As a Florida resident and native, I am disgusted by the events of the past weekend in Orlando. Thus, I decided to cover the two senseless shootings and also throw in a third recent and horrifying story that proves Florida really is a terrible place to be.
In traditional Sword and Scale style, rather than just go over the details of the Christina Grimmie murder, the Orlando gay nightclub massacre, and the murder and dismemberment-by-chainsaw of Tricia Todd, we tell you these stories from a new and unique perspective that will make you understand the underlying depravity of humanity that is right there, just under the surface. Be prepared to be heartbroken, and angry, and disgusted.
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I'm trying not to be too graphic. I know brother staying right here, but at some point a body will flow by was taken by was love,
below and welcome to season three episode sixty nine of sword in scale.
A show that reveals that the worst monsters
before we get started. We want to remind everyone of our meet up coming up really shortly now on Saturday June, twenty fifth at sea,
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Expecting about sixty five
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About true crime too. Great time
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episode is gonna, be a little different than the ones we ve done in the last couple of months.
They ve been pretty dark, and so what we're gonna do on this show is. Go
to what we used to do on season one.
And give you a bunch of different smaller stories,
have happened somewhat recently, especially
most of Florida here, where we're having or meet up
kind of a variety show of true crime. If you don't know
It, though relax we like them
with the format a little bit and
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And enjoy the chef
we'll start today show with a tragedy. I was just alerted about and happened last night
we're in Orlando. Today, please come with a show of you live near only the horror of Europe,
The father lived, please come out. This is Christina Gimme, that
was taken from her twitter account at the real grimly
selfie video shod hours.
For her death. They were selling merchandise and signing autographs. We know
that the sauce bagged walked out and I'm shot Christina. Her brother tackle the suspect and that's when the suspect shot himself. Twenty one year old, Christina Gloomy was known from the NBC Tv show the voice she placed third in the
sixth season of the singing competition the day she was killed.
Was the opening act for the ban
before you exit at the plaza
in Orlando Florida
so it was over
Jimmy was signing autographs and conducting a meat and greed for her fans. This is our
new police chief, John Mina, about one thousand and thirty. Last night, we received multiple calls about shots being fired from inside the plaza. Our officers responded within two minutes and immediately cleared. The scene is secure. The scene and inside found two people that had been shot so based on our investigation. Thus far, it appears that a white male twenty one years of age approached Christina Grimmie. This was after the show there were about one hundred and twenty people inside the plaza and she was doing like a meet and greet your signing autographs and
merchandise, so this white male approached her and open fire striking her at that almost immediately. Her brother, Marcus Grimy, tackle the suspect to the ground shortly after that, the suspect killed himself and obviously, as we know, unfortunately, Christina dreamy succumb to those gunshot wounds, ass, our thoughts and prayers or with the family and friends and fans of Christina
and our detectives or meeting with her parents today. These are fans that were at the event interviewed
W E S age in Orlando just hours,
The concert and sat in five or ten minutes were sending my shot three or four miles running on back with a man who must come and they were chasing after everything when passing a building on his back there somewhere between us and the one. I was annoyed with them, but then there was a girl sitting on the man. She was crying first one and then the man laughed and stricter shy and that all of us I know she was the one that shines inside the venue. What she was just is obviously extremely scared, myself handling warnings because, like kids and teenagers, some might think that is broadly, I came here and be happy link is totally holiday, scarcely soul. The clubs.
Stop and then it ended and she was meeting fans, and so we are like waited in line. I got to meet her and then, after I met her, we went out to the back to go, see like her
the band come out
and then all of a sudden, while we're waiting when you see like a bunch of security, running and girl, comes out crying. Like his
closing that someone shot themselves wit like with her
there, and so we started like asking around what happened, and it turns out that one of the
This Christina grooming was shot,
and then the person shot themselves what you re? Actually here being so
yeah, I mean it's extremely scary, because
With her, you know, I mean, like I literally I'm so obsessed with their like. When I got to meet her. It was really nice and
and you need to know that something like that would happen to her
to anybody, and just in a situation like this one, it's like suppose we entertainment is just am stunned completely son. Did you hear
now we actually didn't like we just we just saw a bunch of commotion and then you know, thousand
like. What's going on and then the girl came out,
lying, and she also she that the cops like came and took her because they need to find out what happened and indescribable people running where they yelling, where they swimming or with a just with a couple of people, were there doesn't
it was like it was up about leg, twenty
Thirty of us were outside and then all of a sudden, we just here like people getting loud like some people kind of like yelling a little bit, and then you just you,
purity run out, like security just ran out and then you'd. This girl just comes out crying and those from marriages
completely weird. It appears that the shooter had come
for one reason and one reason only to kill Christina grimly anyway. He said so somebody shot.
