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So the missing persons report came in at about three thirty the last time that from anybody that we have spoken to during this investigation, that anybody had heard from her, about one o clock that same day. It was there, reported that she was a missing person and just about twenty six hours later point the hours later, as when we found the body when you start looking at it, I mean just there's some that's weird there and you don't know what it is and, I think, being again here, human being right. We have and makes sense in us to be pro I'm sorry, sir. We think we can stop anything of the United States housing right. This guy did it what we know he did it: Well, sometimes things out what they say: things aren't what they seem a fool three year old, dishevelled, homeless, man named Sean Schwartz been harassing a young girl and her family

much so that this girl takes up restraining order against him two weeks later. She is missing the day after that, police find her lifeless body in a field before These have even officially identified the body, her father, TAT, Ballinger. I was on a local news stations, Facebook website and proclaim that his daughter is dead. Also, asking for money through a go. Fuck me, whose outlets report on this strange murder show the crazy ramblings of this homeless, man, the man mostly the responsible, a man who continues to post Facebook. Videos, rambling about politics and homeless rights and rape, culture lashing out at every injustice. He perceives sound familiar with it, don't stop, and neither Is the interest of us all our community of self proclaimed websites.

So what I noticed probably the first day that this case really go and it blew up the first. I start following it without surprise, followed through I'm pages strength. You know it's a big thing right now and so for this case I saw justice furred Natalie Ballinger group. And I joined it knows only probably like, five hundred members at the time, but at the end of the day there two thousand people in there and every speculating putting their theories out there, pointing fingers and adjust grew into what I Sir, and have considered a shit show, everybody loves a good show right. There is a socially sure yes, yeah reaction and in in today's day and age it's you know it's it's kind of fascinating, how much information we can gain through that, but

also, on the other side of that there's a lot of information that is absolutely untrue. False accusations claims that they never were. So those are all things that, just like you suggest that we look at and then we we try to collaborate. That does that Make sense. Does that fit in with with what's been said, our goal is to make sure that were we're not heading down a path down a rabbit trail that we don't need to go down, saw one of those rabbit. Holes was TED, Ballinger, Natalie, Father war against all here, Saint speculation has been thrown around by some of the leading people in these groups have just been pointing fingers saying. Well, he has drugs in Heaven tat. He has had no criminal history with drugs and cartels in the web. Sleuths dig up TED's past

which includes a series of arrests, May 28th, one thousand nine hundred and ninety nine offense child abuse June, tenth, two thousand and one offense third degree assault criminal mischief March Fifth, two thousand and thirteen offense receiving stolen goods under five hundred dollars August. Second, two thousand and fifteen offense child abuse August. Second, two thousand and fifteen offense third degree assault simple assault. Dismissed September. Sixteen two thousand sixteen parole eligibility along with that a series of civil judgments against him and in eviction its clear TED Ballinger was no saint. But the frenzy of accusations against a dead girls, Father reach feverish proportions on some of the Facebook groups, and then spill out onto the go. Fuck me page, after a series of strange events. Really two Natalie Funeral First

the memorial service is suddenly cancelled and the following post is distributed within the Facebook groups. Following this case many of you are asking why Natalie services were cancelled the day before her plan funeral. As the managing partner of the funeral home. I will tell you why, in the state of Colorado, you must have both parents agree to all funeral plans and cemetery arrangements. They must also agree on funds coming from the district attorney's office. This includes funeral home church and cemetery arrangements. In Natalie case the parents were unable to reach an amicable agreement on how all of the funeral services would be conducted. We can post all night on theories on what we believe or who is response,

At the end of the day, federal heights, police Department, Adams, County Sheriff's office, thrive, church pastors and the management of Carol level in Funeral home decided an amicable agreement to meet Colorado. Funeral statutes was not possible. With this said we don't take sides of either parent or family members. It's in Fortunate, in a situation like this, that we cannot honour Natalie Life tomorrow, You know, I mean it's because someone may have aid from charging or pass. We can't just read this speculation than throw them out there like their backs You don't really know you're you're. Stranger online thousands of miles away, a news article where there was one of his businesses had apparently got hit by a raid.

Now you're, throwing an cartels and all these other variables. That realistically, are correct, though that about as much as I know about him to go. Find me it had mostly supportive comments, but a few people include In someone named Healy, Vincent decides to go on the attack so the day before the service Monday. Tat. Another family went to the funeral home. He was threatening everyone, including the priest. He was screaming and cussing and causing a huge seen. So the cops recalled both parents received five thousand dollars each from the victims fund to cover these expenses. Was actually told today the secret service that no one knew about, but her mom side was wonderful and TED. Wasn't there due to the go fuck me bs, He also spent all the enough money on himself just for the cremation didn't pay for the cremation. I know for a fact

events in posts, the following message: three times on the go from me: you are a vile and filthy pig TED Ballinger. Let it be known. Not a cent of this campaign went to any service or to bury his daughter. He also had to be escorted from the church after flipping out and using vulgar language to the priest report. This campaign we you will be looking at fraud charges now. Have you seen a case in which Someone was accused of of horrible crime, and in that happen. That literally has happened where their life has been kind of pulled apart online. By websites that made a mistake. Fortunately on web sluice, we Allow people to accuse. Anybody of a crime unless they have and talked about as a person of interest by police. But again we do have these safety nets in there it sure that we don't

His grab some random person and start throwing money at him. That is one thing we don't want to do. I can't imagine I can imagine, being a father and suffering. Probably the worst experience you could possibly for as a father, loose your child and then being accused of murdering your child and having it be complete, bullshit there are cases out there now, where the Father and the mother, it's very suspicious, but nothing has been conclusive but you're right. That is the absolute. I can't you know. I've been accused of public, of doing things that I never did and now awful enough to be accused of murdering your child, I care Imagine how awful B, and that is reckless now if there is something that our law enforcement has indicated that that person is simply a suspect

That's where it gets to be a big gray area, because people do want to discuss true crime, and this is what the police are telling us so well, the evidence, but again you have to be responsible MIKE and we do our best on websleuths. When we discussed a person accused of a crime, we don't allow them to name calling and do terrible things like that. We just try and look at the evidence, but again I'm sure we're not always successful at that. And then, when you add in Facebook and other crime forms at just don't have any rules, it can get really ugly and it's very irresponsible. It's just one thing here. So I would like to see- and I know people are going to freak, but I want to see everybody. These are real name when they post something having to impose went from anonymous posters to you had to have a facebook account array said: that's gonna die on the vine nobody's gonna. Do that? Will there more popular than ever. I don't see why you can't put your name up to something you say and stand by it, but to me

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dean, dollar or more order. That's pro oh code sword for ten dollars off any order of fifteen dollars or more for new diners. So download grub up app today and use promo code sword to enjoy the restaurants. You love delivered how is Mr Evans, I much like many of the rest of us. Misty was treat by this case or Leon. I don't even know where to start she heard about the case and decided to start of Facebook group started out being called missing. Now that we balance or the next day they found her body through changed. It suggested for not only border and then other admin on, went nuts and control group in named adjusted for Natalie Bollinger, so we changed our name again to series and discussion that way. People could talk. What they thought I without

without feeling intimidated. Now I want to get to that other admin. But first just tell me a little bit about what was going on in this group. What what were people posting about? What you know, what was it all about. It was a lot of speculation and, of course, I would say a ninety five percent when beginning founded Sean because of how public, post where and how public Natalie Post was about the restraining order. A lot of talk about shine, and could he passed We have done on that. This or not that sort of thing yeah. What what did you think a shot? I haven't heard time was Sean. I just have a hard time with him. Respecting her boundaries. She said now she said, stop it. She got a restraining order and he continued even after her death. He was.

