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#106: Shiza Shahid, Malala Fund Co-Founder

2017-11-01
Growing up in a post-9/11 Pakistan, Shiza Shahid had what she called an "activist childhood," where she volunteered in prisons, refugee camps and disaster relief efforts after the 2005 Kashmir earthquake. When the Taliban issued an edict banning girls from going to school, the then-Stanford University sophomore created a secret summer camp in Pakistan for girls, one of which was a 12-year-old Malala Yousafzai. When Malala was shot in 2012 by a Taliban gunman, Shahid co-founded the Malala Fund to promote Malala's story of perseverance and advocacy for girls' education.
This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
Hey guys quick note: all new episodes of ten percent happier are now available on the tunisian APP new episode will be released every Friday on tune in that's five days early just for tuna listeners. download the apt day and check out for free from ABC Is it a ten percent happier vodka? And here we have a great example this week of somebody recently adopted meditation. It is putting it to you, and a fascinating fast pace, high pressure environment, she's a shot head he's in entrepreneurship and investor she's, asleep. you're on issues right women's rights. She is also ensure capitalist and is perhaps
known for having cofounded the Mullah Fund with Malalai Use of thy who was shot in Pakistan, simply fur attending school and went on to win a Nobel Peace Prize and she's it was had a pre existing relationship with Malaysia under some interesting circumstances that you'll hear about when, when you, when we let her tell her story, and has really been with Mila at many key steps in her journey after having survived that horrible attack and and she's the embrace of meditation in the ways in which is using it. I found to be really interesting and also she's, just kind of impressive in numberless ways, so without further Ado hears Caesar. you for donors for shares to pleasure to meet you pleasure to meet you you're.
You make me feel bad eve accomplish mourner early, mid twenties and I have in my net forties, but meanwhile, twenty. If you knew how old you twenty eight is. Ok, fair enough, you still accomplished a lot. That's where I come from. People live shorter life, so, relatively speaking, where, where did you grow up? Nowhere in Pakistan as ok. I know your many times ass. Many many I was I I know her Zombie Mariette, which then get blue blown up. My sister got married there really There is a very nice place. It was. They had great chinese food. They did that's right. That's great! I remember I had never been to Pakistan didn't know anything about it and then nine slash eleven happened and I said, pakistan- and I had I just pictured something very basic, You'Re- very kind- I just didn't know what to expect a nice you up and
I'm saying as he is all about Mary at which they write, elaborate chandelier in fancy. Food was not at all what I expected now with the joke about Islam, about as its fifteen away from Pakistan. Here I mean it was carved out of essentially a forest, so it's pretty well manicured, yes, but it's very sleepy to very small town you're, not much to do but nice, nice, but when the Mcdonald's opened it offenders is the biggest thing that happened there. So sort things out asking about because you're up to so interesting things Bobby but the question I would start with, which is: how do you get to meditation kind? You do some so getting into meditation, but I was Your work and I was building a start up, call them along the fund, which is now global education on profit, and I was exhausted. Aristotle and all the time I was surrounded by entrepreneurs who were Kennedy Building companies as well- and We would share things that worked for us having,
or energy and being able to be more present, and so I started it Caroline about meditation and my Shall we action was that's not gonna work for me, I'm way to ADHD and the earth. types that I tried. I struggled way, especially you know, focusing on the breath. It never quite worked for me, but I can hearing about it over and over, and so it was something that was in the back of my mind and then This last December, I get very self inflicted at the end of every year and I was can taking some time and reading more and I just tried different types of meditation and it started to stick I did a lot would sound. I data Would body scanners- and I realise that those just worked better for me, and