Yeah yeah, but they don't know who the shooter is young
yeah. It is scary and some proposing that, like you know, he was proud
we in the line like to meet her tool and so to know that he is probably right behind me like the whole time is just
creepy. This is the kind of story that makes me want to cancel every sordid scale meet up ever, but it sounds,
security was a bit lacks at this venue. Were there any mental detectives, any type of a secure
Why are they were searching people's bags, but it was very like casual, I think, in general zone. Relics like that that happens, and you can tell just because they really just like, did a quick search, and that was it. You think it possible was able to get in there with them.
Eleven music concerning at all, it is concerning. You know I mean I cut a deal that was any result
I crossed my mind, but now it's definitely something that, unlike while
but yeah, it is something that I can see how somebody could have gotten away with that you Curative Plaza, does have
security guards where polishers there on arm. They do check bags and purses, as as people have
These are the kind of trade offs we make in modern society all the time, security forces freedom, it's why we have
get to the airport three hours ahead of our flight, because
Dump should put a bomb in issue fifteen years ago. It's why the guy
debate in America continues to rage it's? Why?
Edward Snowden now lives in Russia, and Julian Assange is still living in an ecuadorean embassy in London.
Some view these men as heroes, others view them as traitors.
Some may blame the security at the Plaza lie for this tragic event.
There's one thing: I've learned in the two and a half years of looking into these sorts of cases is
If someone really wants to kill you
and their motivated enough is a very good job
They'll be successful. People can be
crafty. Even
with severe mental illness
they can hide their disease from the world around them.
And you'll never see them coming. It's us.
In this case is not from Orlando suspect travelled to Orlando apparently,
who commit this crime and then had plans to travel by air travel back to where you came from. So
we're doing. At this point, I will not identifying his name right now, but we will have that sure.
Before you near the end of the day. What are they
These are doing right now we're going through this aspect. Cell phone, a computer, see they could find a motive for this crime.
The suspect had to hand guns on his person
he had two additional MAC loaded magazines for those hang guns and a large hunting knife. The killer was twenty seven year old, Kevin James Loyal he did not know
Christina grimly. He had no
next with her whatsoever
he was a deranged FED,
with illusions that the singer would some day marry him. There are reports that he had under,
on here transplants to impress the object of his obsession as well as Lasik. I surgery so you wouldn't have to wear glasses. He also
a vision to lose weight. He worked at best buy and his co
yours now refer to him as the Geek Squad Killer
go Orlando from his home in Saint Petersburg to commit
one simple act of murder:
you're becoming enraged about a picture. The singer posted with her producer who she was dating
Labels jealousy and twisted mind at the plan which
one would know about until it was too late
story is still very new and unfolding as we speak.
The facts are coming out on a daily basis. So
as one story that you'll have.
Finally ending to on your own, but a particular
disturbing part of it.
At eleven, a m the following day, someone posted a tweet on Christina Grimace, Twitter,
held and then deleted it shortly after it was two words the end
I wish I could see this next story isn't from Florida, but of course it is on aid.
Twenty Eightth, twenty. Sixteen a young mother goes missing her name.
Pritchett Todd Williams. The day before she was expected to pick up her daughter, faith
baby sitter Denise CAS, but she never showed up Tricia's com
are was found parked in front of her neighbour's house unlocked
with the keys in the ignition enterprise.
In the front seat, but her white, Iphone and pink wallet were missing. This is a small community in Central Florida called hope. Sound
population is less than fifteen thousand, and it's just north of Jupiter. Once the knees broke, a small army of volunteers gathered around. U S, one! Looking for clues
They found nothing my mother to another. I just know man and I wanted in Germany. I could not help finer bring your whole Morton Coney Sheriff William Snyder tells the media that police have conducted extensive friends at work, but there's no sign of what happened attrition. As of this moment, we are ready to examine this is far from rising to examine her home with a resolute famine, former husbands, and there is not once pinto of evidence of a crime, no by food, no blood spare no damage to any that. It's just there's no sign of a non absence. Tricia was just gone, no clues
no side or phone shut off at once.
Twenty nine, a m and was
returned back on
Do you have some cell phone data, but it all puts it right here just to let you know, there's only one cell phone tower and hope, sound and no home run their cell phone tower. Triangulation is a well known and often used investigative tool.
