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doing call you a yell the Hunter Alley yeah in it is not that I think I know that you're one c s Louis, are very corralling. You know any exactly, not letting people now. Is that, like a real concern for an apologetic, so weary recording ozone make sure some of you just keep going. Gordon when I read this Vanden, her nothing islands and she's very a person that wrote a very big book look I'm not saying anything. So just how can you know how good it is right that the end of the year, so this book is two inches good and and we were just asking why she's named herself a l abandoned Herrick on her book and promotional material, so now you're caught up when she does her own marketing. So we thought maybe The marketing people were like here, a woman and a call you area it was my own decision actual while so I'm coming out right now this. I guess we assumed the woman apologists thrown out Maisie

should I get L is just to eliminate any biases I you know, I don't think the mill Christians are biased against women necessarily, but they might be so Actually a friend of mine, a good friend of mine. Good things. I don't even remember, which good friend of mine is worth, as which I'm glad because she said that her husband, would not agree to read a book. Even if it was a really good book and recommended- he knew it was written by a woman. So I'm really glad at our memory that friend. Why? Because I M a little hurt, but I also consider that you know cause there's a lot of christian men that are like you know. I used women, Martin, all that I don't know necessarily if I should be taught by a woman, so they making it a l. It just eliminates that if it is an issue so- and I don't have any anger against him at all- but Breyer air. How are you an idea of this? Really Germany's

it guy that reads your book and at the end allowed is pretty cool. Then they find out that air woman living illegally into this energy, like, unlike early It was a good boy. I guess I was wrong anyway. Yes, sir, apologies. Female acceptance. See pierce he's the one I can think of yeah. There are quite a few years ago we I don't know of any other, is I mean most of it? that I've read have been by men. Women know what they're talking about. No, I I I don't know of many women apologists now that there are, there are many many out there.

Those who, like a politics, is good kind of fits. That, though, a manner singular focus and women are diffuse. Awareness is Alison Armstrongs, so those leaves a weird they get stuck on. They can make a focus on one thing and obsessive obsess think it takes that yeah as unique role, women to even think that awake is aggressor. Talking apology, explaining my wife's search snoring. Will you knew what I really dont like apologetic? I've been I've been enrolled in apologetic classes before and I just haven't enjoyed it. I'm I dont know if it because of the way they teach it, it's kind of a little dry and and it's not in the order that I would present the material. So that's one of the reasons I wrote this book is because I think it's more interesting than the average apologetic course, and I am not that projects, people who they're not worrying necessarily, but I just have my own style, and maybe it is because I'm a woman, but I

I really wanted to do it the way that I would have been interested in reading it. When I as an atheist, I used to be an atheist denied just the apologetic books. I friends. I commend to be had always brush off in it, of course, I needed to have my eyes opened. Essentially, any didn't have the will to read them before I could do it, as you guys are always pointing out in your articles, will only want to believe what we want to believe that this is an attempt to write the book that I would have wanted to read. I could have had the will to do it. Yeah yeah, my assumption of in the ale, was that Any time you see a book, that's by a woman in the Christian Bookstore, it's like how to be God special Princess yeah in our language, girl put on your who is at a crystal frilly fancy figure a lottery knows, so my girl do. This is at a girl washing my earlier petticoat issue, which I am a christian books here, how those workers, and not just gettin, but are

I don't know it's kind of supposed to be a loop on us, but yeah women authors in christian bookstores, writing for books for women, what you're gonna get us. One life is messy, and maybe that's Rama, that's my assumption. Like an arrow, it's not for me, I know I was thinking that might be. The people might have but I'm trying to hide may may being a woman, but it was so you know I went to my favorite apologia Cs Louis, went by sir. I don't. If you went by sea, ask us whose Clive Staples did his friends call M C s horse or colony jack? That's right! That's right! I knew that so I figured if no one on the morning of territorial, I'm anywhere like C S, little ass. I wish by chance you just compared yourself the ceaseless defend them. I know that is that is in our lives and my emulating Cs Louis. I am a little bit more. I came in sight

rational than see issue as well will still Let me just say it this way when you read a book like mere Christianity, it's kind of Can I say where he kind of goes often, explains morality and how Christianity make sense of the word. Since an absolute morality and so forth. In its it, it's It is tight in by step logic. As my book is so it doesn't mean that he's not rational. I'm not. I don't want to say that, because ceaseless is in an extremely rational, always looking for a reason for every single believe can artistic He did it with its realistic yeah. His is, writing is so eloquent and beautiful I absolutely love it, and so book is more, I like to think of my book as a collage. If you can think of a collage writers where I take all of you, different brilliant people and weave it together, so that

