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Opinion is that it should be abolished everywhere. I don't think that there is any reason to take He put his life even if safety, many lives themselves. I think they should be imprisoned. For the rest of their lives, with very little no frills which nothing could be more justice, then just ending their life also think but there's a lot of cases were innocent, her convicted and there have been instances where people have been killed when they were later found to be innocent so. I think that is a risk that we should be taking. That might you sense after able yourself on Facebook page. I feel I can read it. Ask you here I do

I believe that we should ask estate employee to kill someone unless that person is a threat to the safety of others. It has drawn up is only feasible that situations where the criminal is in jail and while in jail the criminal is not a threat to others. Carl, I'm from having to Washington, paying by Michael you gotta, get out of bed book about the death penalty. Pierre by God. I'm pretty staunchly again today that'll be. Why not all that way? And it clearly thinking like somebody and they like John Wayne Gayle the dire need beyond the bird, Then it will be a better thank you not guided by more interaction by actions but I had come with a level of fair, and that is why I think that there is a huge racial buyers when, in terms of food, is assigned a destiny,

and who then way, I think in America problem is that in them more people, power attended the death, invite people on a usually I'm pretty unfair terms. By putting in place the same level of color and far less arson, I mean one person and unfairly, and then I'll bet that one too many that about that brings me to abolish that. Now. Give my mind better. Have somebody bought jumps wherever they commit a crime, that it is the kill? One person didn't commit a crime, although I think to get on with it comes when people think about the tat. Probably they think that's right. Does this criminal you get murderer- have to live. I like it give it from the outset the perspective and I like to think what right does the state have to kill

huge grand here can breathing I wrote a response in the taxes monthly, magazine in reference to the death penalty and my opinion is that repeat pedophile violent offenders should receive the debt multi. They cannot be. They can't be rehabilitated. They can't be fixed high, and passionate about the death penalty, because I know so many people, just two the challenge. Of course, Open is that the people who definitely deserve to die pay the files- you know mass murderers sucks said a goes without a guide, but there were so many nor more people caught up in circumstances beyond their control, trouble for Northern Ireland, and I saw at first hand I people could be lifted from them

I am for no reason for no reason not to gain Catholic and thereby got the jail for years and years and years, and you know it area, so fission of having the name the intended by it even go. There's nothing to be gained by. I should grow older. You realize you know what is wrong or form with the world, but you can be something you can pay. I dont know what it s in Amerika, the Yukon belong just turn gang or the certainty of certain culture, and if you do not have the money If you do not have the interference with very important people that you were just off by society. Time and time again we say very, very, very rich people getting away with murder. But you get young people who are you know don't have to.

Asked start in life. You don't have the best support system, I don't have the bastard anything whatsoever and they are canned goods and they are led a mayor proven the situation or vacantly nothin they survive and that survival get them into trouble. Jimmy no corner for Northern Ireland, the injustice thinking stinking system or If you are certainly junior automatically members, they forgot and you're in the budget. Individuality is lost. You know you ve, gotta, take us in the configuration. All I can say is on account of the death penalty. As you know, there are many people released again and then again in America and other parts of the world who are truly truly and yet they ve been incarcerated for thirty tunnies with ten years wrong. Guy

regarding need a penalty, I believe it is. Nowadays he saw dance, the others the person being convicted and sentenced to death that's very minimal, so I believe the death penalty came certain certain situations Crimes like that of the biggest thing is is I believe she done quickest and most painless way possible. There is no reason to have them: suffer Lamb,

they need this in all these begun and they need to MILAN welcome assorted scale, absurd. Forty three, a show that reveals that the worst masters are real. This is the second part to a two part story. If you haven't heard episode, forty two yet go back and listen to that. First. This is the story of a man by the name of Rodney Reed, who has been sitting on death row waiting for his penny execution for eighteen years. The problem is how accounts he seems to be innocent of crime in this highly controversial episode of sword and scale will govern these details behind the crime of possible suspects and Rodney Red himself. If you think our criminal justice system is so advanced that it's impossible to execute an innocent man, this episode, just my change your mind,

when they said guilty. What did you think it was? It was kind of a no kidding. I really can express how what I was thinking. It seems like a wooden legs. You know what the hell's really gone. I wasn't gonna act out another. My back, and I was on my mind. It is unbelievable that hopefully this first, let's examine the timeline. The states argument as this is that Stacy States had a three thirty. I am shifted a grocery store and that she would have gotten up round to fifty or so and would have headed out to master, although Jimmy says that she would never sought for anyone. Somehow Roddy read a stranger to her in the middle of the night was able to get into the truck

physically overcome her drive to the scene, where her body was found, rape and murder, her leave her body in the brush and then abandon the truck. In the backdrop Highschool parking lot which was about a half a mile from his home that all happened somewhere between three. Fifteen or so in the morning. And five twenty three in the in the morning this time line, which is crucial to the states case, seems to directly contradict the friends again. What happens after you die? Is that the capillaries, where your blood is start, a breakdown and your blood begins to pool with gravity, and so, if a person has been dead and they're lying down on the floor, they will get these very pronounced red splotches on their back, and that shows that the blood has pulled. One

