Sword and scale contains adult themes and violence, and is not intended for all audiences listeners, aggression is advised should have been a clinics and argued that really make that we looked at attackers may beat me up. They beat him up. Majorana. Careless, sorry, sorry, welcome season five episode, one twenty five of sword, scale I showed that reveals that the worst monsters are real.

well, if you've been pondering around social media, you'll know that actually on a little bit of a journey right. Now, I'm going all over the United States and meeting with a lot of fans from different cities across the. U S, it's kind of a new lifestyle and it has absolutely amazing! Meeting! So many of you, at the time this recording comes out. I will be back in Atlanta for a little while, although we already had our Atlanta meet up sorry, if you missed it and funny enough, this story takes place right around this area. I'm going to be staying in now. Complete accident we're actually not that organized. But if you. It in coming out to a meet up and talk. About all these cases and meeting a lot of murder aficionados such as yourself definitely check out our Facebook and if you're on Patreon will also be announcing dates on there too, I think

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spare the rod, spoil the child We are all familiar with, but can be intuitive to our nature. We, Our children to have everything we never had and more it's aspire to bring their kids up without hardship wanting for nothing We try to teach them responsibility and a good work ethic. They grow into mature adults. Sometimes, however, the other side of human nature takes a hold. Mastering greed and entitlement no Lineal's, are often viewed as entitled. Specially those born after the turn of the century. The so generation Z. There are each to their devices and arguably Some of them seem to have lost many interpersonal skills in reality, though, there first generation of kids with

agilezen, extreme pressure of being successful? In an age where traditional american dreams, like homeownership, a good job and marriage, aren't quite as easy to attain as they used to be there. Are so constantly connected in a world of perpetual, vitriol and political divisiveness on platforms like twitter and Facebook are just one of the factors that make easy for this generation to slip into loneliness, depression and panic. Attacks societal pressures are real a whole generation plagued by mass shootings illness and suicide. Chris and his brother Cameron had been in Gwinnett County detention Center for.

For a year by the time they took a plea, deal admitting guilt and throwing themselves on the mercy of the court. Chris speaks to the County, superior court Judge Ronnie Bachellor, trying to explain himself and ask for leniency. First of all, like so Paula gys turn by Portland. So the young man, that everybody here is coming to talk about flowers arrested, I honestly that, don't find my life after graduating, high school increase in drug use to the point. No, where it became not something that I felt and I need it to have to come through my days, but his Something that tendered mean my best Chris, was having a. Time with life you

West Virginia University and his football scholarship after only a year. Switching to Valdosta state before running out of money and having too few credits to graduate he back home with his parents and tried to finish college at Georgia State, but ultimately quit that too, it's already been pointed out that you know was removed from the air force this summer test I was unable to obtain My job back at Averitt express the same thing. He couldn't get a job You also wrecked his car and he had been drinking and taking xanax, but the office did not arrest. Him prior to coming so the net detention center. I will see admit that I have a problem with drugs and alcohol drink incarceration? He found a booklet. Narcotics anonymous with a questionnaire. Am I an addict

thirty three questions at the beginning, determine whether or not going to add it. Do you use, drugs or alcohol in the morning before you go to sleep. Yes, have you ever selling drugs or stolen get drugs. Yes have you ever lied to obtain drugs. Prescription drugs, yes I've done all those things. Some of the other question. From the pamphlet included feel it is impossible for you to live without drugs Is your drug use making life at home unhappy? Do you ever question your own sanity and- you ever use drugs because of emotional pain or stress, impact man in a aa and that Addison automatics is that and an added will change their behaviors to meet their goals, while attic will change their goals to meet their behaviors and

Quite frankly, that's what I have been doing for the last four years, something was Feynman Ravine a no brainer give up the drugs it's easy to say, but it is a lot harder to do. An action apparently been getting deeper into drug use for years, unbeknownst to his parents and his clothes as brothers are. He would enter use camera into drug use too. He confessed this judge in an attempt to convince him that he he changed after deciding, okay Now I have a opportunity to, not only you know, deal weights bad habits? to take it upon myself to use opportunity in this time away from no vessel, assist to try to better myself and that's when I started going to AA,

and then, and doing the drug relapse prevention program and from that alarm so much about my disease of addiction And today I'm proud to say that I have fourteen months over, Chris blamed his struggles on his avid drug use, causing him to be someone different than who he really was the drugs made him do it that if you were sober. He We're done those things now that he was sober claim to be a changed man, the man that you hear all these people talking about that's Chris. Silver the facts person described by Miss Hindi in the fat from this taste. That's me and my absolute worse, the judge. He was on the right path and I can tell you The most important thing to me today is: sobriety, because, without that

