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Hello, unwelcome assorted scale, episode twenty and show that reveals that the worst monsters are real. This episode is part two of his story called demon, child a story of a father and son would both charged with the murder of a fourteen year old, Louisville Boy named trays wicker. Now, if you haven't heard part one, you want to go and listen to it, an episode twenty seven. Otherwise you maybe a little lost, because this story seems to have a variety of people with questionable moral, which makes it a bit hard to keep track of whose who will do our best to sort out this dysfunctional family and the horrible secret that some of them may still be hiding and why one of them may have gotten away with murder.

Questions damaging monsieur Ivory, Mercedes Iverson draw showing your birthday. Is this a seventeen year old, Josh younger Joshua Dockers? Son your life You had it much better situation. I love my dad more than anybody in this world. Then I rather be with him than anybody else where My life is much better with my dad, so your wife was better getting arrested in Alabama being with my dad being with my dad it's all worth it. He says young and his father, Josh Gawker were very close, despite the fact that our had spent most of young life behind bars

So you see here is a fairly put you in jail trainees, more or less, and less burning being arrested and ensure better Josh. Young is sitting here in an interrogation room because of his father, Josh Gallagher, who took him Burma with a concealed weapon. Even he's on parole

yes, all around anywhere in May or June of two thousand eleven. I guess, did you see John Jago with fire and was a rifle? Was thinking you to Sri Lanka? Why you would put your soon in this predicament is inexplicable, but then again This is one oral family. Do you know where he got the who gave him? He told me that he got it from his cousin giant Johnny Gallagher, and that is the same. That he was in Alabama that is, after being released from prison in September of twenty ten Joshua Gawker petition to get custody of his son over the sections of the child protection service. He cried and begged

and put on a good show. Eventually, he was successful and regain custody, after only six months of being released from prison where he had been serving time for a couple of assaults and even an escape from prison with two months of that time, the family Court Judge Word, custody Josh Young to his father, and he now had a body to smoke with Josh value. Marijuana volatile was at all in drivers, is anything everywhere tell him about. When was it when you are visiting during started? First, ombudsman, on Christmas Eve, and every time we smell was every day just about trade in their own interest. Everyday, nothing spreads the Christmas cheer better, then bowl of pot with your kids on Christmas Eve, but

better example of bad parenting is how Josh Young ended up in this interrogation room to begin with. Why was he found in Alabama with his dad who was violating his parole by leaving the county and carrying a firearm at Josh Young trial? The two other women that were with them when they got arrested had some answers about this bizarre road trip was other aims. League are Gallagher Car long you one afternoon and say we were getting go swimming at I'll, tell in local, so Josh Gallagher, Joshua Change. My mom has where I was staying. And usually was with when they came in he already Angeles mothers run so easily gap in your time to pick you up piecemeal way, can any. How to make out cuz mom's car we're supposed to be going to a hotel to go swimming in it.

Dark outside and For I, while up at, and that's what, when I found out, they were supposed to need money to or supposed to be, dropping Josh, Gouker and Joshua off somewhere and our only remember where in wonder about it's kind of a book had time to find out what you're doing, isn't something you really want to do. When you are already there there's a lot of that in this story miles we went in like water, cheap stuff like that away, then we all get back in the car. Don't start driving until the car broke down, where in the car break, think it was intensely and of the fact that somebody gets into a car to go to a party with their friend and ends up in Tennessee, some gas station somewhere and

the ride to another hotel. How did you get to the gas station from the broken down hard? You remember, they actually got the car run into the gas station about and then did you had arrived from. The gas station is so now this great friend of your horror, who invited her to the pool party that ended up into a road trip through different state split Why Angela got ahold of, I think, was her grandfather bought her take it back to work. Gallagher took my phone apart. Anyone, let me call anybody to hire claims. She was basically a prisoner of Joshua Gowk, her on the trip, Were you drinking while you were on this trip? are you using any drugs while you're on this trip? Not not that I was trying to avoid Gallagher Head told me to take some pills. Do you know what kind of help now, whatever pill

