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#320: The Buddha’s 8-Part Manual for a Good Life | Brother Pháp Dung

2021-02-01

Today we’re talking about one of the Buddha’s first and most important lists: the Eightfold Path. I’m kinda surprised we’ve never done a deep dive into this list on the show before, but better late than never. Some context before we dive in: The Buddha, as many of you know, was a congenital list maker. His first and foundational list was the Four Noble Truths. This is the list that begins with “life is suffering” -- which is something of a mistranslation; it basically means that life will be unsatisfying if you are constantly clinging to things that will not last, given the nonnegotiable fact of relentless impermanence. The second noble truth is that the cause of our suffering is thirst or clinging. The third is that there is a way out of this mess. And the fourth is a sort of manual for waking up and suffering less. That fourth noble truth is the Eightfold path. It’s a list within a list. And to help us unpack it all is a fascinating person named Brother Pháp Dung. He was born in Vietnam, came to the US with his family as a child refugee, and was raised in LA. He later trained in architecture at USC before becoming a monk under his teacher, a towering figure in modern Buddhism named Thich Nhat Hanh. Phap Dung has a fascinating critique of our capitalist, consumerist culture. He’s not saying that we should opt out, just that we can use the Eightfold Path to create a different relationship to it all. So we dive into all of that in this chat -- but we begin with his personal story, which involves family strife and a lot of skepticism.

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From ABC this is the ten percent happier Pat gas then Harris Hello, hello: today we are talking about one of the buddhas first and most important lists the eightfold path. A little surprise. We ve never done a dive on this list on the show before, but better late than never some contact before we dive in here. The Buddha, as many of you know, is a congenital list maker. His first and foundational list was called the four noble truths. This is the list that begins with life is suffering with is a little bit of a mistranslation. It basically means that life is gonna, be unsatisfying. If your constantly clinging to that will not last given me
negotiable fact of relentless impermanence in the universe in which we find ourselves. The second noble truth is that the cause of our suffering is the aforementioned clinging. thirst. The third is that there is a way out of this mess and the fourth is a sort of manual for waking up and suffering less that fourth, noble truth is the eightfold path, so it's kind of a list within a list. The eightfold path and to help us unpack at all is a fascinating person named brother Father Young he was born in Vietnam, came to the United States with his family as a child refugee and was raised in LOS Angeles. are trained in architecture at USC before becoming a monk under his teacher who is it?
cowering figure in modern Buddhism named Tick, not Han Bob Young has an interesting, as you will hear critique of our capitalist consumerist culture. He's not saying that we should opt out just that we can use the eightfold path to create. a different relationship to the job or not so where to dive into all of that in this chap. But we begin here with his personal story, which involves some family strife and a lot of scepticism. Here we go with brother fuck, young. Brother five young? Thank you very much for coming on. Thank you, I'm happy to be here. Thank you tat. I was just kind of genially. I hope genially complaining to you before we start a rolling that you were saying too many interesting things before we started the interviews darning interview now, because I want to make sure I don't either. Neither one of us forgets all the interesting things you're saying you are starting to tell me a story seconds ago,
how you were skeptical. Our voters and when you first went on your first retreat. Can you say more about that, yeah. You know my family. We grew up Buddhists, but the eyes like Sunday Temple Buddhists, but I never related the idea that a lot of stuff day in the standards are praying, and you know we saw worshipping and devotional, but when I had some trouble, with my family, my father and my mom took me to a retreat. The first time with that and I remember seeing these monks and nuns and people behaving nicely and special the young monks and nuns, they seemed a happy and smiling, and so on that there was a those suspicious and you know the sex. time around two years later, another retreat came in a lot of monks and nuns there. I actually he wanted to follow them. So I called in my boss. I was working as an Arctic, nay, I need a couple more weeks, so I followed them on the tour.