I don't have the forgiveness of my family. I don't have anybody coming to. Visit me. The testified form New York, you sanity. It's requirement now sort of for me to stay sober and some need to continue to grow. And and Ameda later on society and big the person I set out to be when asked Thomas four years ago and my redeemable probably so he closes, Lee from mercy with one last apology to his parents and his brother you know once again I apologize to everybody in here. Specifically, my parents and my brother for inside and then then that hi problems. Trusting them enough to be able to Help me through that and being the same.

Selecting know what I was going through apologize to my brother, so introducing him to drugs not being a good influence on him and not living up to the respect that He had me in an honor that he had given me as his best friend for fell on both of them I'm deeply sorry, and I hope they forgive me immediately. Low increases statement, his brother Cameron, the judge, also with Hopes of having their sentence be as short as possible. I want to say first foremost that an extremely regretful cool Ann just overall sorry beyond explanation. Situation Sorry that all this had to happen that my family had to be broken up for this

but I'm I'm sorry that I put me in my brother and position where we're going to be forced to be away from those who love us. And the ones that we love for an experience an extended period of time, depending on you to follow and his older brother's footsteps following into bad behavior, sometimes he wouldn't come home or he would a girl over when he wasn't supposed to this behavior is being the theft of cash from his father's dresser and, of course, join his brother Chris and uh. Drug use, still, he tried to against the judge that he had seen the error of his ways by recognizing what get lost During my time that state internet County detention, center fighting this case. I spent two birthdays in here. I've had

One visit a week, which is at least sixty visits with Mark it's one on one. That's over just a day two days, spent talking to one another and I realize How much I love them And I realized how they love me me And my brother are not the same people that we were. We came here power she left We changed so much for the better we've grown so much for the better. Today's my birthday, like everybody, said and I want to be able to go home have faith that God. Is going to work through you just passed in he's going to move on your heart,

to be lean. Mercy so that Both me and my brother, here show you Not only are we redeemable Put that were deemed sympathetic, as the brothers seemed while they made their statements, judge batch was aware of what these two were capable of they seem to be different people now and claim the of drugs cause them to do what they did. What they did was really really quite bad. The brothers were arrested on September eighth, two thousand and fifteen red handed inside the home, where they attempted to murder two people, one of the victims with able to call nine hundred and eleven during the attack. I'm gonna take my husband he's made it to the garage and just trying to blow the horn to get on day with attention, and I was able to get

the phone and call you quickly very quickly, early Saturday morning, before eight hundred, am Yvonne Ervin and her husband Zach are doing what most people do on the weekend, sleeping in awoke to a nightmare of two men attacking them in their bed. Those men were Chris and Cameron. Crazy horse is in the garage. To get away from it wouldn't answer to get attention to house book before they strangle me and beat me. Mother to wake by the brothers who, in ten kill them any means necessary using from the home to try to x, fixie, eight them. Why this didn't work as well or as fast as they hoped. They tried strangle them with their bare hands.

Choking the life out of them proved too difficult as well. So the paragraph- plastic bags from the kitchen and rap I'm around their heads, but the struggle. Even that wasn't going to work eventually. They resorted, beating them with the butt of a twelve gauge shotgun we have a shot gun out of his role in the house, and I came by my peers from because someone may have taken it and they have a shot gun. I don't know shooting on our lease. Please hurry nearly passed out when wrapped in a plastic bag, and with several blows to the head with a shotgun she was bloody and her eyes were beginning to swell shut. Zach, however, was able to fight them, and run downstairs in an attempt to get help destroy the brothers and leaving of an alone long enough to call nine hundred and eleven

