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is Massachusetts in Essex County. Previously known as Salem Village. Where some of the Salem witch trials were conducted. This tag one is made up of predominantly white's popular. Over twenty six thousand, with either of black or hispanic populations making a play than one percent, this is Carolyn Quigley. It's quickly. What town do you live in? I live in Danvers she's, the mother of four Aaron is seventeen Emma is Team Duncan and Patrick, are thirteen. Her oldest child fifteen year old, Erin Quigley attends Danvers High School in Danvers Massachusetts, she's a sophomore in tenth grade. How did Aaron typically get cool, I'm. She took the bus most days and did that include going to school and coming home Yes frequently she would stay after school and I would have to pick her up and how would that be arranged with that be arranged in the morning or later in the day I would later in the day. She would call me, on this particular day, Aaron

call her mother, it's Tuesday October 22nd, two thousand and thirteen and it's approximately three hundred and ten in the afternoon she had stayed after school. She she called me to come pick her up and when you would pick her up, did you have a specific place that the two of you arranged at the school where you would pick her up yeah? I would typically pick her up in the driveway where parents do drop offs. And is that, where you met her that day, yes, Any other parents picking up kids from the high school, oblivious The tragedy that's about two hundred while you were for Aaron, where you parked in a parking space, or beside the road. I was alongside the school in the in the driveway and Anything catcher

and while you were waiting for Aaron. Yes, I saw a boy in the bushes who who was crouched. He was looking around like he was looking to see. If anyone was looking at him, he looked he was changing, stood up, pulled a shirt down, pulled pants kind of adjusted pants. Put it Cortana, and then he picked up a bundle and put it in. There is an l in that area. He picked that bundle up and put it in that corner. Her other daughter Emma, who is also in the car, sees the boy changing two on the front right corner of the school, where the two walls make a forty five degree turn back inwards and some Bush is or planted there, which the boy is using for cover, and were you watching this? from inside your car? Yes, did you know this male individual know an, after you saw that individual or do what appeared to be changing and then put a bundle in those Bush is.

Did you see him go? He came out and then went into what was then the main entrance, which was this so he ran down the sidewalk and into that entrance and when he ran down the sidewalk, did he pass right by your vehicle? He would have yes thinking nothing of it. The family heads back home later that night it come clear to them exactly what it is? They saw that day speaker later that evening, did you learn about a fourteen year old boy from Danvers High School who was reported missing? Yes, I did, and how did you find out about that My older daughter told me: did she tell you where she had learned that information. She saw it on Twitter and did she Show you any tweets that she had seen on twitter. She showed me the tweet, from the Danvers Police and when you saw that tweet, do you remember the information that it contained that there was a boy from the high school that was missing

and were there any photographs attached to that tweet? Yes, there was Caroline and her younger daughter Emma realized that they spotted the missing boy. That day, changing in the Bush did you have any reaction to it? Yes, we both work. And I, as the boy that I had seen at the school that day we do after you saw that tweet, I'm sure discussion with my husband, but about what I should do, and then I called the Davis police to. Let them know that I had seen him that day in the Bush is with all attention focused on the missing boy, whose only fourteen canary story takes a back seat in the media. You see someone is missing? Teacher, is missing the r e w This is Andrew Jaquinta he's defying about his wife's friend Colleen? Andrew, is a systems engineer at Hewlett Packard, his wife. Sarah is a math at Danvers High, just like the missing teacher.

How did you know her through my wife, Sarah. She was a friend and so just said colleague. There's at Danvers High School, so I knew her sometimes outside of the school social gatherings or when my wife is together with her in on the evening of October 22nd, where you and your wife, home yes, without going into anything that was said, did you take a phone call I did not, and after that Phone call, you do. We went to Andrews High School to look for not calling How long does it take to get from your home, or did it take at that time to get from your home in Peabody to Danvers High School somewhere around fifteen minutes, one thousand and fifteen minutes? Will you arrived at Danvers High School? What, if anything, did you observe in around the school ground, Colleen's car there, but otherwise there was no sign of her and

you all Tomotley able to get into the school building. Yes, once the principal sue arrived, we were able to get inside the high school and what role? If any, did you play at that time in the school building? At that I'm in the school building? We kinda just went to look around classrooms to see if we could further find the locations of Colleen Andrew his wife, Sarah and Principle Susan Ambrose, ivic. Fine signs of Colleen in the school, so they looking around outside he described for the jury. What search you conducted at the perimeter of the school building? Sure myself Todd butter? and the police officer. Stephanie, I believe, was her name. We began walking around the outside of the school just to look for any sign of Colleen at that point, there had been mentioned that maybe there was some clothes around, so we started looking along the side of the school primarily and then kind of just worked our way around the outside of school along the woods line. It's not long.