this year, I would say: I'd meditative, you almost everyday, I'm not really just about it, but you know. If I don't do it for a day. I definitely miss it and I just kind of find time and use that to to do it for a couple of minutes, and sometimes it's ten minutes, and sometimes it's half an hour, and I never thought I'd be just sitting in meditating for half an hour or so That's incredible pleasant. Surprise! I have to say you must be a mean. Formation of a new healthy habit is a famously hard thing to do so. Would you say that Europe particularly discipline person or did you just find something that was working for you and therefore the rewards, reinforced the habit, I'm very disciplined. In fact, that's one of the reasons I don't have a daily practice that I I do it the same time, because that's hard for me to convince myself if I have to end the moment, fell like this is the right time, and this is how we do it today,
but I think what happened was the initial times I tried it. The structure wasn't, pleasurable in the least and when I try later on when different formats, in particular with music corps. focusing on body sensations which can actually be quite intense. There was an element of pleasure, and am- and I think that a lot of we'll, try meditation and they think it's socks and its painful. You know and I believe this I thought you know it's always each have to do it and then you feel the benefits afterwards. When I didn't realize was if you found something that worked and where it was, and into the zone. It was actually very pleasurable
I once I found that pleasure in the practice than it was something that I could keep going back to. What would you think you're getting out of it? It was somebody with the density of your schedule. An amount on your played importance of Richard what do you think you get? I think it helps tremendously with anxiety and down with being able to be with yourself without needing to fill. It too fell the space. What something? Rather, that's distracting yourself with television or food or people. I think when you're on when you're running around a lot. You tend to get a lot of adrenalin highs all the time, and that feels good at the end of the Air when that adrenaline, rushes and happening can become very difficult to be with yourself, and I think this is something that a lot of entrepreneurs face cause. It's always so
high stakes and then when they paws on theirs is discomfort, and they need to feel that discomfort with something me meditation allowed me to be with myself and find pleasure and calm without needing to fill it with something or some one. and then it allowed me to really noticed a thought patterns as well and see how unkind I could be to myself how judgmental and I'll, frivolous and useless. A lot of the thoughts TAT I was having were
and had led me to see him as a things it occupied my mind and the fears that I heard more clearly and then being proactive about transit dress, those of Europe. You are like nine months in and a great spokesperson already for the year for the practice. That's it is described, but this thing does for you, your less entranced enchanted by this nonstop conversation you're having with yourself it where you're just constantly your egos just giving you terrible idea. You know it and you therefore make bets vision. October down to your benefit here. You know I grew up in religious family, so my parents are practising Muslims and they they prayed five times a day. I always sub areas can a crazy. I was here had to belong to a religion cannot be one of those rare. It was you know too
as an aside day or five times a day is an intense amount of of prayer, and I now look back bad and I think, of the benefit of pausing five times a day and reflecting and being at peace with whatever is happening and becoming deliberate about what it is that you're trying to create in your life. I think that a lot of more secular societies are now trying to figure out. What are we supplement prayer with more religion with and for me that was definitely something that that was important. What's your relationship to Islam now, and will you think your parents would think of you meditating instead of Frankfurt? Am I mean, I think? Third, am. yeah, I think meditation has roots in most. Religion was right and I think that the Sophie branches of Islam had deep meditative,
practice says I'm nodded again drivers. Secondly, I am not an expert in Sofia, Islam, but I believe they do this thing they struck twelve. There dancing My understanding of that is that it does put you into a meditative state. The toiling Ass others, meditative states and exotic states as well. I think meditations pretty first, I'm quite secular in my belief systems. I think you know there is valued all religions and it it's kind of what you make of it by Adam, But I do think that it's important that we have something that allows us to be spiritual onto be connected to something that's more meaningful. I love that you went through a process that alive you will go through witches.