She took her pretty good because she doesn't seem to remember much other than the details that will ensure her getting off the hook for crime. She allegedly committed We spend the night. Also then worsening, I don't remember. A far if you recall Was this hotel from the hotel? You left. I don't remember got the next hotel. What happened I don't really remember about the last thing you remember. I remember: a lady, and ask a ride from let the testimony you're about to get will be true. This is here in the more smite testifying about the horror she went through at the hands of Josh Gallagher, Josh Young and this woman. To really

to this end the how she almost hyper ventilate. Recalling the details of that day, I went out to spend time with my son and daughter, applause and laughter my call my things as soon as I am aware that some ice closed behind them, A lot of this fight everything I know about safety, and there was a woman and she started. Better name was Jennifer

and her son, one eight domestic situation and desperately trying to got home woman. She was speaking too, of course, was not named Jennifer. She was named horror and the person she claimed was her son was actually Josh Young about warning, tickets for her after some hesitation wrong to the best option: here's a safety prototype. Never. First, strangers rides anyway and then, a few months later, she came back downstairs. They tell me that she and let me the correct number Josh, just stood there quietly Walter horror worked her mark, Joshua was quiet, stood in the shadows, I have nothing to say no good deed, goes unpunished. The next morning she was that matter

time sanctuary, ready. She had some. Bags, bags which restore Walmart, where our hand I was not ready to leave us some tired Ramadan take time and getting ready for the day. I told her. I was gonna be a little bit longer. I was ready and He came back again. An hour and explain to her again now quite ready and taking all a bit longer who had her thank sitting by my car would have passed, finally got ready money outside the door and she had to run up and get her son from Europe,

the pact, everything up. She ran up and got Joshua and start to pull out she said. Well, I have to turn in my key because this is my ass day, so I pull up to as she gets out ransom the key to the manager. What comes out she gets into the front passenger seat. And then a the back opened and Falco jump in the car answer high. She said you might be able give me a ride to the mass station. As December station she's going to this woman had been targeted ever since pulled into that. Motel Josh Gallagher had saw her in the parking lot and sent me and Josh Young down to her room to ask her to tell her that me and my son Josh Young, needed a ride to the bus station and asked her if she could take us the following morning.

Just to be clear as Josh Young, your son. Now as Josh Gaffer was here your boyfriend. He now was ever your husband now did issue in fact asked the woman for a ride to the bus station the next morning years and was just shown the defendant with you when you did that, yes what happened next. One guy in the car her Is this tat same night or the next morning. The next morning we car with call her just Joshua, and I want to go check out at the front desk and that's why you Gallagher came down head, gun in my bag and told me to tell her he was get in the car to do harm. Of course, claims did all this, because she was threatened by Gallagher. But then again, why wouldn't you

if she's facing a very serious charge of false imprisonment, let alone Galileo, because they were the same motel made to go to the same bus station, after some hesitation. I said: ok, It's only like eight, then it's down the road on how I certainly too as for driving, statement she saw something and Oh honey luck. He said that I realised that they obviously each other. They were not accidental acquaintances. She called him honey. I realized I was in a situation that I didn't want to be in because they Obviously it told me a story. So I at a shell station en masse and city.

I asked him to go inside and get specific directions on where this bus station was now her. To your back and said, tell him that I want a ride to ask her to give me a ride. Also, what happened next she said that was fine. Who on earth would say that that is fine, the creepy. I behind you with the teardrop face tattoo and the guy pointed at your back sure he can come with us to wine. He had in the Black Sea with Josh, and we rode to figures a gas station. Guy some money at a time machine and at the station went to the atm and pulse money to get some stacks and, about four inches. Nothing just a short time at the cashier they came out, said

a war minutes at a truck station down the road. I know that now taxation and I started to get extremely nervous at that point and I tell them that I was going to take them to the bus station enhanced so that they can adjust their tickets, because our no longer gonna go in the opposite. Election of work. I needed to be that day and then, I welcome you to the dollar storm, which is just a short distance. I need to buy some toothpaste said. Ok, about where, when About came out of the shell station Hocker got in the front seat, you have got the back seat

when you leave the dollar store, where you got your toothpaste, that's when Gallagher, God in the front seat. Yes ma am we go to the dollar store get out goes into. The dollar store, makes a purchase. While she is doing that gap, her steps out and smoke cigarettes? How about that back in an hour to stay The car and start to drive away and Doktor said: pass it up and at that time too hard passed, a pistol from the back seat to golfer and appointed the gun at me and said dry Doktor had asked, for the gun. Apparently at some point he gave this gun just

He asked him for the gun and his lap and how the lady that she was gonna take him wherever he wanted to go and she wouldn't get hurt, and he told me to drive out try Anna and and and Then he told me one it bad This picture was all over the teenagers and I explained to him ass if, from the area had no large, I didn't know who he was Seen anything on tv, And he showed me his driver's license, but was too scared actually read the driver's license. Turned a corner, lottery and capture. And he tells me to make a.