Basically, a one stop shop for just beautiful artist, artist, artistic writing, but we will then together, not just disjointed soap but into a logical framework. So I'm not Phd, but that doesn't mean that I can quote Pierre. Do so pretty much. Every quote in my book is from a phd, whether their atheist or or believers, but am I put it in an order. I think the average person will be able to understand. The neighbour your book, and only we did. This is the shortest leap the rational underpinnings of faith in Jesus? what somewhat impress us about this was like this is like, this might be longer than a book of ever read, so, maybe not seven hundred seven hundred nearly a hundred thousand we're definite and it really did strike is, is very comprehensive. I'm, u through the you go through the historical tunnel footnote,

you go through the historical claims you go through. The rational and philosophical objections and arguments for the faith as prophecy stuff in here to do everything in one book. So this is basically the culmination of twenty years of work, and not that I was working on it for twenty years and unstable, There are a lot of periods, wear garters like no. I don't want you yeah. I was just a but I was always researching and I just remember when I first became a Christian, I am certain reading books that united believe it just because it sounded grade. We believe it just because I wanted to be true, so I started reading books on the evidence and I realized tat. It was amazing. How much there was the scientific evidence and then the historical evidence and then the philosophical evidence and then the biblical prophecy in it. But I had to reap like twenty different books to get all of that, and I to myself

Why doesn't have some someone Heather the one book that it has everything in it? belong book, but at least it's all in your hands and you can get around to the parts that are more important So anyway, eventually. I realized I may be thought is calling me to write that book might be the wine and over the years, I've fight with God and said. No, it's not me, and there must be somebody else, and I kept looking at the bookshelves to see if any new books are out there this category and no never did it's on here. It is, I don't think, there's another book like this out there, so our seas, it everything's in here we should grill her and make sure every I couldn't me. I wouldn't have every single thing: no, not out of the essential issue lines. Spaghetti monster argument is that in her eye, was able to get that in the end, be our own. Isn't my mombi article about yeah yeah, it's either in the article or the book, but everything is in there.

Revenues eating their own poop wee wee, snubbed Gregg Cocoa on this one rabbits have to eat their own poop in order did allowing God designer I got designer rabbit, Edison poop. I grant will there so many, because they can I, just as in the sea, the twice so they're lying on a guide require cows. To have more than one stomach, I mean, can you can't they just have one stomach, God must not really be Bernard Anna is arguing there so many ways you could do that nature: Tarantula wasp the tarantula lay their eggs in a range of that not even dignity ETA. They knock. Ok, the giant was knocked out the tranquil they get a fight to tabling an hour and a half ago, it's like if you humans, fighting a bear. Imagine your life is like I have a baby. I got actual forest and find a mare links are fighting a bare for an hour and a half. She found

the poisons the mare with her stinger and that just knocked out. It's not dead. The bare wakes up and do Perry delicate he's going to hang over he's. I gotta know what happiness I fathers human woman for like an hour and a half and then he starts tumbling around and also two little babies inside and eating his insides out and then all sudden the bear just dies and the baby like burst out of his chest is like into the world, finds his mother at earth ever meet again, and actually does the mother find the baby? I don't know but a lot of I am that this financial aspects, his eyes, I can now take a hike they have. That's here I saw was dragging a train, across the trail like as his knocked out, just like Dragonette, it's a bad day. Explain that I was going to say that is coming up eventually on one or two people watch them fighting and it is in its struggle for these wasps get the egg into the system

they're not a lot bigger. There then often their smaller and after that still you can't kill it, they get a sting it anyway, since he is very absolutely love. All of those very weird things about nature and meet our you study at the more you're just like us is a kind of ten eleven like I love it, and it shows that I think God has a sense of humor there is a lot of things that you can point to invade must have a sense of humour and obviously sense of humor from got himself. It's that be created everything so that stuff like that, it Michael doesn't. And his crew got. In my opinion, I think you know I'm a good is in truth is more more than just happy cuddly stuff, exactly yeah the hour that everything has to be perfectly efficient. My guardian justice, like mathematicians everything's gonna, be as a national level and then apply to God, it in the world digs, given the limits

of are the laws of physics you're going to have a trade off and everything you in everything you cry, I mean you're gonna be able to have a huge trot that has a low there, either miles per gallon. You have to constantly be, whereas we can make us a car with a high mountain lots more miles per hour, but you always had that that you can have everything be perfect. If there's there's always can be traded so anyway, even when gods creating within the laws of physics he created its, can it be as efficient as you would think. Just like that, it's it's ridiculous. To see that God has to work with the laws of physics and make things back to Paris, Why? Wouldn't God could use the evolution to to create all of the animals? some minutes his his. His medium. If he will have just as a painter use paint he be using genetic code to total, with the order of the day nucleotides to get animals

be the exactly what he wants so anyway, I just a lot of their arguments against against it it's gotta just crumble. If you realize that God doesn't necessarily have to do it, the way you would think you do it perfectly yeah. I picture him sitting up there gone. You know would be awesome to took an insular maisie. Trying to what they need is a was a why? Why are there dinosaurs, for example, mean, but we love dinosaurs people, love dinosaurs. My son was obsessed with dinosaurs in it would, if that God gave us the studies and to have them big, be sure to go extinct before we came later when there are so many beautiful things about nature that dont disproved God they actually make just he's a loving god. He wants to give us these amazing things to discover known his in the world he created. So you into Stanford, and you see Berkeley I now it was hurry, and I, like a socialist,