You thought about meditating and then thought. Why can't do that, because I can pay attention anything at long last, be I think you said before to ADHD. This is something I here all the time and people I I would love to meditate, but I can't my mind too crazy. I'm a bunch to say about that. One of the things I have to say about that is it everybody's mind is crazy and that's just the way, the human condition? Is that the mind evolution has left us with
But I love you actually investigated what works best for you. I don't know a lot about meditation music, but I do know what a bit personal experience about. I scan meditation, which is where you can systematically pay attention to a parts of the bikers sweep through the body and feel the sensations that are there and a speaking from my own experiences and it's a really powerful and have sometimes cut, as you said, before, very pleasurable kind of meditation yeah absolutely am. I think that there is something to what type of meditation does your personality
best react to, and I haven't heard much in this space. I think there's definitely something to different forms for different people and that ain't for me focusing on the bread, something I can do deeper into a couple of minutes of practice. But it's not something that works for me or even today, works for me and and am I wish there was a little bit more information on what types of meditation you could try. Based on what type of person you are well like a good Frederick, I wished you are identifying and opening a something that needs to be done. This is absolutely something that needs to be done. I it's true not only that we, the different people, take two different kinds of meditation, but you may take two different kinds of meditation at different times of the day at a different. Your life? So I have maybe like four five moves that I make and religious depends on what I am of the day it is in. What's going on and where I am, and I think
You're really useful service to provide to people there you can come in you know. Maybe we take a look. I don't know what the metrics are like will do. We look at your brain do we interview you or what do we just? Have you try a bunch of stuff but for sure for sure you are on something without their bunch of other things. We can talk about as pretence meditation but do. I look like I want to hear a little bit more about what you're up to professionally and we have made some you talked about. The MILAN can tell me about that sure. So, sorry I go back to how it all began sigh. I grew up in Pakistan. As you know, I was born into a pretty modest self made traditional family and my parents made the revolutionary decision to send me to good private school. I wasn't that good bet. It gave me upward mobility. I got to give things like the US eighteen S and learned English, why
but I was growing up at a time when by the sun had a lot of challenges mean traditionally its had second highest number: two were not a school in the entire world. It's right The second worst place to be worn, a woman, but at the time that I was growing up, there was rising violence, terrorism. I was opposed nine eleven world an eye at a young age became very passionate about training, make a difference. Understand what was happening around me. So I can and grew up in this weird activists childhood. I was volunteering in women's prisons in refugee camps in post disaster relief. You probably recall there is a very big earthquake in Pakistan and I was quite involves em in helping earth victims afterwards, and then I became very active and protesting van military government and therefore that I remember lawyers and zigzagging silent. You know sneak out to protests sneak out.
My father was for one. There were legitimately concerned about my safety and for another, my there had joined the Navy. He had been. He lost his father, he's very young and two essential. they get an education? He joined the navy that could at college is very young, and so he was, as we were assumption on loud protest because of his job, because he served the cup meant, but they were very. They were, they were then stop me. They told me not to do it, but when I sneak out. They would find out, they wouldn't let it be so so that was my childhood and I am not usually parents, I'm sorry to interrupt. You just want to point out that accept a very conservative society. My understanding, you you'll correct me if I run a foul or the facts here, but
from what I can glean having been there many times very conservative, burial, religious, patriarchal and so to have parents who allowed you to which you were doing That seems unusual. He has here is a third. They youngest child survivor mellow by the time I was growing, my siblings or older, they left for college. So in a day they definitely did some things that were very forward. Thinking like putting us in private schools when they couldn't afford it and, as we know when we could have gone to the military school, which was still pretty good compared to what most most Children were getting access to and then for they practice what I called benevolent neglect united in over parent me at all. There were like she's fad she's going to school. She's if she's fine- and I know in
the you ass. You see a lot of very active parenting with you know four year olds in private schools and violent classes, Do you know? I think what had allowed me to do is because I was on my own, figure out what I wanted to do and get out there and be a lot more entrepreneurial by Adam. But when I was eighteen, I am applied to college and job getting a scholarship to stand for it. I didn't really know it's down. It was I just need there is one school and backs on a good picture myself going to an ash, probably have a back up, so you know applied, namely to the? U S and end up getting on. You know, fluoride, to go to Paul. Two, and that was a first. I'm actually exposed entrepreneurship intact and I realize that the challenges that I was trying to solve underground in Pakistan, brick by brick, school by school. You could do a lot of that. Sometimes more scalable e with tonight. Jeanne Entrepreneurship. I also realise that, while I was in the bush,
of innovation, the people, and me were not exposed to deep poverty. They didn't have the perspective of the world that idea and so very often they were innovating for their own friends are on social circle, so it was, you know, food delivery, apps and dating apps and drones that deliver your tacos. I didn't make that last one now and I thought maybe there maybe My opinion has value here, so we can very interested in this intersection, but at the same time things and facts and we're getting worse, and there was an insurgency, the north of Pakistan and the swamp family and group affiliated with the family man took over they back violent. They began to blow up girls, schools and, in January two thousand nine, when I was a sophomore at Stanford declared and all that ban on girls. Education, and so here I was at Stanford getting this incredible education and grow.