Phone is on the towers around. It constantly get information about how far away the phone is, if you
three towers and a triangle, each of which knows how far the phone is. It's a pretty
to find out exactly where the phone,
exactly where the phone is on a map, its accurate to win
three quarters of a mile but
only one tower and hope sound ah police knew was that she was somewhere in the area before her phone was turned off at one. Thirty am the
These day, Tricia had been seen at Morton Memorial, South Hospital at a proxy
The eight thirty p m. She was with her daughter and her ex huh
We are pretty good evidence that there was a back and forth between Tricia and her former husband about the child. Child wasn't feeling well Tricia got some advice from a friend request is also a nurse. The nurse said you really should take her to the emergency room, but no, she did go to the emergency room. They have video evidence of that they were there. There was no conflict at that time and then the former husband's statement was that he will call you later in the evening to hear the baby's not feeling well. She did pick up some things for the child is not feeling well and so far
All this has been cooperating. The last image of Tricia Todd is at a low.
Public's wish,
buying some items for her sick daughter, the security camera time
damned the image at nine thirty nine p m in three hours. Tricia Todd would be dead,
dresses Ex husband was
Staff sergeant at sea, more Johnson AIR Force Base and go
Sparrow North Carolina. He was in
visiting his daughter and staying at a local bed and breakfast and policy
in gardens. He had
a Florida on the morning of the twenty seventh to go back home and had dropped
asked the little girl
baby sitter according to him
you should come to the house. He was renting at midnight.
Because the child was sick and
asking to see her after Texas
from Stephen Tricia immediately. Responded. Friction
comforted the child in the living room. They events
but the child, the bed and Tricia went
a car but note
It was out of gas and sputtering in the driveway to Stephen, took his car
To get some gas and purchased
the two gallon gas can,
And stated that after refueling Tricia's car, she drove off
and he had no further contact.
No one would ever see Tricia alive after that point, Martin,
any police scoured the various video sources in the area include
home surveillance, video from neighbours security systems
businesses in the area that the card
of past well
well we're doing with their videos with we'd like to obviously see as far as close to the time of wine treasure disappear as we can
obviously a homerun for us would be. Is it there's a video camera and shows are being abducted or shows her walking with some besides
the fact that he was the last person to see her there's. Another reason why police were focusing on the x
the back, and I want to say two thousand and fourteen, but I can get you that exactly it was a report of a domestic violence. We have that report coming our way. All we have right now is what we call the Cavs record. Computer assisted
four and we can't read those code, so we're going to have the actual case in hand. There was no rest. We know that this is in you clarify them or that there is a report of domestic by rushing in her. Now yes, and there was no arrests made, so we another nature was the husband died with accusing nor yet he was assessed by the Avenger police and Rally Durham question. Stephen
They handled him with kid gloves. Performer husbands is completely cooperating
has spoken without any problem with Raw Durham, lease investigators or homicide. People been fantastic, they ve helped us enormously remaining well, yes, we are coordinating with with the rider and at some point we will be doing that exact timing that really can be sensitive and investigation. So we will reveal that right now, as all of these details were enfolding tricks
family and friends, and co workers were still cling onto hope, but
the days, went by with no sign
Patricia that huh
is dwindling. This is a safe place. You can always come home always come us will be
for you, and this is no different. So if you
though we just want our home, we just want to say for her family.
Our baby Tricia's deeply religious family elected the services of pasture Wesley hold him from the hope, sound Bible church as their main point of contact to the media good morning.
This statement is from the family of Tricia Todd Williams,
Disappearance of our daughter sister in mother is heartbreaking.
Our trust in God, and the prayers of our friends and family from around the world are
staining us during this time. We would
to take this opportunity to thank them. Martin, county sheriff's office, further continued diligence and tireless dedication
to the hundreds of volunteers that have helped to scour Martin County. Thank you especially
thank you goes out to d me and their dedicated
in tears
coordinating the search here locally. Some
which Demi representatives are here with us today. Your continued support is helping us to come now much closer to bringing Tricia home
to the media, thank you for it.
Testing us in getting the story of Tricia's disappearance out and keeping her story. A priority. Tricia's daughter is safe.
In a healthy environment and being well taken care of
to anyone who might have seen or know anything regarding the disappearance of Tricia. We
begging that you coming forward in contact the Martin County Sheriff's office. We will continue to work alongside
in County sheriff's office in the volunteers,
until we bring our girl home going forward. We have selected a pastor entrusted family friend to represent the family,
All media of contacts and future statements from our family will be through past or Wesley Holden for the late
the information regarding the volunteer effort,
Please visit our facebook page search for
Frazier Todd Williams. Please help.
