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Episode 162

2020-05-18

Ryan Lawrence appeared to be a caring and dutiful father, taking his 21-month-old daughter Maddox with him as he delivered pastries throughout Syracuse, New York, and holding her hand through a rare form of cancer she was diagnosed with before her first birthday. But unbeknownst to everyone, an even more terrible storm is gathering on the horizon.

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It's escalators, bustling with people carrying shopping bags, laughing their children and dreaming. The impossibly expensive clothing in the windows just outside is the serene Onondaga Lake alone. With a well maintained bike path that follows on and dug a creek as it flows from the South shore of the lake to downtown Syracuse, it's a popular spot for tourists and local joggers alike. My place to clear your mind and walk your dog on a crisp spring morning. East you play his destiny. Usa and the Onondaga Creek walk are under. To most sites of unspent? double tragedy that Kurd over one horrific weekend in February twenty sixteen, maybe it's better that way
the shop for relatives at the mall and walk along the creek walk with their friends people. They think they know, but the scary truth is this the ones we love the most are the ones capable of hurting us. The most. When Ryan Lords and Morgan Forster first met. They were both working for time. At tea t store within the destiny USA, shopping mall, they can did over their love of nature and the outdoors and Accord Friends Morgan became pregnant women, dating Brian and Morgan, soon married and in the months followed there to families came together to nurture and coddled they're beautiful, baby girl magic Mary Lawrence Ryan and Morgan's life together seemed at first to be typical, with a rented house shared car
revolving set of low wage retail jobs to make ends meet. It was glamorous Hollywood lifestyle, but it was husband and wife, a dog, a baby roof? Overhead love trust, family? before Baby Maddox is first birthday, a singular observation would knock this family completely unconscious the type of concussive hit. You barely recover from Suddenly the world around. You is too bright, like a high pitch ringing in your ear that won't let you concentrate and joy won't go away. Recently, Rhine and Morgan noticed that one of Maddox is brown. Eyes was strangely turning darker doctors confirmed,
the terrible diagnosis. Carol shields and work on me. Oncology, quality services code director at the wheel, Science Institute in Philadelphia So, on the oncology service set wills, we deal with patients who have cancers in the eye. There are many different types of cancers that someone can manifest within the I bid them. Common cancer that we see in children is called retinoblastoma renewables, stoner as apparent you're supposed to be tried. Understand strange words from your baby, not your doctor. The good news is this: cancer is not that common in the United States. We may see it two hundred or three hundred children, the Ban whose is it can threaten vision led to blind yes and it can also lead to death of the child. So this is a very serious cancer. They often ask how we in a treat this cancer. How do you get back into the eye to treat this cancer
We have various different ways to treat retinoblastoma one way is we it chemotherapy chemotherapy the vain to kill the cancer in the eye? Another way We can give chemotherapy through an artery to kill the cancer in the eye, third ways to give radiation and in some cases, unfortunately, its necessary Remove the eye to save the child's life. Say the most painful sound in the world is hearing their baby cry were still is not knowing what you can do to stop it? imagine. Then hearing your baby as cancer will need chemotherapy radiation. And the possible removal of the eye Now there are regular trips from Syracuse in Central New York to Memorial, Sloan Catherine Cancer Centre in New York City. That's a four hour drive in each direction and between
Those droughts, Ryan and Morgan watch Powerless Lee as baby matter cries through hours, long chemotherapy sessions. She can't possibly comprehend Ryan's job delivering pastries and working as a gas station attendant are barely keeping the family together now toss in some medical bills, gas costs and law wages, not to mention a healthier more expert save eating regiment to help baby Maddox his chance of recovery. There is some soup, from family and friends. During this time, the Gulf on me pay set up by Ryan Sister manages to raise more than nine thousand dollars toothache hours more than what was requested, but what Good. Is that money when you have to you'd your baby, who can't eat hours before an invasive treatment for Ryan. Another cycle logical factor is quietly taking its toll. It years prior
He lost his mother, Mary to kidney cancer. Reeling from the collapse of seemingly tire life Ryan also managed to get his driver's license. Suspended. And take on another thousand dollar fee. He can't possibly pay pressure is mounting something is going to give way. It's just a question of what will break first for the moment. There is a glimmer of hope, baby Matter, it seems, is responding to her cancer treatment for Eight sessions down and Ryan and Morgan are told that baby Maddox will recover yes will require exams for several years to make sure the cancer does not return. But baby attic should grow up to lead a long and healthy life. It should have been I'm for celebration, but as if things couldn't