that blood begins to pool and fixes it stays there. That's a process that takes forty six hours. What we see when we say when we look at Stacy States body is we see this readiness on the top of her on her shoulder on her neck on the side of her face? That is inconsistent with gravity and what a train forensic investigator was tell you is that that is a key sign. Undeniably, that this is a body. That's been moved some of the nation's top forensic pathologist, who have reviewed this case after the fact agree, this finding, after Werner spits noted, it is possible First Stacy States to have been murdered and left at the scene in the two, our time window, that the state asserts. So when did she die, according to Doktor, Michael Boden, it would have had to have been before midnight when, according to her fiance Jimmy for now, she was at home alone with him

additional observations by doktor spits are as follows. My review shows evidence of decomposition that is not consistent with a time of death at three a m on April twenty third, ninety, ninety six, the body is described as having green discoloration, which can be seen in the video. The appearance of the breasts after the brides removed shows gas formation. The abdomen does not appear flat. There is skin slippage in several places. What is described at autopsy asked postmortem firms in the face breasts and other areas is also likely skin slippage, in which the top layer of the skin has dried. What has been described as tv and the scalp are none other than small, torn blood vessels in the process of reflection of the scalp brown fluid running from the mouth and nose across the right cheek is de compositional. Fluid and is not described in the autopsy report. Internal organs also show evidence of decomposition what doktor be yard O describes, as congestion in the lungs is actually de composition. The heart is flabby in the blood is liquid after liquefaction, which is part of the d composition process, brain swell

is also part of the composition. This amount of decomposition supports a post mortem interval of about two, need to twenty four hours before the film and photographs which were taken at around four thirty p m April, twenty third, ninety ninety six, a day after her death. This is the issue, and this is really what's raised by the new evidence that the States Timeline is based entirely on Geneva. Now who who even under these states impression, was asleep at the time. It appears that the Travis County medical Examiner Doktor Robert Boiardo, who conducted the initial forensic examination of states body inadvertently, help support the states timeline with his testimony, and he now regrets doing so. He said if the prosecuting attorney had advised me that they intended to use my time of death estimate as scientifically reliable opinion of web sites died. I would advise them not. To do so.

In addition, by yard over cats, much of his expert testimony, including how long Rodney red sperm could have remained intact in sight Stacy States at trial. He had stated the deposit of sperm had happened quite recently. He now states Accordingly, in my professional opinion, the spur Mozilla I found in Stacy States, virginal cavity could have been deposited days, for her death. Further. The fact that I found very few spur Mozilla and Miss States, virginal cavity suggests the spermatozoa was not deposited less than twenty four hours before Miss states. Death deeply Crime lab technician. Karen blankly, who examined a smear slide from virginal swabs, reported finding only three intact sperm boracic, but while he was old D. That was the only physical evidence.

And, in our opinion, just wasn't enough. Send a man to do that Remember that eighteen by twenty photo of states anus that the jury was subjected to the kind thing that is so inflammatory that it makes jurors? Think someone has? the pay. Well, it turns out that could just be some bad forensics too, thought we had the crime scene date but apparently there's a lot of take. It wasn't provided to us that it shows could have been cross contamination because, in effect came a big issue with the jury, big big issue and but it shows where cross contamination could have taken place, during that forensic investigation, because let not changing gloves when touching other parts of the body that same dp, US crime, lab technician. Karen blankly is not shown changing gloves at any point during the crime scene, examination of the body,

contamination from the vagina and anus could have easily occurred because of her sloppy work. In addition, the this was not examined until a day after the body was recovered, point, Miss States had been dead for more than thirty six hours. Rigour more would have been passing at this time and after that, happens the anus dilates on its own and boiardo initial testimony. He stated that rectum does not dilate until very late in the stages of body de composition, and that usually occurs after four or five days a state. Which is in fact simply true duck. Baden and Riddick provide an explanation as to how Ronnie Red Sperm could Been swathed from states, anus, distended, anus scene, photographs and described at autopsy is normal in consideration of the absence of rigidity. Is a common mistake for death two gaiters to misinterpret natural relaxation of the sphincter as evidence of penetration there are no, Apparently, aspirations in the photograph of the anus, if lacerations

present, they would be visible. Abrasions described at autopsy are not evidence of anal assault and are equally consistent with hard bow movements, the presence of a small. Amount of sperm in the rectum is not surprising and does not contradict my conclusion that there is no evidence of anal penetration. In this case, when seamen is present in the body that can drained from the vagina into the dilated anus. I've seen this happen in a number of cases, contamination of the rectal swab by vegetal content is also a concern, especially in cases where national swabs are collected prior to the taking of rectal specimens? All yours that we were aiming partisan? Was the demon finally made the DNA made the case against run. I mean that that's it. It wouldn't matter whatever other stuff. We came up with a whatever dna. Was the big issue,

convicted. But whereas DNA was present, that would bolster the states case. It was missing or otherwise unavailable where it would assist the defence of Rodney read there was Let me read was ever in in that picked up the truck the truck. The truck that was handed back to the boy friend. The cop That was handed back to the boy friend the cop the fiance. Prime suspect, in the appearance and murder of He states less than a week. After the murder. This tree, had dna from two people: Stacy tights in Jimmy Finance Rodney reads: DNA was not in around the truck Ronnie was so brilliant. This mad at me, just so bright. That he was able to wipe only his finger prints off this. Wasn't it

the two other sea area and prosecuted. Why me? Why that his own fingerprints off the track- and I found on the truck, which was heard and gems in it, but he would now yeah. He wiped his only its have through this shortly unavailable to the defence or anything Their tests, because it was handed back to Jimmy for now so days after it was discovered before any forensic testing had been completed. How do you plain that our member at salmonella, the detective that had been made the lead investigator in this case and wound up. Four months later he had scribes a viscous fluid passenger floorboard in the transmission hump. This description compatible with de compositional fluid, which means that Stacy States would have had to have been dead for hours before being waste in the Triad Samoa is an investigative whose a detective

