on doors and windows, and leave find flowers and chocolates police failing to grasp the full weight of the situation issued, hairy ape in notice proceeded to violate immediately by sending Alice another package. When, Alice called the police again on October seventh, they once again put off taking serious legal action five days later, on October, 12th Harry once again decided to make the long drive from his barracks in Edinburgh to Alice apartment in Gateshead. It was only Wednesday, but Alice is already looking forward to the weekend MIKE

a new romantic interest who lived in Germany had booked for the following day to come visit Alice in England. They were to spend the weekend together and they were both looking forward to having that time to get to know each other, and you had it much about MIKE from Alice and let's talk about my quite a lot and she was so excited that he was coming to spend the weekend with her. She started talking about where she was going to go and what you're going to wear and and she it's not about what I'm really nice guy. He was after arriving home from work that day. Tried on ball gowns in her bedroom and texted MIKE about their weekend. Plans MIKE wondered whether or not he should rent a car asked Alice. If they were going to go out drinking kidding. Alice replied is anything I freely non alcohol related at Four pm MIKE replied Actually it is caught up in her conversation with MIKE

Alice might not have heard someone climbing into her apartment through the open window MIKE never received a response and six hundred and thirty pm Alice is roommate, Maxine Mcgill arrived home, so tries to find the front door locked and apparently having forgotten her keys. She shouted to Alice asking to be let in receive no response. Maxine scaled the wall to get into their backyard. Thankful that someone had left the window open. Climbed into the apartment. Within a few minutes, Maxine found Alice lying on the bathroom floor, so in her own blood panicking. She called nine hundred and ninety nine please help yourself just invite to my flat in the door was locked so close to the window. In my flat mates covered in blood in the bathroom he said, breathing

Look, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to stay. Calm signs take out whatever drive going north ice covered in blood. Did you say yeah, ok, bye. What is two seconds? all right, Alas, Oh, my daughter's daughter, she's good. No counting in feet said: what's your name, foxy Not yet! What's your surname, Maxine's, making me go and see, Gail Ncg, I double l, okay! Maxine tells the operator that she came in through the window. And she found Alice's body covered in blood

Alice is skin was blue and yet the door was open. Nor was it all matters what the cloud from a window that wasn't meant about daughter and she's lying covered in blood she's watching work, so you had to go through the window, yes Open the back door, wasn't open or prism is alright. I've misunderstood clean up Alexa, yes, yes, yes, please, mate is in the bathroom in the bottle. Can you have a look and say she's breathing for the ambulance? Not she's, not she's, not breathing. No, she looks no, Midwest blood from Sacramento nor language broken everything say that again sorry, I leg looks broken everything I don't know Alice's leg looks broken.

And there's so much blood that Maxine can't tell where it came from. I've got more than one colleagues on the phone at the ambulance. So if you're in the car she turned the bathroom, awesome. I love it all right. Alex how much flooded by activate it. I said she's been attacked, please help oh my god. That's how you been going up so scared, but don't you find steak Tell me a joke in really. Well, things have been tipped over in the bathroom, yes and everything It looks a mess like she's, not even she's, actually blue. Please just two seconds.

Anybody seen anybody since we solved I'm telling Mccauley yep yeah, I'm going to give you a ring because she's gluten seeding ship- yeah yeah, please Jennifer with you. No, I mean I'm gonna check out the door. Oh my god. All right I was so young weird How do I touch after they leave the white culture? Are there with you? No, Oh it's just catch that you find please not coming. She said that she said she's black,

and also that role in this whole and traveling coffee, please. I need something here right now. I know what you do will get it to you soon as the card, ok, just try. Right right, trying I'm trying to read. It is really really well. Who did the right thing by giving us ring trying to read another very difficult, Ah, I just talked to. Try it right now. Please help me Maxine's mind is racing searching for some sort of explanation earth Let's turn to Harry and Maxine tells the operator her ex it's an absolute psychopath. I know how I will sell it.

You see. I mean I don't see that absolute psychopath say that again! Sorry, not complete antibiotics and she thought one or one. Every weekend he reportedly stayed in contact. This is we're going to do nothing. No, that's about right. He'll! Try to contact her at the weekend. Please contact one hundred and one because she put on a statement about them two weeks ago and without shoe addict boyfriend carried Ellen right, so she been having comes with that axe. Yeah. So do you think? That's that's what it is yeah. I can hear the siren What what's what cold sore? jealous. Please! Maxine's neighbor. Having heard the commotion enters the apartment,

my neighbor, she Right! Ok! Did you hear that Listen, listen! Asking either! Boise College, Boise Association, so this order. Why do you think it's a bit cause you just Redmond Bluetooth device instead and stuff like I need my mother flatmate? I can hear the police are coming All we can tell me which okay, no one really well, through

okay? I don't know what to do and now what yeah the police officers that he had close your phone down from a maxi. Thank you. There was nothing Maxine could have done. When emergency services arrived struggles was pronounced dead at the scene. Soon, as I see now the fly in there who's frozen in fear, I've never felt in my life before what so I kept moving down very close to see. If I could hear a breather just wanted something they could train helper did bring up. They should keep doing that. Nothing is going to bring it back It's something that,