because I wanted to see what these monks and nuns alike ass the very tricky. As I already always smiling in mind for very good. I grew up in LOS Angeles. How's educated in the West are fair, use effigy coming over. So my education Canada is very suspicious of anything, but I think you probably know raised an educated in her dinner. Wasted patients system. He always a sceptical and suspicious and critical Zanu ours that Canada, young men in that I can relate to people who were very suspicious and sceptical of any type of things are Palmer sore, looked like it's a happy and peace for all the time. So anyway, I just want you don T relate with you on that. But in fact, and I began to discover other things been,
I see no looking out at other people. I began to see the practice as looking out myself, and I said to see some effect on me like that Some I realize, might thinking and seeing my thinking. I remember that I came back from the retreat and I didn't, I just went into our out to room in our family and I started to sitting and meditating, and I remember the first time ever see my thought. And how they arise and how it disappeared. So at that time. I have some difficulty with my father and I was saving their one morning and I heard his voice in the other room and I remember seeing my anger, my thought, toys. My father come up. I began to this really be with it few that sensation through my body,
this can allay tightness but like staying with it following my breathing and being in that state, not moving and allowing and seeing the rising of thought, and feelings, anger that produce and then slowly how that actually starts to dissipate a little bit just because you recognize it and that's not about skeptical belief, is just an experience and you realize I why I didn't do anything. I didn't say anything. I didn't slammed the door and I was so thankful that was the beginning for me to really become interested. of how my my works and how it determines quality of the way I am, and I started affecting how I am at work and so on. And seeing my mine unseen feeling I started seeing and others as well
slowly, slowly, that a move from being sceptical of others and looking for system sue believe and I began to see. It is more like looking inwards and discover, how my mind works now my doorway into meditation. I just wanted to share their because they related to you. Your a doorway which is going through suffering and found that suffering it opens up a new way of looking at things. Yeah relate to everything you just said. show you sign it. I think many of the people listen to the show are like us in that become a little sceptical. What's this weird invitation thing. Do I now have to be nowhere robes and be a Buddhist. What's this all about, but actually the way you describe it that we want You start looking at the way your mind works. You realize dogmatism
has no role? Really it's just about seeing the truth of your inner experience and learning how to relate in a different way. Do it improves your life and you can just get better and better it that skill right. You know, and the way I was raised and educated kind of, like going. college going through the degrees getting the job getting the house. a car wage gaze Success Bank account every time I planned that's a kind of police system and I actually became skeptical of that. I remember us like, while this system and this is what I'm caught in as a happiness inside began to reflect on what our society impose on us- and we believe it without being suspicious sceptical that that is really true happiness,
So in a way I still worse, get the guy. That's called invested. of mine in Buddhism that we, begin to actually investigate everything in ourselves and how we into act as well as our world. What we accept as normal cheap, constantly examining how, when you touch something what it feels like when you see something when you hear something, what does it involve, your feelings come from. It goes very well with science, the the practice and it sir. That's the part, Buddhism that I didn't know going up with my family with my family. or like Cultural Buddhism, avaricious accepted a lotta yummy poor girl up and they just do it because it's in there families in their culture missile. That's the point
I was liberated from. I realise that, actually this man in India, we call- Buddha now. He just basically discovered the way of being in the world and study to examine in question everything for me, I discovered that the buddhist practice, not the buddhist religion, that really inspired me to look further you talk about generating this scepticism, more Thus, the gate of Quality Visa V, the traditional messages from our stern culture about what a good life would look like house, marriage car for one k, etc, etc. I hear that and I think a number of things one is it I still, kind of believe that personally I mean not all of it and not uncritically, but I like having those things, and I suspect,