Herman David Board attitude attackers for the bathroom polish farmers and smelling Who was assigned to this case that's your Mama's report. I walked around and unlocked the passenger side door. Using Jimmy's keys, and then I opened it without disturbing any evidence it might have been left by the suspect after opening the passenger side door, I started looking for any evidence at the suspect, slash Spock might have left on sent her home. I notice what what looked him some type of white body fluid here this. Why absence was still work, How long in the states theory could she have been in the past? for one hour. Ronnie had a duck and killed her. She gave them their way in that short amount of time other if she was killed at some other location and driven to that thing,

in short, amount of time other if he was killed at some other location and driven to that thing or whether she was forced to drive their whatever happened, which we likely will never know. Then, in that What about a time that all this sort of violence? no evidence one upon the floor in the form of some mucus e staff, which you start to dry and in your body drains alive. You know what would have happened in that short amount of time. I got all the discharge. Mucus discharge, mucus discharge, this non begin open a body in two hours at work, the wise every crime scene, say you'd, see the body with these fluids running everywhere. What's IRAN or too little hand right, that's just use rule can spot right above the tooth on the gun. When you see it in blow up. It looks like a little BB sized piece, one of those pieces of caramel coated pop.

And they're all over the passenger, floorboard Rollo Mucus, says, and what does that tell you tell you she was. Face down on as long as if the DNA evidence has been damning enough. Doctors, but the yard owes testimony sealed Romney's fate. He, for example, may. This claim that that She had been sodomized and there I don't think there was any proof that she was sodomize. It didn't find sperm then he suddenly decides wise, testifying at there was sperm near her anus or that comes from You know that there was this. I guess it was a scratch near rain is her whatever that it was then suddenly tearing cushy been sodomy that mean that this didn't make any sense anyway. The fact of the matter is that in twenty fifteen there's a lot of subjective forensic information,

Would you bet your life on? It is if you look at the lecture and these pictures to wrong color if she had guy from ligature strangulation, now the ligature had been found honour, bound different story, because, as you know, her heart would stop bleed beating and then you, Astronomy, may be seen at this stage, is down. You been long, then, when this, like a Europe based on a MAC confronted by art about that engender showing Look at the migratory caliphs grow postmortem a set of clear should honour suffocation borrow my report back on me. Strangulation suffocation to workers are not the same. Somewhere talk about. Let's talk about that we're talking about impressions

she says what I rights says very difficult, as you know, to tell the difference between strangulation of suffocation. Now I said them, so I just guest. Amounts on death row. He says he just cast and even though there was sent their withdrawn, I evidence. Do you believe that? No, I don't have the campaign, I mean. What I do know is that the very personally spoke maintain. Those cases. Is David boy he's no longer on the police? What would I understand? But I think that this means that needs to be looked into his well, because I believe it is not true. There are so many problems with this case cleaning unanswered. Questions about the handling of the body look at the pictures of the crime, saying what real evidence is that

she was not assaulted. The dead sea, worship. Her body was found. It is quite evident from from the pictures they're dead. The body was not drug, it was dropped. Secondly, in Pickup truck went and when they found it, they found her vast that she wore eighty be with our name carrying on, but yet what one point when the crimes king, were working with her body. They rolled over her name came was stuck between her knees. Now that get there by accident at one time, a second time helping both bothers me, because you ve seen the photos right of of the crime scene, photos where they may have a hand up like. Isn't it a big picture, just over fingers

and their rag. It I mean I'm a male biter, ok, but my nails. Don't even look that ragged minute pre ragged, but not that ragged, their jagged edges they're, not file and they're so far down. I mean they're like down a country, the quiet you now Why would you the thing, and now the team you from getting evidence. Yet mindedly does no fingerprints. Now air now footprints, normally flip president was found was the year of footprint of their own offices. Walkin Randal contaminated the clans, but his father then premeditated? I don't think so. I think there were some after thoughts that were quickly thought about at the time after the body was, will stop there,

and maybe not alone. Maybe there was collaboration after the murder itself. This is the Travis County, and these login logout Sheep replaces died brought in by Marcus, whatever their m J and came home last drop nano this body's evidence I've changed custody with this body. Everything Miss bond of that could happen to damage office now squash animal mechanical. Anybody done anything of speaking of chains of custody. According to documents discovered by backdrop, county volunteer, citizen, sleuth, David Fisher. It appears that the of custody was broken for dna evidence that could have bolstered reads: claim of innocence and created reasonable doubt in the jurors mines. Specifically,

