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below and welcome back to season three episode. Fifty seven of sword in scale, a show that reveals that the worst monsters are real up. Everyone had a wonderful holiday break and we know you ve been waiting for a while. So we're gonna get right to the story. We kick off this season with the two partner of a horrible crime. It's one thing to kill. Someone is quite another to show your work to the victim's friends and family like some sort of Cobb trophy that's how Miami date State attorney, Catherine Fernandez, Rundle described the defendants. Action from this case will tell you all about it, with the help of Cathy Rousillon from court shattered our com.

Stay right there, when Jennifer was sixteen. She met a man named Gabriel Vieira a month later she got pregnant, daughter, Isabel was born nine months after that, despite the young age, the to try to make it work They moved in together and tried to play family a few years later. It was clear that this relationship had come to an end, a daughter Isabel was about four years old at the time, rather than back home. When efficiency close to home remaining intendant, even though her only me, even though her only means of support was waitress.

And inefficiency of glass away from my house removed? This is Jennifer's mother. Now, when we did, she have primary custody. Come away with primary custody was shifted from her to her father here she hasn't it. Voluntary arrangement start living with Gabriel Gabriel, have to take Jennifer to court to get custody of Isabelle Jennifer ever accused of your knowledge, social norms, Dick

that the mother is usually the one with primary custody. In this that was so at first and then it was it. This is precisely the sort of thing that's ripe for exploitation by defences. They continue to have worse Isabel and was that is occasion again. Voluntary arrangement is about a few years later, Jennifer meets in new men at Dennys wishes regular pennies? So I'm not clear on exactly when they met, but, I would say normal, two thousand and ten, two thousand and eleven Medina.

Hits a little close to home. For me. The couple met because Derek Medea was a regular at the Dennys rest. On. Eighty seventh and bird road are used live on eighty seven avenue in Miami blocks away from bird road. I've been to this Dennys I may have even been there around the time. Jennifer Alonzo was employed there. I don't remember. But to know that I may have been sitting there enjoying a grand slam breakfast while all Madness was brewing around me sickening just one after the couple met at the restaurant. They allow

and you know how much did you know that and how did Derek Jennifer moved move to Derek's house the mayor, was rocky from the very beginning. Now, together continuously arguments

and do you have any recollection of about how many times does Sakura, where the Arabic bring Jennifer to your house with her belongings, where these reef breakups or did they go on for and eventually take her back as is usually the case with dysfunctional relationships like this, there comes in now. Do you know when the first marriage ended for good, but he that indicted, it works. Well which one that was eventually finalized,

and do their work, their separation. Where is she? she got up enough money. If you live in condominium there, my husband, there are people, make mistakes and learn from them, and then there are people but keep making the same mistake over and over get plenty I'm not exactly sure, because I didn't know that it was going to happen to each other seriously and married couple moves into a two story: townhouse on Miller. Red Road, the last home they would To get where they live and his wife

I should mention Jennifer's dead and her husband, Dirk Medina, killed. Her. Allegedly so the first? August, two thousand and thirteen were Jennifer and Eric residing in that Those are the three summaries of all state at your house during a period that, yes with me that we cannot prior get fired

I wasn't feeling well so we would take, is welcome, but I asked him to come. I was well so my view dirty job. Yes, so that funding was Isabel at the time of her death, did. You ever know Jennifer Tilly Cazabel during the times that Isabel will stay with you when you would watch her. If you ever leave her alone by herself our question, which will make hell of a lot more sense in just a second.

Did you have a facebook account at the time of Jennifer's death did Derek and Jennifer also have Facebook account for your facebook friends with both of them. Do you have a facebook account? It would have been our question in just about any trial, except in this one particularly relevant. Imagine for a second that the following happens:

It's on. A twenty thirteen is too little laugh eleven air. Their checking your phone, maybe you're on a bathroom break? It's ok. I'll. Do it I'll check our phones, the thing maybe maybe your checking your facebook account or stolen through looking at what your friend, in family have been up to you for the last couple of days, maybe last

full of ours and, as you scroll through others, vacation pictures and adds further that you don't really want. You see a horrifying image, an image of perhaps a friend a coworker family men, slumped on the ground of a kitchen covered in blood and obviously dead. The post reads: rest in peace. Jennifer Alfonso opposed prior to that in all text, reads: I'm going to prison. Death sentence were killing my wife of you guys miss you guys. Take care facebook people. You'll see me in the news. My wife was punching and I'm not going to stand for it any more with the abuse. So I did. I did hope you understand me. This is the post that Derek but put on his facebook page of a hundred and fifty friends and family to see