For a significant police presence arrives and begins an investigation. This is office Steve Baldassarre, one of the first off here's to arrive on the scene when you arrive. Who did you make contact with via telephone phone was with Miss Caroline Erin Quigley, Carolyn and Erin quickly and without into anything that they said you can have a conversation with them. Yes, so At this point, you haven't even made contact with anyone at the school you're just receiving information through dispatch. Yes, yes, once you finish those two phone, well, what was the next person who made contact with? into the school and make contact with the school principals, Susan and Brozovic. And were you able to gather some information regarding what was going on yes officer. Baldassarre's role is pretty stressed free mode. That I'm currently assigned to the juvenile division in what does that mean? I mean school resource officer for all of the schools that are in the town of Danvers.

Go to say many of your responsibilities are fairly Monday. In day to day maintaining school safety and dealing with any issues that may come up in the school. Yes, but today wasn't like every other day officer, bald main concern. That day was school surveillance system had been recently installed after a complete remodel of the high school. What did you do at that point in the score on the school grounds? At that point, my my was to go to the video surveillance system, to try to find any information that could assist with the patrol division search of the fourteen year old, missing and also now with the teacher, what how many cameras were involved in the video surveillance. There's. A total of a hundred and forty campers we use video inside is the software cameras are globe. Styled ceiling motion detected cameras that are placed throughout the school. A hundred and forty cameras. Surely an easy to

ask to find out what happened to the missing teenager and teacher. Well, maybe not and are all of, the cameras produced by the same manufacturer manufacture, yes for their numerous companies that play a part in the in the camera system, in in the town of Danvers in the school system and initially pose any difficulties when the camera system first went into use that follow two thousand thirteen. Yes, numerous issues and enough for two thousand and thirteen, where the camera is numbered in any manner They were, they were not number in any order that would make sense to anybody that would be using them there. Not named at that time to make any sense. Anybody that's using them was basic be the start of the program, so it's how that they initially entered them To into the system- and and it was up to us the school eventually to start to name them where they, where the cameras

located and how we would use them by the location. Officer Baldassarre had trouble accessing the hundred and forty camera system from his aging computer Where did you go in the building to my office? You have a computer in your office, yes, star quality and age of the computer in your office. At that time, very old computer new software system- and how did those two things interact, not very well What difficulties were you having at that time, I'm trying to access the video system? Any type of video that I tried to pull up to view would either freeze crash or would skip out You know it change cameras, so it's very diff to try to find information, specifically, as the cameras aren't named locations that I know of, sort of follow up. I was trying to do. I had to use a an actual paper map and try to use the which they were using to try to figure out what camera

we are in the building I was. You knew what area of the building you want it to look for, but figuring out what camera covered that area. The building was difficult, that's correct, and even if you could get the cameras to play, then the system would crash or freeze yeah, so it freezes How long did you spend initially in your office, struggling with the surveillance system? a good amount of time until Captain Ambros arrived thirty, veteran and acting chief of police, Patrick Ambrose, arrives at the scene begins assessing the situation after I, I have had a brief conversation with sides in stone. I entered the high school and head for the conversation with Officer Baldassarre and where was Arthur sorry in the building about time he was inside on the first, when in an office area- and in fact his opposite- you know yes, it is, would you be able to see what he was doing yes, I did. He was working on the video system for cameras inside the school at that point, when you first,

first made contact with officer Baldassarre. Were you able to see any of the video from the school at that time? No, I did not, and why was that The system was not working or functioning properly. It was freezing and uh with all the salary was trying to get it up and running properly. Well, we worked on that? What did you go too? Well, we were speaking and he was working on that. He inform me that off so Winneburg was outside walk. The perimeter of the high school did you then go to the outside area? Yes, we will well by officer Winterberg, that she had discovered something She was asking for of the sorry to come outside to see it did she, anything with her carrying a black purse.