shipping labels that the Texas Department of Safety said were used to ship blood and other evidence to California. For dna testing by the defences DNA expert do not the records kept by the shipping company airborne spress. In addition, according the court, document. There is no record that defence expert ever tested the dna samples in question, an incompetent or inadequate defence is grounds for an appeal. But this isn't the only thing pointing towards reads: innocence. Remember that your cans found near the body when Rodney finally got a copy of that rip on throw you went through the exam some found a may thirteenth lab report issued by the GPS. Now the May thirteen was the second to the last day of the avenue, Jerry phase of the trial, he had never seen it. The report, were centred around TAT dna test on some beer cans found the vicinity of the girls body. The results,

here to be a mixture of dna on the bare one of the barricades to mete out of the victim and to police officers, one officer was the partner of the boyfriend was using gettings in Lebanon, store to him within I shot him David Hall second place officer was an Samantha who was the first officer in the investigation of the disappearance of Stacy morning. She was reported missing three months. For he conducted is a national investigation. He died of a gunshot wound. I was declared self inflicted. I knew something whole time, I'm thinking in my mind, while when they convicted me, when I was already knew about the police officers and you're being suspects and and all this loving about the time to trial, and I threw the tylenol and I'm still trying to place how? What day does police officers come in wasn't until I got over. The hearing was win

so that DNA Lab report in the state response to my right: there the Cannes word right and shining, They were lying on top of everything. There were no leaves autumn. They had not been son. Faded in any way Secondly, as you can see this Rosa, dusty road and air, Those beer cans had been there any length of time. There would have been to have particularly the one was crumpled. Head dirt in the crisis Oh no one. Any dark in the case of those were fresh beer gave the report never got to the defence lawyer, the prosecution and seriously. They certainly headed. They knew about it. They think it is very important, but they if they didn't get it in advance. What does it mean?

but he should be able to recall some information been detrimental to case. You know themselves up in it, in it. That's incriminating two aspects, namely police officers. I think I know that there were just lie about that. One thing at each other to try to cover their I've gotten. You know These letters it came out in the paper on DNA. You know testing Your can and then having. David Hall and had some was dna on it. I know it, but he's heard that number one is. I want to know what to police officer don't drink. Another same bear. Can that you no good to me? That's that's! Just absurd I feel I'm not sure, but I feel, like I've been placed on the scene for further If someone got ally, I think about it, for a second to some a crime scene within miles of each other, a similar set of beer cans at each seen. Tumor,

convictions if Rodney Red wasn't responsible for the murder of Stacy States, then who's to say David LAW who really killed Mary Ann Arnold. Maybe there killer of both of these women was, in the backdrop police department. I remember was a time of Stacy simply come with marijuana, and one minute traded me, no one. The trade for cocaine, crack cocaine. And I was one and where would you give notice marijuana and our members? her telling me Edward She said Edward and I know it's the Miller by aid. You were when you mention age, say his name. You will know we talk about its mother, she was. Over narcotics, vanished vision, a bachelor what you said, Edward out again Okey will that nobody name and It didn't been down that it was him

came back then he was one of them the aspect of the fort cops, the anonymous witness alleges she saw outside her home, the night of Stacy's death. One of them is ed and two were arrested at some l is alleged. Suicide was mysterious and left nothing, but questions David Board, the directive, who had presented, read as a possible suspect, would eventual become backdrop police chief into them. And ten he was arrested for driving with a point two to seven blood alcohol level, nearly three times the legal limit of point zero, eight in Texas, apparent This was in his first time driving under the influence records. Show that board was victims of driving, while intoxicated in backdrop in nineteen. Eighty five, only one out of the four is still in law enforcement, and that would be rocky Ward low. Who is now the assistant chief of police for the Texas Rangers then The boy friend Jimmy for now the man many think actually murdered Stacy shortly your Stacy's body was found

gives administered to separate polygraph tests on four. Now what October third and one on December eighteenth. He fail both of them. The now said he had failed the polygraph because he was so distraught over her fiance death. Then for an attorney the question the polygraph showed he was being deceptive, was did strangle states states, but somehow, Rodney Red, ended up the one on death row for murder, because the jury was never convinced that he and Stacy knew each other. We know a lot of witnesses trying to come forward, but they were. You know friend, sent one of the women It was told by the prosecution to go to court ruled by the time tat. She asked the gardener right coronary. What would you like? Parliament referred I mean they're worth of witnesses who did want to come forward, but they were deemed has being incredible because they had a drug charge on their record or because they were widely family member. What are they? told me like one who else would know he was screw and other than family members, but you can't

a family member and speak up warm because you're probably lying protect your family farming. There were people that came forward and wandered today something but then you know, I think token. There are a whole lot of people also that new that were afraid, because of the way things are handled in vast rob, but even still you know the bell bombs. Lady MRS K came forward. Oh, she was gag issues, Bell Bondman, but then Julie S days, which is a lady to on the bar. They said she was incredible, they said, its other woman, was incredible iris because local, she said Iris was on the porch Andrews one time whenever any becomes over an and basically he's asked on the stand this girl that came over an Irish, unsure, just being nervous and not

totally know when she felt Stephanie owning Stacy, so they all. We discredited her because she said Stephanie instead of Stacy were eleven sworn witnesses, ready to testify that red and states had been seen kissing, holding hands, etc only two were called to the stand, and one got her name RON reads: Crimson History includes three charges for sexual assault, one for chrome. Attempt and Four unauthorized use of a motor vehicle Our filed the same day just prior to read, murder trial and there I spoke to Julie Stricklin, whose known Rodney for almost three decades to find out the actual Stricklin, whose known Rodney for almost three decades to find out the actual character of this man, Manila Julie, Stricklin. I have no rod me since then. Eighties whenever his family and I were living in the town of which all falls taxes by He had a brand names got grace who was living in which it all dad owned a piping company,