The first is followed by exactly the confusion in panic. You would expect concern friends and family members post what happened but there's no response it The hours before police confirmed what had happened in the meantime, Derek mundane We'll call me put on his coat drive to his father's house. Tell him what happened and together go to a local police station where he'll turn himself in. Yes, eleven thirty two to people walked into the lobby,

gentlemen Eliza. He had to turn something I was finishing up above all I support what he said. He just shot and killed his wife and the other was his father, MRS Communications officer, Christine Massey. Is working there as a dispatcher. That morning, when Medina and his father walked into the police station, a pane of bullet proof separating her from the lobby, where Medina was standing after he told me everything he sat down and then I proceeded to do dispatching communications jobs I want to see his father walked up to ask a question, but I went back to doing dispatching, so you did not have any now. I have everything to a minimum with the following. The father was an unseen there, so I want to just

dispatching and strictly speaking with, or violent clashes threaten to tell us what is just be entering other police station, the advisor he needed to turn himself in that shot his wife. He gave me the address to give me the location to state it wasn't self defense. I ask for officer safety. I asked him where the girls located, he told me in the closet, and then he said his wife came at him with a knife, so I asked where's the knife and he sent in the kitchen and I said ok, I believe you specifically said that's one policeman. Sir John Venture watching the lobby. Already chosen, defend spontaneously stated to me in writing? I have no lemons, hang up

I've man, yes responded. I was about my wife. She was eighty and she's been hitting me with walking for a long time. So I thought- and did you ask me today Why should I ask whether you these days, as a farmer oh yeah, the ten year old girl she still in the apartment, withered mother, it was at a later point in time he mentioned the italian stepdaughter. What did you say, She was still in the house that she was unaware of what was going on that she was then he put up There has been a bedroom he locked in a bed but that she didn't know what was going on.

The last things I asked him when he by that time softening the officers once they started to speak with them. They gave him and he was escorted into the back. The last thing I asked was what was the little girl's name, because that was very important for the officers on scene at the apartment. He told me her name Definitely release, of course also dispatch fire rescue, but its way too late, Paladin's on the group. What spontaneously stated she did you when she did Imdb three hundred eighty five shot We know that early what happened I went ahead and pick up a

Orange Warsaw area based for some reason, defence attorney Samson Guinea tries to punch holes in the witness testimony of the communications officer who testified that Medina looked stressed after allegedly, killing is there. My client while he was in south. Yes, he was sitting in the chair. You could tell him he was there anything in particular, he did. Because you'll agree with will show how he look inactive during Is there anything on the video that you watched in our presence, along with the presence of members of the jury? That would show somebody acting stressed or adjective

The defence is getting a little cheeky, thereby saying that and see anything, that's testify, and they're not allowed to testify. Everything that is where you saw my acting agitators

if you want you want more than had been you you're not going to see the same shop and level of person sitting in front of me, so he just lost. How are you telling me a camera peace? We will express our thing. You have to carry the high looking down at the most recent atop, the someone's, having nothing to see their things. You see the reason I asked the question is: do you say you see the video now see him out of place, he is sitting in the chair, but I'm telling you he was also stressed. I could see it in.

Tyres, surveillance, video of Derek Medina turning himself in at the South Miami Police Department is available online in it. He does not look stressed, in fact, he looks very key on the way he casually strolls in and walked to the counter and then take a seat as if waiting for a dentist appointment, its ear. When you put in the holy see conversation with him in the hole we in close proximity to Mr Medina, Ross Maybe we are imposing on us, and how were you there while he was in all this There was an hour what use are trotted along its view? In always so far,

Google, so your testimony is that in the first five, the first two minutes of having communication with their Cadena, he gave you three or four things. Now Our money organisation, no interaction, verbal interaction with it was and that wasn't because he was refusing didn't ask for a lawyer or anything to that effect. It was like you weren't allowed to talk to me correct nurse was next. We hear from Officer Frank Marino, the first at the scene of the murder at five, five, five, five. So West. Sixty seventh avenue arrive.