What is actually turning in the direction of whereby in laws lived. Let me continue down the road and he's blaming ride. We came to a tea and he told to turn right but knew was taking me away from the highway, and I explained that to him. So he told me to go to turn round this poor woman. Your deal lasted most of the day a day was supposed to be celebrating her grandsons birthday. We ended up on the other side of farming. So would it then. Three hours drive for six hours. She was driving this bizarre group of strangers all over town running, tsar. Errand boy did stop at Rostov.

TWAIN, Decatur and Birmingham, got out, but so does and then we stopped again in southern Birmingham. In an area called homeward. We start. Animal town. And got a room for two days and then he drove was aired and to get very emotional at this point, realising that this is the this is the very moment in which,

she was awarded her life again. She could have been dead. She could have died that night, but instead she's here to tell the story, and she can't help but feel that again that fear that despair, It all comes rushing back handling the gun, sang, it was not us asking questions the text after you pull the gun on me. Because I thought I was going to be robbed I keep looking in Less Quit making me very nervous speakers, I wasn't

I plug to those I can't believe I was on his side, but this woman blundered so badly by letting strangers into our car very quickly. And Conniving Lee came up with a plot to try and out of this situation, be stated that the joint costs custody Joshua with his Ex wife and not others. I've had taken off with Joshua and it has taken in eleven months defining and he thought The Joshua was a dangerous situation, so he went to ten Joshua and in the process he said man tried to stop them. And he shouted at the towers, why they were on the run. And that was.

The only information and I knew at that time as to why he was on the run. Mommy told me that story, I am. I have to make him believe always sympathetic to his. Situation, but he was try decide the sun from a bad situation and that he had made a mistake and injured him enduring someone else in the process. But that it was for the second son. So I kept I run in conversation with him too which sent the situation, and it was hey if someone that aid.

Sympathetic to his situation in order to. Hence com. For the next several hours. Keeping Josh Gallagher COM was the only purpose of her existence, saying anything and everything I could get you situation. Call Gawker had a gun, but had some ammunition of her London stock at the Rostov Xanax too, try and calm hand down, because He was losing control, and I wanted and call meanwhile little Josh, in the up quiet as time. Up until that time Joshua was that when and you were in the shower station is

He told me his grandfather had diabetes and that he was sorry about that, and that's the most up until that time, but I heard prepare sighing. He is he was down. He was not so anything quiet little innocent Joshua playing the role of two hearts. Son conning woman into this bizarre situation and it just sitting there at down thought about. Him was annexed to her in the hopes, action? I hope they make you sleepy we see an opportunity to get away, then work so you're saying too Birmingham and is just a running conversation. He's he's

asking me for advice. He sang may lead out of the ocean and and I think he should do too I wouldn't do that. I explained train what I thought Watch TV He put the gun, just try to hitchhike do not any other crimes like be caught. Was this take more obey mom and, Advising as a mother on that Madame made a and he needed to stop making good.

No mistakes if he wanted to get away therein was now manipulating the manipulator Josh Gallagher. It was very dangerous territory. He had go and rent a run for two nights and Not only the corrupt, his desk and arrange anyhow Joshua may so that it would appear to be less suspicious. Erin was now participating in the same trick that was used call her the end of the building what through the back door, but he was happy with that that's why he told everyone to get in the car and he took the keys from me.

In our country Slow down when often laughed down into I've tried allow current right out of their anyone straight like a wounded area. In like area is just two trees. That looks like a good place to die, He looked over it and said this is where I'm gonna kick started. Laughing are No, she just said: that's not funny. And took it everything. I had jokingly, say.

What now Joking, detention they turned back and tell you have to the ties with this poor woman sounds like somebody's mom. He's grandma and she's: terrorized by this animal. For no reason other than a sick pleasure and who had two parties which was placed to the motel Joshua Man and he asked me outside them, just continue? I swung saying the place he kicked out of place and I keep trying to reassure him that I have said before wake up that round in the place,

me, and then he notably crowded. I trying to think of run. Look. What I could do to get right and I was concerned that someone would get injured. Not try anything to get away, We have now not the end. Tommy Joshua in the eyes and promise, when that call. The police and ass?

seemed to get upset by Bob. Like you didn't want a power that just a slight. Please stop. And then they took me outside and was talking again Jimmy I'm not going to the place and I kept insisting I was gonna go to the police. A man and Joshua came out back in the car and led to the motel Until now

is again trying decide what he's going to do with me and what would you do in this situation?. You're being held against your will, buy a monster who is deciding whether or not to kill you efforts to convince Was one hundred percent on his side? We start. Discussing me too. Except rights, not to most. Who's gonna get caught the mom thing again and trying to put them advice and gaining all the money I had my pocket

I gave him a hundred dollars because then said I was one hundred percent on his side and then suddenly, tension dissolved away something she had said or perhaps the way she said it convinced Gallagher not to kill her instead. He gave her a present crystal on it, but he he said. Please let this to your son, because I too from your Sunday as looking up begging me away, and again offered and gave Gallagher summer Xanax Lastly, I wanted him asleep, because I was- the place

And I wanted him to take the medicine and be sleepy relaxed be easy capture. Then Yeah and he let me go and- an Joshua. Let me I am talking here about I'm going to the police, and then he attended to and fro it was his sounds life that depended on me not going to the place and then he gave me a gonna. Let me drive away about time.