Throwing all of her skeletons out for the world to see in that wasn't his place to do so. So I have really hard time with him. I haven't you Is artistic, full spectrum, artistic nothing like fun. I know that there is a whole array. Our time with him right honestly, don't believe his active and has even been fully diagnosed by a doctor. He does seem to throw out there quite a bit along with the panic attacks. He says he has for just about everything right and people, but usually I mean I have a husband that suffers panic, attacks on the regular and he'd ever talk about them like Cato, but make a facebook poor thing you ever given me pick panic attack, sir. I had it. Twenty thousand panic attacks today. So it's hard for me to see somebody using it as a crash when I don't really think without, given it, let's face it, Sean Schwartz, yet suspicious hell

Immediately, if you, if you looked for Natalie on Facebook and social media, takes things in such a different direction. But if you immediately look for Natalie, you saw her last very long, public post, which It is unfortunate that it had to be that, but it put it have fun. Of course, everybody's going to go. Look for John Forts, and you know What do you page and there were coming dozens of public videos, so it's hard? Not he. It was hard not to be appointed to him. Am I think that social media made it very easy to point to him and now last post was almost like. She was writing a warning. I got Hey watch out this guy's gonna kill me I'm off and then you go to him, video than you see what he says about her like that. Stir shoot himself in front of her. Of that

feel his warm blood like that's not Not anybody with half of a brain would think hole. You cry what did I do see? and honestly, like the media, didn't even pick up on it right away a cook, a bad. How did you come to interview Sean? I mean initially, I was like a man has got. This. Has to be the guy. Do you know and had something to do with her disappearance with her murder. I wanted to come at it with a non by a stretch out here. I just wanted to hear his side of the story. I wanted to see what he thought you know without any outside interference without hearing what this person said about him. I just wanna hear from him story along this journey I mean it looks bad and you know what you said. Thousands of strangers online, sending him messages

telling him that they're gonna come kill him and you all this stuff, and I think that step back and look at it like that. It's not fair were at work. Were turning into a it's not in the justice system- is why I would say it here: or guilty by your peers than you are being tried in a court of law. Torches and pitchforks. Exactly the ten day too weak mark. He had made a post that he was going to address and I believe it was a church, but on the backs of the church there was a shelter and he wanted for me to come, kill on January sixth of two thousand eighteen shot. Schwartz posted this at six thirty one p m on his page, I'm on my way to John Church and bolder on fifteenth and spruce. Come out me the ground, you fucking cowards than its in forty nine p m. I am waiting company. In the ground been here while come fucking put,

in the ground you fucking cowards, then, at ten forty, three p m, fucking God damn coward, that night Sean ends of getting arrested for us. Halting, a police officer and resisting arrest. So what happened. Some friends of mine is all the peoples written. There show me and my family, my friends why Just let him have me so Nobody cares. Squeamish did yesterday the way it always is. When I'm having a steer, panic tack and more people than makes, you scared the shit out of me. Antimony scared, shitless, because my family's danger, despite Sean's insistence, that nobody cares and nobody helps it seems, Show me and my family, my friends is really on the internet tried to come this man's assistance, but it was The kind of assistance he wanted and at work in the way that he wanted a colonel people. Probably saw that. I know that several people, maybe I'll offer

from crossing the border and help me to take leave This is what led up to the events in me. Haven't panic. Tat began the church. There are a couple of days, and can you scared me also need to be reminded us that platform as part of the arrest, the police had confiscated Sean's flip phone, which contained text Queen him Natalie now sister and a few other people that could be important to the investigation. They too, Sean. He would be able to pick up that phone on Monday, but few concerned. Friends on the internet thought he should leave much sooner than that a lot of people involved really know what was going on and I'm trying to let a man that was attack. On the european interest, did you catch that he said he might cursed, some of the people who are actually trying to help him some of the three

AIDS then speculate that Sean has turrets Syndrome whose was done Sean suddenly decides to take off his shirt, mid sentence and groans and grunts in what seems like severe pain. A friend of mine bought leave, suddenly save Their ticket was wasted because I told them. I need to wait until Monday House trying to explain that to him I had to wait until Monday, my pig I couldn't go any sooner. Are they going to get for that night leave so opening of the sitting. And it was never have now along safe, trying to get money western Union any don't just under so much pressure like you guys got no idea. There was nobody there. The actual you there.

In many ways- and they sent me- but you get sent me offered to shit- I couldn't fucking used busy at an advantage tat someone there one person to correspond with me that they didn't have So I gave up and then secondly, show me the costume them? Instead, they took the end for the well his check. Listen to this next part for a clue as to why this man, who harassed a young girl, claims was harassed. Himself was very long. Very that's part of the reason and gave up inside you say to be seen in his bed. Boys. Can get me TIM peace. And his bitch boys, but who the hell TIM Basin, and can I actually talk to him and he is very interesting character, not in a negative way. Just when I reached out whom you know, I saw again on his group's people just

attacking his name. So I wanted to reach out and asked how he was doing and he was very heart, felt about what he had to say about. I mean you know a keyboard like war. He must have done something as he made a huge donation go find me and when I talk to him he said to pay for the whole thing I would have, but it's all the money I had- you know he's talking about near. He wrote a song that you wanted to play her memorial, I mean he was just a genuinely a heartfelt care. Their end, really cared about this girl again. You just have people speculating, throwing their name under the bus, I'm going to finger. Without even knowing person, without even taking the time to just say, hey. How are you doing, and his is greatly

Yeah he's asked him. It is here this is MIKE Boo Day. I just taxes. Do a few minutes ago. Yeah so I have to have to say to you, I'm very sorry for your loss. I dont know anything about. You are how close you were with Natalie, but I know that you did know her, so I have to say that I am very sorry for four years right now. Thank you. I should very close. I dated her for a while after a while. We shake back to Colorado after we did it. There are a few months ago. We start to talk again. Then what the issue went missing,

How long ago, was it when you guys we're doing? about a year ago, will she getting anybody and between like after after you, A sheer babies after she dated me today, funded out in Virginia a little while split within the new back here retorted me again. Stop talking to me we're about ear. That time it was worth getting anybody and between like a person's name. The last I heard she was with a deeply jelly counselor to fear. The only time she really mention generated view was that he is held onto a dog for hours or more heat

helping conversation. She wasn't dating him when she went missing washee, think she may out there Do you do know anything about? What's going on with his case? You know if, if this job a person has. Emerged anywhere, has anybody heard from him? I have Nobody has heard her mercy, he just kind have disappeared by scores with a case The day tat she went missing, Joel It called me off her far because earlier. That day

She and I were taxed in terms of what it was a fairly warm day. I'll call you. She likes to write motorcycles. I happen to have motorcycles she's out a rough time with crystal problems. Everything to your suit sure get away from said, while I can't help you move or anything. I can afford to take out a motorcycle ride with Wanna go for it as it was real and walk What can we gotta dig? It would have been a Thursday. As I do assure you, gotta get cold Ok, let me get a few things taken care of. First, elections were not radio, ok, the rules by I'd gone out written a little bit. Just can be ready going whenever she would call.