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there are some rocks there and that's how we refer to the first found sign of Colleen between the rocks in between some leaves by we found what was her purse and what did you do when you superstar the person I picked it up? I pulled it out of the leaves there. I'm trying to determine what it was. Was it just trash or something? And at that point I yelled over to Todd and Stephanie. There were still within voice distance and they came back and that point we opened it up and saw and with a pay stub or something, and then that identify there was Colleen's purse it who, if anyone did you turn over the purse? At that point, the police officer Where did you go now that we started walking into the woods a little bit and just looking through immediate area, underneath the tree line any further pieces of Colleen? or anything like that and Todd Mister Butterworth called me over

and he had found on the ground uhm some white gloves that had blood on them as well as when we look immediate vicinity. There were also some looks like some paper, towels or other remnants, and at that point we then spoke to told Stephanie and vacate in the area chief of police, Patrick Ambrose, an officer ball, the sorry head outside to rendezvous with the search team, what you have up to one of our two at that time: it off. So when a bird than off the ball, the sorry, the the have the first place back down on the ground at that point time an officer right, canine so just in Hamilton, was then responded to the scene Danvers, canine, police officer, Justin Ellington and his trusty dog Falco expand the search, the dog picks up ascent immediately after Ellington in that look up, yeah of leaves next, big boulder.

Falco come up on any other items. He did. Can you describe that for the jury? Please, just next. The where we located the purple bag to the left of the left boulder uhm there were a pair of soccer, cleats, Mens soccer, Cleats and a pair of ladies black flat shoes, were they? apparent mean when they were sitting on with a visible to the naked eye before Falco located them? No, but why was that? they were covered with leaves and again with respect to those items officer Ellington. Did you just preserve them and then leave them for someone else to collect. I did but other kinds of items. Did you discover in the gully that we discussed earlier. There was a clothing, strong and within that gully and where was it with respect to the recycling barrel, I'm sure

the recycling barrel if I'm looking into the gully was at the beginning of the gully on the left and the clothes were strewn to the right of it. Where were they meeting where they suspended or were they in the ground? Some of them were suspended due to the thick foliage that the pricker bushes- and there were, I believe, items on the actual floor of a deli. Were you able to identify what kind? What types clothing items. They were somewhat yes and You indicated that they had blood on them. Is that fair to say? Yes, some of them did and why? What did you observe that lead? You to believe and letting them well, for instance, a pair of jeans as I could tell had blood on them are there other kinds of dogs? Obviously the other kinds of dogs. Are there dogs, screened in other areas as well. Yes, ma'am, and can you explain that to the jury so we only have one cadaver dog and they find human remains so basic

any deceased person they they'll be able to locate, live, people and did you take steps to have that dog come as well? Yes, in the field, they find blood soaked. Jeans, a sock and a pair of black lady, pants sizes stonehead going to to look at another area or town winneburg I requested that she take a look power down the fence line by the dumpster area by the field, period the see if there were any other items that were down there, then along with off server Ellington and Offset Baldassarre, I fall with a K9 dog as he conducted a search of the area in the gully, where the clothing was found. Also, a note that says I hate you all and a large recycling bin the kind with wheels

in a pull handle in wife. Anything did you observe when you went out to the student teacher parking lot officer, Stephanie wanted Berg holding Colleen Ritzer's black bag, and where did you go back school at that point, or did you participate in working in the area around the entrance to the orchards and where the utility area I assisted, can an officer Ellenton in Captain roast with the the track of the canine dog? At that point, at least, are you the only person on scene who had experience in the criminal investigations division at that point? Yes, ok! Just to be clear: criminal investigations, the detectives division. Is that correct, that's correct and what, if anything, did you observe officer Allenton and his canine to locate? also in ten and a canine Falco located Recycling Bin. Including some sneakers and shoes.

In the that pathway that I showed on the video that led into the orchards from that field that was used at that time for pop Warner and things that's correct, not the pathway out by the field House, correct and when you, when those items were discovered, did you have an opportunity to observe the condition of those items? Yes, I did I'm not at that point. What was what steps did you take at that point? Sajan, Tansy and detective solving arrived, so that point I was assigned to go back to the school to continue What I was originally going to school to do look nearly at the video clip yes and Did you have any more success on the second time now, when you were turned into the building to look at the video equipment? Little at first But as the night went on, I started to get more and more with more time, familiarize yourself with how this