I want someone out as quickly as possible. Please call me: are you in your room? Yes, I am, but I don't know if they're gonna find me an that was his bedroom. She knew they were armed with at least a shotgun and there her husband between panic, breaths. She begged police to arrive quickly afraid for her and her husband's lives Did you see your husband now ma'am? Oh, I know I know if he's in the garage and he was claiming he was trying to blow the horn just get attention to hopefully on neighbors. Ok, please please hurry, please there on there way ma'am. I need to talk to you like your door, okay. I will

packers away. With a plan take it to the garage and honk the car horn to alert the neighbors. But what Llandudno, was that when she heard Zach screaming it was because Cameron had stabbed him in the back shoulder neck and head. Ten times with a knife from the kitchen they just said. Yes, I'm believing they just I don't know they just they just don't know. What's going on, I'm just here, man, I said damn. I don't know why they've done this, I really don't think he was scared and most likely in shock. She didn't know where the brothers were, why We're doing this, or even If her husband was still alive. But she did know. One thing I'm going to kill me in their names are creeping Cameron, Erving. Cameron Ervin

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please hurry please So you can. Let me try, like I just heard door anyway did mom go ahead. It upstairs now hello the operator held on the line for five more minutes. Listening to the struggle. In the background before the line eventually went dead, but we're already on the way and the time it took for at least two arrive Yvonne's legs would be set on fire with barbecue lighter fluid. The brothers were Herman to kill them and we're trying everything

like some hapless characters trapped in tv land. They couldn't seem to get murder right. Meanwhile, downstairs Zach pulled himself up off the floor and tried to get into the garage, despite his ten being stab wounds and profuse blood loss. Opens the garage door, an makes it to the car, but as he starts to honk the horn, the door closes, shut by Cameron, dying and defeated. Zach collapses near the car. On the garage floor please approach the home, the dispatch, is relayed. The details lines are raising the children tried to strangle them. Input xanax in the food police finally arrived at the Forbes trail home. They immediately a blood covered Cameron into custody and placed them in the back of a patrol car. His father's Jack found collapsed in the garage still next to the car and still, barely alive. There were

series of Bloody footprints Lee from a large pool of blood. On the kitchen floor to the garage he now lay bleeding out. Years of blood the walls along the path he took as he to make it to the car the car door was open and the horn covered in blood as well. The continued to clear the home. Looking for Chris Anna VON most areas and hit in the head with a rifle multiple times. No gunshot wound up. Yvonne was still in her bedroom. Upstairs the room she made, the nine one, one call from cry: found in a bathroom laying face down on the floor and immediately taken into custody, but is the gruesome scene in the garage and kitchen and the mayhem that occurred in the master bedroom. The police notice something else unusual there strange burn marks on the carpet whole house smelled of gas, outside an officer checked on Cameron in the patrol car,

and saw that he was very upset. Camera the officer kill me now, when the office asked why camera spotted with I tried to kill my parents Who fucking does that Avon and Zach were in bad shape, even though they hadn't been shot but still alive, both were taken to the hospital, while their sons were taken to the Gwinnett County police headquarters for booking an interrogation. Here the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. The other idea, It's a lawyer and haven't present with you, while you're being questioned, police new part The story Chris and Romans plan began with drugging their parents with Xanax the night before, with their dinner, detective, read, Walters and Sergeant TED Conlon first interviewed. Chris determined that what happened next and why curse, Clothes had been stripped and taken

evidence because they were covered in his parents. Blood be sad in the interview, room, shirtless and silent and slowly gave the investigators more of the story. Remember smell of gas and the burns on the carpet. I don't know if more yes, I feel the same way gas was a mixture of gasoline. The brothers had spread around the home and the was that of natural gas spewing from the gas line they had broken. The burn marks were from They had place nearby hopefully ignite the fumes, an burn, the house down with their parents inside an idea they got from a television show Perry's the haves and the have nots

to show a woman is mad at her husband. So while he sleeps gas all around the house and sets it on fire don't he escapes it was scripted. Chris and Cameron went way script. Nothing happened, no fire no explosions, no murder, Well, I mean it's not something that should work. I think, but you just saw heading this man. And I say this- show really, Those are very sure they watched every Tuesday like they said together I'm home darling on Tuesday, so they can wash dishes and, unlike Funeral de Leche The haves and have Nots Bro turns out he's not working on the house, one. You are not going to do the work Pennywise for the whole house smells like gasoline.