And I got a little too going to be all right now and then a few hours. After I got home, her boyfriend Her boyfriend that she was with when you called me off of her father, What did he say? he basket. Natalie was with me I don't know he said we were supposed to gone awry, but it never back from That is why I can't find her. She's missing it. So as my guy, so as my why were headed girl, firearm. I said: what do you mean she's missing her phone is at the house She is not at the house, and neither is my god he's a doll

it's not like Natalie to just leave her found somewhere. That's that's not something she does right that is true, issued without any surface teenage girl things go there and then I didn't get any responses from anybody until another couple hours later, when her twin sister calmly and was freaking out her sisters missed She had no idea that jury had already called to tell me the errand Ask if I had seen during this call ITALY's twin sister. Alisha informs M basin. That she knew he was talking to Natalie again accord. The term she made it sound like nobody. Shrilly new Natalie. And really told anyone that they were talking, but

indecent, says. The reason they were talking was because of Sean there. We started talking. She wanted my help with getting all copy and screenshots stuff involving shop, or a restraining order for the protection order it because when he, when he first had become a problem, I was with her. I was dating tat. He had been a problem for a little while before she and I had started dating back there weren't. You first hear about the Sean Character and how did that happen? We were we probably engaging per month, maybe two months and she shot me a message to babes You need to know about this because the stewardess, is freaking me out said: okay well, what's up and she is this guy, I'm that a while back. He was almost guy, I

started talking to me earlier about warm. I wanted to help them, and now he won't leave me alone TIM. Actually sent me some of the screen shots of text, conversations between himself and Natalie about shy. Stocking her? They see legitimate there's no reason to doubt they aren't. He's text and your kind of crazy shit like obsessed with an EU starting to Scorn- and I want him to go away. I want to leave me alone. Maybe the boy for it not to together we find someone crashing my girlfriend or any browser like that. I'd much. I should hate border. You need You need to back the thought why Can't you can't treat girls like this. I don't care what your problem is. She should leave her alone and we should respect that he turned his attention from her to study.

How about a shit about me in her asked me which I mean find her out me: we surely powerless Just ignore you don't bother me, but he then he was persistently and after a while, he stopped he just disappear stop posting about each circles about a bunch other crazy stuff, but he both of us all eventually Natalie and TIM break up, but they remain close friends. We half an hour. Our disagreements became she's. One in the weather, lifestyle that I've already lived through didn't want to be part of life. But, unlike I can't tell her what to do now, What do you mean she's shoot at that time, which she liked party staffing and I'm,

But your party urge I I found myself in a lot about situations become side. Can the straight away for parties, but that was something she wanted to be sure to an end. Don't drink it with your friends and others as just not necessarily think drugs could have been an Reno. She didn't make me a couple of times is that she had used drugs in whatever you talked about it, I was never necessarily under the impression that she was like wildly. Why don't you yeah. I got it just in person, She uses more than a person that I can see sit back and eaten. Fallen, mushrooms and get your ass off of that kind of thing. So I never really beggars too much of a problem with that At the same time, that's not something I want

around my life or whatever she shit? I disagree. That's about the way that we want to do stuff so far away, and I didn't I stop talking towards left. And then one day out, a blue, I got a message from sheep. Got hold of him said Sean's back he's coming problem together with training Ok! Well what can I do? How can I help Do you have any of these messages from this time? These messages I these look, but I didn't see you did. I would need them. And choose warrior. I didn't either, but now he's like he's following me and shit

And, like he's actually take place, things and he's not just posting things about me, posing things about you and you like getting on my dad's page posting things. About my dad on his facebook and stuff, like that, like Ok yeah, you mean a second I'm all our work went through in and she did eventually get everything she needed to get the protection, but protection order with this thing in a way that they do it was that She had to find a way serve shown herself she had to get someone herself to serve ass insanity hand, have away yeah, do locked up, and have a witness who would want who tells a victim of stocking that they have to serve their down there. Yeah and then here's the even more thought up part they put her address.

On the paperwork. But he was served. They gave the emperor location what the hell I've got a copy of that shit attached former. This is when Natalie Text Sean and agrees to. See him immediately after he was given the protection order, because She was very doubt about having to give it to us I said you know you: do you arrange to meet him, but you don't go? very yourself, you send an officer? to serve it to an end I gotcha the great idea, she was Yom immunity that she says foundation. Is he still texting he's like posting about me and stop them It says on the paperwork that he likes but believe me alone and yonder. Why do I have one comment at the police this is their job. This is where they're supposed to be stepping in, and you doing the coptic Insured, ok yeah and she gets

just our of them and they went out, and I talked to him and then couple of days later. She shoots me a message and I consent ass, any screenshots. Others too. Where her of her telling me that shit taxpayers that here right, the fought by her house, and she didn't you freak out, because is how these methods her and letting her. No, I know where you live, like I'm, not far away just talk that too, with you know, if there's anything I can share with us you know we have through that through Facebook. In all of the information it's out there. We are followed up on all of those leads

have interviewed a lot of witnesses, Have we interviewed those folks that are there on the face web pages page and and it's all part of the entire investigation that were putting together at this point not ready to call anybody at this point. A suspect bite it is certainly something is going to lend itself as well. Investigate this further? We need to take off This information in danger it and see how it relates and how it correlate with with the things that we know, once a restraining order. Yes, in mid December, has you up for that individuals we have doubts about the same time she disappeared. We have talked to him.

And again not ready to call anybody. I suspect what it said. How it relates and how correlate with with the things that we know what nobody doesn't leave me alone. Worry corrections here, I don't know that I would go as far as to say that she was targeted. But I you know again knowing what I know knowing where the investigators or at in the case It now I, have a concern in. As the sheriff and in a very large count me, I don't I don't. I don't think that there is a concern to our community, this point? What you're your tell you like? What is wrong, tell talk about what will happen. Get says there all situations

there's so much of it. It doesn't. Why not that how in those days bad days after she gets a bridge in order. She's killed. Understood as to do with it a lot more seriously. Looking entered the sphere. When he is, as far as I know, the only person who actually written Natalie Why would I would think that that would be obvious, as far as I had ever seen, everything about him scream is. There is enough of a lunatic to do so. I would I'd say if I had it, if I had to make a judgment, call right now I say: yeah, probably hey, watch the videos on the way to just as freaking out like he had videos on his facebook page labeled how to talk to pray, they talk to a predator? Why kind of crazy shit like that

how is he not more of a suspect backers? Was my initial reaction to all of it. Like. How is it because the curious thing, a mile wide this. Will I this fuck me out do because she called it he'd on the phone with me she called like the day when she called to tell me that he had violated the restraining order that day she called talk to me about that, told me over the phone she's only by ever go missing or turn out dad or something like tat it s shop. Line care provided we do and if anything happens to me it was. He did he's the only one crazy enough to do it three days later shoe nothing.