Close, your eyes had grown up or being told it can go to school, and I thought you know maybe there's something I can do to raise awareness, because people generally known this would happen. Journalists were not able to gain access very effectively to the area to report on what was happening. Those on the inside. It always been so isolated that they didn't really have the networks and the connections to get the word out. and so I ended up going back to Pakistan and I created a secret summer camp in Islamabad, and I snuck out about twenty seven school girls from the Swamp Valley to Islamabad and essentially had two goals. One race teach these girls to tell their stories effectively so that They can advocate for peace on their own behalf, and the other was make sure that the military politicians, journalists here these stories first hand so that they know what's happening from school girls perspective. I will be moved to intervene and re, establish law and order similar
I was one of those school girl. She was eleven at the time that I first connected with her and twelve when she came to my summer camp and then she was shot. Three years later, I had graduated from Stanford by then I had taken my first job out of college. Mckinsey had asked him to move me out to the Middle EAST We should tell people what Mackenzie is too Mckinsey is regarded. The top business consulting and I had no idea what it was before very to get a job to It was on something I don't really know is a thing until I, was graduating. I looked around for jobs, and I realized I rise. A nonprofit sector doesn't values talent very highly, and I felt that if I could get a strong business training, and then maybe a fancy business school degree than I could combine my two worlds of impact and business and do something at the intersection that Stanford had taught meter explore, and I was a year into my time at Mckinsey when Malo shot answers.
I was personally very upset and went in to be with her in her family and out, miraculously she recovered and suffer no brain damage and down I should be covered. I started to get phone calls from people from friends in America and around the world who had heard the story and they wanted to help, and that I went to Malala and her family and I said you know I think people want to help you. What should they do and they turn to me, and they said you know we're fine. You should tell them to help other girls who are get an education, and so that was really the beginning of them. My own, illustration, though, a mile I had been through could be more than a day in the new cycle and She wanted to continue to make a difference and there is an opportunity to take this on a train changed the world in a positive way. So tell me more about what exactly one does sure. So
How it began was really euro. Twenty two Malo shot an IRA started to help her think about. there is others interest in her story. I wanted to help her make sure that she told the story in her own words on her own, So I essentially on sergeant advise I'm on new being very careful and deliberate about what they said next and help them put in place for lack of time. there were a damn storytelling plan and we ended up putting out two books that became bath salaries and then a film that did really well and dumb And I started ass: she recovered to be really thoughtful about going to a few specific places and talking about a few specific policy issues on girls, education such as well,
Three hundred girls were kidnapped in northern Nigeria without that would be a really important time to go and lend support and visibility and so is really helping construct. This plan of you know what I've heard. She showed her story and what issues we we had a voice on that we thought we could authentically represent and bring deeper combined. awareness to and then is that story started to resonate there really striking, how many people were moved by It was something where in if you were a girl in Afghanistan, you identified MILAN, if you were you now, the parent of Vienna, a kid in like every side in Manhattan, you're alive, you know you should go to school, don't you know Malalai got shot for going to school, It just had the universal appeal right and it Please check a cord and surrender that the question was. Ok, people are
spired. What are we asking to do? that's where the idea of the militia fund was born. I had no intention of doing this. Time I was just kind of doing. This hung on the side and helping and MILAN her father said where we're not gonna do this. Unless you drive it initially because In those early days. You know they felt that I understood their culture and I understood the west and then there is his deep relationship of trust, and so so I quit make moved to New York and created this organisation into what it does. Is it s three things one is storytelling, so, whether that's MILAN story or the stories of other girls who are fighting for educate, arms are really giving an emotional person. connection to the to the broad face this issue of Vienna hundred thirty million girls are out of school in the world, the second thing it does is it does advocacy around girls, education policy, so push
governments to guarantee twelve years of free, high quality education, tall girls and then the third thing is crap, making some providing grants. Innovative organisations around the world, helping girls, get access to education, aloft yeah a bigger and organization. You have was growing very rapidly and you know I think the impact of the of the work has really been in in getting other peoples at a table to collaborate for girls, education, innovation and your two and a half years after I started the organization. I was with Mullah at the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony and she was seventeen. and became the youngest ever Nobel Peace Prize winner, so is really a transformative journey. For me, I was twenty five after that. I realized that. No, I believe, deeply in the importance of philanthropy as a driver for social.