the quirks of this system and how it worked with the video surveillance then you would click onto a camera would show you what that camera pointed towards. We try to line up the Times dust I could to play. That camera captured in those top two time frames anywhere. You president, what's your attention directed after the fact to the items that they canine dog located the costs around? Yes, it was

and did you have an opportunity yourself to examine, in particular the recycling barrel and pulling that was found in the purple brush? Yes, I did based on these discoveries chief rose, did you take steps to involve other damberg personnel? Yes, I did He described for the very what you did right, we called in the detectives a division. I requested sergeant filth, hands either respond and to bring additional resources with him. Then I fur requested additional officers. The respond down to the scene, So we then working for Danvers on that shift. Other officers so currently working on the shift at that time. Eventually we called Additional offices from the oncoming shift, but initially it was essentially all hands on deck for those who are already working. That is correct. What they found was

worst case scenario, sometime later, Sir, were you notified that calling there been located in the yes, I was, Were you present, along with the police officers, to make the notification to the Ritz or family back at the police station? Yes, Colleen Ritzer, the twenty four year old teacher was dead, but where was Phillips, at some point without going into anything where you told, were you notified through dispatch that Phillip Chism had been located in Topsfield? Yes, I was after there was still a missing fourteen year old boy out there as a result of a missing persons report filed the damage police department late yesterday afternoon, Davis Police initiated an investigation locate a fourteen year old male, who not reach

I'm home from Davis High School earlier in the day at approximately one thousand one hundred and twenty pm. Last evening, Yamas police received a report that he Davis, high school teacher, had not returned home from work. It was not answering your cell phone as a result of that report, Danvers Police, initiated a search for the teacher and discovered blood and the second floor bathroom at sorry school, the school was immediately secured. This is Jamie Mint, auto a nine one, one dispatcher with the Danvers Police, Sir, drawing your attention to October twenty second of two thousand and thirteen for you working that regular five to one show. Yes, sir, on the evening of October. Twenty second: did you receive a call regarding a Philip chasm? Yes, do you know what At what time you receive the cloud about six hundred and thirty pm and who was the color blue is a Diana Chism, the mother,

just generally. What was the nature of her call? She wanted to put their son was missing overdue at home. And it's not an unusual call for you to get no. No, we get calls from parents that didn't eleven come home and an We have them come into the station and we have some bring a picture of their child and fill out a missing person report, and did you do that with MRS Chism? Yes, and did she provide you with a date of birth and a description for her son Phillip? Yes, What do you do with that information? I put that information out to the office on patrol so that they can. I'm looking for the person an. I notified the officer at the front desk in the officer in charge, and then we take that information for a juvenile, an enter it as a missing person into the computer right away and what effect, if you know, does it have to enter it into the computer? Who else can see it then that way surrounding towns? If they come across the person when they run the person through the computer, they can see

a person is a missing person and we are looking for that person in. In addition, sir, do you have? Are there any malls either in the town of Danvers are right nearby? Yes, this is the Liberty tree mall in tennis, and the noise from all in based on, experience with missing teenagers. Do you take any steps with respect to the two malls? When you got a report of a missing teenager, yes, yeah, I I call them all secure now. I don't know who will look and feel and does that to the best of your knowledge for the damage police have a twitter page, any facebook page yes, and I notified on the sides on duty that we should have this picture put on the Facebook said. People can get that social media and know that we have a missing person. This is large nestor She said her officer and a reserve patrol with the neighboring town of Topsfield just north of Dan, on the night of October 22nd? Were you aware of anything going on in the town nearby yeah?

so within the dispatch center, we would monitor the radio traffic from the towns are around us and we were heard. Danvers was looking for his missing student for better part of the night, and it at some point, did you hear other person AL being dispatched to Danvers? I think it was a model must have been about just about one slash two hour before I left for the night. The state police CPAC unit was called into the woods behind the Danvers High School, so Is your concern when you heard state police feedback being dispatched Danvers, it means it to US This is a dead body that they have to deal with? Who did you were you concerned that body was at that time? I believe that was the missing students from neighbors, but we did you get off right around midnight. That night I did. The the other dispatcher came on the twelve and I mean talk: or maybe ten or fifteen minutes, and then I left at that point around midnight. Lawrences shift is over and he goes home for the night and in his patrol car,

he drives along route? One hundred and two Lane RD fifty mile an hour road, it's just long and straight the lighting like not very many streetlights, there's no sidewalks or it's it's just a kind of a pullet section, road He is in a business area, residential area from that directions to primarily awards and there's a one farmhouse up on each side of rule one as you approach Danvers it's, not populated and, as you were driving away from the police station did something catch your attention. There was a as I was the Thing, the hill right as you leave the station. I just to my out of my out of my right side, I saw a black male walking along. He was walking n on the southbound side of the highway and where was he with respect to the highway?