When, across the street godson gas and as fast as I could back to Huntsville because I didn't I Didn'T- want And the same tell him and then What happened my ex husband made? because he was wanting to know when I signed up explain to him what had happened. And he said The house will call the police- So obviously, the three get arrested and horror claims and she was also being held against her- will that this was all Dockers plan that she, had been held at gun. Where did Gallagher Approach with his gun, was coming out of office after he had already checked out. He has been ok, you know before this moment

That girl, who had a gun newsman, Do you remember when you learn to think out for had a gun and an old after we left Myers learning the girl, but our I'm not sure where exactly we were that at some point that first light, you knew that there was a gun you're walking out of the front office having just shut down Gallagher. You sleep to your back and said. Tell him that I want to ride to ask her to give me a ride. Also. Yes, of course, the victim story doesn't matter. Not at all. How can normally handed the key walked back just like any other else normally would. I did not speak Gallagher and he spies. Obviously, he had been behind the car, so who has more incentive to lie here, the victim or the

person being charged with a crime to make matters even more convoluted after being did too hard testified to police that she had over heard certain things on that trip. Certain things that implicated, Josh Young in the murder of a step. Brother trays wicked, remember hearing defendant TA, about killing his brother gives, he explained to the jury? What said and how he was when he said it. Moreover, at the Toto were angel, I was there and Josh calculate asked me if I know who killed tray- and I said no, did, and I looked at love, Josh lived, rational, said nuclear trade in said yeah. Is that the only time that he talked about killing try another term too soon? the last hotel we were in handling.

Gallagher we're talking about it and they were coming. Laughing about it like it was funny. You remember anything that the defendant said in that conversation about killing his problem step, but he bade him to death. I was in that now, You said he to be clear. Who said that in to death. I just gotta was having this conversation with Josh Young at the time. Yes, man did. You want to be with Gilbert and young on this car trim Why didn't we Given that option he took my phone for me in pieces and threatened to kill me numerous times and he did to me. Which version Gallagher Galbraith technically,

Why didn't you TAT somebody else's phone and make a phone call from the bathroom I didn't the bathroom by myself and there was no other found, except for the room phone you said you didn't even got it abandoned by yourself was that by choice, no man play. What you're saying jobs Gaffer would not. Let me go to the bathroom by myself. He would not. Let me shower by myself The Josh Gallagher leave your side during time then you were on this trip momentum. Now what about when you win, to ask this woman and you ever her name. When you went to ask Erin you and Josh John initially went to ask Erin Why didn't you or say something to her, then cuz, just as terrified of Joshua is, I was Josh Gallagher, now. Remember this part about her not even being able to go to the bathroom by herself. It'll be

Orton later, but for now we ve arrived at that interrogation room where Josh Young is being questioned and police, are going to use this opportunity to ask him questions about his step. Brothers, death. Acting, he might have had a role in the murder. Tell me the truth about. We were back porch Dad Amanda were just a you. Dad is obviously Josh. Gallagher in Amanda is the victims, mother Josh's sort of stepmom, then my evidently they were on the back porch and told me. You was going to take a shower and calm down for the night, so I two cases. I plan on, sleep now they're sleeping Amandas, Counter Cassius Chassis is go her cousin and sexual partner. Hocker is living at Cassius House two doors down from Amandas on this

I were trays, wicker dies, lush, sleep, So why would you I guess the first day that day before No, when I I was alone the first jobs, I know I was upset. I was scared and I was angry and I was all those things that everybody went through, but I still told the police when I answer my question. I would tell him what happened. I didn't have to come back to me a week later or two weeks later or month later, true so It makes was That is why I believe the store you tell her. Sure the true story, because you're a you