possibly be more emotionally taxing on the Lord's family, their dog trooper. Also fallen ill before in a veterinarian to euthanize. Her is out of the question, and so lover of Nature Ryan takes trooper to affect. What place in the woods and tries to comfort, her then you compressed her airway until she dies it's on. We're if Ryan ever shares this terrible moment with his wife, Morgan and, unfortunately, The sad and unsettling scene is but a harbinger of the deceased rubbing, events that will follow twenty, month old Maddox Lawrence is said by her relatives to be strong and tough with the blood of lions She makes little monster noises loves, reading and dancing to all different kinds of music. Michael Forster Grand
Father to baby Maddox father to Morgan recalls what would become the land happy weakens spent with the entire family, everyone, it gathered together in Connecticut and Baby Maddox was simple: by her very presence. Making everyone around her feel better we ve seen what a wonderful tyres everybody seemed to enjoy themselves, including Ryan, my wife How was your shoulder together under one it was enjoy playing together, Ransford plan she s Things you need to see their lives, we were right to return. Well me in my work our children
start new job Monday morning and war Today, with Rights Rochester, just the two of US you're right It was a waste of time to find a new job with more hours he reasoned her more hours do actually equate to allow our steel. He also stated that it would mean more time max and he wasn't willing to give up his time from this conversation Ryan, the largest share of her. So in response I agree I time with Maddox, spend time with after hours I believe that my daughter her we're horse I also believe that truly
door completely wrong freely Michael son, in law, Ryan by all appearances, was a loving father who brought baby medics everywhere. He was there but father who understood his daughter, like the touch of honey with their milk. And was seemingly present throughout her entire cancer struggle. Should any one even consider questioning the integrity someone who's been through. All that, surely twenty sixteen more there was no call. It was only a mass ring, more than one million.
Arriving to see my daughter totally stressed out and police officers are lies, will instantly turned upside down. Morgan. It also started working at a big teach shop and destiny. You I say, as was customary, Ryan and Baby Matic stropped Morgan off for her shift around four p m, with the expectation that they would be. ACT pick her up when or shift ended at ten p m, but on the night of Saturday February, twentieth twenty sixteen right and Baby Maddox did not return instead received a text from Ryan. Explaining that the car was in the park not in the keys, were left inside. More than expected, find her husband and daughter back at the house, but when she returned she found it. Left by Ryan, stating that he might harm Attics and himself sources also suggest he left in eight minute. Video
in which he says quote: I love you but I can't do this anymore. I want have the life that you deserve leaving and I'm taking MAX with me MAX is a net name for Baby Maddox or two? was unable to retrieve audio of Morgan's panicked nine hundred one call to police at eleven twenty repeat that night. Reviewing Ryan's text and video messages. Investigators Urmand him to be the finally unstable concluding that the city action should be taken seriously my marriage we we wonder where I was trying to do is our power. We just we continually ancient from police were ready for you, that's easy, you officer, should we with more
the member states, one month old, baby, who was now strangers How would the she say? How scared and then I just why, in my arms relay with her mother, allowed her to see long ago. One, views to scare me an Amber alert was issued missing child. Twenty one months old, approximately two feet tall blonde hair brown eyes last seen wearing a white shirt with pink collar and brown puppies pink pants blue coat, with pink interior brow.
Swayed shoes, grain, it hat with palm palms. What the hell from authorities. Baby Maddox his mother Morgan makes a plea to missing husband, Ryan first name this pragmatic home, X, Please! Please call we just want to know about the point that we receive, fairly loves you what's your old home Tom We're just y know you guys are good place and, What you say as soon as possible, sadness in her eyes is unquestionable. As she steps away from the podium. Into the arms of her mother, who tries to comfort her one conspiracy. Theorists took the time to raise
questions about Morgan sincerity and possible. Involvement since you know the cat, a shitty world, we live in the sea, of Syracuse became emotionally invested in reuniting Morgan with her baby, I way: signs and cell phones, broadcasting the Amber alert and for more two days. Tv and other media outlets inform the public, on the ongoing search. Everyone was desperate. Where to even begin looking. Day too, for an amber alert for a twenty one month old, missing from Syracuse policemen. Your have locating medics Lawrence and her father. They believe her father abducted her on Saturday night police. They Ryan Laurens, didn't pick his wife from work at destiny. Usa, Maddox, his mother, Morgan Lawrence got a text message from rising, stating that her car had been left in the parking lot keys in the ignition when Morgan got home, she found a note from Ryan
in the message you stated that he is taking Maddox with him also in the message his demeanor as actions indicate that caused some questionable concern of his mental status. For us that leads us to believe that there might be some danger to the people involved specially next Monday. Twenty. Second, broaching sixty hours since the Amber alert was issued when police, receive a call from somewhere.