He wasn't walking next to what he was off. There's a section of woods and stonewall. He was off to the right next to the wall in What, if anything, did you do as a result of seeing that I actually, this looked out of place to me. So I just continued on. I went up over the hill turned around and came back and, as I came back, I just kind of glanced to my left and I noticed that he was walking away from that. One farmhouse was continuing to walk along the stone wall on the sub on off the highway, as he was going North bound at that point and what, if anything, did you do then? At that point I called the station to let them know that that just didn't look like there was something out of place. There was a guy walking along the wood line along with one, and did you have any further involvement that nine no tops patrolman Neil Harvey reports to a shift and is a cute

be aware that there is a missing teen in the neighboring town. He decides that the first he'll do tonight is for him along the rail trail, crosses right by Danvers, high school and extends all the way up through top field was a concerned parent. I have children, my of my own uhm this cruiser that I was assigned to as a thermal imaging camera on it. So I did reply to my shift that I would go out and in the area of the rail trail by in Topsfield. I would check that area and see if I could identify anything and did you ultimately end up doing that No, I never made it out of the driveway patrolman hubby gets word that CPAC was called to the school. He assumes this means there's a ba and he assumes it's. That of the teenage I I believe that that time, that Sir ended and I specifically said to the dispatch up: I can't believe a fourteen year olds,

it would be that bad that he would kill himself so that sort of your working assumption at that time at that time, and wait. What did you go about doing in terms of working? Your shift I turned around in the driveway I went out back to the station and we have house key was that we need- and I started doing some of those choices in the garage some point where you dispatch to respond to something my years there was, and what was that we pull it and there was a black male, walking northbound on route one in the cell phone lane, and is there any anything of concern to you as a top to police officer about people walking on route one, is a concern, and can you explain that well, it's a it's just a two lane RD not very well lit

certain areas on there's no sidewalk in majority of the roadway on game speed of the of the vehicles. So how may consider it on not a safe place to walk in what type of action do you typically take with respect to pedestrians on route one? Yet we encourage them to either will give them a ride off the roadway find another path? Patrolman hubby responds to render assistance to the person walking alongside the poorly lit two lane highway. I need to the got my cruiser and came out of the playstation driveway and then kind of right now going southbound on route. One in. Do you know about what time this was that you got the call about someone walking on route, one

I believe the dispatch time was around twelve twenty eight in the morning, twenty a pastel, so this probably goes without saying. But what was the lighting like out at twelve twenty eight in the morning, the stock? And when you left the station, did you know where your fellow officer on an art a what he was with me at the station in the same cruiser? No and given, because we were in the garage together: okay, instead piccoli for republic. That would you both respond. Yes, the two patrol spot, the man and white? What caused you to stop two slash ten of a mile mark, or, as I was proceeding to the area um when I was driving up the hill s bomb I had meaning observed a black male that was at the indentation of the guardrail. I mean it was at the last minute, it's too dangerous to stop at first, so patrolman Harvey passes the man and turns his patrol car. Around the three point turn and then I

back northbound in the northbound lane officer hubby, I think I got a little bit ahead of us, but you indicated you did a three point turn and you pulled over. What did the mail do when you pulled over when I pulled over he stopped as well and he's now on the other side of the highway from you. That is correct for two lane highway. Don't need those keys in the cells playing dominant northbound and did you get out of your cruiser? Yes, I did. Where did you go across the street to the bowling. As you approached the mail where you able to see what he was wearing is what was he wearing, turquoise, full zippered, hooded, sweatshirt, a black shirt black shorts I need high length socks He had blue Adidas sneakers with a greenish yellowish stripe.