Do you know a man by the name of Heaven, Dhaka What do you know about- and I do not need here So I mean we have these groups Oh it's tat its head He's only in it, he killed his daughter for financial gain oh he he had drug debt. So you know these people were come. It is all tat saw and you know that quickly stirred fall apart and then went to Joey. No about joy, nothing, because no one, even though the exist at this point, and then you know we find this instagram profile its prey so you can't really- too much into an he has no facebook, but says even ass, the unregulated his speculations and rumours bite.

What do we know about Joyce, nothing, we can't. Even to this day, we still can't find any information about this kid. They live together. That's all I was able to hear it seems like everybody wants to be a detective ray. I think that goes back to what I said about. Human beings. We what I ve learned over. My short life is that we have a set of problems, sobbing skills and Most of us are human beings. We want to help you out we can. We just found out a nineteen year old girl who was murdered You know all we have all this information in evidence points to one person, so we want to go out and gather all the information we can't help catch the guy, but sometimes

a special social. So we take it a little bit too far. Now we without taking a consideration. We have family the grieving. We strangers pointing fingers at this person at this point. This person, you know even inside the family and that back it's a little scary. Now you dont know this, but the reason that I can reach out to you and the reason that I won't. I started talking to you and and in and having you kind of assist in some of these, these communities since, with some of these people, these players online was because of a man named Evan Dhaka. Do you know who that is This is where things are getting kind of interesting, so the

few days upon the groups before they kicked me out for asking for There are some people sources. I started seeing post about someone called the mailbag. I'm thinking This is I choose the male man, that's ominous angoniland, who the fuck is the mailman exactly star, like you know, I'm trying to figure out who the malware? Can I get added into another others, like fourteen people, aware, as I said, You now talking around and I find out of it so started, I reached out to him and you you can ask me about why I was working. We know, wives, so interested in this case and I'll psycho. You know I heard this up escort course scale. I like it was kind of coincidental and then

the first, your first response, I'm pretty sure, was Black- might be dead right, ok, well, why I dont understand and huge like well, he went after he went after TAT on the day. He announced Natalie's death on a post in one of the Facebook groups Ballinger left the common. Thank you. Everyone, please share to which I immediately replied. Mr Bollinger I'd like to talk with you about this. If you can, please message me at M day at sword in scale dot com- that's it. I didn't know any other comments. I didn't directly private message him. I just left that comment and one about my day. Tat never got back to me, but the male man, Evan Doc,

did. Can I ask how you have the stomach? Ask grieving father, who hasn't even had twenty four hours to mourn his daughter to contact you to be? on his show. Don't you think by not giving the family time to grieve you're spoiling them for your own personal benefit. I gotta tell you dude, Are you still love your show, but I've lost all respect for you and will be publicly speaking out against it. If you continue these awful tactics, ain't no podcast! that important. He then posts a screen shot of my comment, asking TED to email me, along with the following comment, just cause you lead, it doesn't mean I dont have proof of my head, I'm taking ok, I would journals, do like I mean, if I'm covering a story. If I know if I am a journalist and uncovering covering a story that is blowing up by the minute, of course,

want a yeah, I'm gonna be respectful, unlike hey, I'm very sorry for your loss hoping that we can talk some time and that's what you did I saw. I saw the common and I thought you know I saw you. I didn't see anything unprofessional, didn't you trying you attacker, harassed TED. The ironic part of this is that this man, whose scolding on respecting the grieving father had enjoyed in what one might call a little victim shaming of his own, comment is in regards to Sean Schwartz who Evan aka with his investigative mailman skills has ruled out as a suspect, completely just being real. She, a hundred percent, definitely lead calling him baby and seeing how much she loves him go back a year on his facebook you'll see her almost writing love letters to him to saying this stocking thing is incomplete. Accurate, to which some one else responds holy shit.

Actually victim blaming when the poor girl isn't even six feet under yet another another baby who are using from our group that another huge thing that we don't allow is make them saving it doesn't matter it doesn't matter what she did. She not here. The defenders of and I never got behind the whole. She led him. Aren't you would be nice person that meeting? friend and took it too far at what I think thank you breathing misguided kind of glued out of proportion and dinner. Is that even local news was going Your turn to drag it an interview, so I don't understand, whether the hatred came from all of a sudden strong with this one. It seems like he was offended by the fact that he was no longer the centre of attention in the story right and you can't I mean who's your part of community at this point,

you're in all this my group's you're, trying to find out information just the way everyone else's trains and find information you're, a local guys. So I mean yeah. Of course you know you're able to deal but more involved in hands on now give people, Basically, I would consider the town rumours by I mean when you What you gonna do this to the news people. You know how you gonna go to your local abc, stationing, fuck, you guys for asking for asking a question. You know you can't you can't be like that. I don't. I was at a loss for words when he sat all listen you're. He may he made you out to be a bad guy, I'm just like you and what you're talking about. Did you even take the time? to reach out and be hey man? I don't think that was a good idea. Maybe you could have done it. This way, no end

It was just like what his person? so I'm gonna pack, your name and it should have been that way, he was in our group early on even the old man in Colorado. You know that I'm sure he. Three ally, foundering very, very, very lucky posted I believe apartments like he knew where she lived. With our, I neither correct that he didn't actually post your apartment. He gave everybody. The prostrate, perversely live and then he before we kicked him. He went in the crowd here taking photos, We voted on from our group, so he said he's Life, detective area, Postman, slash moment. Yeah, that's great. What about you? So you said that you know what he did to making. You can explain that you what cares. Admin early on Kara was also one of the original Edmunds we'll get into her in just a minute.