people as in the show like that, and I also think about the Buddha. You know he was out there saying everybody should share their heads and become a monkey was hanging out with kings and wealthy merchants. It said there was a robust role for lay people, or worldly, as he called them, people in the songs of the birds as community. So what's your taken everything I just said You know, when I say investigated doesn't mean that it is bad We should not assume you know, number like one Friday night. This sitting there and really feeling. I like, why am I not going out You ve been allayed your home on Friday night. You know you go. Stay from work to home is like you, don't have a social life, and I remember you know going. I can stay home so that
is my also my first time actually staying home on Friday and being okay with it have spend money and feeling every member of the next Saturday feeling like Well, it wasn't so bad you, I'm not a loser. Yeah oasis, these little moments of like questioning what you assume Somerset, having a house a car job insecurity in these things is bad to sit these conventions, and this is what we live in and we have to end accommodate with someone that, but that Chin be disk without question no and meditation help me actually so that the evening, I was restless and I felt energy and just because I've been doing meditation? I recognize
that energy? This pushed this restlessness to go out and stimulate myself and to feel like you're happy. So I begin to investigate that. So I began to We choose to stay home on the weekend, which is like, while inviting my friends over. I will make him enough food. are, we would die in over how potluck so we found in turn. It is rather than to spending money, so anyway that was the like one of life force in their studies. Machine jobs, site questioning the whole profession of architecture and why we go to work and so on and so on. Then, though, the journey from me. Not everyone should become monks and nuns, but I think they should have at least some this is to examine when things happen to them, or what society tells them
how you look and which should be doing and what people think that that's their happiness. But in fact maybe it's not I began to see that you know I don't need a new car and my friends kept pushing me to buy a new car, and, I said, look at you when you get a new car. Look at you. You know every time we go out, you're, worried about your car and where you park it when I You guys out nobody's gonna pick my Toyota and I can park anywhere certain away. You know is the priest to get a new brand new car. It's great I mean it. But I see the anxiety it causes him and in fact he got a kid there's someone scratch stay with the key, and I can see what it Does the him so this option is to buy new car the season change you gotta, get new clothes. That is why we need new clothes is fine. I was
to close and choose by the way, but I had to crush as I do. I need another pair of shoes, do I really need to know the parachute. for me, as a young man, I accepted all that. I love the early life in hours. You know, if you ask me twenty five years ago, that I be a monk living in the mountain nature in a quiet place everything you're crazy Then I will be doing what I'm doing now. So, if I'm here you correctly in terms of how you would take your own experience and channel toward meal guidance for other people. I am your correct me here, but it sounds to me like you're nuts, preaching some strict anti materialist aunt. capitalist, never buy a new pair of shoes, never get a car, but just to investigate. Why
Why are you doing in? What's the effect decide exactly, and this is meditation. This is what the path will lead us to a more correct way of looking at how we interact with the world, and this is actually the the premise sue. You know what we accept as a collective. What is happiness? in the last century. I would say the very individualistic bay materialistic and they focus on. Fame power violence. So we accept that we accept war. We accept progress as always producing like get back to normal. Everyone should get back to spending he's kind of a collective acceptance. So we call our society. Our culture is actually why we're where we act now, which, with the planet with
society, people lonely people just take care of themselves. You know if each person with on the path and slowly we can contribute to a kind of different way of looking at how to be in the world. I start over this alot holding two things simultaneously. One is this critique of capitalism I buy it. The idea of infinite growth. In a finite system is in here they problematic and leads to, a key aggressive stance in so many ways toward the planet. You know which were You know I've been on the front lines of you in my pouring life if you're spending time in places like the Amazon and seeing how that is being destroyed in the name of infinite growth and that the consequences of war doing at the climate is just the sort of incalculable almost to end it can lead to aggression.