The speakers and he also had a red and black nylon bolstering. Right back at that point. Could you see whether it was anything around his neck around his neck? When I got closer, I could see there was pulled down. There was a clump of clothing. They will learn to be a ski mask and what was the temperature, like but you were called that evening. He was cool. I believe I was forty seven degrees in when you approached the mail in what direction was he looking? facing northbound continuing to look up through one. Yes, essentially looking the point of view of the person you took that picture, that is correct, okay and were you where were you with respect to him? Would you position yourself hi to his right side, so you're a actually talking to his right

shoulder in his profile. Is that fair to say yes to both four five feet away from him and what, if any communication did you have with him at that time? I asked him where he was going in what I tell you, he said no. Where and what else did you ask? Him I then asked him where he was coming from in east did Tennessee NBA. It's on the condition of his clothing. Did it appear to you, he'd been out for a long time. What other further questions? Did you ask him at that time? I again asked him 'cause, those were not typical responses again ask them where he was going and he they didn't know. Where and what was the lighting like in the area where you were making contact with this mail? This time, were you able to see his face? Yes, I was at some point head officer. Dibernardo arrived

and did he join in your conversation with the defendant? Yes, he did. Can you just describe what any further conversation you had with the defendant? First, specifically yourself, I asked him where he, where he lived in EAST Asia, has no address to ask him anything at that time about who he was if he had an id on him, what did he tell you in your ear, shot officer, Dibernardo ask him anything but we're not after De Bernardo arrived, he asked him to take his hands out of his pockets and which that's where his hand in his sweatshirt pocket and did the defendant respond. You see. Do meaning he took his hands out of his pockets and did officer Dibernardo. Ask him anything else. We asked him what was in the backpack how big of a backpack wasn't, meaning how full yeah? It was a full in nature and

the defendants say one when I asked him what was in the backpack survival gear? You really can't get more suspicious than how this young man is acting. It's like he's resigned himself to the fact that he's going to be taken into custody at that point? So what did you do with respect to the defendant and then play my partner took the backpack phone, from the body, and did you do anything ultimately with respect to the defendants person after that? We, because the dark nature of the road we escorted on across the street,

see the location for us between the two, please close, okay, and what we see for about that location between the two police cruisers following an emergency landing with the protection of of thing out these kinds. And what, if anything, did you do with respect to the defendant when you reach the other side of the road and him standing at the trunk of the first page because of my lease was in between the two cars at the trunk of your cruiser before the hood of us, or even our records are yes, okay and what happen next at that time, I asked him to remove the contents from his pockets put them on the trunk of my clothes. Did he do that? Yes, indeed, and when you say pocket which pockets are we talking about and he's the pockets of the shorts? How did you know that there was anything in the pocket of his shorts on, other side of the street. I did a pat frisk of his front glass.

My pockets in what had you felt when you touch the area of the defendant? Short pockets, one pocket? It was a hard plastic similar to an identification card Oregon. The card was a hard piece of plastic in the other pocket. When did you feel it was a oblong object, oblong objects in the right pocket an ultimately when the defendant took the things out of his pocket on the hood of your unheard of officer, Dibernardo Screws, or rather what did those objects proved to be the Long is the hard hard plastic objects, True Massachusetts drivers license is, there was credit cards, it was an insurance card in the

The pocket was the hard oblong logic turned out to be a rock. The prosecution enters the credit and identification cards found on the suspect into evidence,

who's, the cards and identifications that you found in the defendant's pocket the early morning of October, twenty third, yes, it is and whose Massachusetts identification and driver's license are, though, calling me to at that time. Sir. Did that mean that means you know what to do when those items came out of the defendant's pocket. What, if anything, did you all through the one on Alaska after I examine the id's? I looked at the body and I asked them. What is your name, and what did he tell you? Philip Chisholm ended that name have any significance to you. Yes, indeed, how did you recognize that name? I love my daughter had told me before I left for work,

have to be the missing teen out of ambers. That is correct. Did that knowledge in any way change the encounter you were having with the defendant, while went from concern for my own safety 2A, almost a parent mode, where I really couldn't believe I was in disbelief that I had found sing for Kenny RD and then I was able to bring a fourteen year old safely to his parents and what steps. Did you take in order to go about making that happen at that time, that time. We ask them a few more questions, but then we my partner, said to him? Why don't you get warm and sit in the back seat of the gruesome and we're going to bring you to the police station, and when you say you asked a few more questions. What were those questions about? We asked him where he got these identifications. He stated he found them