Spring Tricia Home to the family, who loves and desperately mrs her. Thank you,
that is from the family when
by a member of the media, whether she was facing reality, the reality that she may never see her daughter again, Tricia's mom, Rebecca Todd had this to say
face it, damn has my nineteen year old Son, then I'm Trichet can't lose will either find her. I shall be in Heaven. It's the rest of us will miss. The sheriff's office was investigating this disappearance on two separate tracks,
their Tricia had voluntarily disappeared and didn't want to be found, or some one had done something to her
so while they were hoping to find her alive, they were also prepared,
worst thank y'all so much. I know it's hot out here where, in the day, five of this search for Tricia Todd. My comment on the water search is the is the seashore
We do know that, for
to the water to pray, sometimes to be alone. She went to the beach, and so, where we're doing everything we can to eliminate the possibility that something happen there well
You know what I've used this term needle in a haystack is not exactly needle and haystack, but it's very close. This is how far
applause there, I'm trying not to
sue graphic. I know a brother standing right here, but at some point a body will flow by.
Ii. Anybody will flow so we're at that stage. Now, where we continue to check water areas, are helicopter will continue overflying and and will eliminate. That is a possibility of Stanly County on May 23rd to text.
The Martin County, Sheriff's office travelled.
Stevens Residence.
Five one sick, so busted rock trail in rally
for thirty. In the afternoon they made contact.
Stephen and here.
To go to the local station for questioning,
Stephen was shown to an interview room which remain
unlocked. At this point, he was free to leave at any time during that
view. Police pointed out various inconsistency between Steve
statement and the free
a governance, for example,
there was video of Stephen leaving the residence with Tricia's car at one ten, a m
traveling to Trisha's home and then making
u turn beforehand
back to his Rennell House, Stephen had no response,
police, then confronted Stephen again and pointed out.
He was also seen driving the car at two O. Four, a m
and there was a video of him walking northbound on southeast federal highway at four forty
M Stephen claimed
wasn't him on the video and that he was asleep at the time.
Police were not gonna, let him off the hook, though they told him,
that they knew it was him on the video. At this point Stephen story changed. He now said
that after Tricia had come over. He had asked her for her laptop Stephen offered.
The trick is home to get the laptop, but then saw that
Oh sure, her younger brother was at the house any
weird about letting himself in
So he turned around and went back to the rental when he got back. He claimed here
ah Tricia lying face down on the floor, breathing
very shallow, with a cut on her forehead, he panicked and put Tricia's body in the car
and asked why he didn't call an ambulance or take her to the hospital. He stated he just freaked out
because Tricia was always messing with them and try to ruin his life. When asked
where the body was
he said he didn't remember at this point. Detect
Ass Stephen Williams, Weather
would be willing to travel back to Florida to help locate the body of Tricia Todd. He agreed he rode back.
The high hotel involved.
Charlie shared a room with a two detectives
It took a shower and ordered dinner. Then he went to sleep and woke up at four
the catch of five thirty flight to
Airport Stephen was advised that he was
Frida leave, he was not restrain.
In any way throughout the trip. Just
regular passenger. You
I've been sitting right next to him and not even noticed at them
in County sheriff's office, Stephen repeat,
a similar story about finding Tricia close to death and panicking. But detectives told him that this
We simply did not match the forensic evidence and that change
story, only made him look guilty. He then
hold police. What really happened
Tricia had arrived at the house around midnight because her down
faith was asking for even did what
come over, but he put up with it. He said
because of his daughter shortly?
after she arrived the to begin
to argue about a child support check. She never received,
and claims he mailed to check to the
dress, but the argue
escalated according to Stephen Tricia
came increasingly aggressive and got in his face. So Stephen
pushed her away. He says
She did it again and he pushed her again. This
I'm so hard that she fell and hid her head against the floor or some other object, she didn't get up,
Stephen says he tried to wake her
she was severely injured.
Breathing was labored and raspy. That's when you
in the car is plain,
was to drive it to her home and leave it there with the body inside, but he saw
lights on in the house, so he changed his plan
when he returned back to the rental house, you realized he was out of gas, so he had to go to the shell in his car to get some
He said he was in a daze and didn't remember where he left the body we now know this was yet another lie
police now had just one grim task to find Tricia's body,
Just make a statement before began.
I want to say that yesterday afternoon, at approximately one
So in the afternoon we are contacted by the defendants. Attorneys, who indicated task that is their client was interested.
In negotiating a set satins prison sentence in exchange for leading law,
enforcement to the body of Tricia Williams. I consulted
with the state attorney on this matter, and it was deter,
that pursuant to the floor to state constitution, section one article, sixteen, it is imperative that we brought this proposal to the victims, families
and I had an opportunity to meet with these decent folks. Yesterday the sheriff said to you something interesting references
part of a conversation he and I had, and that was what would you do if it were you and the sheriff said one thing and I said enough
and so all the way there's always going to be disagreement as to how you should handle it.
We should like this
and in the end what I did was. I inform them directly from the
on it to know needed to know where Tricia's body was so. They made a deal with the man who killed her and make no mistake
Tricia's body was so they may.