got was at work one day, one Scott and harry. What's come over here to my friends out and meet him for my friends got in that meeting, Roderick read: well there later Scott introduces me and my younger brother Jeremy, to breathe and soda pretty much how I met them and, though, like I said as the late eighty ease, so we spent often on for a couple of years. Just hang out that time when our theory hang out that's the deal and watched all Baldwin's current quote crowded around now you just build up, your car at a dollar a gallon road around and we would hang out at the red. Thou can play domino door, would hang out and run these butter Richard Room who always was exam? doing DJ, Robin and stuff like that, you know or we go play pool or of Basically, hang it now and then

I graduated from high school. I left town went off, it's cool came back to which it all up. All I heard had moved about raw. Coincidentally, I was moving to us then actually made the trip from off into bass drop a couple of times too but the red. But at that time I was pretty young and pretty born, fell in a really long way to drive, though I am not with them a couple of times and backdrop that then It's kind of got on with my life, another being girl till he describes first hearing about this case. I had heard I had heard briefly for end. What's wrong, chop off as well say and hey? I saw that red with on the news for murder, unlike air whatever, of. I know I've been really paying any attention at all, because that's, I was just

there was no way knowing the red and spending as much time as I did with them, but any of them could ever martyrs somebody. So I didn't even paid any attention or family years later, heard him once more into paying attention to the new, then haven't seen on the news again invite only crack in the same way that I know you on that what kind of looked into it gave a little there won't. What went through your mind, then I mean you're, seeing friends of thirty years on the news is shot. I was shocked. I was mainly shot. My thought was this can't be true. I on from war left, and tat was worthwhile, but I'm an impact was about three years old go on from me. I'm a welcome here. I grew up in background Henrietta. The main reason I went from being created, which stop all my senior year could I was raised in the thick of the closed. Mindedness though it real, We need them.

You know black man can be on death row and I just work. Good, I'm watching on the news and see and because he would wear the white girl that would engaged will wipe out in the white girl dead and it doesn't take her. A walk advisers to figure out. Could possibly be frank for that and more found backwardness. Though I looked into his it's a little bit. I didn't look to all the that's veto. Otherwise we can. I just knew that he didn't do it, but I knew that I spent a lot of time with them and I just there is no way that you could have done anything like that, Julius certain to me for no was the real killer. I have no doubt I have no doubt at all. No doubt in my mind,. He totally murdered her. Violently murdered her. I think crunched her advocated her drug around. That's why she has ligature mark on her neck. She was strangled with a belt

Canada with a pillow and then put the belt around them back to drag around its duffer into the car he took on her clothes out. All of her clothes were found in Baghdad. Dumpster. One thing we haven't touched much upon is the true character of the fiance Jimmy for now. Two thousand seven financial still occur With the Georgetown Police Department was called to domestic, disturbance, Silas, twenty years old, went and Georgetown taxes. Me on my boy, friend until our friends were probably get together an drinking one night. Me and my boyfriend started arguing and I took off out of our friend the apartments and ran downstairs rat onto the parking lot in. He chase ass chief after me in

we started, fighting in arguing and yelling at each other, and to the point that the neighbors called the George now police Department, her disturbance, three police office, COP Carter, showed up and finance was one of them. They are, they said rated me my boyfriend. They took him to the side and canal Let me say now: Junior actually, as the police officer, who pulled me to the side and started talking to me, and then they ended up swapping the officers they said Jimmy for now, Junior went over to my boyfriend and the other police officer came to me and I, SAM, for now Junior started questioning my boyfriend of how I was intoxicated because we were under age and he told us that you know I got drunk at my job. We didn't want to get our friends in trouble because they were of age. And he asked what idea than he told them that I was. The answer

Oh, they arrested my boyfriend republic intoxication who, at the time, was in the military. So they took him tat the church Help Police department then booked him. Well, It left me alone at the apartment, complex and Georgetown. Jimmy SNL Junior and he At that time told me, that they didn't around my boyfriend that they had actually just and into a hotel room, to separate a program like so that the com rotation didn't get any worse and I was pretty hysterical and free can out about then taken him I asked you know, can you come back? Can you bring them back and he told me no, and he said that. However, he would take me to him and drop me off there so he opened the front of his police vehicle and I got

The fraud at me turn the heater on because I was cold, so kept me warm and with the drive, and while at that point I wasn't very slow familiar with Georgetown Tax applied. It was very very long, so I really had no clue. You know where you're going wrong direction or not and he ended up. Take meta. A kind of hark area it pretty much was like a jogging play said a strip of sea Manton. You know tat yes and grasping star, and he asked me to do we have also, I am, I sat down, heck Owen, asked him. You know what was going on. What we're doing, how come you up? taken either the hotel and that when he proceeded to ask me to dance her him and I told them now- but I wouldn't that is why I told him now it made him courage he inquiry so