I was witnessing once again that the fastest growing solutions, whether that was in education or health care or financial inclusion, they weren't being driven by nonprofits, are being driven by entrepreneurs, and so that drove me back. To the West Coast, where I launched when I'm working on now, which is an early stage, Vc Fund that invest in mission driven technology start ups. and so are you still with Malaysia, I'm co founder and I'm a close friend and adviser and cheerleader for the organisation of the organizations. Thriving has a great team and an desire is all grown up. Really so I mean it's quite remarkable: to have started organization, see yet to maturity and be able to leave with confidence that it will continue to exist.
Yeah I've absolutely absolutely minimal. My husband likes to jerk, that's the first time. I met him on a very first date. I raise some early in the days of the model fund and he said what is success. Look like to you I said. Well, you know we want to make a dent on girls, education and I promised MILAN and her family. I would do this until we had momentum so then later on that night here who still pushing me unless you are what is momentum, look like in in an ideal world, turned him, and I said you know what If I do my job really, while in twenty years MILAN, well when the Nobel Peace Prize, and she wine. I think it is about a year later, I'm so our inner is a great privilege to be a part of that agenda and to see her doing so well, today, But then to really be able to go out and invest in the other MILAN, Other change makers that have big idea is to change the world.
But knowing that if their solutions are backed by market forces that allow them to scale because I'm with a nonprofit space while I believe in its power and its importance, I think that we can really struggle to scale solutions. The Tommy, what car companies so you know so we're investing in you know anything that we think has you, scale rapidly It has an underlying focus on purpose and mission, so it invested in a company called Lucy that is on its market place for new parents and it how new parents book anything that they need in terms of support services other than the primary care physician, but The reason is so interesting to me from an Pacsun point. Is you know, becoming mother in Particular- is still the number one reason that women are in seventy seven cents on the dollar
U S. Economy was designed with mothers as the greatest subsidy. It wasn't design for two people to be working almost always the ones career suffers an actors, we don't know how to redesign the workplace for working parents. We note We should be doing certain things I providing maternity and paternity leave and flexible work, but We don't know entirely how to redesign it based on different needs of different parents and so on The value now have you. No companies like Facebook that pay for things like egg freezing, forty thousand sixty thousand dollar procedure and great, because someone we want to delay having children, but not all women on its painful procedure and doesn't always work and so this child How do you provide the right support system, but do it in a way that doesn't, as you did, all women need the same thing. All women don't need to work from home
Some women need to get out of there. Women being the office because they have kids running around distract them at home. So how do you scale a new kind of workplace that is designed for women and for men who are parents issues, while my wife, play, publish position, but you know truck finding the amount of flexibility, professional flexibility in order to also you know, do what you want to do as a mom. It's just incredibly challenging, and I think this is a huge problem in our economy for sure and flex. Flexibility is just the name of the game that a lot of employers aren't set, provide that flexibility is certainly absolutely so Suno. All of that to say we would invest in anything where we think. It's me, no, first and foremost, exceptional founders, who have what it takes set out,
second at something that scalable and has the right market forces behind on the business model. I'm a third where we think there is a fundamental impact or mission I think the broader conversation here is, My generation wants to work for companies that give them a sense of him of purpose in meaning they want to buy products that represent values, and I think that we are seeing the shift in capitalism, which essentially is young people saying
you know several things about how the economy's design today work. Fine, but several things, don't you know. So what? Why? Should companies only be responsible to shareholders and not the other stakeholders? Why should wealth only be created for investors and not for you know all the people that participate in making a company successful? Why shouldn't a company be more sustainable if it can be, why shouldn't companies be thinking about diversity from an early stage versus you know having a lot in Silicon Valley. When there's three hundred people in and they realize that they don't have women with a seat at the table, and so I think it's it's it's broader conversation of what is important to my generation and and to us in this moment in time, in evolving the way that we do business in the way we invest in the way we consume in the way we work we hear so much of late about experience, for wit
and in Silicon Valley. Wouldn't Europe as a young woman in a position of real without you, knowing it in traffic out there in the mix. Doing interesting, important things. Have you want up into problems. you're Silicon Valley is it's a very homogenous ecosystem when it comes to who controls the wealth and adds something like ninety three percent of partners and friends under our mail and when you are investing yeah. I just spoke about how, when we invest, we invest in a team. And so in matters more than in other industries who has a seat at the table. My network has a lot of women and people of color, because I'm a woman of color and because that's been makes France in life, and so it's just inevitable when you have a very specific background represented across the board in venture capital,
that you're gonna end up with a situation where I think it's less than five percent of all venture capital goes to women founders. And so you know, and then that cycle continue Try and if you ask some, anywhere in the world, to name a great entrepreneur. The main aim spell gates: it's Mark Zuckerberg bearing Steve jobs. Where are the women right, and so it says cycle that is, that is growing in perpetuating We need more women where people of color making investment decisions in Silicon Valley, not just because it's the right thing to do but because that when you see innovation that serves a broader group and he see better companies and you see better returns. Do you didn t, you know breadth of your responsibilities are responsible to your shareholders. You have your own person.