Did one of you ask him further questions about that? We both did. I ask them where he found them and he stated, coffee shop, Do you know where the closest stop and shop is to where you stopped him? Damn is about three miles away, He was there any further questioning about that. My partner has them which stop and shop, and he said I did. I do not know after the creation about the identifications coming from stop and shop. Was there any further conversation with the defendant at the roadside? Ask we again where he got these. He said from her car problem is called this: car was back at the school where she had left it at twelve early this morning to Asheville police responded to reports. Pedestrians walking n in the southbound lane of route. One officer approached the Pradesh

and as realize he was the person that was the subject of the Davis police alert. The juvenile was transported today, police station Phillip is transported to the police station, where a thorough examination of his backpack is conducted in. Did you have any conversation with him about his backpack? At that time I asked him if there's anything dangerous, in the backpack. That would cause harm to myself and it got out routine question. You asked before inventorying anything. Yes, it is, and what, if anything, did the defendant respond? He stated years now you would indicated on the side of the road the defendant was not making eye contact with. You is that cracked in the station, where with you looking, but he indicated yes, there was something in the backpack. Is that correct? Yes, what? If anything, do you do at that time? I got a little more concerned about

What was dangerous about it, I put on a pair of gloves, and then it was like a pull string, so I started inching it open, so I could see the inside of the contents and as you opened it, what was the first item that you were able to see and retrieve wallet and what kind of a wallet was it white wall and get it appear female? I'm not asking you the brand. I promise it appear female yeah did you notice anything about the condition of my wallet, nothing out of the ordinary. What, if anything, did you do at that time? With respect to the wallet I placed it on the counter? Ok, what with the next thing that you did, now there's a multi colored, actually Vera Bradley. So after the big case, then I removed,

Then it was a white and a blue with white stripe like shirt, athletic shirt that was specifically size lodges in fourteen to sixteen on it. Do Wednesday, sheer underwear in the color of light blueish, greenish color. It was true, camelback water bottles, keys? They were. Two of twins tape. One role being black and white on the other role being read and like a duck tape similar to duck tape, there was a set of keys Powell, flashlight that was orange and black There was what I would consider a scuba diving knife on that was in a chase

within any kind of packaging now is a like a goes around your waist. So I had a chance- and I wasn't in the citation and as you remove each of these items from the bag rated you place place them on the counter and were there other sort of miscellaneous items in the back as well, and what kind of things were in?

miscellaneous papers and all the contents in one the bag was empty. What did you do not? At that time I opened up the White Curtis away wallet that first item you had removed his and when you open that, what did you observe, observe the box cutter or and what, if anything, did you notice about the condition of the box? Wade was still protruding out and had a reddish brownish colored substance on the on the box and and you will deserve that. What, if anything, did you do, and I asked him one is: is this and how did he respond? It's the girls. Have you picked it up or done anything to display to him at that time? Nine of the wall in my hand, and it was in the wall and after he said it, the girls. What, if anything you can do stopped in? Did you remain in the room at that time? That time my partner read him his Miranda rights, and where did you go out? I stand here for that process and what that process with complete? What did you do and I left the room and went into the dispatch area and what

Call Danvers police, Tell them when you returned to the room. Do you have cartooning make any further observations of the defendant person or the condition of his clothing. On my partner brought to my attention, two pieces of clothing and that he was wearing. This watch is everywhere in the snake is and what did you notice about the jacket and the speaker of the sweatshirt in the sneakers? At that time? Ipod had taken those two objects away from the and then he pointed out to me the similar brown reddish stains there on the jacket the same sinless names on this on the sneakers and when you take him or do you mean, can Miller to those on the block? Yes, if you ever used a box cutter, you know exactly how the blade can be. It's uh. These are blade attached to a sturdy metal handle

there's a lot of damage you can inflict with it in the cutters displayed as evidence in the court room, the jury is in the back by the writing on it a remnant of an earlier time? Inside of the box cutter with a black sharpie, someone has written for Phil First tool. The prosecutor turns the item over to expose additional writing on the other side, which says don't cut your arm off?

Sir, is this is actually the condition of the blame when you opened wallet back early morning. Yes, it was, and the writing on this side of the box cutter without writing already present when you found is already present and turning the box cutter. All of our was that writing also present when you found the box cutter that early morning. Yes, it was. Did you notice at that time after having those Red brown marks that are on some of these items? I do not what would make this boy

You obviously received this first tool as a gift from possibly a parent or grandparent use it to take an innocent life. His first tool used for his first murder, defense team tries to paint a picture of it. Young man. Possibly from some uncontrollable mental illness unaware and not possible, for his actions appear to be staring off in the distance, and I will be able to see his face during this encounter.