I want you to was taking a shower and Ass but a short while restoring store. I wasn't there How then, are causing watching tv you comfortable too I was there. I saw him, take a shower we're going to go to bed. That's why I put his clothes back on including his shoes, but I got that story cuz. My dad and Amanda told me that that night he walk Backdoor fully dressed head to toe and then walk back in and shut the door. That's easy to say now but she clarified with you a couple different times, so you saw him put his clothes back on. Yes, what kind of shoes do you put on some kind of like shoes. Amanda told me this measure was. I know your stories like myself

Jane murder case at all. I do. So that's kind of where we need to work through right now before we go into some other things, How are you I thought you saw him take a shower. I think he's going to put his clothes back on and I think you know when your dad went back down to where to where this happened. Then. Soon, Why voice. Toss. How and then sailor applause,

you know you don't know how you do so few people how smart to do something similar to this, either with their phone or with a little digital recorder, or something like that, and I know you talked to a few people- I don't even police wise. I mean friends, some of your friends and you told your friends a few things a little more in detail about. Maybe what happened to Trey and cash machines for your friends that they resumed their friends. Tell you would total what are you talking about? anything who is

after the accident. No wise really will come back, No, are you still got there still picking your no requirement somewhere out there? Springfield everybody on the street? Everybody was always down there and Cassie's. My endless what are the you ever yourself really Who's Conor been. Have you talked not recently, May I thank about how would you diminished ceremony I can't remember not after.

Counter conversations? Jury about Shrek I didn't know that around. What are the girls? Do you have that we're friends years not really any Sarah's, not even a friend out talk to her anymore cuz counter and her don't get along, so I haven't talked to her at all. So why would there be other friends out there that have came to me and I've interviewed working on this case than probably any murder case that I'm everyday buddy I'll give them to you either live in Kano case why your friends, male or female, come say You were talking about how you want, kill people. Trail

and at Raven murdered in a similar fashion, how you describe how you were able to do it have no, I did so, while the girl, I don't know that I get along with everybody, so I had to run. Nobody would really have a reason to lie so, around any reason some kind of work issue. Do you think I would go around saying original rituals, are by no means, and this may be created Mesa, maybe be noted, where are you

Never once talked about killing anybody, and I never heard my dad talking about killing anybody and my dad likes her, and so did I now. The region to take out just as major leave Bullshit As you know how long as you can. We're going to measure yeah, What was the conversation in car. And I'm going down to Alabama yard driving in the car. With someone conversation your head selective memory or temporary amnesia is a common go to for liars. They talked a,

because she did the same thing. She knew that your dad might be a little teenagers. You try something. I believe that we allow you're on a report that you automaton about uses which can ensure we're friends Y'all talked about killing people couple weeks before the murder and Trey. Similarly, and the girl drowned Alabama, she's lying so everybody everybody just want to That's not true our cars. Our town measures must make Joshua on claims everyone is lying, accept him Easter. The innocent little fifteen year server.

Losing her. You are you talking about. Let s say my dear Molly saw me so Can you hear things like? No? No, no, no, no nothing happened are liars. I don't want you talking about. I've never said anything like that. Anybody that last part is important you see Josh Young thinks he smarter than the police he thinks he can get off and silken his dad the prevailing Theory goes a little like this Josh Gowk. Considered himself a thug any wanted to raise young in his own image gas for trying to create its own model army at players so that jobs can employment rate minded people? He loved to control weak minded. People he had all the bad kid.

Abraham, starting to hang out with him in the picking can, Oh you, that is what he is about and his son had lost it. Either in all, he had was his father and he had been in your home, so I think he was a damn whatever ever his that he wanted to do for that approval. Some believe that Gallagher made young participate in this murder. As an association Lord tray into the word that do not one try went into those with alone. I do not believe that he went and to that all our absolute. He got him to go to the woods and him his father acted on it. That's what have believed from day one. The proof is in their behaviour after trees, death, particularly at his burial, you didn't or more for all to me. He seemed if I get a good result. Somebody they want to be in his income, a nervous by it? I did thing As for more added in feed, I didn't see a normal reaction of how a child should be that bother what had just been brutally murdered and as for dockers, remorse. Well, what do you expect

I thought you have gap. George Gallagher taxing as ad during trade burial. I saw him actually using a cell phone, as everyone was sitting around him and I was standing in the carriage was there and he was actually taxing on a cell phone we're say under life words for trade. He was dead thing, there's also Dockers behaviour the day after trays body was found. You suddenly became over protective of Amanda tradesmen. He started becoming a lot more overprotective. Friends would come by to check on me to see how things were going to take. It help me in any way He would answer the door and run him off. He would tell some people that they want welcome back. Again remember how too hard described Gallagher in the hotel, not even letting or go to the bathroom by herself to the restaurant. I tell you would open the door and suggest that I was making fun of that will be attentive to heal,

I didn't want me taking a shower what the door closed. He wanted to be present the entire time If we allow you to be alone at all, never did you or to be locked. You now now had no doors in the house can be locked. He wanted full access anywhere that he wanted to be this psychopathic manipulator thinks he can get away with anything, even murder. So what does he do? tells on his son, Possum figuring fifteen year old, won't get tried as an adult pagoda juvy for a couple years and be out by his eighteenth birthday? check out the over acting by the way. Why it happened. Just visa in jail or you are mad generic. Did it.