head of hopes, innovations in dreams and the pace of investing. I know I know a little bit of a venture capital, good, my brothers of Edric Capitalist and because I have a start up what we have educational investors, so I have some sense of, just a tiny sands of the pressure is, you must face. I just curious to see what how is meditation showing up for you in this context him do see room for it to grow in interesting ways in terms of how you do your job. Absolutely absolutely. I think that meditation is helping me. They come are conscious, leader. I think it's helping me focus on being present. with the entrepreneurs that I invest in, so that I am really there to be able to help them and Anna Entrepreneurship is, it is brutal,
and so you see a lot of depression and suicide amongst entrepreneurs, so mental health is certainly something that is very important to me. I think this is one of the things that I love about. The show is when you go deeper. to the underlying philosophy behind meditation you come up with. mental models that I think are overly useful in shifting how you see the world and the things that you value fingers on one of the pod costs that you did when you talked about the lack of self has self is an illusion. And yeah that something that I'll often come back to when I am in in my practice and anxious about things that have happened or things that have happened, that should be happening you're trying to get outside of this deep sense of self, and all of the ideas and all the expectations,
have around south that determine my own sense of self worth so I think you know in addition to the practice, I really enjoyed the philosophy because it allows me to then link the two and say: ok, you know What are the beliefs and values that I have come to associate so closely with that are actually true and I'll bring back to mine in practice, one when I am anxious or stressed out or unhappy and trying to overcome it with the practice pass D, the underlying philosophy. But it's really important point because and again I've just been from my own experience I feel like theirs is enormous and a powerful two relation a powerful relationship between doing the price this and then actually checking out what I call the intellectual infrastructure of the thing of Buddhism of Eastern spirituality
of spirituality generally, and there's a way which doing to practise the sitting, watching your breath, get distracted, starting again or sitting and try to pay attention to what your forehead feel like. What is your nose feel like as you do, a body scan and then you get distracted and start again. This way that that pride in which they operate. can feel kind of dumb after well. You know you can lose sight of. Why am I doing this? What is the point? but touching you know listening to somebody, that's the point of having a pike. S like this. Listening to other people who are interesting, listen to teachers, talk about the philosophy behind it is can really the two can really feed on each other in a powerful way certainly end Ino, too
then add one is in any talked about this little bit curing the thoughts and other people have, I think, very often we feel so alone and in our madness, and we don't talk about it very often and social setting so hearing what other people. feeling and believing about themselves, regardless of where they are in life. Right we're gonna smashed successfully are aren't everyone has the same fears and insecurity, and the other piece of this is becoming aware of your own mortality more often ray. I grew up with a deep awareness of das because of early experience. and I think reminding yourself of the fragility of life and doing whether it through meditation or just through conscious awareness of it. I think that's that can be very proud
it's an uncomfortable topic, particularly here. Where people don't like to talk about death, they are Steve jobs. A sad death is the single best dimension We're all gonna die so are already naked. I think that that frame of mind and just helps you have better. It's such a powerful plays a huge part of Buddhism, which is for me now. I guess I call myself a Buddhist a mean. and it's not it's about, turning into what we tried, as we spend most of our time denying, which is that we are here for a short period, we don't know when it's gonna end and systematically kind of rubbing your face in reality. Can give you a massive dose of perspective that is really useful for everyday life has recently just going through some non interesting thing, and spend a lot of time wrapped up in it and
little that everywhere were weak on Fridays. I go spend a couple hours at this hospice in part of this and Buddhist program that I'm part of my wife and I do together. Hospice. While I was worrying about some professional stuff is a great way to realize. Oh yeah, maybe it's not as important as I'm telling myself. It is so good on you. I think you're exactly right, you're right about that. I don't know a lot of