I don't ever think people Aries from my memory saddens me the most about it. As It shadows mom made many of Alice when she was alive when she was happy and that beautiful smiley horse. I find it really hard to imagine and nines because of what I see nothing on October tenth two days before Alice is death. Hari Dhillon had driven down to Alice's apartment stuck around the back entrance and taken photographs. On the afternoon of October 12th, one year and one day after he first made contact with Alice from Afghanistan. He returned to her apartment. Harry sat in his white Bmw outside the building waiting. Alice to arrive home from work While he waited you message,

the girl he'd never met on the dating app tinder, trying to arrange a casual hookup he told the girl he would be available in twenty or thirty minutes, Harry. Watched as Alice was dropped off by one of her coworkers and waited outside for a little while longer. Meanwhile, this was trying on dresses and texting MIKE about the upcoming weekend between six hundred and four p dot m when last texted, Alice and sixth pm when Maxine arrived home Harry Dylan, climbed the wall into Alice's backyard and into the apartment through Alice's, open bedroom window Harry found a six inch knife in Alice's kitchen and chased. Her to the bathroom, where was desperately trying to lock herself inside, but Harry forced his way into the bathroom pinned

down and slashed her neck with a knife Harry brought the knife down repeatedly it's fully enough to sever Alice's Voice Box and carotid artery, penetrate all the way down to her Spine Harris, truck Alice's neck with a knife at least six times exposing and severing her windpipe and create a complex wound that result. In high velocity blood, spatter Alice likely died due to what Th ologist would later refer to as cat traffic bleeding. Harry also sliced, the tip of Alice's knows Including defensive wounds, Alice stained, twenty four injuries in total, when Maxine found Alice lying in the bathroom she was soaked in blood lying her back just inside the door with her

pointing twords the shower, or when was blue and she was surrounded by a dark red pool of her own blood crazy. I was I was I woke up. I could hear the dog barking and knock on the door. Ann two in the morning, so I went down and the two police at all saying: can we come in and immediately I thought this is just like. It is on films that this and they just they just proceeded like it would on the film a come a come in. Please is the wife of white. Can you can you wake around? Please? Would you like to sit down in the kitchen? We've got some bad news. All of that is just like you see films on television, and yet this was playing out for real and, of course, all this time. You know it's going to be something horrible, but you don't know specifically what it's going to be and then they said it's Alice that that was it. That was the moment where when they heard that their daughter had been murdered AL

as parents immediately knew who the killer was, and then they said to us on. This is being killed, and actually I think we looked each other soo hills. An Clive Ruggles Alice's parents preceded to con, Alice is two brothers Nick and Patrick. I remember was lying in bed university, so it's up in Sheffield and mom and dad always plan things days in advance like contacted Maine, and I sort of I woke just for whatever reason I don't know why about six hundred am 'cause, I just notice of six or seven missed calls from that really weird, it's not like them to call more than once. You know without messaging me to ask: what's alright Anne and so I went down to the door to let the man- and I I think, one of my first questions in a list on the left for just the who is it because I I knew something was wrong and it was just a rumor they. And here's all the classic signs. I said: oh I'm going to guide you

sweetie or make some tea. Do you want to sit down, and it was just those moments were horrible, because I knew something horrible had happened, but I didn't know what it was going to be and when they said it's Alice sees killed. That was just out horrible. I can't think of a worse point in my life. Dallas is gone, is not affected both of your lives is a bit of a shock to the system about how we interact with people and we always been very kind of, I have always been very, very trust levy. You know I told my friend no one, and certainly you know you realize that shitty people I know enough, let into my life and I've, even trust them. You know to a degree and suddenly I know that I called and that you kind of he takes your. Back in really message it's also quite effect on my daughter, and she was She got view really upset and really confused about it, and she was asking how wise what is someone hurt her? Why was you know? I mean why who hurt her and, of course we can tell, yeah, I mean 'cause. She had met him, although she probably remember it now

and would anyone help me and it? You know it's quite hard to answer, because you want to be honest and say you know. This is what happened, but I don't want to be honest because she's full she doesn't need to worry about, but she is you know it's very, very mixed emotions about it. While Alice is family grappled with the news that Alice not so much joy into their lives with Taken from them at age, twenty four police were tracking down the man who caraway. Harry. Dylan had taken, Alice, is phone and fled back to glee course Barracks in Edinburgh, where he discarded the knife used in the attack, the twenty your old lance corporal, was arrested. During the early morning, hours of Thursday October 13th Inven gators, discovered blood on the steering wheel of his Bmw on Friday, the 14th Harry Dylan, was charged with the murder of Alice Ruggles at trial.