He then grabbed me and slammed me up against the back of his patrol car. And he took it the Bell tat- they had like their guns and their weapons and stuff on it, and he slowly eventually started pointing out what each thing on his belt was, and he took his gun out. Against my head and he bade me. He had sexual intercourse with me. And I can tell him now and he wouldn't thought and. After he was done, he put me back until the patrol car and told me that if I ever told anybody that when he got out of prison, he would hardly down, and he would kill me so He then gave me this is the SEC part. He then gave me his purse no card and took me back

heal the apartments and told me that I was gonna, be a good girl and keep my mouth shut and that I was gonna, Tomorrow and after he went to his child soccer game with his wife, he come back and pick me up than here. Watched me, walk all the way back to the apartment, went up the stairs and scepter in patrol car until I been gone my front door, they open, I went inside and we called nine when one task and hurried kit, than what I had done? What had happened, and I would back outside, waiting for the ambulance, because it was a very big apartment complex you know it could caused confusion I went back outside. I was on the phone with no one, while waiting for the ambulance to show up and Jim NL, Junior and the other fellow officer. That was with him on the first call holding on to the harming complex, so Took off running and screaming

the fund with nine one wine asking then how come they sent the same office there that I had just told them raped me, and does that very confused. Failing that they didn't this balcony officers. They are. Dispatched an ambulance. Golf running. They got out of the cars and took off chasing the on foot the officers. And I went up stairs corner, then pretty much- and I was way to go back down without going through the police officers and one of them walked out and grabbed my phone out of my hand and hung hung up on nine one one, and I kept I was looking around. I couldn't see Jimmy Financial anywhere, so very days confuse cause. I fall in Poland so that point the Doctors told me that I was under arrest for public intoxication. Put me back, one other patrol cars and he and have an effect

I was in custody in they shut the door. Jimmy Finesse Junior came out hiding from behind the tree. They had hit em get me to come down the staircase, they arrive Didn't you took me to jail before the ambulance could get ere. I out, as we were, exiting the apartments the ambulance pull back in Jimmy Fidel Junior, went and was talking to the ambulance. Andy He took me to genuine help me in jail cell for nine hours until some detective showed up and got me out and took me to a hospital another count for right kit motors person, with his personality like during this whole thing at the park very aggressive and it was almost ass. If he had a grudge against me like almost as if he knew me like he hated like. I had done

the thing tat can make him that he didn't act like it. He definitely don't act like it was his first time being very you know mean and hurtful toward the woman. Seemed very comfortable. They him. He didn't see nervous about it. He didn t nervous about the surrounding I mean we were in plain plain sight: we're in a secluded park but plain site any we could have walked by anybody, could address by and watched the whole thing go on. There was no trees covering me there weren't. There was nothing and He was very angry, especially one, told him now when I told him now as well. Here it is- it was almost like a temper. He came out and then, when he grabbed me and through it against the patrol car very forcefully and It made a mad extremely now that told him now we're part of it. Patrol hardly tell you up against.

You threw me the bat between the door. In the end, the car on the trunk, behind it, but you know kind asylum Between the door, in the end, the car on the trunk to where I was- up against my feet sit down. He had holding my face down with. One of his hands. Pretty much had his entire body up against me twice. He still had power and control, but still restrain me did you feel like you were on overmatched. You know ways of fighting. This is where is now one year there there is between. I mean here that fairly, you know decent five guys here between the body weight and the fear, of what would happen unfortunate, me, I didn't, I didn't fight back. I had been drinking silhouette, alcohol in my system,

You may be surprised how quickly were uptown and he had his gun, mean his bow was completely laid out in front of me on the trunk of a car. So in plain sight, and he had taken his weapon. And out of it and actually placed it next to my hat so, between his body way and the fear of what he would do without gotten. If I fought back, I didn't I kept telling them now when I was crying in him. Shut up by. How long it was it was very disturbing. It was almost like he would ask anything like does that feel good, Phil guide you now. You gonna tell me now again like very controlling over this

situation as if he had to feel like he was and control how long this event happened. Do not take place, have arrived. I honestly cannon through that it seemed like at last forever to me no, the evidence that the district attorney and everybody pulled up was that he was off of his monitor for two hours for it seemed like a lifetime to me with this programme dead. Did he finnish inside of you? It was unprotected I can't answer. If he finished inside me, they found no traces of seamen inside. Me in the rape kit I dont know how he managed to pull it off, but somehow they didn't find any other

than the rate care they could tell. But there were sexual, Nutrition and that it was wrong by as far as traces hair or seen in. They did not find anything off my clothing or my body they did find going marks on the back of his car and mice yes and print in my hand, imprint, because, obviously, as soon as I told them, they went and took his car problem. For he could watch it. It fine traces of my hair in the front seat by is hot. As any kind of dna or seamen samples, there were none. I could not find tracer. He ever physically touched. My body You get the feeling that he may have done this. Did he had done it? before he said and what it will be. But what made you think that. He was to come trouble in the situation

like you can the situation at length he knew it was like he did a sloppy job at what he did. Think, because he honestly believe I was scared enough because he was the law that I wouldn't think meeting by. He was too controversial, extremely true, comfortable with it there is no! You wouldn't know where there was no paranoid. There was absolutely no like he had no concern in the world for a man who was right being. A woman in plain sight on duty. No concern in the world know no nervousness nothing just as if it is what it was he didn't struggle. He, gonna mumble words. It was almost ass if he, which is impossible, but some of us if he would have premeditated it here

what to say how to say it how to play it out. He caught me off guard when he threw me up against us, got me in a way to where I couldn't fight back? It had been impossible. And he had me face forward on his patrol vehicle restraining me There would have been no possible way unless I was strong enough to push back to get him off of me to claw him to do anything in that nature. And, in my personal opinion, Was the you know if that was just the first time it had happened or something like that. I don't it would have worked out. That way, I would have thought I would think that would at least be some nervousness at least that expansion the surroundings and the circumstance. Seven! All of that that took part in it