Famouscandles dot com burn carpet in certain places how we will explain this, he design, Well, it's too late. Now too late to back out, they had to finish. They started and kill their parents. Their original plan to drug their parents so that they could burn them while they slept while apply plan failed miserably leaving them only with questions of how accomplish their deed, After didn't, workout. We were going to go up there and tell them. There's somebody broke into the house? training to get out. But then I don't see my

family room ideas, We've had already started. This will be our friendship with. His fixation will work dinner dinner and then we got it started fighting and but then we propose her parents. We know how to get by. Imagine that It was not supposed to be like that. This is when Chris lost it and broke down, This went on for a while before Chris finally spoke.

Just over with his head resting on his crossed arms, hello, negative things happening. That's why stuff with everything sample you sound, lovely, keep going there for windows. One support system that you ordered just just does not care just don't care explained by any means last clip was too hard to understand. I'll paraphrase for you, you basic

he blames his parents for not caring enough cause an environment of stress that put him over the edge later. The investigators will let the brother see each other, but first they to talk to Cameron alone. He isn't doing too. Well. He that alone in another interrogation, room bawling top of his lungs and just like Chris, His shirt had also been taken as evidence leaving him bare chested after Cameron, calm down, he continued to paint a picture. Bad home life specifically aimed at their father, I don't know I came, I know when I get out of control sometimes, and central done, Spongebob out younger, when I could heat up like he did when we moved the sign in one and then hardly my freshman year, and got back on the team

it is so much better than happy. Oh, let me look at it ok baby so you will come to the games. Dad didn't, come to games like somewhat of a flimsy excuse, considering ended up doing after this on a tangent about a song that someone explains his feelings: super rich kids coming in bottles of wine can pronounce too anyway, right, so my thoughts, rich kids from the little fake friends, rich kids,

the first verse of that song actually goes like this. They need this one we can't pronounce. They need to all that great, a luck, charms, it's come out too much and it saying no rounding up may need your rides in Bradley's Jaguar. Then the white guys in why us is when not those kids with nothing but fake friends. Poor Cameron, this all painted a very bleak picture of Cameron's view on life. He had every. You could possibly want But what he really wanted was mommy and daddy's affection, three times a week bells love. You they're, always going

going to do stand with arms derringer Sometimes it is He goes on to complain that his parents wanted him to get out of the house and do something with his life after high school. So we and in the Navy just to please them the. Station progressed and finally, Cameron began to open up about the night's events push out the copy down he's always trying to separate us. Please most common level headed one soundtrack to sleep it off. I could it's like.

Dinosaur videos, I'm going to bed the number across the country just take it from him and laughing your brother and dad. Salmon confessed to the crime, but it's still, very different slightly from Chris, is, after speaking, with camera for some time the police allowed the brothers to see one another. So Chris could call Cameron and hope get him to cooperate fully Chris entered the room and greeted his brother with his arms. Wide open each other and Cameron began. Cry again:

He had not been through a war, but definitely battle just like that. I don't get that we made a bad decision. Is certainly understatement. Chris until his baby brother, the truth the situation they were in, as he will happen, you just tell them my mom and dad okay, the source,

movie murder pulling popped up together outside performance for them fuck ups. Indeed,. As they sat in the interrogation room, contemplating what they had done they began to realize what they had to look forward to for the rest of their lives. French accepting the fact that they were going to prison. Chris Davis this advice, to go to jail? Let me go to jail.

Tell me one more message with Morbid curiosity Chris Cameron about stabbing their father Where should I rather not flashy after you walked out there Joker cancel current location. While the brothers were sitting in lock up their parents were in hospital, their father, the worst off. Somehow they made it through. They survived and, to everyone's surprise, when they were released from care. They publicly forgave their children.

Yvonne, still had the remnants of two black eyes. Those were not our boys be there to us. We did not raise our boys that way. We just stand there consequences for what they did. They understand that, but we just praying that the, so gives them in the same way that we forgive them maps that really it's all for the glory of the car is going to be glorified in this situation, so well? We just need you guys to know we're not going to sit up in Asheville, answer the wise and it doesn't that is all for the glory of God, but we forgive us, We love them unconditionally and we had to so they understand that stretching themselves. So, I mean that's really all we have to say. Well, we just want the world to know that we love them and we want them to everyones, understand unconditional love and forgive to further their message of unconditional love and forgiveness, appeared on national news where they addressed the questions. Why