I deal with the man who
and make no mistake about it. It will never be a full measure of justice for Tricia's family or the people, the state of Florida,
but justice oftentimes is not perfect, and so we have to take what we can get
at the conclusion of my meeting as I reentered.
That we will try this case absolutely
a second degree martyr based upon the circumstantial evidence that we had at that time.
What you must remember, as members of the media as you communicate
the public is everything was
rose and in time upon the defendants arrest
We were never going to find this body here. We were not looking here. We had no idea
The body would be here so this case was
it was on the day of his arrest, which would have
for a second degree, murder case, potentially based upon
Statements of Mr Williams, which let me state unequivocally we're at
times lies lie
and manipulation so
I, the victim's family of the strengths and weaknesses in the potential pitfalls of a trial and assure them that their state attorney would try this case. They elected to proceed with a negotiated so
but which might lead them to the remains of their loved ones, and I say
today, that's courageous, and I respect that.
But I also say that this was the deal
Also remains partial remains.
Pressure have been taken to the medical examiner is on the plane ago.
Asian was to take law enforcement to divide,
Eddie and remains of Miss Williams. If Mister Williams breaks the term
I'm so that plea agreement. We specifically incorporated
into that agreed agreement, the understanding that he is subject to life in prison. Nobody no withdraw the plate,
frankly. What I will say to you here today is we: all
created a provision within the plea and a den
The plea offer was that if he should elect
It would draw his plea.
Challenges sentence in judgment on direct appeal,
This case will come back and we will have the benefit for the benefit of of utilizing the evidence we have discovered out here- and I will put this man on a slow boss today
throw because, in the end, Jana the answer
lesson is yes, of course. This is a path.
Meditated martyr, and so I conclude my statement.
Simply saying it's an honor
fortunate reality of this business. That, on occasion, you must make it
oh the Devil, and I
to deal with the Devil Assistant State attorney Tom Backdoor is asked if he regrets making the deal yeah. I don't
on a personal level, of course, because
in my mind, is not a full measure of justice, but I have to sacrifice that
wishes of the family. Ok, so if it was sheriff Snyder he
indicated to the family that he agreed wholeheartedly and that's how they should proceed.
Is a family member may have taken a different position, but at the end it's gotta be their wishes because they
Well, I will go on now to my next case, but they will live with Tricia's absence forever, and so you must defer to the victim's. It's that states absolutely
It's a constitutional requirement, and so there's a part of
the dogs, but is also a part of you. You have to remember this would have been
after a trial, there's a very good possibility, based upon the evidence that we have that he was convicted of manslaughter and then
I would be- and is he would be looking at fit
in years in prison and no closure for Trish's family. So that's a big gamble and if you put yourself in their position, you might say to yourself
a good deal and the truth of the matter is, as you reflect upon it from what we knew at the time with a
deal! Churches
shall remains were found
Stephen Williams used a chainsaw,
to dismember his Ex wife's body before dumping, it
at the hungry land state preserve near duped.
Florida. The body was found
sad, a container that
filled with a liquid believed to be acid and it was buried at the preserve divers.
Or found the two saws and a canal near by after five
being a text message on his phone to his girlfriend reference.
A drug use to pass polygraph tests, police, gotta
court order to search Stevens home there. They found the
ugh, along with several weapons
they also seized several hard drives from Stevens computers. The battery
Howard size used to do
amber treasure. Todd had been purchased on Amazon in March a month before
precious murder
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this past week and try to get over the sadness of the
story. We told you about the killing
listing the gloomy which happened here,
in my home state of Florida
little, did I know that
wake up the next day to this,
gathering a lot of information right now, so we want to share as much as we possibly can. The individual believed to be responsible for the terror attack at the Orlando Club pulse early Sunday morning has been identified as Omar mere CDS, Martine aged twenty nine, an american citizen born in New York
he died of an exchange of gunfire with police officers early this morning, Sunday June, twelfth too, oh two m pulse
the gay night Club in Orlando is hosting its
and flavour event wench
renown
witnesses say that at first they,
The shots were part of the music.
The dj, adding effects over dance track after
officer working at the club response. He added
other officers open
fire on the shooter
Gun battle erupts dish
your goes inside the club and a hundred officers
when the Orange County Sheriff's office in Orlando Police Depart.
Responded the scene at two o,
I am a messages posted on
spoke by night club personnel, saying everyone
get out of pulse and keep running at to twenty two.
A situation and attend stand off develops as police have to
It is his allegiance to the leader of ISIS and mentions the Boston bombers. This is
now a hostage situation and attend stand
off develops as police have to wait three hours to get armoured vehicles on the scene and make sure they have enough personnel to respond inside dozen
people lay bleeding to death at proxy.