terms of war as use described, the kind of we might go to war, scarce resources, it can lead to a kind of inner russian- around capitalism being a storm. Allocating in each one of us a sense of insufficiency so that we keep buying to serve medicate that sensitive insufficiency that critique really allow me. On the other hand, I like having a nice house like buying my kid toys- and you know I don't go out much these days, but I like having nice weapons pat around the house. So how do I acts ethically in this context yeah. This is where the danger steam, because we are dealing with a notion and ideal how'd being the world- must fight. I always try to start off by looking more personally
individually at the person and what makes them suffer. What makes them happy and their journey as an individual is very touchy. No I've given talks on it and how to be active, engage in the world, but also be taking care of yourself because you need to, Be engaged in the world in a particular way right and equality can be angry at peace movement. so anyway, I got a lot of comment on that people get really reactive, while very defensive as well. And that's why in not teaching, we always start with teaching people to be mindful, first be mine forward their breath. We have to start with that. First slowing people down because people ego into concepts and ideas too early It becomes opinions and values too, quick, you're value, my value, your take. My take your view, my view and
Usually a won't help anything. But I started with my own. Individual, my personal suffering with my father. you see, and how that actually framed everything I understand that you father suffered because his country, his life, was Destroy because I'm a war because of it concept that caused the war communism is gonna, take over Vietnam and he's gonna domino effect dinner. I think many of us know now, but because of that one view that fear a car has any cost, so many people lose their family, their life, the sun away, the war never end for my father, we lost everything. You is well off, we lost everything, and so I began to see him
suffering. He had a hard time, and you know the rose change. My mom became more the breadwinner. She got it say: jobs started speaking English faster well my father and my dad became more depress and good led to anger restoration, anyway. I remember all this stuff coming up As I sat and as I reflected on my father and my hate and my anger towards him such diminish because of understand I begin to have more insight anymore, inside you have your views about your father and yourself to change, and I started see when that relationships us change our high relate to people work change, so you be happy happier be news, like you know, bubbly happy, is you see you feel like cash
I have to be angry. All the time you are out to carry around you became lighter, yet more space and because of that. You begin to look at other people. Work has not always competitive in Greek selfish with their ideas and protective care more space. You study, helping them with their projects. x, which is unbelievable and architectural firm, you know what he's protective of their ideas they competitive you and so that a study affecting things I started to see it starts with my inner happiness. and the aid for path help me with that. How do you want me to share a little bit about that? That's been my manual that I turn to the eightfold path I do want you to share about that may be a helpful place to start would be to explain to folks what the eightfold path is and where it's certifit soon to the end of the buddhist teachings
yes, this is one of the first teaching that the Buddha gave and also its last teaching in the April path is part of the fourth noble too. Tunisia, foundational teaching, the four noble truth and the aid for power- and this is exactly his already call it in metal when someone sick, bring the men eager K. What is your sickness? Ok, this nature. Ok, this is how we can treat this, and you need to do this and do this. And take this and you'll be ok. This is the fourth noble. Truth find out why you me why you are sad, why you are so on and look at where it comes from an from that. You will realise that healing is possible once you know what the sickness is an you know, its cause
that already tell you. There is a clear, and that is a happiness the so the Buddha was not just talking about suffering. People mistaken Buddhism, Jose all about suffering now is actually is quite practical, and this is the path we ve at that my four, this is only one aspect of the practice of my finnish needs to go with concentration, diligence and then in sight. Alright view, along with speed each thinking and action and then move to write livelihood. How you are in the world, you see the April path, but the Buddha found ways Quite empowering is a? U determine a lot of you world and this if you practice this path, this will help you
see more clearly in the enemies they never say Buddhism and like the border becomes ism were enemies is the way of the Buddha thou how means the way fuck is that they don't have the word for Buddhism. We yah. practising the way of the Buddha now for the word Buddha in the enemy sounds a lot like a bad word in English. Yes, it's spout, p h a tea the scene of enemies yea it sight, met a nice word in English, but the word DOW is important I realise that I, like all my guy I'll come by this- that is actually is a path to travel alone, is not a belief that you devote an It is blindly believe in and then new practices