I heard your mom pay something about a bad, but I'm not sure very, very brutal black wagon. Way, but this criminal mastermind was a little careless and trusted another inmate with his plan, travel get in trouble. Three, I believe How long is this after the transport that you all had together about roll over that it is ITALY. He was tat. He said that he was he was the boy. He about.

He was trying to say and then lighter his case back home, just scared It went a primary because he by Our such data bank with transmitter abortion of his child. hey man, lab. We'll have to talk to try, Dad you said they don't have to do much persuasion, because his words darling chow

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And he did it alone. Gallagher, slightest story comes a little more than a week after he told his mother. He didn't kill. The team body was going to quote. Take the whole thing that you spoke during jailhouse visitation that was being recorded, conquer denied ever talking to the prison, inform it never told a guy I'll, even knowing you never inevitable swaying from his old man I don't know. You never told him. They came out of a learner.

I've never seen. You never told him then Belgrade gather together even further. Now I don't know this is an publicize case and allow people just one get at it. Hours. Performance on the stand was good enough to acquit his son. What you told The are killed him for steel or for me and for for keeping our steel is shared, but there wasn't the reality out of now at a rather than just fell right at the time, but it wasn't. Why did it I mean it's not like. I wanted traded die or, if I had can't do it all right, kill him again. No, I mean it's not Couple of mine and I just felt right. I mean

I know it sounds my first knowledge shared, but it's not. If we send our test, it may be the same thing It just felt right to kill a fourteen year old boy. You demanded gonna fight because he saw some of her ass, his vice subversion. Nothin share like its future shit like a candle. Shouted Sidney reviews together But you will ultimately went back to her house when inside and had sex. I mean several times that don't remember the order. We are we, so we fix our problems. And so you have sex and then you not cigarettes, got cigarettes. One of them time clear. We want you came back again,

smoke, You told us that you also Amanda fell asleep. She fell asleep and then you went out on the couch to blame. Combat why you, rather playing mortal, combat frightening downstairs, I don't know if it came downstairs came in from the bank. Porter were where it came from, you're doing you're doing to and make microscopic little homes, and they did that it even give a fuck about two years ago, So I cannot tell you the exact thing now when I wouldn't give us then telling the truth You shouldn't be too, but God Damn in time, except for since the Raymond, since a re, Mccord Uptown job done it. I had meant everything. I've done the second life in person,

Yet here I the same story on this. And Gallagher seems to be intentionally painting himself as a monster or some other some shit Larry and say that I can say vividly. Member of that shit, that we decimated and functional member either. We remember this. Woman is a lot of shit, you notice, here's a destiny and you wanna hear it shed as what you remember you did this. It should be so far it's not hard to tell us. What do you remember? The intentional vagueness is by design after Son gets acquitted her starts his legal fight to have his murder conviction set aside, stating that he lied.

To save his son Josh Young, about month. After he's acquitted the now seventeen year old, Josh Young disappear from his foster home he's track down. By local news. Media riding out this allegedly smart kid doesn't keep oh profile. Instead, he shows up on the Doktor Phil Show, where he's forced to answer some very tough questions. Ok, Josh, I'm glad to meet. Do you have had a very storied lie for a young man and be sure understand this, you, you were five years old when her father was put in prison correct, yes, so he's in prison for ten years right, and you're living with your mother. Yes, but when you fourteen she overdosed ESA, but

then your dad, who you don't really know, gets prison petition Cps and custody of you S. You surprised the task of say and ass the water understand us. Somebody could be like that for a violent offence that long Cps, yes and Has they right back when I remember that, just two years earlier he was saying that it was all worth it. Could be with his dad. Now he's come lately dissociated himself. This brain as to the night of May tenth, yes, tell me your recollection of what happened that night. I remember we had a cook at in a man, s house and be try my father manner, a Manders breast. A couple. Other neighbourhood, kids, cassie- was there my dad's cousin Cassie. We had a cooker just seem like a normal family through fear, nothing out of. Ordinary reply rest. While we ate

finish to live a normal life, and I went to sleep. When was the last time you saw during the last time I set eyes on tray. Was win told me that he was going to go in his ass to take a shower, and I want to endorse an anthem. My dad's cousin. When do you find out that something has happened? Trays visit the next day, the school bus and Amanda and Mother Josh we're outside the city I haven't made at home what town from School Bus Oliver colonists phone? He wasn't answer You certainly have made home, they didn't say that morning either because he usually get up and go to school before they get a bright. Yes, what happens then manner that have got a phone casting about evaluating Hassebu, so the possibility, that could have been traced. Only raw freaking out weekly went to Liberty, you go to school