In the nearby Baldwinsville area, a normal one called reporting a man matching Lawrence is description, came from a worker at the thrifty shopper on Downing Street. That was around four thirty. Yesterday afternoon, at the time he was wearing a disguise trying to conceal himself. He had on a wig baseball, had sunglasses and when he went into the thrifty sharper someone working there recognising because she had been watching all this unfold. The news police found him walking along downing Street a short time later semi. She followed him down, turn trade aid and counters tree and the police came, and they said that they apprehended hand they weren't chair. I assented ass for his idea. This is what an officer told us and Naval us him. He seemed a little off by ices. Took it as things that I thought he was homeless because he smells like fire when, like he was in front of a campfire courting the police, testimony office
There's did not immediately recognized the man walking on the north side of the road. We appear to have long hair coming down from his net hat and was wearing a coat while carrying a comfort. He also had an orange hiking, backpack, camouflage, pants and plastic. Three bags covering his black hiking boots, when for his name. The man said it was our low rivers and that he spent the night under the freeway overpass? Of course, you didn't have any identification and when asked for his birthday the index, did he was born August, twenty second nineteen, eighty nine and that he was twenty one years old. Denied up, so he corrected to August twenty. Second, ninety, ninety one, The police had no records of an hour low rivers born that day, but it did match the birthday the man. Every one was looking for. Ryan Lords police
asked Ryan to remove his net hat. When he did. It was clear, He was also wearing a wig, response, and I quote, you got me also in Ryan's possession camping gear, a handcuff key and a book entitled a hundred deadly skills, which is a practice survival guide written by a retired navy seal officers. Asked Ryan. If Baby Maddox was orange backpack. He said no and police verify The child was not their Michael Forster Grand gathered a baby Maddox and fast, two Ryan's wife Morgan continues. Sometimes we receive news was far in custody. Our whole immediately rose where they were. Was immediately style.
Why Paris Where is she You all It was. The word was thoroughly degrees below two degrees We hear she small, we worry ass could be outside still or some source. We just because we to see her and hungarian till we are this forum. We knows what receive the worse. We tire lies. During Ryan Lorenson interviews with police. He at First that he had given his daughter to a couple he had known for awhile by the name.
Of Chris and Taylor and that they were out of the country. Safe, invest there's continued, to impress upon Ryan. Their primary goal was locating exactly where Baby Maddox was and ensuring her safety detect Mark Roosten regularly asked Ryan about where he'd been in the last. Of days, hopes that it will lead the police to Maddox as location. Finally, for thirty a m on Tuesday morning, Ryanair did take detective roosten to the various sites he'd been visiting, amongst others locations where Rhine had left personal belongings, including strangely homemade, kayak, made of cardboard and plastic rap they reached abandoned house. Where Ryan said he had started a fire to keep warm, then it's Is there a couple nights earlier? Detective Roosten attempted to build a rapport with Rhine of the course of their hours long conversation he still
not know for sure whether Maddox was alive or dead, but in the park lot just outside the abandoned House detective recent finally broke through You said the Rhine quote the story about and tailors, not true, as it Ryan responded now and wouldn't look the detective in the eye Ryan, detective Roosten asked again. Where is medics Ryan says You won't look at me the same way once I tell you what I did with her boss,
and what a rotten day here and Syracuse, we have just learned from Syracuse police that a body that is believed to be twenty one month old, Maddox Lawrence has been pulled from the inner harbour where we have been reporting all morning. Long where we have then were members of the community have turned out some of them with their children concerned mothers, hoping against hope that this would end a different way, but it is just not so. Let's take it down to the inner harbour just along the creek walk this place that bring so many people in central New York. Joy, one of the absolute best places to walk your dog or just take a walk with a friend and catch up, will now be etched in people's minds as the place where the body of this little girl was found. According the court documents, New York State Trooper and driver Josh the cross was advised as to where Rhine had put the remains of baby. Maddox arriving at the edge of Onondaga Creek,