and you see result so XVI evidence base as well. My teacher he loves you. Were because his way related to science, do it and see what it does your mind? What he aside and see how it rises and how it goes away, see what happens when you stress, stop breed and see what it does see a body. You see this evidence investigation, amazing, so that aid for path is beautiful, because is a element. They all related the into act with each other So when you mind for your mind for the way you speak, you behaviour, so is not mine for just going home and doing something else so This is where our teacher founded, engage Buddhism, so engages every aspect of life, not
just in the minor stay in the retreat, but how he opened the door when you open the door your mind for they opening the door. And what is I have to do with anything we're relationship And I remember coming home after my second retreat in, I still had a habit of it. I'm coming in. kicking the door, You know it is in there lay you say: no, I wasted time on these little, you know and how I threw my shoes after issues habits have had, but I remember asked if you eat and you think that that would change. But when you came back home, tat habit is still there. I remember being mindful. Why do they and I'm worry bout bug me because I couldn't stop. It is this I have and how I close my car doors. Well, it's quite violent,
it dawned on me one time when I was how a conversation with the Collie Kip cry like interrupting him, you know we get into these topics and get excited in a cannily jump in without letting him finish. And I really did that to the way I treated the door. For me, there was a moment where I see that. Actually I behave like that with other people get with get out await slammed. Don't you shoot the waste my time and then so I made a practice way. Take off my shoes. I take a one off and I take both a woman. I put it down and we had that practice in the monastery and began to use that as the training. So there, internal training, the diligence, the effort, the
this of doing that and being my for concentrated it affected my speech, you see em, my thinking. So this away the Buddha kind of invasion. How I interpret his path That is way that you can train personally and how that affects year. interaction with the world. Through your speech action, you behaviour and your choice, you livelihood what you do as your work. Can we go through the eight backs of the path, I just to say: either wood is translated as right, mindfulness, right speech, etc, etc. The other translations include, you know, correct or wise. Some of the ways the surf early Buddhist teaching has been translated.
can be. I don't know either still did or a little off putting, but just don't get hung up on that. This is really, as you have said, I love that phraseology of it being a manual. So can we start and just gonna go through each of them, so that people get a sense of what the fullness of each term and then how these concepts interlock. Yes, the word right in peer and correct the stacey and react to when I first came to her but ages index That is a way of doing something. You know this, give you could example, you know concentration be, could be right or wrong in a concentrated you'd focus in The effect you wanting has wholesome and good intention and so on, or you can be felt. is in constant eighty when you're trying to steal something, for instance so there is a basic ethical
underlying intentional. What the Buddha is trying to help them Well, in relieving less suffering and not causing more, so there is a way of doing something where you cause more suffering and is aware doing something where you cause less suffering. Fine, more relief where the word right comes from its answer. My cheek he sang, This is right in this is wrong. I know, because I am the king of the world, it's more like try. This out in the letter, Tori of your own mind and see, what's right and what's wrong what wise and what's on one what's helpful, what's unhelpful eggs exactly this is one of the things that I have learnt is do not become dogmatic. Is it becomes poison as well, so We find the right thing and you share with someone and they are not ready to receive it and then is the wrong thing because Actually, when you learn something- and you think is correct
you give it to someone and they're, not ready for it that you're giving them poison that's kind of like when I first started meditating, and I lectured my wife about it all the time. Poison for both of us exactly so that is incorrect even though it is correct practice yet that's exactly you know, you got it so you, We have to be very careful we love to be right? Much more. My conversation with brother, five young right after this brought to you by the Capital one Quicksilver card with Quicksilver. You earn unlimited one point: five percent cash back on every birches everywhere. That Limited one point: five percent cash back on everything you buy and Unlimited really means unlimited with Quicksilver. There's no limit to how much cash back. You can earn capital one. What's in your wallet, credit approval required capital, one bank, USA, an aim