Reclaimed. Alice's death was an accident. He that Alice had attempted to attack him with a knife and that he had, try to disarm her fallen onto the knife during the struggle. The store which was clearly constructed to fit the evidence. After the fact analysis, parents could do nothing but watch as Harry indiscriminately shifted between fact and fiction in court Dylan, you had to sit there and she. Honey afflicted him for two days and yeah, but here it what it's not like. How is horrendous, because We knew he was lying because some of the things that he said resonated with things that really did happen, and so we're sort of Harvard thinking. Well, I sort of send me believe that, but I don't believe that and The thinking is he going to be released and if going to be released.

As somebody else is going to have the same thing happens there, but is he going to come after other paper in the family? Has he has he forgotten? You know that he had all the terrible things. He said now, both Alice and Emma, during that trial? Is he going to come after Emma 'cause? He obviously felt bad. Are you surprised, by balloons manner throughout this No, it reinforced the fact that how guilty he was because how could he say He loved Allison be crying because she wasn't going out with him and then describe how she killed herself without even looking at all concerned. Anything? And I mean we looked at him so many times to see you know? Well, we were just looking for some some sense of what he did in order to be what he done or even what had witnessed of what he was saying was true, which we obviously didn't believe, but it's just absolutely nothing at all.

All the time he was in court. He was damned eating. What he was like he, not only reaction, as he was not only had no emotions, but he was actually control things in court. His arrogance was breathtaking in front of Alyssa's, family Harriet Alice's character as is that of her sister. Emma Alice is brothers were also Present at trial list to lie after lie, search without success for any sign of remorse, hidden behind Harry's, cold exterior. What are you upset made was when he would start attacking Alice's character and M's. Because you can see all he once is to get away with it. He doesn't care about anything else. He only cares about himself and I think best part for me was not when he was trying to get away with it, but when he was saying all Alice was horrible, it was a wireless, his fault and you know Danalis. I was told us

Anatole Dallas, the end that you know it was old have fallen on. This is just ridiculous like no, not none of us would ever say that, and it's just and I was wasn't about a person is and those are the lines that really hit hard and it just I don't understand how we could say that really it's just he was so cold and calculated the whole time wasn't. I mean there was one point where the prosecution actually said. Do not feel any emotion at all, and then you saw him like trying to most this emotion and when I think the prosecution pointed out some other facts, he then all the emotion was immediately gone and you know that it doesn't it does. This feels like it doesn't feel anything he just in in a it's just a cold calculating and I met her. Relatives when they're going through and going through, all the injuries and all that and his hair, Take stuff and we, pieces and any there and just completely unfazed. No, this is what happened, and that was that it's really kind of that was

We don't want you to see someone do that and you know they're lying, and you know it's. Put on, and this is someone they supposedly cared about her. He told the court that he was devastated and heartbroken After witnessing Alice's death, but apparently not devastated or heartbroken enough to call for an ambulance. He claimed that he was trying to Alice from herself price. Houston pointed out that Harry did not sustain a single injury, asking him do you ever consider done the worst job ever at protecting somebody from themselves. I responded. Yes, I have done the worst job? Yes, the fusion followed up by stating. Wanted to live and she not for her life that afternoon and you killed her. Harry devoid of emotion, insisted! No. I did not kill her. Before sending the jury off to deliberate judge, Pulse

own summarize. The arguments made by both sides during the trial, in his words quote Harry said he didn't cut her throat deliberately, he said. Miss Ruggles was the love of his life and he ' and cared about her deeply when asked, Was he loved about her? He said her sense of humor and the fact she made him feel good about himself. He said 'cause. He was only a child. He got real attached and committed. But he was not obsessed with Miss Ruggles- is, He had not melt on her back in the shower tray, while sliding her throat the prosecution say on the evidence you have heard can be sure that this defendant is a compulsive and habitual liar. He himself admits telling lie after lie after lie to people period with which you are concerned, execution says you can't rely on anything. He says his word is utterly worthless. Houston says the ever

Leads you inevitably to the conclusion that, throughout the relationship, the defender who is controlling, manipulative and obsessive so the lovely, happy woman surrounded by friends was by the and isolated, miserable and scared. Of the defendant save prosecution, he was controlling, thereby posting. His own ego is behavior made him feel good about himself. Prosecution says MIKE was the final straw, not only We had, she left him She had found a new man, someone better the defendant. He was about to lose control, time was running out. That is something his ego would not allow. The quetion says he is constructed on art. Official lying account twisting Turning doing his best