That's really nothing I mean he even took me home and dropped me off now is got your first time Why didn't he led me there and flee? It would have taken you. To get to help clear out there. Then delivering me to my house in two thousand and four no blood guilty to reduce charges in connection with the rape of the twenty year old and was set. Ten years in prison is scheduled for release in September. Two thousand eighteen, you had some problems. It away. Did your sampling, carving handle this case? You ve gotta went through it just generally speaking, How do you feel about how to handle this case? For you, in your perspective, I think they are.

I don't think they get handle where I think they covered their asses its away. I think I don't feel for one second, that this was ever turn to them. I feel that it may have been a concern for their own protection in their own dirty little secrets, but never be. As of one of their officers geared to a citizen, you know like very serious that there were other girls who came. During the time that this is all going through. Some of em claimed that you know they did. He did make em house. Welcome and stuff, and one of them even said that she went around our police department to file it. My incident happened. They went back to trace all that. There was never sing all trace of any of these women ever filing complaints ever.

You know it. It's like the Georgetown Police Department had an excuse for everything they happen. You know they were unaware of his previous criminal history, even staff in. You know all of that in its just numerous people coming to them, stating you know this officer. This officer this officer has done, is to me and it's it's like. They just turn their back to it and Happy something about it at that time,. This probably wouldn't never happened. They handled in a very poor manner. The second tat we had a lawsuit against them. They were the first one to be trying to settle without a court to shut me up. You're gonna go public, their concern never what was in the best interest of me or what he did to me. It was getting me out of the new getting me out of the district attorney's office, getting me out over a lawsuit

these office so that they can go on with their life and forget it ever happened he knew nothing about the Stacey States, murder or any before this happened: cracked, where it happened. Now, after it and I have actually done a fair share amount of research on the theses, type murdering. Actually you in front with one of her best friend now what does that? Have you reacted to learning about that gazing? How that affected you and you're and Sir your perspective that the the assault against you. It scares me. I ain't really scared me and I've. I've done. My area search on it and, besides you know

Either, what happened to me? I really don't That right me read guilty. There's too much evidence pointing towards Jimmy for now And I believe that, had they have handled that the way there properly should have been handled. He would have been off the street. A long time ago. And a lot of people's life would have been different jubilee based upon what he did the he would be capable of killing his killing his girlfriend fiance answer absolutely Ideal, a hundred in twenty percent based off of White Jimmy financing. I've done me and the expected that I went through with him. I think that man

more than capable of murder. And he and murdering Stacy Sites, I'm hundred percent positive that he's her murder murder, you afraid of his release a little bit about that And how about being handled in how you deal with it?. I'm scared, to be early. Everybody said Karen says. You know oh well, he he won't do it, There's no evidence pointing that he's responsible for any of these murders, or you know, he'll, be unchecked supervision and he leaves this day you'll be first want now in all of this- and you know in the back of my head. All I can picture is a gun to my head and the last things he said he and ice. I honestly,

of those people are doing where a psychopath. I honest de I I believe that. I mean even at my own trial, he pleaded guilty on his own And didn't even show and out of emotion in the courtroom bottom at All- and I am terrified what he promised me he would do if they were leave him, he will do it and everybody says you know well here, there's no evidence pointing that he's he's responsible for sea Murder- and you know he won't come after him. He won't do that. Ok, will that true, true but what, if they're wrong? two dead women. Three dead women, before they put him away and realized what kind of monster he truly is

Do they need actual dna on all on one of us you know we're sitting in a more the connect until it and put him away, I mean, He did come and murder me here. They gonna come and arrest my boyfriend because he had sex with you today before his Siemens and me is Look at you know so, yeah, I'm a little scared, I'm I'm a little scared, the fact There is a man who wants me there, and he told me that and whether they believe it or not, our court system, they then have to sit. There was a gun to their head. I did they just sit there and red what's in front of them on a piece of paper of what somebody else told them, they think they know they didn't have to go through that. I had to go through that. How do they know he's? Not a monitor, how do they know he's not capable of doing things because mark about it. That mean piece, you know, I'm terrified,

The way we handle thing is just: absolutely unreal, like what's gonna happen to me when he gets out am gonna be a murderer. That's been unsolved for sixteen seventeen years. Why? My boyfriend took on death row. Oh yeah, I'm I'm unterrified, think that he should have to serve his entire. For I think they should reopen the Rodney Red case and at least Let it be retried because like you, is a scenario. Gonna go one they're going to prove that he still guilty life goes back to the way it was or to they're gonna find out that they got it innocent man in prison.

The right one there and saved. Who knows how many life Rodney Reed lawyer's first appealed on his behalf in November, one thousand nine hundred and ninety nine, if appealed several more times in the ensuing years. Finally, filing their sixth and final appeal on February 13th, two thousand and fifteen, all the appeals have failed.