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our again we're back now with the second half of our conversation with brother, five young he's about to drive a lot of wisdom is gonna walk us through the entire. thirty of the eightfold path. Quick note before we die back in here. young, was recording from a monastery. So you may, on a couple of occasions here, a few monks chatting in the distant background to let that bother. You too much here now once again for young, starting with the first element of the eightfold path, right, mindfulness, Tat go back to the elemental right. Mindfulness is part of the path mindfulness. He is The state of awareness you doing something. You're mine and your body is there you're mine is fully present in there here and now in the technique. They used to In the end, easier mindfulness is the breathing and the awareness of the body
this is where meditation comes in, see yourself as a battery and mindfulness energy is how much loaded your batteries, and so the pact this being aware, the breath staying with it constantly you develop, a kind of concentration is were right, concentration comes in your mind, can home in and can fold when it wants to. So these are the two energies that are fundamental to our training you can maintain and hold on to an idea. to your anger two year, whatever it is, something will come up, when you aware that there's angering me- and you can hold it without going to eat are changing. The subject are getting out of the room going for DR sit still
any view energy of mine financing concentration as well developed you can see that anger and where the car comes from and you'll have insight, yeah right insight. View about it, so you no longer see that issues them or that person causing it there's many other conditions and by insight usually opens up it doesnt, tighten it really This is not so a lotta ideas. We have a lot of things. We scary, we call in tone or nuts You have ideas about your wife yourself, you son your colleagues and they become little. Not and we hang onto him. We know pathways. I will call you keep going to that fact and not gets tighter
An insight has the ability to like release it. So we have those three elements. We cover three paintings and these are the first three aspects of the a footpath right, mindfulness, right, concentration and right view or right inside yeah, and then we have right diligence, which is really need right? Diligence, it's not like showing up on Every day, right diligence in the way the Buddha described it they beautiful is a mental kind of diligence when you recognised as something is arising? That is not so wholesome, not so skilful. In Buddhism. We don't say something is bad. Something is evil. We just say so skilful Yemen mastered it yet so when, thing comes up. It's not so skilful is not so healthy is not so wholesome. Then you recognize it and you
access to bring it down so whenever rises, you know what to do with it. You have to be careful and slowly that see you don't how water it so meditation We see our mine is like the earth. You have said: of anger. You have seized sadness, you have seated understanding seeds of love and all these. sees when they rise up. We have to recognise how they helpful so when one knows more positive or more wholesome helpful cause suffering you recognising new hold onto you tend to it, so you have for their Ellen and on the other side of the circle from right view? How we view the world. How you view yourself makes how yeah, I think so right view leads my thinking a wrong view about the world about yourself, please so wrong! Thinking about yourself,
and about the world when I say the word here is it- can include the other person you Father, your mother, anybody who is living in a family were now. You know why you turn to your brother. You time your sister, your wife father your mother and you can look and see how you view them, we met First, that in I hid did not really like they could be totally different person next day, We don't allow that, but If you release, you have reviews like I did about my father and it changes, then the way you think about him is a different right thinking and then from right. Thinking comes out of your mouth right speech. Whatever you think eventually come out in a certain language or a sudden noise. Even so communication I speak, is not just a verbal,
I slammed the door. You get it, don't you you heard that didn't you yeah, so how you speak loving speech, how to stop you, so maybe a concentration unmindfulness energy is strong. You very careful to use speech and this is all boy I really had to practise it. This I'll tell you a story how my architect and I came in the monastery. Oh, my god is a mess. I wanted to correct and fix everything and I loved, going to meeting when is about planning and fixing Grab a roomy, Maya, The weather and he said, did I notice you really lose yourself when it comes to issue. About planning. you know in the media, by catch. You- and I put my thumb in my mouth like a hook, then you have to stop talking. You can't talk from them.