Taylor, his account to meet the prosecution evidence, but he can't do it. The evidence is stacked against him. The process says she didn't act. Dentally cut her hands and forehead and repeatedly cut her neck blood in the shower. Tray was The result of a nosebleed, the defendant attacked her with a knife. And then tried to cover it up, and lie his way out of what he had done says. The execution. The jury reached a unanimous verdict: finding Trim in Harry Dylan guilty of murdering Alice Ruggles, as the verdict was read, Harry, reportedly stared straight ahead, showing no emotion do the sentencing, Judge Sloan stated you pinned her down, probably kneeling on her, then in an act,

barbarism slashed her throat with a knife at least six times causing catastrophic injuries. Even more despicable than that using trial to make yet more gratuitous attacks on the character of Miss Ruggles. Now shred of remorse. Have you shown from first to last you are concentrating so hard on getting your story right, giving evidence you forgot even to shed a crocodile tear Harry, was sentenced to life in prison with a minimum term of twenty two years, emotionless, as he was led out of the courtroom. Twenty years is not enough. I personally like to think it's not twenty. Two years, I like think it's life with a minimum of twenty two years, an emphasis what the judge said about his lying is written in his notes for his lying character and it's compulsive need to manipulate and lie, and I like

that when that consider him from for for all levels, keep in that because that's you know that's who he is and a person I don't, twenty three years is enough, but I like to believe that he'll be in there longer. No, it's definitely not enough. I mean he's is taken away. Someone's life I mean at the end. Twenty two years does Alice come back. You know she doesn't that's permanent, so really his sentence should be permanent. I mean, I know. Obviously, that's not how the system works and two years is a long time and that's Patrick says it will go on, but it no it doesn't. It doesn't seem right at all justice has been done in some way. There is yeah some conflicts and absolutely, I think, the biggest fair for us. We knew it was ridiculous possibility that he would stay with the the you know. The jury would stay. Nothing says not guilty, but there's that fear that if they did and I genuinely believed his law is that it be after us. Next, you know it be. Scheming, something else or or even hurting someone else. He didn't know it's just the thought that he Be out there and hurting someone else is

defying, so I'm glad that he's away some He can't hurt anyone twenty two years enough for him. I don't think so. I hope that It's the end of twenty two years, I'll, look at it and say how can we trust that he he saying I went hunting again you know they can't do that. They can't trust that he won't go out and so somebody will all come after other men set, my family, I don't even again let him go under wanting to come out. I just think he would be attained. Perhaps to the rest of the family? Even then, I would worry about that.

We will live the rest of our lives. Knowing the Alice should have been here with us wondering what she would have become, imagining all the people she would have continued to affect with our infectious sense of humor and her sheer love of life. Alice was a kind incredibly sociable, fun, loving person. She had the ability to light up the room whenever she walked in so much. We believe there are important lessons to be learned from what happened to Alice. We didn't think that she was a sort of girl, something like this. Without him too, we welcomed him and Dylan into our family and he came across as a normal person. Unfortunately, he was a cruel,

We made our lives miserable and took her away from us with hindsight. There are many scientists talking and coercive behavior that we did not recognize. Everyone should know about these signs. This is national stalking awareness week and we feel there is a need for much more work to be done to publicize and identify stalking and controlling behavior. The root cause is under stop them developing out of control. We all hope to do as much as we can from now on, both on our own and in collaboration with the organisations such as a Suzy, Lamplugh Trust and women's aid, to learn lessons to raise awareness and, ultimately, as we all sincerely hope, to help prevent what happened to Alice happening to others

had Alice is calls to police been taken seriously. At the voices on the other end been trained. To adequately respond to reports of domestic abuse and stocking Hairy, Dylan would have never had the opportunity to end the life of Alice Ruggles. Five days before she was murdered. Police asked Allah to decide whether or not she wanted them to arrest Harry. That should I have been her decision to make fortunately, story and others like it. Unique to the United Kingdom, all have a long way to go? if you live in the UK and are experiencing domestic abuse or know someone who is call the national domestic violence helpline at zero

eight hundred and eight two thousand two hundred and forty seven. Free confidential support. You can also learn more about what they can do for you at domestic violence, helpline dot, org dot, If you live in the US, you can reach national domestic violence hotline at one eight hundred, seven hundred and ninety nine safe. That's why, eight hundred seven nine thousand nine hundred and seventy two. Three, three from information or to Is there free online chat service visit their website at the hot org Alice, is Ruggles. Family and friends have set up the Alice Ruggles Trust to raise awareness about domestic violence and stalking. As well as raise funds for projects and organizations working to help victims of domestic abuse, to learn, about their efforts to make a donation go to, rugglestrust dot, org

Does it for this episode of sword and scale? The word is full of monsters, be careful who you lend your heart too, until next time stay safe,