Play five. A M police are now ready to. Finally respond
the armed Swat team members use and armoured vehicle to smash down a door at the club clearing up
away for some thirty people inside to flee to safety swat officers,
front. This aspect in the doorway, shoot and kill him at five. Fifty three,
Orlando Police, confirm the shooter. Is dead. Prescott
just called at seven hundred and fifteen a dot m we're police chief, John Mina announces multiple people have died inside the club at one thousand and fifty
authorities identify the shooter as twenty nine year old, Omar Martine from Fort Pierce Florida by noon,
governor Rick Scott is addressing the shooting and, by one p m present,
Barack Obama is issuing a statement at last count. Fifty people are dead, including the shooter and fifty three are
Sadly, by the time you hear this
Those numbers may change to think about that. Fifty families
now have to deal with this entirely new reality that their loved ones are dead. I think there's
one thing I saw that made
story much more real to me than all of the countless hours of media coverage. I happen to see a tweet which does
Rob something that had been set on CNN. I don't have the exact quick,
but the basic jist is this: investigate
were inside the club for hours after the mass murder of forty nine innocent people, the bodies
These victims lay there
exactly where they fell as police,
try to sort out the details of what transpired, while doing so
having the tune out the nightmare sound of
the deceased's phones cards.
ITALY ringing as level.
Desperately tried to reach them
One can only imagine what it must feel like an investigator to be in that room, while hearing
electronic symphony of sadness.
This is the largest mass shooting in the? U S:
For that reason, I'm not gonna go into details about the case. You can pretty
turn on any station right now and see hours of coverage and speculation. But I did
bring it up because events like this, which are so shocking and get so much media attention. Also,
and bring out the worst of humanity, and since we liked it
were that on this programme,
two examples of just what I mean. The first come
in the form of conspiracy theorists one facebook user
called Cody Agnew posted.
Fearmongering message on Facebook
gotten a lot of attention and has
spread around by people who should know better. It reads earlier
I posted about my employer sister, who was at the club when
fairly stable and very lucky to be alive
updates. She took twelve bullets.
Eleven were removed and one is in her liver and can't be taken out. She's coherent.
Fairly stable and very lucky to be alive. But it's not the point of this post
bits of information that the media are telling us mind you
he's coming directly from a survivor of the attack. There are
who others that were in the club slaughtering people last night that we're not caught. They are
go out there and they are armed and dangerous. The media is not reporting this because they don't want to scare everyone, but I think it's important that people know friends, please
safe. I would probably avoid theme, parks, clubs, shopping malls and anywhere with a high concentration of people for a little while, I'm not trying to spread fear
rather awareness, and make sure that all my friends stay alive hopefully face.
Doesn't remove this post
Apparently the user of this account has done this several times before,
to love the attention of his posts going viral agony
profile was deleted, but not before
got roughly sixty five thousand shares online. Even after
profile was raised, people
Continuing to share this post, I know, but
it appeared on my feed other post.
By Agnew. Show him professing is love to various singers in claiming that
he's dying of AIDS. He really
give out a look: I'm not a vibe, but the far more
Four comments are the ones that accuse real victims and their friends.
And family of being crisis actors for what
spirits he theorists call phosphor,
operations, Justin
friends from the generation. Why? Who will be joining us at our South Florida meet up join me too
Gus this bizarre phenomenon, which seems to have been
steam in recent years due to the popularity
in four wars and broadcast,
Alex Jones,
seen a lot of
he's or just comments all over the internet saying
here we go again another false flag
until I see actual footage of people being shot. I'm not gonna believe it.
I seen commentators saying they're coming,
your guns be ready
ready for more.
Gun bands. This is
all government conspiracy. These are crisis. Actors can dive
footage of Europe that is similar.
Judge where you see the car cars on the street. You actually here the gunfire going off and it is
a ridiculous to me that somebody could think this is fake. When so many different people
The tweet about it, whatever as its actively happening, yeah, there's
ridiculous. It is, and it happens, we're
people that that live there that are posting stuff about? What's happening that their seeing on the streets of Orlando?
and a ridiculous
it is- and it happens with every single
tragedy. Every single shooting
during the year that the Paris attacks is the same thing in Ireland.
Feel like people here
so far away such at such a distance that they don't
stand the repercussions for the impact of their words, because it's not,
happening to them and their
so hard pressed ominous everything's a conspiracy yeah, there's no
There's no reason that this should happen
Yet between me new. We know that people are very capable of horrific things and actions,
oh, you don't need to add to the mistake
of life for the tragedy of why by saying this is
I'm sort of government cover up, you know,
The same thing happened at sandy hook. I mean they were people still
saying that you know, because I didn't see the little kids bodies
you know because the media didn't show children dead,
that had never really happen, and in yet
they say nine slash. Eleven was a conspiracy, but I saw the video footage of the people jumping out of the buildings they showed it
so I mean
there's no logic. There's no.