In about a week later something happened. Then I don't know exactly what happened between the two of them, but he decided to leave and the active agents, Facebook, and then he sent me a message and said that people were after him said who and why it he said, but you her because he, doc you or something. If I admit I can go back and look at my messages from here, but something about he figure, information or something. And thirdly, you told him that you were in a post, Havre, Idle ever or something along those lines. Now I just in post. Has it is too? people already daddy posted a picture of my house and three the post hers What is wrong with people having Daca, who also goes by the name inflated penguins, will later write a Facebook post set guys I'm still here. I had to deactivate my account for safety reasons may have to do it again. Really a pretty nice guy and

call names, but if any one thinks my silence means I was somehow involved you're a fuckin moron and you need to find a new hobby because you suck at this just because you can't find new clues. I promise they are out. There doesn't mean you should get bored and attack people dont attack me simply because I'm better at this, then, you are it's funny, how many people in this story engage in pretty awful behaviour and then play victim? Evan Acta is just one of those examples, a much more stream example, one of the original moderators of the original Natalie Ballinger Group You should get bored and attack people dont attack Aren't you the guy that Evans not to talk to her. Yet now. This is what his ashes it. Aren't you, the one that harassed Evan Dhaka, he said You doctor

what he did say that can you tell me you were going to dock them or that you did doctrine or something doc in this world, but here's the thing as he says they have this rule in their group awry. I can get you booted a rule. That was the reason that ever got booted, Don't go real life, though we just have a kind of a hard look at that when you crossover in real life boundaries on the go about how to Facebook, when it goes from you being an armchair detective, as they call us to involving yourself and it's hurting yourself into a case. This problem is first and foremost. Second, we don't want to come back on the group. You know we did what we want to discuss. We don't want q cause problems or make, who are you for anybody, so we just really to like. We know that there is going to be people that call family members are met, family members or reach out to the police. We can't stop it.

Just don't want it coming back in the group as a whole, I know it sounds stupid thing saying it sounds stupid, but there's a boundary is that can't be crossing. Sometimes people take things too far. So is it just sort of like an interesting hobby to just can't get involved in this and start to, accurate about what might have happened. I hate. That word hobby, because somebody I for one, am I mean I'm gonna to a hundred percent. Is it's not it's not like? I'm an ambulance, chaser. Maybe I don't know like that. Weren't hobby of can somebody died, but at the same time personally, and I know a lot of our group members like to follow these case of all the way through to the answer to a trial, to ascend the thing to do that. The thing we do want to see an end enclosure, further family members, hordes of people, mostly female housewives,

standing outside the court house during the key the Anthony trial it the Nancy Grace Phenomenon and hey, whom I kidding, I know all bout. It I mean- and maybe I don't know I don't know what he. What would you call me that went from reading true crammed books, their entire lives are now being in Facebook. It's like times are different it's kind of an interesting subject, talk about, because, at least with this case, This case is very very strange because it was very, very public. And there is a lot of people speculating about it online this this thing of not going where life is interesting because it didn't really work in this case it seems like there were family members that were in these groups, and there was direct sort of like back and forth with some of the members of the group and the family. Members and that we so what Somebody from my family will join? Sometimes they sat quietly and they don't

everything we don't know that at Santa right. Even this case a few of the family members that we know now don't use the name that what even point us to being a family member. But often times I can't hold their tongue, for they say something. This was my daughter for my step, daughter of my covered. And then we tell them hey we kind of have it's not a rule, but we haven't seen where, like if your family, your friend in your in here you got understand you probably got a few things you don't like? We tell them at that point, you can stay where you can go. But we do make it clear that if they stay that you know gonna be any her. I think of the family in our group, of course, is not the case in other groups. Break some less savory people do go real life in Spain, tat, color ways: I've seen

admin from other groups go on the fathers page accused of being the murderer. I've seen people from the other groups attacking the family members saying that the father of responsible for this I've seen then starting a go. Find me for Sean, a fundraiser for Sean, responsible for stocking Natalie before her death. There were actually several fun razors for Sean. The most notable is one called the castle a lady that I had previously seen in the justice or Natalie group. She apparently had grown up with John when the highest, what happened in Nebraska. I believe Do you like posted this go, find me think This place called the castle. And when I read into it, I don't really understand. I very guys trying you create, like a mental health, was still

I don't understand the goal here. Just seemed like a lot of rambling on about what you do I wanted to do a fundraiser for Sean Schwartz called the castle. Has it corruption that reads: life is hard. These are good days bad days and in betweens, but one of the things that makes it all worth. It is the people you share it with this campaign, founded on a dream, a dream that has lived in the mind of a man who puts others first, who, in the midst of chaos, worries for others and not himself. The castle is poor. People and, with your help, one man's dream can become a reality and serve as a safe haven for those who find themselves lost in the rubble. This fund is intended to literally build the foundation of a few sure for lost souls. Everyone deserves a chance to be home, help that a reality no donation is too big, are too small, and if you can't donate

interested in finding other ways to help? Please message or share the link to spread the word. The post was promoted on. Another group called chance for Sean, which was a splinter group with some of the original admins that had some differences of opinion they, had somehow ruled out Sean completely as a suspect in their own minds and when above and beyond, to try to actually help him, but it's of doing so, which would have entailed. A seriously mentally ill man, some actual psychological. Or psychiatric help. They decided to buy to his delusional dream and even him into a hero to me, our now, maybe I'm just being a deck, but it sounds a whole lot like a few people trying to help Sean money off of someone else losing their life, someone the heap victimize losing their lives, and this Hocker gonna make money off of it that

itself. Pisses me off a place for home, the people to be a place that provide shelter for people who need it? That's a great thing that. That is a great idea, except for we have those there. The cold homeless, shelter one of the people running this go fuck me and also an admin of the chance for Sean Group was care. MIA on that She posted Sean called me tonight. He said them in the go find me will go towards his castle dream. He told me why it is important too. In Colorado. It is for anybody to use blankets in public after eleven p M, he found land, ten acres that he can for ten thousand dollars and his plan is to make it a safe haven for the homeless, This same person, Kara MIA would later shut down the group explaining the following. I'm writing this post to explain why I stepped down as that.

I was only made one last night and had no clue What's going on, I figured candid stepping way was another person to fail Sean boy was, I wrong. My main focus is and always will be finding justice for Natalie. I joined Sean's chance as a member to advocate for something that was being done to one with disabilities. The day she was arrested, a group of us had been working diligently to get shot into a safe place. Every solution we gave him. He had an excuse as to why it wouldn't work. He insisted he needed to go to South Dakota and all he needed was a hatchet. A couple of us. That statement odd that evening he became erratic and ended up going into. It Seventy two hours sake hold where he assaulted an officer. Everyone should know this part. Well, since his release he's been offered numerous opportunities,

always has an excuse. There are homeless shelters, he could have gone to in multiple cities, but he said because of all the bullying he wasn't safe. He needed to protect the people police and the wrong doings he needed to do this for some one and that for that person he called me daily, while in the sack unit over the last week- and I did notice a completely different Sean than what I had witnessed before going in, he was under medication, but he seems cos but very agitated. When I mentioned, how could he sounded yesterday I invited him to this group because he seemed in good spirits and I thought it would be good for him to see support what I didn't know was. He had sent some of the nastiest messages to Candice and that to me is unacceptable. It has made me completely changed my mind about em, supporting him and, speaking to him again, I see nothing wrong with what canvassed wrote. She like myself, has been advocate

strong for Sean, with the assumption that he is being bullied behind the case, but what I saw, those messages is complete unacceptable. It is made me realize that I am putting a man who, verbally assassinate people, I can only imagine what poor Natalie had gone through for stepping away from their friendship. I'm going to share these private messages, but as of now my only focus is justice for- ITALY, I sent Sean a message telling him. He needs to find a pay for his go fun me and let me signing account over to him I don't hear anything over the next seventy two hours. I will be refunding all donations. That will also give people time to private message me if you want your donation refunded,