And what was used to a pickaxe had a sledgehammer provided by a Miami Dade Fire rescue virus. And one of the door was breached person. Did you do that yourself? what the Hell Were you also through the doorway? Yes Yes, Yes, Personally, I think,

There was a room to my right that appear. There was occasion, but on this occasion to my right there was a kitchen female, line on the work floor what She was in Applause, and her resting against the occasion? gunshot wounds. No why did you there was a fire. On the occasion for

other than the female judge. Anyone else on the first floor of Americans know This is where tragedy seems to become more than just a headline officer, and those description of a little girl cowering upstairs makes this story much more personal. Because you can imagine what that little girl is feeling. You can sense that she knows what's happened and cannot fail. And did you make contact with someone who later became? Yes? Where are you? She was located. Alone, The doors

I opened the door she was sitting on a bed blanket. Yes, What was he doing? What you turned up all the way he was watching tv and the tv was turned up all the way. Remember there an shots in this home less than an hour ago. There's no way at ten year old Isabel didn't hear them. You know What happened? who's there, tell her anything else. I told that we needed to leave the yes,

but she was alone you perceive I told her to bring her blanket and a red blanket. I told her to bring it with her and she brought the blanket and I Walter halfway down the stairs, and I stopped now in order to exit the apartment. What is provided. Isabel I wrapped her in a blanket in the blanket is why I wanted her to bring the blanket The situation was presented this latter around, with a blanket completely and I brought her down the rest of the stairway and there was

personnel standing at the entrance to the threshold of occasion? and then I voted for the body. And I was a little girl occasion while holding Even if you break through the blanket My body would prevent her from seeing what was behind me and then there was other people behind me to do the same I walked her out of the wrestlers and dying, and I gave it to a female officer from South Miami so were you able to prevent her to your knowledge from seeing her mother's body? Yes, Isabel was escorted out of her home in a red, blanket tool. See her mother alive. Again,

entering the resident read it. Did you later learn that your actions that they hadn't even caught on video have yes Dirt Medina here's to have been a very paranoid man. Not only did we own a handgun, but town homeless, wired with a surveillance system which captured much of the events of that morning. Quoting neighbours? He was also. Reclusive. Instead the windows are not even old man. There's cameras all over the place. He is himself by himself and his wife just came in and out when I first met him, nor I saw this guy's gonna. Look. Let me walk out of water, so I know you tried to be like the neighborhood watch, guys always there late night and there's always a weird to me, is always kind of looking around then,

a hero Medina was a strange bird. Indeed Bush I browed covered in cheap? Look, tattoos with a bit the crazy stare We'll tell you more about this man later. For now. That's your defence attorney Samsung, any attempt to paint the accused. A decent guy, because after all child was not injured when you entered. Went upstairs to retrieve the child Did she appear to have any kind of injuries, If you have any farmer or deal with substantiate the shoes and danger kind of physical. Who So there is no indication of any kind of physical injury, a factor visible cracked

they would have officer Marino goes on to say that, according to the child Medina, had instructed her to stay in the room upstairs and not come out. For any reason you said it Yes, with your knowledge you handle the fireman anyway. How are you doing as far as far as fire, the firefighters wanting to make to make sure that the bigger signs of life. So would that be fair for me to say this would require them to touch and to be.

In fact, if you wish or a virus You just saw you just want to live a life after that they were doing it see. Like the defences case was all about disproving the testimony of every witness for the prosecution and there creating reasonable doubt, even though there was no reasonable, underlined theory behind their key

in some cases with this is next up was one of the detectives on the scene if you'll excuse

my bluntness she's a female detective, with a heavy accent and she's an easy target? Fettes detective Annabella casket, though, is no pushover. She holds road

As far as I see it in terms of with a specific means- successors your where we see how would you agree with me that do you measure? Would you agree with me? Maybe half the size of the kitchen now it turns out, I don't mean irresponsible, ever watch those tb criminals like CSI were detected, pulls up a black light,

crime scene and you see a wall light up with blood spatter patterns will blood. Doesn't it the glow like that chemical known as luminal, is used to create a chemical reaction with the iron in the blood to make it fluoresce. Hence thinks they have something here, because luminal was not used at this crime scene, but detective a is quick to shut,

I'm down. If you can see the blood theirs, point in using luminal next, the defence tries to the picture of an inept instigation, because the rug The victim was lying on was again not

stayed with luminal. Ok, you can you tell me, why do you do you see she was ok. Let me ask you this. You know because it wasn't seed. She says that whatever points

the defence wines for showing that the Tec, If we're not looking for blood spatter going the opposite way, I e dared Medea blood If a struggle had indeed taken place, they lose for a two badger bully the witness detective states once again that luminal is not used if blood is already present, but the defence won't give up.

On this point you so the rug was not taken into evidence in the defence moves zone to discredit the witnesses education. For ten years we will see he goes into a line of questioning which leads jurors. To believe that bloodstain pattern analysis is morven,

art and science request. Its scientific merit, and then it gets into the issue of the knife or the knives. Where what for now? I you see there was a drawer full of knives, but only one of them had blood on it. So the only one taken into evidence. Why behavior processes. I I was that the agitated empowering the agony I assume that you asked are, you will have to ask detected that actually found that I don't

president, you will have to catch that was in charge of Italian. That did you see the drawer. Why do you need to ask the person, but let there be an hour snap and charging saying, is our experience you? How do you find it guys Do I found it why right my experience and with it.