Is the mad or it's crazy and
it really is her fall.
I can only imagine s
You were one of the parents
sandy hook that add your child's life taken from you in there
to be screamed at
he used to being up a crisis actor or something
of government. You know plant
of some kind when you just suffered a loss like that. I just disgusts me
that's the only way to put it it's disgusting to me, it is
guessing at in the fact that now it seemed
happen within minutes, almost of the event that's taking place within minutes, you have,
social media spreading these ridiculous rumors.
And there is no evidence that needed anymore. It's just oh here we go again hearing here. It is as if,
sandy Hook or the you know
movie theater shooting were somehow proven already as being uniform
and now we don't need any more proof we can just claim whatever we want on
on any sort of tragedy. Now and I
I can never read my head around that logic and
you can see it happening as there is real.
Words from the news, such as in this Florida shooting. The initial report was twenty dead, and now it's fifty
and then his latch onto this detail, but of course it's gonna increase over time. As you find out more information, absolute, there
Still fifty three people injured and
who's to say that going to survive there may be fifty one people dead or fifty two people dead by the time. This is all over.
And I mean there's people in critical condition that may not
survive their wounds. I just
in the Indian Ocean and as we have the media just
totally on the-
you know we gotta be first report every thing they're going to read.
Four in Miss report details about anything in the first
many for hours and it's not until the first.
I don't know I would say almost seventy two hours that you start getting. Really
for information about the events, but
It just seems that any minor mistake any minor miss by the media is latched onto.
Just run with it, as this is proof of this, is somehow evidence that there is a government conspiracy. It'll just
but the troll on Facebook trying to spread misinformation and about how the poor,
to on my wall, because one
friends assumed it was true and shared it without so much as even the simple Google search. You know you can say that it's not without malicious intent, but the outcome becomes more wishes
I think. A lot of these people they just
what takes one click to repair it takes one. You know it
It's a lazy, suggest here, laziness and
information bias comes in, oh well, it was from a victim, so I'm not even going to factors, because it's already indebted for me as if every
go tweet in every single news, article on the internet is somehow true embedded. But people like to cherry pick an
confirmation buyers to choose which one they're gonna believe in which one they're, not so, I guess
did I answer it like it's? This is not intended to be malicious, but maybe
is intended to be more of an attention grabber to me, the mentality of people who are eager to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon as well.
Of being jaded by the world as it is, and also the self importance to think that they know something. You don't get it's like, they have their privy to some kind of information that the rest of us are does too dumb to see greater in school.
When your eyes, sheep or cause you're
this is coming. The new world order and whatever they they come up
with a minute, when you actually say out loud they just it, sounds so ridiculous. But
have to have a pretty deep level of self importance in. To think that
You know something that no one else does and you're smarter than everybody else.
I would hope that the more people
attention the more
the more they will understand that you can have a healthy distrust for your government, but you
that's based offer their accounts.
The or lack of ability to do things and not their maliciousness or intend to do something
You know it's
the best experience so pay. If you want to say that the government in you don't trust the garment that works there, but
it's, it's usually not the best expense.
And so hey. If you want to say that the government,
you don't trust the garden or at least be logical with it at least give an example of,
why now not just this whole
oh well, they they want to kill us, they want to take our guns and they want to spray chemicals in the air. You know what,
a whole weird kind of truth or movement now that
It's almost like a religion. I would I
I hate categorize and marginalized bunch. People's well being same, but a lot of the same kind of life,
rolls over into whether be came or or,
latter so or whatever I mean you
to have some moniker of evidence, some some shred of of proof at anything,
two to start one of these
he's, but usually it's just nothing
there's nothing there. The whole thing.
The crisis actors
Show me one of these crisis actors and show me another seen they ve done can help here.
You blew his
as soon as you prove that this
person in one video is now
the same person is another or a photograph or whatever,
come back. A meteorite mediately is what do you think the government can hire multiple crisis actors? Is it just keeps
there's no there's no
actual conversation or dialogue to be had anymore? It's just
trying to reason in and get a logic to just outlined
ass, I
Yeah I mean I've seen all the coffins, Hoddan Youtube videos and in Facebook, in
since there is no end to it.
No reasoning with these people and, like you said there is no shred of evidence.
Say our until I actually see a shooter with a go pro on his head killing people, I'm not gonna, believe it, but even if that helps
What did I would say that that
and that Roanoke remember the rapporteur that was live on camera, doing a report and got shot
I'm a man got shot,
I don't believe it actually happened now, they're all that was one of the ones where he was immediately discounted. As you know, a false flag, operation, air, it's unbelievable.