I don't judge anyone for wanting to still stand up for Sean, but I have seen first hand that he doesn't want help. The help that has been offered has been generous and plentiful, and none of it is good enough. It's always. I need someone by my side. So speaking for myself and Don Nix, we will stay here quietly supporters, because we still believe he is innocent of what the public court of opinion has harassed him for, but as far as advocating are helping him in any way. After the messages we saw sent to his personal friend can this last evening. I agree with what canvasses told them he does need help and I hope he gets it. She goes on the post several of Sean's messages where he does actually verbally berate, this poor woman, telling her that she can understand how shitty he feel for her wasting her resources on him and tell go. Fuck yourself several times he tells her to suck a fat cock and calls her back stabbing guy

Dan Conte. He actually even goes as far as to blame her for his attempted suicide, but surprising eyes. After all, this is a very seriously mentally ill homeless. Man not see, I didn't know you, I thought you know like all work, Create a facility to you no help, people like for ten thousand, I know them out. Side. It realised that without plot of land for I mean you're in Colorado. Like you know, use have homeless, roaming, Free Unapplauded like Worthington, asleep, it's warm so yeah. I can comprehend that one properly petty somebody go from. You know like the curiosity in this. Case to fully supporting and even creating a fundraiser further guy that stocked a girl, that's now dead.

I can answer that honestly wish. I could answer that a the thing that makes me the most aggravated always forget everything happened to me forget everything that happened in the group but please remember that this man, this growth, Man stopped a seventeen and nineteen year old girl for two years? and continued after her death. To do so and you're gonna go and support him. You're gonna go crazy! find me for him. You're gonna give him money to come to your house to stay you're going to give him money for an uber you're, going to give him a train ticket to get out of car at like compassion. Trust me are you? would give the shirt off my back to somebody, but never to somebody that stocking a teenage girl. Never very weird.

there seems you ve been early on. Some sort of split division conflict. Can you tell me how that came to be so this other admin within our group. I would say this was the second or third aid that the group of Open and she she was a girl she had sent a message to me mean some: of our other admin to be so this other admin within our group. I would say this was the same. Day she was in the group, Like I said early morning I was sleeping shoe, antagonizing people in the group. Anybody that thought that shark could have done anything. She was telling them that they were wrong pretty much saving them for preparing

opinion other than hers. The other admin tells Kara to cut it out that you and be shaming people well cared isn't like that So they get into an argument and the admin boots from the group Misty then sub to an email asking why she was banned. Misty tells her and shows or a screenshot well, Karen, doesn't like that either she is If I could say the words that she said without wanting to vomit, I would but she attacked with Nasty forwards and then I am. Ignore there. I was done with the conversation I know that Some of the people that were running these groups were very, very caddy she'd. I know that I know that I shall put my name on his facebook, because

Basically, I was I was trying to get him help. He he needed help, and see what one person out there trying to him. Mental Health advocate and that's what he had been screaming about on Facebook. I just need someone to advocate for me. I can't think I can't think properly, and that was a big thing about when Mean- and him was, you know a one- I have these questions coming out in my stocks. Don't work right! I need someone who can help me and especially if it was him, you know who would have helped to get a lawyer. You know if he would have gone into interrogation. He would have been a woman. Brandon Dashi situation, just now he's innocent. There would have been exactly

I'm kidding these folks like that's, so it just seemed really embarrassments. Try to give you know: the help him funding advocate and it seems like impossible now tell no one wanted to help in any way. I called because of the case and that It's me off. It made me sad, so you know I I would give him information. Like hey. Did you know you know they announced it was her body. Do you know anything about this joy, Marina? It wasn't like. I was like oh, this is what's going on as it was just like. Hey this word hearing, you know anything about it. Just doing My job investigating this as just a stranger, and he put my name on his facebook and everyone stars string shouting imposed in this group sounds like YO, like I wouldn't sitting there, giving him information like I talked to the guy Everyone just breakdown all you're, not supposed to go real life and Says who,

didn't know you ruined. My life lie so yeah what are you my mom thanks? So after that yeah it was just back and forth women just accusing each other a basin mad and because I agree with you know, someone else's theory. Oh what that person's, getting the boot that person's getting blue so there's a certain Maud name, Cora media. Have you heard of hurting Think about her so I've heard of- and I think she was a part of the group that is blocked me and made me But I know that I have seen her post and the original justice for Natalie page, and then I am pretty sure that she was budding heads with the moderators in that group and what made her own group and adjusts became a ship parking best about each of the groups.

And I was like, I know I'm glad- I'm not a part of this. It was no longer about Natalie at all. I was just let's shit talk about. Other group about this murder that we all got interested in at the same time. Right then she formed her own group like that minute. She formed her own group. She made up in her group that she was from our group for no reason sent creature, of our conversation but cropped out the part or she called me anything but that point time she made her mission to make my life if you think what you ve heard so far sounds stupid. Well, you're, absolutely right, it is but this is the part of the story. Where we go from stupid to date? Firstly, stupid behaviour, border lining on criminal. I would say I probably her. Five hundred private messages in my inbox from her,

Do you know for a fact that he found My husband employer, She found a brother in law and said that she was going to call my brother about job, and it keeps saying that through another advent of mine- and I had been said, her brother, what doesn't have a job? He had a stroke We call them a liar. She told another friend of mine there I could take a bullet through the head and nobody would even care subsequent days there were three attempts to get into my facebook there the page and enter a facebook page, but went up called ugly babies, events to grant or Facebook with my granddaughter. Picture of the cover photo in the last one of on Sunday I woke up to, messages on my personal phone her and then tax incentive on my business out from us

no seven, which was really weird and the text messages from her said I mean it was a lot, but it was pretty much. You have forty five minutes. I take your group down or I'm going to ask you I said you're blackmailing me: you said no, I'm going to come after you, I'm going to come after your family, I'm going to come after your business is and at that point I have to make a hard decision dorky going forward and let us proceed her asked me or do I my family. I told the other elements. I'm sorry guys. I've got it. My family and I single here we removed my group one by one day, the thirty five hundred members Sunday. I was Ass. I was gone like I didn't want talked anybody. I was done. My other elements decided after they group, I wasn't in it

and then I woke up one day more into more tax messages. Saying you put the gun. Back up, came on and sheep, Look my criminal history, which It is what it is. I mean I can sit here and explain the two million people, MR did take time to explain it to me and I dont know further aggravate the way her privacy was being exploited like this, but after standing the story. It's pretty clear that all the charges twelve years ago stemmed from Anna violent domestic dispute and, to be honest to me, It doesn't sound like she deserved much of the blame. This law anybody's business She posted it everywhere: including my address. My business address. My phone number, I mean I'm getting old, motion against what is she anyway, I mean everything that you said you weren't gonna, do good demands. I had to go in

hide my business is last Monday this week, because her I've lost friends because of her own, at that point on Monday. Might other events even said he, but This had are, let's just make upon, then tell everybody. This is who you are, and this is why past. Even if they don't like it, they don't have the same group, let's just let her when Peter to the punch and out yourself- and so Monday night: that's what we do. We put a post up, and I said if you have any questions, let me hear you go, but I would say it was four hundred some com account that posted everybody said we care about that. We care about Natalie. I mean it. This is. I mean that it may not re wrong is itself the craziest thing. I've ever heard in your life, it seems Crazy, attracts crazy and there's a lot of it. In this case. I