Because you know you think the year as train architect, I know more than you guys, so I always how the right answer and I always have to contribute So my view of who I am, and how I am educating architecture affected. How I speak in the meeting sandy my brother one time caught me put his finger like a fish in his I remember it was that the early part of the meaning for the rest of the meeting I had to sit there and share. Anything all, my guys, you all growing up in the well, when you hear ideas- and you want to continue- it was tat- you know so anyway. That's right speech right. Speeches. I always about speaking the right thing or what is right. Re speech is knowing yourself and compensating because you victorious not because you speak
you're victorious, because you are not a slave to The way you have been cultured, that was so liberating for me. That's the kind of speech your happiness, I'm talking about when I speak of happiness. These are the happiness of the training, and you move from my speech to write action, its even more complicated and more subtle. So there's a lot of very bias things under a speech, and I asked, that's. Why we slow down, we learn to stop a member learning to be quiet not to make noise with things around me and when we eat and was a training as a young one back to make noise? You begin to see anything from action when I see a brother stand up and how he stands up tells me a lot
Because I have trained in that and see- become more aware when you into the room, your body, you energy, how you sit down anyway is the right action, and then he moves into right livelihood, and I think you discovering this You know, I I wanted to talk to you because it while you you're on the path is now you you'll find a livelihood that is in line with your heart. I feel I sense from this doing what people tell you should be doing out of fame whatever. Now you have intention now and that's right live you He do something and for me in particular, The aim is to serve to help. It is amazing that is right, livelihood for me. That's the thing we need to teach young people,
though we need to have a different view about our purpose. In the world. We educate people, as does become workers, society collectively, we just preparing people for salary and we forget to actually teach people to find that calling for themselves- and this is, you know, related to your endeavor- to increase happiness. Even if it's five percent or ten percent sorry to be less inactive. Those quite the it's hard to share a poor path. Briefly, apologize great him no, no, no! No! No need for apology so that you did a great job eighties. Hearted, that's a lot and you did it. There were very. Helpful way and especially appreciate how you add in how you of a bite it in your own life. Let me just close, by bringing it full circle, as we talked about at the beginning of this conversation about.
How one can orient oneself toward the world in particular Wurlitzer dominated by capitalism. Materialism which can have Nice aspects, creature comforts aspects, but it could also have some pernicious impacts in terms of the climate in terms of the epidemic of loneliness, So an you said that you sometimes, if you introduce this kind of against. stream message to early people can get triggered in there you get into their opinions and their hot takes, etc, etc. But if I understand correctly- and I hope you will correct me if I'm incorrect here- that this Fold path is designed in part at least to help us walk the middle path between being utterly abstemious and totally reclusive in rejecting everything about society or be
incompletely, caught up, on the other hand, and fully stuck in a mature. the list mindset in thinking that the only route to happiness that this eightfold path is it way to help us interact with the world with maximum all wisdom and skill. Assign is the path wakening path is becoming more aware of yourself and how the world works as this, basically it your happiness is linked to your view of self your view of others- and you see, that is also the cause of suffering. Is he so happiness and suffering is very related? So the past helps an individual, and if we come together collectively we can
contribute more light. More awareness, more correct or open view about the world knows. Why am? I am happy to sit with you and contribute whatever that? I have found helpful and I hope has been helpful. It has been a pleasure as well so big. Thank you really appreciate it. Thank you for being out there. Then we need people like you, you were in the monastery. We always praying for people out. There were don't look like us were in the trenches but awaken in the center having good intentions. Thank you down for having this conversation with much appreciated. Thank you back there
The brother Fabienne was a pleasure to talk to him one of egg as well everybody who works to make this show a reality to point five ex per week. Samuel Johnson is our team leader. Senor producer. Dj Kashmir is our associate producer. Our sound designer is met, Boyton from Ultraviolet Audio Maria were tell is our production coordinator. Also like everybody, from the Tb Aids side who way and with such useful advice on the regular gent point, need Toby list Levin and Ben Reuben, O Re Housman, who is constantly pitching in with helpful advice. And, finally, I would be remiss if I didn't and, with a hearty salute to my ABC News, comrades rank. sir, just tell him: we'll see on Wednesday for a fresh episode
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