they do it, and how could you forgive them? Now we don't know what happened. I mean it's just say one bad moment you know it was one bad moment where there any kind of, signs signals anything. What was the paper before this happened and that's the crazy part? Nothing I mean our children head, prepared dinner for us the night before there had been Xanax put in our drinks, so we were drug. We just didn't know what happened. We didn't know that was totally out of character for them: they're not violent. There they've never gotten in any type of trouble, with Ohio issues or drug issues or anything just common teenagers as a teenager. You know they have is

with you know, cleaning their room, and you know having attitude sometimes when you tell them to do something just like every family, I'm sure experiences with nothing. That would indicate anything like this. What do you build? The consequences should be for your service. That's up to God to determine that. You know I just pray for I think there's a four incarcerated now never had one bad day by no means on my discounting what has happened, and I look at my wife. I look at as far as I look at the things one bad day, when they looked at the two men that attacked them. Chris and Cameron's parents could only see their children looking back and could only feel forgiveness. And so, by their tragedy. They began the foundation fighting forgiveness INC

spreading awareness of depression and suicide. The brothers claimed that they had stressful homelife, that combine with drugs cause to make one really bad decision, it regretted it they were remorseful. They were I'm sure that caught the victim's forgave them and They understood But none of this mattered. The decision was now up to the court and they were guilty, they threw cells on the mercy of the court waiving their right to a preliminary hearing and going straight to trial. Then in trial they pleaded guilty. Jenny Porter when it county district attorney, spoke to the complexity of the case, the accusation and the warrant to indicate that they they tried to burn the house down by

turn the gas on an leaving a lit candle and then waited for the explosion and apparently waited for a period of time and that didn't. Happen, and then they went in and made the assaults on their parents which, according to the warrants, also included stabbing their father I've had cases where children try to kill their parents, I've had cases where they plotted to kill their parents. I've had cases

where they tried to burn the house down or I've had cases where there's been arson involved, but I've never had. The combination of the two I haven't had a case where there were sort of this sequence of events where there was the first attempt that failed, apparently, and then they went in to carry out what they have planned and there's also the the apparent lack of motive. There were statements made about a bad home life that sort of Jim Eric statements, but there's no specific from the suns, but there's no specifics and there's no evidence of it. Regardless of the drugs or the supposed bad home life, they were guilty and the idea was determined to put them away for as long as possible charging them with possession of a firearm during a crime, armed robbery, false imprisonment, kidnapping

and aggravated assault notice. There isn't a charge, attempted murder, that's because in the State of Georgia. Aggravated assault. Has higher maximum penalty of twenty years, as opposed to ten for attempted murder. Weird right All in all, the brothers were looking at a potential of thirty years in prison for one supposed bad day during the dial, Zack and Yvonne took the stand to beg for our children's future. Being in that room being in that house on that night, ask ourselves Aneinu shortly after that that and it happened to us, wasn't wasn't I ask for help yeah, and I also would ask for special Requ if I can yeah that will be allowed to clubs,

These decisions are always difficult for a judge, especially in the face of the pleading family in the the judge sentence Chris and Cameron, to twenty years in prison for their crimes. Chris is uh Thomas Clegg shared his thoughts about the case darkness. Yeah I've ever seen when I first met my client, I met a lowkey, calm, quiet, polite young man who is as respectful as could be. He has been that way through the entire t of my representation. The family has been as gracious, as thoughtful and forgiving as one could possibly imagine something dramatically wrong on that particular morning. Ultimately, I do not know, but was so ridiculously out of character as to defy comprehension. Bottom line is I truly believe these are good kids, who get something incredibly bad

I was hoping for ten. I was fearful of the thirty. I thought the judge might split the difference and he did so so I think this is a situation, where neither side is completely satisfied with the judge did what he thought was the right thing. They have to do every day of the first ten years and then, after that, it will be up to the parole board. It was Cameron. Urban's, 19th birthday he would be spending the next twenty years in prison this year, Cameron will be twenty one and, It is now twenty five years old by the time of their first parole hearing. There will be twenty nine and thirty three Ann. If it doesn't go well, they will be thirty eight forty two in the year twenty thirty five spend their time behind bars separately with Chris. In Riverbend Correctional Facility and cam and Walker State prison, coddled spoiled entitled rich kids. Not happy with their lives despite

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