Do not call me crazy, but there are some there's some crazy behaviour here I mean that's all out of time that this person has on their hands to devote themselves to this campaign of of hate trying to take someone down offer what offer? What for for a facebook group thinks that group? Yes faced a group, it's kind of crazy, it's kind of insane right anything I mean the things that she has done: a criminal the criminal. The threatening people she threatened, her own admin said that I have bullets with your name on it ass. She used there and, at the same mind you this phone number. That was messaging me. On Sunday morning there were a number of fellow seven area code which is like for a California happens. Listen to her, Admin on Thursday from TAT saved number

so you could take three board to the head or, or I have three bored with your family's came on it and now she's, crying that she didn't do somebody setting her up. Who would that be exactly? Actually, why would anybody want to set her up like to doing it You yourself, I tried to tell Kara MIA and centre private mess. To which she responded to almost immediately. I tried to get her to talk to me. Explaining over and over that I just wanted to hear her side of the story. She kept asking me questions, though questions about Mr Evans about the other group about whether I knew what they were saying about her? She told me that they lack mailed her and that she has young by racial kids who were threatened. She also said Aren't you the guy who harassed Evan Dhaka? He said you dachstein Recession became increasingly more and more frustrating.

It sounded like she was just trying to milk me for information and that she was never going to agree to an interview and then, after quite a while of this, I suddenly get up private message from some one? I've never spoken to warning me about Kara and claiming that she was a fraud. Initially I thought I was being catfish. I thought Kara was messaging me from a separate alt account trying to get information about what I wanted her to say about. What angle I was taking with this interview that I wanted her to be on. So I said to her: I find a cure Is that no one knows. I have contacted you yet. While I ve been speaking. Another account has reached out to tell me not to talk to you. Anything to say about that? She claims it's not her and it turns out it wasn't. It was actually someone else warning me about care. Which can only mean one thing that while was trying to get her to beyond the interview. Kara was going,

To a public forum somewhere and posting that I was Tryin interviewer, which begs the question- why exactly with someone do that I'm exe? and who I was I've explained why I want to talk to her yet she's reluctant aloof. Mr Evans, however, agree doing our view on the spot, but that doesn't prove anything doesn't care. Of course, clear to me that she was actually the victim. She said Your entire Natalie group has turned into a hate, Kara Group, even saying I blackmailed misty, to delete her group, I just said I was gonna release info that someone texted me, so she can feel the same fear. I'm feeling I have Yankee. And when someone draws a noose around my by racial kids, neck and says, kill this end. Child who belongs to Kara, then four days ago, pictures of my grooming Van business, which had my phone number and

get a phone call that night saying we're. Gonna burn your house down with your end family in it look at the thought over the child, but David. That came out of course she bribery for it. You have a virus or child chief. I made an advisory for grandchild. For anybody to think TAT. I would do anything so horrific is everybody that only those I would never did you ever like come of anything and everybody oftener carried it to herself because Cares Facebook, Kate is completely locked down in order to get a photo. You would have to be out her friends list, so I mean and also in the photo itself was not smart enough and she left the top url bar open and said searching carers, photos and edit tool was left open so

how many that's going to do that send it out to people which nobody ever thought from anybody, but Kara how are they gonna get into her photos to do that, and then, as far as the phone call goes, I specifically told her. Will you give me the case report number that you filed with the priest ad call them and talk to them, because I didn't kill anybody and she couldn't Give anybody any sort of proof but she called any sort of proof that that actually happen. You see what I'm going with us. It was no longer about Natalie at all. It was just let's shithead, about that other group about this murder that we all got interested in. At the same time right it was a That's what I don't understand. I mean again your call yourself into a criminal investigation. A murder of someone- you don't even know. I don't. Many of you even

it's. You just go out and you know send some flowers or you know anything for the family just say I'm sorry for your loss. Now it was immediately became I'm an arm chair, detective. And I'm right, you're wrong. It's all about ego. Never felt like it was about a murderer investigation. Just who was right. Who is wrong on Monday for this. I'm gonna get hired by the police department, as I saw this case then people realise that is not how it works that Exactly dont, think? It's really fucking sad that this kid Has become less. About Natalie murder, in fact nodded. About Matt, Natalie, smarter and complete, Only about the craziness of fees.

Web sluice and people who think that online detectives. Trying to solve it, based On nothing more than what they can find online. Absolutely I mean you know I thought you know we're all coming together, because we have this poor girl whose until she was missing, found dead and even, I believe, a sheriff when he did his fur? press conference spoke about just how I will I took it s like you know social media affecting us negatively helping our investigation is law speculation up there and it it just leered off from trying to find out who put this poor girl too. I know how to explain it right, just injustices,

show this without being yeah exactly That's right, make me feel so terrible about it. But no one could just back in. Let please do there in just keep an eye on information, This is what I am hearing dropping article no just became. We're gonna die this thing down to the family I'm sorry, if I remember right there, using the uncle I've. Nowhere recently I am pretty sure that day that they actually got their guy. They, going around saying that there was TAT brother who killed her and then people out there who are like this. Never gonna get soft co

changed in an instant, so despite the hours hours, speculation wasted time online, got it wrong, Cynthia uncle it wasn't the father, it was boyfriend where the x a friend It wasn't Sean demand, everyone, MR it was not she wasn't alone, almost two months ago by after

initial police press conference in that time, countless people, who seemingly have said personality disorders have attacked each other online claim. I know, more than you, based on loosely tied together, fragments of pieces of information, in fact we were finalizing this episode. Someone from our patriarch did about it on the Natalie Ballinger case discussion group. It took seconds for some of these people to start to personally attack me making false claims and stating them, as fact it just goes to show what human behavior is act. We like during the course of the investigation police. Obtained a warrant for NATO phone records. Eighteen provided the transcript which show

that naturally had either sent a received. Approximately one hundred and eleven texts to from an unknown phone number the mess. Is to, and from began approximately at ten fifty eight a m on December, twenty Eightth, two thousand seventeen, the view day she went missing the very last text. With this phone number, occurred between one to three hours before she went completely. Silent disappears be the last conversation. Natalie had nobody none of her friends or family knew of this phone number police obtained, warned and found the number belonged to a Michel Lopez facebooks, of the cell phone number tracked police. Joseph Lopez, a department of motor vehicle database search, showed Joseph Michael Lopez born