diver observed some ash and drag marks on the ice, and saw a knife alone What appeared to be a rib bone embedded in the ice, The diver entered the waters and real under the ice itself felt a cinder block. The. Why was so unclear. He could hardly see anything then moved his hand along the block feeling something soft able to ascertain just exactly what it was. He put the softer against his face mask observing the remains of who he believed to be. The missing matic Lawrence. Do they do that. Ryan wars admitted to killing his daily How father is able to
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taken so suddenly and under such incomprehensible circumstance. Not it was a somber mood here tonight there was nothing but silence and tears. Ass people came together to honour the life of little baby matic. So you can see behind me. Hundreds of people have been coming off and dropping off balloons and stuffed animals candles in flowers coming to this spot along the inner harbour here with special for families, because they say it was the last place. Little Maddox was seen. We talk to one woman tonight who was close friends with both Ryan and Morgan. Brian and Morgan, both love Maddox so much. They went through a real lot when they found out she had cancer and they've done only anything to help her. As far as I've ever seen, it's really unfortunate that Ryan had this mental break and that this was what came out of it. MR also released the statement
its family would like to express their extreme heartbreak and despair of the loss of this beautiful bay. It was our granddaughter niece. She's ray of sunshine and all of our lives What we saw of Ryan is that he loved Maddox immensely and so struggling to make sense out of this tragedy, but we not successful and That we will never be we want Morgan to know that we simply can't begin to articulate how much pain we feel for you and I love her. Is unwavering with Ryan in custody and the legal system? Turning a lot worse he'll. So many lingering questions, what drove Ryan kidnap and murder. His own baby daughter. Were there warning signs, we somehow missed or wasn't just a cold blooded act
evil on another county district attorney Bill Fitzpatrick is here, live on CBS five, his first tv interview on this awful awful case. Do we know? Why Ryan Lawrence did this. Lula to a little bit of why in his statement, I dont always believe individuals when they get into the. Why I know that I, in the irony hears it Maddox was a fighter that she had been fighting very unusual form of cancer of the eye. An all indications word at she was successful. But it was expensive. The tree and was time consuming that contributed to our demise. I don't know
He has in some way alluded to that in his in his statement in the Dalai Lama to go into too much detail. Is statements allude to almost a sense of jealousy about the attention this child was getting as opposed to the attention that he was getting now. I will hear more about that industrial policy, It's hard to hear so many struggled to comprehend the why Others wondered if the answer lingered and understanding the what and how the autopsy reports in as well as results from a mental evaluation confirming Rhine was mentally competent to stand trial, some of who's gruesome details from Ryan's confession. Detective mark Rison started to come to light the unindicted Creek walk was not the only area of investigation office,
were also gathering a site. Twenty five miles south in a place called Labrador Hollow unique area. It's another pop, their destination with several hiking trails, fishing areas and a new Be renovated boardwalk sprawling throughout the freshwater wetlands given Ryan and Morgan shared love of nature in their proximity to this diverse animal habitat. It's easy to imagine them pushing baby, Maddox and stroller along the wooden plaques, pointing at the birds and fish in their natural environment, early that day as Ryan retraced his steps with detective mark gruesome. They are. At a scene about a quarter of a mile into the woods. Nero Peaceful landmark called tinker falls. Upon arrival, detective routes and saw an aluminum. Can spray paint bottle,
Matted down snow turned to ice. There was also a fire pit with burned logs. Remember when Ryan was first arrested, the good Samaritan who called nine when one said Ryan smelled like a camp fire. It was here. Hours earlier where Ryan made his silent prayer God, if I'm not meant to kill her makers, stumble and that, where the swing of a wooden baseball, Bat Ryan ended twenty. Month, old, Maddox, Mary Lawrence as life strike. In the back of the head. You then earned his baby daughters body in the makeshift fire pit. Allow with the wooden baseball bat for three. Whole hours, occasionally porn gasoline onto the crackling, embers.