How was your thinking about death? He I adds interesting. I come from a very different culture and now live in the? U S and am often surrounded by a lot of privilege and damn it's interesting, how different societies value different things and undervalue others and how they think about the meaning of a good life, but coming from different cultural perspectives, eight something that has always driven me to think more deeply about what is a guy. What makes off this matter, and if I of the privilege of of living in I'm I'm twenty eight, and I know that you and I were jerking about how young that is to me that I feel, like I've lived a longer than a lot of people. I know that had so much more potential and so much more to offer. So if you have the privilege of life, would you do it
What do you think is a lucky you predicted earlier? You said before you would and your job. If Malaysia gets a Nobel Peace Prize in twenty years. It's, u accurately predicted that she was gonna get it. You were just off on the timing, what what free you in twenty years would constitute having lived a meaningful life yeah? I always wanted to change the world and in some way- and I think, when I was younger, that came from a sense of I only have worth if I've made a dent. in the world. That's the only way that I can have value. I think what it fifty two is I'm so fortunate. You know how many girls grow up in a modest family in Islamabad and get to do the things that I have done and be surrounded by the types of people that I'm surrounded by an have this access and how this perspective.
So I think it's more sense of responsibility is to have all of us and to not do, something that makes the world a little bit better. I feel like I have a responsibility to do something that makes the lives of some people better or helps us in some way move forward, and then I think it's about Nino about connection with it. people. You know I come from a society that is quite it's very close knit, and that comes with Europe. My there there's a social structure. Everyone has role that comes with a lack of personal freedom, but loneliness is alot lower. Then it is here and in the United States, and I think that there is a very significant loneliness epidemic happening in societies that are.
This more on individualism, but I think it is about you. I think a meaningful life is about making a difference in having deep connection, and I think it's about having a value system. That is important too, that you live vine and it's not one value system on the kind of true north. What, if you want to learn more about? You were working. I do that. They follow me on twitter, slats, shes eyes. His eyes were have a website. Wishes shares our shy dot com. That's my first name in my last named: come, that's really. Just to echo or amplifies any said earlier about wanting to make a difference, and that will have that.
Mean a measure of a meaningful life. Very obviously, you ve already done that, and yours do more so I'll be ruined for you. Thank you and thank you for the work that you do to inspire and teach people about meditation. It's definitely helps me a lot. I not helped a lot of other people and, as you know, I'm going back to the story with Malaysia mentored her when she was twelve. I haven't Oh idea, that seven years later six year later, I would be with her at the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony and so all of them, to say. You know the impact that you have in the ways in which you change people, and then they pay it forward. You probably have no idea what they're doing with it. So thank you. I want to thank you for saying that do a wonderful wouldn't get her meditating someday the why she's very am she's very religious. I think she already have a lot of that practice belt and- and I think that
the very significant source of her own strength. She is undeniably strong. Thank you again for doing a great job. ok, so that does it for another edition of the ten percent happier podcast. Please take a minute to leave us a rating and a review, and if you want to suggest topics or guest for this Oh just hit me up on twitter at Danby. Harris special thanks a lot an effort, Josh, CO, Hannan,. Since he ABC who helped make this thing possible and remember, were now on tuna, and you can hear our new episodes there five days early on Fridays, the end of this year. Thank you for listening, attacked you next week there's, not a person in America who hasn't been impact it in some way by the corona virus pandemic, but it every community there are pockets of people
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