on June Sixth, ninety ninety five and residing in Denver Colorado They located his address. Drove to his residence and observed a male that appeared to be Joseph. From a deity photo they had seen taking action on the curb this man worked at dawn, windows, pizza and his work, I'm card showed that he had missed work, from December 28th through the second of January, calling and sick on several days a gps analysis of his phone number indicated that he was within the area of Natalie Bowling's residents around time of her disappearance. The following is from the Adams County arrest report a Joseph Michael Lopez, Joseph Lopez, confirm to us during the interview that he had been in contact with the female

their identity as Natalie Ballinger, the email and text message. Joseph Lopez said some after Christmas, two thousand seventeen he was at his residence. Looking through the women seeking men category on Craigslist, you told us that he said several messages to people when he saw an unusual posts titled something to the effective. I want but a hit on myself. He said he received. Added to the message and soon was talking to him. No female by email, Joseph Lopez said district, some time between two o clock and three o clock in the morning. On December, twenty eight two thousand eighteen just of local said later. That morning they exchanged cell phone numbers and they began texting each other. Just have Lopez, told us here struggled with depression and suicide attempts in the past. He said because of this, he was using big persona of a hitman that he had come. It himself just look has said. We're talking too Ballinger using this

big persona to give him the strength to convince Natalie Ballinger that he was an actual hit man and that was willing to help her commit suicide, Joseph Lopez in detail about an app on his cell phone called amino battle. I assume that create these fantasy persona is, and then they use and gaming exchanges on the air Joseph Lopez said he only has twelve fantasy persona on the sap, including one that he created and named a kind. He said the backstory for his kind persona is that he's very charismatic and can more people in, but then he turned psycho any strikes. Joseph Lopez said created this acai persona in the heart John Rock Killer, while using Priscilla. He to have a text conversation with her. To meet her and kill or assist her and suicide Joseph Lopez then started telling us about his senior year at atoms city high school. It was,

through a rough time in his life, he told us when he left class. He left journal with all his personal writings behind Joseph That said, his teacher found his journal and he read it, saw he had been writing stories about kidnapping people, torturing them and executing them. Just look has said of having to go talk to the school counselor about it. Just of locusts, back on track and started talking to us about the text. Conversation again during the conversation, Natalie Ballinger eventually gave him her dress and had come to pick her up Joseph Lope has also said they were discussing how she wanted to be shot and killed and that she wanted it to happen quickly. Just Lopez also said that Natalie Ballinger told him that you to get on her knees and be executed from behind, because she did not want to see the gun. Joseph Lopez told us. Natalie Ballinger asked him how much it would cost him to kill her, and he just told her from hundreds. Thousands, it just depends just

Look here said also. Sometimes he could trade for something of value in exchange for payment of his head man, services, ITALY Ballinger asked Joseph Lopez. If you had a gun, you can use- and he said, He didn't of Lopez, said Natalie Ballinger offered to bring her gun from the apartment and let him using Natalie, both said he could keep the gun and sell it If you wanted to what's Joseph, has got her dress and drove his white Nissan Altima PIG Natalie Ballinger up Joseph said. He arrived at her apartment building once in the car. He said they continue, talk about how her death would happen. Joseph Lopez said that We use it. Natalie Ballinger said he could keep the gun. We try to convince her that it was a bad idea. She shouldn't do it you're driving around for a while Joseph Lopez said they stopped at a few places where you help her commit suicide. He said, we Ballinger did not like any of those places, so they eventually drove back to her house and

her off at a gas station, Joseph Lopez said this was, last time he saw her her had any contact at this point they take a break he gets a snack and drink, interrogators go back into the room after Joseph, has had a mountain do in some cookies and they talking about this amino up again the conversation than shifts to the fact that the police have already obtained Josephs GPS records. I point he suddenly remembers that he was in the area where Natalie died and police advise him that he has to be a hundred percent truthful. Because they know where he was taken other break? Joseph goes out to have a smoke. This mountain do, and at this point Joseph Lopez. Stay He was in the area he drove down the dirt road to the cul de SAC were Natalie. Ballinger was found in part. This car Natalie had told him to stop. He said he was. Trying to talk her out of killing yourself

but she was set on doing it at all. Waste least that she was saying she needed to get away from her boyfriend because he was bad for her and nothing in a change for the better. Until she left him, he says she, got upset and started telling him that she loved her boyfriend and did not want to leave him or hurt him told police that now got out of the car and walked over to some trees squatted down he said she pulled the semi automatic pistol out of a person held it to her left Temple Joseph says, He tried to talk her out of it and even down next door. He says was adamant about wanting to die, we could grabbed the gun from her she shot herself in the left, Temple causing or to fall backwards against the tree Joseph panicked and did not know what to do so your purse and the gun and got back into the car the point at which police and form this

genius that they know what they're doing that she did not place the gun to her temple to commit suicide Lucky said because, but six show that the gun was between one two three feet away from her when she died so trigger was pulled by someone else at this point such changes. His story again he said Natalie Ballinger knelt down on the ground and that the two of them prayed together. The gun with both his hands you said he was shaking, so he decided to turn his head to the right away from Natalie closed his eyes, Joseph hired a single round from the gun striking Natalie in the head. Then he panicked grabbed the purse and the gun and drove back to his house. You never told his fiancee Anybody else what occurred that day and he was charged

with first degree murder. In the end, nobody could have how this case was going to unfold who the perpetrator actually was and nobody Not all the kings horses were all the kings. Men an army of online web sleuths or a mailman from Colorado could have solved this case. That's what law in force and the justice system are for. Hey what happened? So are you after

You know we were in contact detective reached out to me. Information about the interview that I have done with John, so yesterday, I obviously, stop synonyms and we just got to talking. You know he explained that shows no way involved. By, We talk a little bit about the social media aspect of things and how it disrupted the case He told me that people from the distort Natalie Group in calling humanist partner demanding information. They were involved in the investigation Not only that he told me, that someone that group actually went to the arrangement for the suspect and took pictures inside the court room and posted them inside that group, well, which sound absent

the absurd honey is also a content of court. Exactly here, so they're looking into that right now to find the person who did that, but there was There were a couple other things that were interested. You got a call from the hospital apparent A lunch had formed and thrown Sean off the bridge. What yeah. You got a call from shown in the hospital. And a group of people think still involved in this and I'm off the bridge holy shit, a faint. I mean this is what this whole This is what this whole case in the Bin An absolute shift, your hat How do you do this to a person we have the suspects been named, the suspects been arrested and arraigned. Why you?

after an innocent person at this boy- oh my god,. So- and I noticed I can find shown on Facebook anymore, famished. Did he say also because a voice did he say If he's ok,. Is it he's alive. As far as I know, he's he'll be ok, but I mean that It is that that it is an relaxing. The detective left me West was there if we think that this is all crazy now it's how to get a whole lot crazier. Once all the details get released,

I guess that's it your regular lives. This has been insane ride, special thanks to our guests, Griffith. Ryan Williams, Mr Evans, TIM Peace, The amazing and anonymous Colorado detective and the whole certain scale. Staff who work tirelessly to put this to partner together, for everybody who just joined us on patriotic welcome make yourselves at home, and thank you to everyone else. Enjoy. Trolling me on the internet, have fine see their and station.

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