A remains were then driven twenty minutes north to the UN. AGA Creek, Lock, he attempted to obscure them in the ice waters. It was a mile away from destiny. You say the sixties Shopping Malls Ryan dropped the family car off for his wife Morgan and proceeded on foot before spending the night under Hiawatha Boulevard Bridge, though not be revealed until later its laws, That Ryan brought a sheet of plastic to the murder scene. Along with camp and survival supplies, including spray paid to change. The color of his skin Ryanair, land that his original intention was to make it look like Maddox, had simply run away. Then after killing attics. His plan was to commit suicide somewhere along the Ohio River and hopes. His body would make its way to the Caribbean,
Site where his mother's ashes were dispersed eight years prior while there is some legal questioning to whether or not Ryan's confession can be used in court. It is also we deemed admissible. There, you, Brian wars over eighteen years of age every year, one word, now sixteen for men. In the first degree for further, right you in there. Why. Two more realise that being Laura roared were removed Asian,
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iraqi hurriedly, even after this guilty play today, people who have followed this case are left with a burning question. Why? This happened why even after this guilty plead today, can we not answer that question well at this point in time? He's plead guilty, but we still have sentencing in a couple weeks to address this point in time. I can't get into all the details of that, but I can tell you that there was with a notice that we gave the district attorney in extreme emotional disturbance possible defence. In with that indicated, was there were certain events that bore on his emotions that brought him to this point. As you may realise, all the information we have about Ryan was that he was a loving undutiful father prior to the time this incident occurred. So a snap,
so to speak, a snap that caused him to do things that were extremely and, to put it bluntly, completely outside of his normal character, is normal relationship with his daughter. So it was a different person and almost spake almost out of the overly concerned for his daughter. If you can understand that type of situation that was going through his mind prior to this event, he was an overly concerned. Our knowing I wanna make sure we get this right overly concerned. Farmers are completely responsible dutiful in loving father. He spent most of his time away from work with his child and taking care of her well. His wife was working. He was that type of father kind of attached to him the day that mattocks his body was found in the inner harbour. The district attorney sat right here in that chair and told me that they were, they were theorizing on a motive about jealousy that the child had survived this, where cancer of the eye and that Ryan Lawrence may have somehow felt like so much of the attention rightfully so had been put on Maddox that he was in some way. What feeling left out do you know anything about that? What I can tell you about, that is nothing whatsoever and what I've found, what I've looked into. What I ve learned with respect to this matter indicates that that was. The situation was, moreover, concern for the type of life the medics may have experienced ass. She went on in again those details I can't get into at this point in time. That was his concern. Animal love in his mind for medics in that's what brought this about. I know that is difficult to understand.
At Ryan sentencing. A couple of weeks later, members, Baby Maddox is extended family aggrieve publicly, as they share their perspective of how the past months have unfolded. It appears emotional shutting his own tears as each relative shames him for what he has done, Morgan the mother of Maddox bravely faces the husband she thought she knew at times. She is shaking, showing remarkable restraint as she fights through the Unfathomed the difficult emotions to express the utter horror he will have live with her completely irrational actions Culture Fresno and my daughter weigh love yes
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You know you will not drag, tortures You told me ashes. Nobody's when it's right. In turn to speak. He opens within. Apology to everyone who loved Maddox, saying that he and expect forgiveness and that is sorrow and paying for the loss of his daughter comes from the deepest depth of his being. In your way justify my actions in there is no old labour myself, There is no good explanation, Cecil I can say, is that you still clearly the hungry
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nothing was there. You more safely committee, ground I'm sorry: The hearing lasts just over an hour at which point the judge, Aids. That right is sentenced to twenty five years to life. Ryan waves is right to appeal the sentence, but sometime around his fiftieth birth, in the year twenty forty one he will appear we're a parole board that could decide to. Let him back into the real world. Until then Morgan her family Indeed much of Syracuse will continue going on day by day as best as they can
A central New Yorker who was present day baby Maddox his body, was removed from the waters of unindicted creek. To organize a memorial along the waters edge. I was with many emotions at the time and every time I subsequently ran by, I became angry and and very sad and then the terrible. So in order to take care of those emotions and kind of bring them some positivity, I wanted in some way if we could try to reclaim the space reclaim this area Henry consecrated after it's been defiled by this at the very touching time for me and for all of us at our peril said a hundred people really did show up today, and so we could join together and we hope this is a small act in to help our community he'll itself breaking off from the paved walkways The unindicted creek walk in the same light