James. We still have a system where now color are guilty before being proven innocent, where their picked up and land or they are kidnapped. I robbed of their lives, they are kidnapped, stolen and sold today presents still use. Inmates were free, labour or profit. So tell me what has changed and estates call ourselves, the leader of the free world and a civilized nation when we actually leads the world in a number of people that we have incarcerate so who is that free for we are still lacking in executing innocent people? How is that civilized me? What has changed time, where this system of injustice do all that we set fire racist classes system holding the ideal of these boys southern mentality, time for this system in cages, men have collar labour being men of color to just days before widely read was scheduled to die in Texas States by a court issued a stay of execution order came down in response to be final appeal, citing new and compelling evidence that challenge the States timeline of events

in any six murder of nineteen year old Stacy States say right now we're waiting for easier, to issue a reason why they issued a stray. So basically Ronnie attorneys wrote the Haiti is writ with all the new information, what the two witnesses with the medical examiners File, bat the aid granted to day day file bear respond to that writ and then the thief, the ages that way there they are now a broad these days are reviewing it and they will have a anther by the end. April as to why they issued this day and if they want and evident here a hearing back and backdrop county or if they want bathroom county to reassure you an execution date sober

but right now we're just wait and on the fifty eight you why it and which are, I think, I'd message to you is odd. If EPA seldom in issues days and even more seldom issued. Stay without a reason, what do you think I'm happy why just iron me and I really hope that everything the Bay Data there, to be in evidence she airy hearing and then there's a hearing for a lot of it new information to come out, that's what I really hope. Rapid that I have to put my after, but my energy towards that, though I may I dont good. I honestly don't put it that they did, that continue undercover open in the executing young. I don't do that. Because that's just the way they operate but on the other hand- and I really hope that new governor doesn't take the same path as allows

Haven't did and hopefully sets a new president forget and doing what he said he was gonna do during his election, which one to make sure the criminal justice system works, and if anybody is gonna be executed, women it has every bit of possible dna evidence areas, that's what he said running up, and so here first opportunity to do just that This is your friend of thirty years. Are you I can imagine what what you must be thinking. Are you from as for the eventuality or the possibility, you I mean you know about the huge and I was gonna, be a couple of ago, and so you know We do not want to be as far away from the place if it ever happens. I want to be sitting on the beach at the moon, listening to the wave and you're trying peace send positive energy that way, but the light really is held out. I had no idea that writing that letter all those years ago that it would still be up

why I really thought that and over years ago that the truth would have come out and that he would have been out and he would be on with his life. I had no idea that it would take. This one woman come down to the wire and I'm gone as big as it is really had no idea, but my heart ached for am I try to do everything that I possibly can to every moment, but he's in there. You know happy one. I think it's old gentleman I put money on his account. I've been in letters everyday in art in future in book of actually get the newspaper every day Do everything that I bought the began? make sure that he is having the best Why did he can have in that nine by six cage do run these families prepared if the worst were to happen I don't know I mean I really like. I said I have a very big,

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but we were finishing his two part story. Some new information came to light in an affidavit filed by the states highest criminal court, Red Rock resident Cabin Buddy Horton, who happens to be Stacy States cousin or was anyway, has come forward to say that he saw states and read at a dairy queen and bass drop in nineteen. Ninety five months before prosecutor, say real rates and murdered States Orton recounts a day and late fall. Ninety ninety five, when he took his children to the dairy queen in basque drop in size, cousin states with a black man, he called out to states, but she looked embarrassed and quickly left with the man without saying hello to Horton or as children following states, death Orton says in the affidavit that he saw images of red in the news and knew he was the same man. He saw states with that day or said he would have testified to seeing states can read together at a trial, but no one ever approached him about it and he after David he states because of this information and Stacy's behaviour at this time in her life. I have always believed Mister Reed story that he had a relationship with my cousin Stacy, despite the unfortunate pain it brings upon my aunt Carol. I do not wish

the cause, her or my family, any more pain,

if we want to bring this truth to light. So final, seventeen years, seventeen long years I haven't been able to my son, I just gave him a kiss for seventeen long years. No Christmas, no birthday. We are warning Massa to come home where you belong. He is a is, if you like, to get involved with postal way. To rob me reads: Facebook page, which is managed by a friend of thirty years, Julie, Strickland. There you'll find a letter writing campaign. You can join to show your support to those in power and those who can bring an even bigger spotlight to this case law, also linked to a go. Fun became paid for real family. While we are producing this episode, Randy's Father Walter Reed passed away, leaving behind his six sons and his wife to fifty years. This fund is meant to help this poor family defray the cost of the memorial service. Walter Reed live long enough to see Rodney granted a stay of execution, but not long enough to see him get. Exonerated were all still waiting for that. I thank you for joining us. Once again, this was sordid scale episode. Forty three, I was your host MIKE Boo Day. If you like to show please join us on Facebook, Twitter and Google plus you can call in at nine five four eight nine six eight by Fort put a plus one of your international or call us on Skype at sword in scale also huge, shout out, suggests, marking and certain scale fanned list JANET checked, who helped me tremendously with the research to some of the more obscure facts in this case makes again and will see you may forth for episode. Forty four of sorting scale until then stay safe and try not to data cops girlfriend, especially in Texas. You need something

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