But if you were to say well, I'm not gonna, believe it's a false flag operation until actually see documentation from the government. Oh, oh, that's not good.
You'll never see the documentation that the government was behind it? Well, but you,
Asking your weight when you make what what is that the term? It's when you
aka extraordinary claims, we need extraordinary evidence in
I actually say. Well, you know what I don't know.
Extraordinary evidence, I need
shred of evidence
the thing is not there isn't just not there. Well,
you ready for the meat up and ask you one more time. Yes, then it's going it's going to be great,
I can't
to be there.
Meat everybody and I hope,
I am sure that the turn out will be great. I just hope we don't overflow the place and the fire as it
just said something there about conspiracy, theorists being much like a religion or culture which ties nicely in my second example of how stories like this bring out the worst in people play
for you. Right now by a pastor. Stephen L, Anderson from the faithful word Baptist church in Tempi, Arizona is Twitter, handle
at Sanderson, one six, one one with an hour
of this horrible tragedy, Pastor Anderson was using the deaths of forty nine innocent people as a tool to
red hate
apparently to him,
What his religion is about. Everybody pastors even Anderson here from faithful were Baptist Church and Tempi Arizona, and I just want to record a quick Vince
oh about the news this morning about
the shooting in Orlando. I guess a muslim terrorist went into it
a bar and shot him up and there's fifty sodomize homosexuals that have been killed and another fifty some odd injured, and then the muslim guy himself was was shot by the police. It sounds like an here's, the Good NEWS and bad news about this. You know the Good NEWS is that there's fifty less pedophiles in this world, because you know these homosexuals are bunch disgusting, perverts and pedophiles. That's who was a victim here are a bunch
just disgusting homosexuals at a gay bar, ok, but that the bad news is that this is now going to be used, I'm sure to push for gun control.
You know, law biting normal Americans are not to be allowed to have guns for self defence.
And I'm sure it's also going to be used to push an agenda against so called hate speech, so Bible, believing christian preachers who preach what the buyer
actually says about homosexuality that its vile, that it's disgusting that their reprobates you know we're gonna be blamed thy go
Sits it's all extremism, it's not just the Muslims as the Christians. I'm sure that that's coming, I'm sure that people are gonna start attacking. You know Bible, believing Christians now because of what this guy did not. Let me just be real clear
I've never advocated for violence. I don't
leave in you know that taking
law into our own hands. I would
never go in and end and you know shoot up a gay bar so called. I don't believe it's right for us to just be a vigilante we're supposed to obey the law of the land and obey the powers that be so. I would never take things into my own hands or become a vigilante, but I will say this: you know the Bible says that homosexuals should be put to death in Leviticus, two thousand and thirteen. Obviously it's not right for somebody to do. You know, shoot up the place because that's not going through the proper channels, but these people all should have been killed anyway, but they should have been killed through the proper channels as in they should have been executed by a righteous government that would have been no try them convicted them and saw them executed, because in Leviticus two thousand and thirteen God's perfect law
he put the death penalty on murder and he also put the death penalty on homosexuality. As what the Bible says plain and simple, and I so you know, the Good NEWS is that at least fifty of these pedophiles are not to be harming chilled.
Anymore. The bad news is that
out of a lot of the homo rose in the bar are still alive. So they're gonna continued molest children and and recruit people into their filthy homosexual lifestyle.
And then the other bad news is that this is gonna now be used as propaganda.
Not only against Muslims, but also against Christians. And of course, Islam is a wicked religion. Of course. It's a disgusting religion course. The Koran is false,
By the media makes a big deal out of stuff like this, and it is its programming, the devil. The devil loves this incident, because it's perfect for him because now
He can pushes agenda of all
the love, homeowners and stop being hateful because look at these acts of violence that provoked even though
I've, never heard any Bible. Believing christian preacher say that we should take things into our own hands and then and execute the wicked all all
all I preach, and all that any other you know Bible preacher have ever set about it is that it should be against the law to be homosexual, which it was against the law until two thousand three in the U S, and that you know Leviticus twenty three,
is still God's work so anyway, those are my thoughts on this attack. I'm not sad about it. I'm not gonna cry about it, because these people we're gonna, die these. Fifty
People in the gay bar the got shut up, they were gonna die of aids and syphilis, and and whatever else
They were all going to die early anyway, because homosexuals have a twenty year shorter lifespan than than normal people anyway, and you know at least at least these dangerous predators he's dangerous, filthy pedophiles at this at this gay bar at least they're off the streets. You know I'm just trying to look on the bright side. You know, but again you know I don't condone
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