station, where items of sympathy continued being placed in the months that followed a brick path. And to a small circular area at the centre of Wooden park bench rests. As a permanent memorial, basing the creek not far from here. Baby Maddox remains were recovered, a stone ploy, in the ground reads: Maddox Lawrence rest in the arms of the Lord, as this episode is being written in March, twenty twenty, an active facebook group. Nearly fifteen hundred members called and met Baby Maddox is still posting pictures of the bed. Memorial March. Nineteen a video of a bright red cardinal is posted with them. Sustaining today is the first day of spring I know everyone is going through a lot of stress and anxiety over the virus, so I thought
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a month after sentencing a reporter from Syracuse start com granted a video interview with Ryan Marts at a Mirror correctional facility. Right agreed to it in the hopes that it would prompt other troubled people to seek professional help. I'm not alone. I have my family were being in the cell with nothing, but my thoughts is tormenting. I can't close my eyes. I can't sleep just having too to throw could have created for myself is Hell held this. It's real. I know that I pray for myself. You don't have to die during their to our conversation. The report refers to some com, helping information that came to light during rides interviews with two different psychiatrists: we'd meant that Ryan's mother was diagnosed with kidney cancer and passed away it years prior to be MAX is death we also
just that. Ryan's plan. After murdering his daughter, was to kill himself somewhere along the Ohio River, hoping his body would reach the Caribbean where his mother's ashes were scattered. It seems that Ryan's year, long grieving for his mother had recently manifested in a much more sinister manner. You see The week before he kidnapped and murdered Baby Maddox Rhine claims to have heard the voice of his mother Mary. She told him that he. Give baby medics to her so that she could help solve his family's problems in a moment the again here from mother tongue. Bring her here that some backrooms adjust Before any, I heard my mom, I heard what I thought was my mind. That day thing
Let me take over give it to me and then I said, no, whatever. But then some voices. Your selfish You're, selfish, keeping that here? Where are you offering onward and suffering like MAX this service ironically, Ryan's mother Mary was a social worker who spent save her life, helping families who were the victims of violent crimes? She was unfortunately thrust into this noble career, following the murder of her brother in T. Ninety, when she and Ryan's father for separated Rhine was thirteen years old and reacted the pain and loss by hurting himself, further Ryan, would mutilate himself by burning his skin with heated metal and other objects.
Ryan's mother died two years later, the sea abuse only got worse, to her passing Ryan burned a heart onto his chest within sets in what would have been his mother marries. Fifty ninth birthday, Ryan murdered, Maddox Mary, author, he'd, named in hopes of continuing his mother's legacy, Let me come back to that day. It was with these what was more than ever before talking about MAX Weber on another trip. I'm see you soon he's got some very quick. I turn to the S baby in the we ve It was good
say anything I want to talk about this Ryan. So tells the reporter quote: this notion that if I could cremate her body, releasing her energy into the world faster and club, though he told psychiatrists but he burned Maddox his body to reduce his chances of being prosecuted for the murder, so yeah that too, I guess I met this man, Sir but try to protect me to be a mania. What I did was verbal, whatever was when it was unfair. What I did was illegal and but it wasn't me it wasn't. Me there was the storm
this is taking over. Ryan who recently burned his zodiac symbol into his hand and said scars on his legs from heated, broken bottles? Also, revealed that he had taken baby Maddox to the same location. Near tinker, falls a day before the murder and couldn't go through with it You could just be evil. Do you mind if I don't think so, because what I was trying to do was not evil. I wasn't gonna hurt. Anybody I was trying to save. My ex was trying to see my way. A strange sort of way firmly firm. Struggling in a more selfish of ever done. I fat rationally. Bad, I was gonna be surplus thing I would ever do you realize how crazy that sounds of rest, Do you imagine a pain? Worse than learning your loved one has been diagnosed with cancer to survive
Such misfortune takes an emotional and physical toll on everyone. But the only way to get through it is to stick together. Something new, not telling us about what caused this day, Or something sort of back when Ryan was sentenced judge solemnly reads the following: quote: a wife: who loses a husband is called a widow A husband who loses a wife is called a widower. A child who loses his parents is called an orphan. There is no word or apparent, who loses a child. That's how off the losses in time
crisis which, let's be honest, we're all experiencing in one form or another. These days, finding your footing and supporting others around you is the most important thing you can do: Ryan LAW was a man fortunate enough to have a network of resources to help him through the most dreadful of scenarios and yet Ryan, selfishly felt it was up to him alone to decide when his daughter to die
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