My other colleagues is that is there ten, nine or ten eyes, except for one having left on it, then we will take the one that shows Bluff sadder, a pan of health. Again with aluminum I don't recall, because I was not with a collection of that particular item? Did you see nice. yeah that here the prosecution than takes over and cleared up the whole luminal thing once and for all. I wanna go that initially to some things that were discussed yesterday,

specifically was respected. Aluminum remember when I used for crimes investigative work, once again, I basically very active in the air in the blood? and we'll when we suspect that job has been guy prices, We asked the hemoglobin. Were there a great out a bill bright light, That being so, we can then say that wasn't tat, we were floor or a war was in this category instigation. Did you have any indications, based upon your review of the son of a crime scene, that there has been a clear involved, Lhasa, Melanie chemicals, indicative awful clear literary their land?

Lee Detective, Yvonne, Garcia is then questioned about the crime scene. Sketch this will be. Important later, because the defence is trying to prove that Derek Medina would have been in danger of his life with a crazy. I've wielding woman in a tiny kitchen so take us into the same beginning with where the body was located. Please let them inside the occasion of the house, can you just rather physician He was ever you up here laying sometimes basically audio visa, as she was then from her need down. Parties were behind the people behind her and she was like, Did you observe any apparent? Are obvious signs of injuries on and what type of injuries is behind you multiple jealous, whereby and your Germany items of physical evidence around her. Isn't it looks that casings firearm, a nice there was a project allocated afterwards after him of the body,

Was there a sketch prepare his case and who prepared the password now. Can you described the process that goes into preparing a pricing we take measurements. We take two locations another problem You all that we choose whatever. While they may be a definite everything you measure. The distance of evidence from one to another was aggravated identically at once. The first did you did you Sketchbook applause was there some evidence on the top floor? Yes,

you did you get so the primary saying to the initial. Yes, it was the echo path. Locker cares. What me. I basically remain silent, happy to answer in widening after because only then will the lead us to do so. I would. The lead not be aware of crucial aspects of the crime scene. The defence argue we are aware, came downstairs, We were worried. When you look to see: what's inside it did you How can we make it simple, The point out at this point that defence attorney SAM's agony has a really weird habit. When he's questioning witnesses he directly face

is the jury looking them in the eye by questioning the witness whose off to his right, it isn't get the witness at any point to its kind. Weird and a little off putting ears, Kathy Rousillon from court shattered outcome, the the defence attorney had had a couple, a weird habits which caught my eye, Samson gonna. He kept asking questions to the witness, while not looking at them directly did, did you catch her? Who didn't catch that so that's really long time or add that I should say trial watchers

This made them the very most crazy trial. What what we do see quite often had well see a witness in the Witness box when they go to answer a question. They will turn to the jury, especially an expert witness belt, turned the jury and answer it or will see at attorney, say to the witness. Please tell the jury, you know yadda, yadda and I'll turn so that that's what were used to seeing the only time somebody will, to the jury and actually speak like that or opening and closing statement. But death attorney had never ever seen them in how many cases uncovered he took the lectern and picked it up and physically turned it and faced the jury, and asked every single question of the witness who he's now not facing. He asked every question while looking at the jury is astray

just thing and then when the their proper Kyoto got up there it they would have to difficulty turn the lectern back toward the witness it was. It was truly the oddest thing I have ever seen, and it must it must not. I would think it would make the jury uncomfortable at some point, because also made facial expressions, you can see sometimes he almost rolled his eyes. I would, but if it were made the jury uncountable, they would have said something. I would think, and then the judge, what a maiden stopped at it she didn't and so how he did it the entire trial, but I have never seen anything like it. It seemed really gimmick. He like he was trying to relate to the jury, one on one. I was able to bear it. Gonna keep out the good, that's a good word for it, but you he actually get. He got called out on it while he was questioning one of the witnesses. I think it was one of the detectives early detective where she

good, you said: are you talking to me like exactly and now here, but here the funny part that I note that many didn't pick up on the camera. Man who is the trial during maybe during sidebar breaker, something focused in on it. The paper on the lectern that says, do not move this electoral success. Why would they were trying to do some four preceded between sought then said I but I can't remember, had they done that on purpose man, that's very funny up

except showed willing to focus on exactly who Derek Medina is if social media trail fully detailing is personality and more cover, every stone, king for every worm right here

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