We stand to the side of him and then I and it was fun to some front facing sorry, yes and you notice anything else about his facial expression. While you were there nothing out of the ordinary, but he just kept staring yes, would you characterize him as a dazed still that he wasn't understanding and you came back to the same question again pretty quickly, write. Ask him a second time. That's correct, and again he said no, where correct, and then you had some more conversation with him on the other side of the road. You move them over there between the cruisers or anything instructions, to empty his pockets? That's correct and um. When you did that, did he look at you? You look straight ahead, but he was compliant

so easy to do and what direction is he looking like you're, giving them those instructions straight ahead of what we're, what directly facing analyst and that the car truck is in front of them? That's correct is not working so I decide Where was your partner, while you were giving him those instructions behind him to his left side? Is he speaking at all? He did it. He turned toward your partner when your partner spoke and we did not, but he complied with your instructions. And then um forgive me if you already said this, but who drove him back to the station which car was in so are you alone in the car with him? At that point? Yes, sir, I I was in the backseat cancer. Could you try to make a conversation with them? No, I did not.

Did you say anything million, I guess at their convenience and when you were putting them in the car and a return to work ask you anything. My partner put him in the castle. Did you watch it? Yes, and how did he respond with your partner, moving him into the back seat of the car? My Bina said to him: let's get you warm sit in the back seat of the cruiser and he said ok for years he said. Ok, he is and then somebody had to help him up the stairs in the station from the garage up into the booking area. It's normal and customary for us. So was there any conversation with him? Then another was not so so from the moment. You first approach him on the screen until you're up in the booking area and going through his

inventorying, his property more or less in front of them. The only only thing you ever set up to that point was ok other than answering the questions and then he answered your question to the right questions. So you will. You look through the things you found in the backpack, correct correct, ok and you identify what the different paper items were correct, correct you notice that receipts in the universe, the President's name on them correctly. When you're going through those papers, it was very contact information for anybody else amongst those papers, not that I recall address with phone number on a piece of paper or anything like that and more

well I mean one of the things you wanted to know is: where was he going right? That was your first question to him. Yes, but there was nothing you found in those papers that indicated that somebody was going to meet or some place he was going to, or somebody was going to call that's correct. It's just walking n on route, one that's correct what's up there, but if community would be Ipswich and it's a fairly rural area. Also, he will be walking along with one person and the further you go. The more rural it gets is an affair. Yes, sir, I think you said that when you Your partner asked him in your presence. What was in the bag that he used the expression survival here? Yes, he did. Survival knife

in that bag. I don't know there. She goes through. It was some hand warmers in there. Yes, it was there. Anything else you can think of is something somebody would take another wilderness with them. Nothing that I haven't already identifying some hand: warmers a scuba knife box cutter and some credit cards from a dead woman. Surely not the best play, but not every crime has to have a mastermind it's tearing off the distance and not having a particularly good plan proved. That Philip Chism was insane was not respond for his own actions back at the school even more chilling evidence against the fourteen year old and Sir Fair to say that since that time in the two years since then you very familiar with the video footage from

starting in the early morning and then primarily in the afternoon of October 22nd at Danvers, high school, yes, and particularly with back to video footage from the time when calling Ritzer luck go to the bathroom and then next. Eight or nine pieces of video footage after that you're very familiar with those? Is that cracked, yes, no they're, fair and accurate depiction of what the cameras captured in the hallways of Danvers High school at that time? Yes, once again, Chief Ambrose, and she cameras at some point, were you asked to go back through the building to go into Oxford. Although Sorries office, yes, it was, and was off the head off survival. Sorry been successful in pulling up some video, yes, in what video did you observe at last time, uh A video of Colleen during the second floor, bathroom and then being followed in by the defendant.

Next time on sword and scale? Today we heard from investigators he has been telling much of what happened. What he says happened at least to them. He began talking as soon as they pick them up. It is made several incriminating statements and did she make any specific statement about why the boy in her classroom was there? She said, I don't know why he's here he was looking down the ground he kind of single bit down in the dumps. I guess you'd say approximately eleven minutes then went by where there is no. Forty of those bathrooms is Akram. Yes, so her body was intact and it seemed to be covered with organic debris, so leaves pine needles. Dirt, Dallas police initiated search feature discovered blood and the little bathroom at Danvers High School

make? No mistake about it, the so this court will be enforced in her family statement

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