How did you find out? It was Trey, Trey's, Father, Terry, what you're identified the body and when he looked down at the body he kind of just he fell to the ground crying and we we knew it was trying You know it's true, but you knew nothing about it, think about his disappearance. You knew nothing about his murder. You did know, have been killed and know how he was killed. Nothing now. So what were people thinking about who killed him. A lot of people initially believe it, was my father, but he denied their. He did. Then he starts talking about this murder. Yes, what is it because lower homicide detectives and tells me unless you can sell their tastes and at this point he completely just goes off. The wall throws me into this whole situation. What did you tell him? He said that it was me killed phrase it. He was trying to get out of town had me and protect me ass. He thought it

they get arrested. I was never assess, had no reason to be assessed that was innocent they do arrest you. They arrest me fairly off of his work. You know that Trays father still thinks you're guilty. He is absolutely wrong. Did you have anything to do with that boys? Death now. Did you ever see? Like a blow on his nose, Were you there? You help move the body. You do have anything to do not in that young, wasn't the only one that had changed their story several times, There is also cause, Cassie. The call that was made by Gallagher to Cassie, with police listening in notice how

Our group is able to intimidate her and eventually make her say exactly what he wants written said. So what is the trees? What happened here

exactly, I don't know, I think they're both in on it equally will do he wake you up in the middle of the night, or did he not? Yes, he came and woke you up in the Middle EAST. I answer. Come to me I need you to help me. I gotta go fell away these. Because in this murder weapon this, the half guess you're telling the truth. Now, yes, but you ve lied repeatedly true I mean who are you people? honest to God. We ve got a child here that has been murdered, does oh buddy care. What the hell happened is no he killed. Dismay has lost his child here for story may thirteenth, you say, interview detective

Sally at her home Kersey tales police. She has no idea what happened to trade the police report, so they came to see you what you're saying the night of the murder, Young man woke you up once twice a third time to go: hide a murder, weapon and clothes. Yes, you're saying that happened, yes, ok, but didn't come forth. A child's life has been taken and you didn't come forth and tell anybody that someone had confessed that murder to you, because Didn't think that he really did it. I mean I didn't think you would actually killable that boy. Well, where we found the next day that there was a child that had been murdered. Did your weight the two up I saw him Mean I don't know what to do. You do the right thing. You tell the truth. Novel. I understand, but you tell the truth. So

What do you say on the thirteenth, then you come along and you have a certain third story ok now he's in jail and that's a phone call. We just heard so Your father says who killed re use. You did. This is your second story. You say Gallagher killed tray. Why did you say that when you got the phone call, I didn't know to say: I don't want to be in the same situation as well. Call the cops? It's you know. I just wanted to be. You know my evolve. Such a phone call in this phone call. You say to that active that Gallagher killed him you you're saying he woke up in the middle and I were the murder weapon and clothes and a plastic bag, and you drive into a dumpster to throw away. But I'll. Tell anybody that study vomit. While a child has lost there was then then you,

call here and you say girl. Did it work? Why? you saw a girl her instead of of young. I want to say why offer him while forgetting her up? I don't know What today, I didn't know what to say. He told you to say was because he was going to cover up for here s. That's why you? Maybe you don't know why you didn't know you did it because he told you this is story there. Ambushed you on the phone you didn't know which lie was current you didn't know you tell me who really do that. You didn't know where we stick with you taken of all, or are we going to tell the truth there you didn't know so then detective Raw says: ok, immunity you gonna get in trouble. When pressed, Scarcely changes the story to Josh killed, tray. He woke up three times saying he killed, try and she helped him. Take the bat and bloody close

to adoption. You think the police might have wanted to know that the next morning, yes, but you know I would have been put in jail too, and I have kids You know I didn't know, I won't be involved in all this. I didn't think you would have killed there boy, you helped. You bet. I drove him there out and help him had it. I didn't think you I mean I thought it was. You know some kind of prank well did the price. Theory kind of fall apart when they found trays body the next day I didn't know about it until so I got home from work, it occurred to you, then that you should come forward as a citizen and do the right thing. In a muddy, ditch behind a school with his head back then did it occurred?

you, then, that you should come forward as a citizen and do the right thing I wanted to. I was scared you for it. Ma am afraid of they charged little jobs, afraid trays pirates I mean you know was drug into this situation. Now. We'll be involved street Did someone come in that night and wake you up one two three times: yes And you're telling me it was Joshua yes, and he said I killed trade in a similar, the times bids us was with him, and I told the detective that Well, don't let your forced story, I've got that went up here too. I haven't got a box here, there's a forest story where you said on the third time it was both of them You say the first time it was Josh Young alone. Yes, so

time Josh Young alone ass an You just didn't want to wake up, as you thought they were just good in ok, the in time. You said it was Josh Young, then you said well. Actually it was Josh and Josh Gallagher. Remember when I remember the time when big just come in I was enormous sleek. So they woke you up and you just counted the Kurds in your Josh Young is then questioned about why Cassie would say this about him. His answer is starting Why would she say that I'll know this lady? I don't know dad dub evidence if she's saying this, because my dad made her save is I do not know, and I don't know We can motivate her so much so when I hurt me this ban. Will you mean you don't know where you said you left? The bar you gotta go sleeper house the complete

lack of morality in any of these individuals is enough to bring out murderous rage and even them passive individual during program. Doktor Phil convinces both Cassie and Joshua Young. To put this, incident behind them by taking a lie, detector test backstage to see If this final version of the story they are telling is in fact the truth he wants peace of mind. Make arrangements for it. Are you willing to take a polygraph me novel? I will A massive I arrange for we're FBI agent, Jack from Arco, to set up a polygraph for you to take to just answer to simple questions: involving the murderer, you not will you take that polygraph? I win.

If I arrange it for you Cassie, will you take their hologram fears ass? You will something you can do for you. I'm something you could do for trade. This other. Given that give his wants this happens, we will finally see that I'm not the master using Of course, it can't be a great story with a great ending. Now I understand that, despite your agreement and commitment to me on stage, you decided not to take the polygraph. This ESA tell me why I've taken to Bali in the past and I feel like one was Anita and the region elsewhere, inconclusive. Thank I why. You tell me you would take it at the time sounds like a good idea. What's a good idea in I said, I don't tell me, you're gonna, take it now and then get backstage and say well said that out there

everybody, but I'm not really gonna. Take it, because that looks really bad. I'm sorry that you passed at Opportunity up, he was a bad decision, but you you passed it up. You did taken you ever but in the end you went through with your pledge. Take two polygraph guess: why did you ever Khazar were scared? well, what can happen when I got home? What way in, as if my kids look at on the Let's take a look at the results of these are sealed I've not openness on below. So I have not read these. You were asked two questions on the same so yes, the results of the polygraph are that when you said that you took Josh, to a location to throw things away on that day in twenty eleven. That you were being deceptive on both questions. He factor deceptive.

It says you were lying, when you said that he came back to your room in the middle of the night and that you took to administer and through things away. Well, I can't believe this. I cannot believe. Well, I want to give you get away with that. Right was again you got caught out for you, less paperwork writer I think Josh Jacket was there. I mean man didn't do it by himself. Somebody hit tray and sat in the face with a lot of force. Broke his eye. Socket broke his job, somebody beating with something we don't know what kind of object it was never retreat. They beating multiple times. By the one time they gather explains in his testimony. I mean just to put it:

shortest way possible. The way I believe it happened is just we go and phrase wicker. At an adult, taken him down to a ditch bank to smoke a joint Josh. Gallagher hit my son in the side of the face while this young man finished off according to the court. Report tray was not dead, The final blow was given. They don't really know exactly when he died. But he was left there in a puddle, a blue severely b.

In April twenty fourteen and Eighteen year old, Josh Young was stayed for violently attacking his girlfriend. This was just

months after being acquitted of the murder charge. The youthful baby face now gone replaced with scruffy facial hair and a neck tattoo. According to the indictment, young left, multiple bruises to the inner part of his girlfriends upper left arm through her around in the bathroom punch, turn the stomach hard enough for her to throw up and then, a choking her and put a pillow over her face. He then told her he'd make her watch as he killed her nanny. Then he would kill her he also allegedly said. Would go into a police station and start shooting, so police would be forced to shoot him. Then in June he was guilty of contempt of court or disobeyed a judge's, no contact order and try to contact that same girlfriend from jail House telephone. Clearly, the doesn't fall far from the

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