so when we are you, I know just proves that- can save anyone link so it I was at Stanford in Berkeley. I was pretty much as left leaning is you can be. Yeah. I don't know the bumper sticker, an alias who proudly disappointed coexist bumper sticker on her car. Coexist, I had the best things in life or free, which I still think is Yeah, but you and I was so- I had an old like sob now and it s really cool, looking ones bumper stickers and I thought Christians are pretty much lame. I guess it's the best word. Just remember. The first was that Bulgaria, for most of my life. I've definitely remember one moment when I was a fresh. When at Stanford, and I just joined sorority in

discovered that one of the sorority sisters with a christian- and I just would like she can't be a Christian she's, she's real cool and she's, really smart Lake with what is her problem. The just remember that time in it, it just brings him back to them at the time when I really did think Christians were justly, you know, they just believed it because, as a fairytale made, their life easier, I raised azalea in an especially at Berkeley. I wish I was definitely would walk by Allah, the born and christian clubs interests we have never drive around with a whip exit like breaking their vegetative dvds and have things actually my eyes and he'll die for that so it was not until I was around thirty when done entered my life. So well, that's

So how was it the arguments that Kaminski or reason now that's the funny thing? The arguments started. Reading about the arguments for Christianity after I became a question so in my case, the gods you can use them to open people's eyes. Some just saying in my case it was. It was the Bible a funny story in I'll tell it the brief version. I was on vacation in Rome I had just finished giving an art history to our silent science. I love art and I used to be a teacher, so I am in the summers. Are you I organised this tour of ITALY to the art and I was my hotel room in Rome and had just finished a book that can work for a while, and I realized I Didn'T- have anything else to read and I must a reader. I love having something to read all the time. So I guess what was in the side table of my hotel room

the Lebanese, whether the Gideon Bibles in the cool thing about this Bible. I dont think I would have read it. Otherwise is wrong. It was in English, Italian, french and german, and I d already studied all those languages are attacked. My Italian was pretty good, so I spent a year in ITALY when I was in college. My junior Sanford, so I thought wow what a great way to refresh my italian. So I started reading an Italian and I started flipping over to the English to to figure out with it. And then I started reading only in English and then by that time my friend and I had gotten to the south of France, and I was actually on the south of France laying topless on the beach reading the Bible monogamy them.

I wanted to fit in on the south of France Organs inhabitants, but the Bible really made Mr Gallagher really after reading it. That's when also errors that being naked doesn't make you stand out in France is isolating, the barn was well. Maybe I'm having us definitely aside, so it was kind of a funny story that I am God too something that I love that languages to me you be willing to read the Bible and then I'm not even reading an Italian so so you're reading in magnitude, I want you to start off. He was just a new test, yeah yeah yeah. I think I love reading the Bible, of course. Now, previous to that my dad had been a Christian, since I was too She always wanted me to read the Bible and even went. Christian School, but it was all like IRA Arrow. I would why do we care about it the people wandering around a desert miss including didn't make any

and to me, so I'd always started to read the Bible in Genesis which sexual pretty interesting, but then you get to exodus and Leviticus annealing cider, only one seat divine but you know, if anybody has read the Bible before I recommend starting in the new testament, you don't start at the very very beginning. I am especially gospels. It's amazing I'm tearing hearing words of Jesus is sufficient. I think forgot to really working now that we're gonna what I was wondering zones as I just pick up the by one. That's all I can say from my mother certain parts of the Bible that if you read even You know you might be wondering for using it may be grown, so yeah yeah, that's than I think the brilliance of course got his brilliant. That is perfectly wise and he created a book that allows someone who doesn't want to believe tat to not believe You know I mean the excitement you to truly want

understand the Bible to get to those layers of meaning where you see that the like, for example, sacrifice of Isaac, how horrible, if that link God, asking a man to kill his own son. That's just That would be enough for me to say, forget Christianity. I don't want to have anything to do with that, but once you once you want to understand what God is telling you, it is the most beautiful story. I mean I was just absolutely beautiful that he would be willing to give up his own signed because God ass him and then that just points to guide giving up his answer. Unlike what what he didn't ask Isaac to do, he did himself so just those kinds of stories you don't even GAD until you the will to really understand it, and that's it. That's brilliant. Some advances gives us that freedom of well of freedom of choice, so you read the Bible. You fly back home. You go to your car peel off the

Failing this bumpers, obviously the tight fit on fire and right away. I was still a little bit like what happened and I remember I walked into my dad's. It hurts and tat had been praying for me for twenty eight years. Twenty eight years he was like Lord just take, offered hate or just remove the hate. She has her for anything. Do with religion, and I walk into his church, and I just you know, I think he was pretty let em I dug whatever he's a very intense christian aid sitting. He was way off the deepen, but he's very, very intelligent man who knows the Bible and set it out, and so I probably where, because he was preaching that day and all of you People are coming up to me and say congratulations and I was like why what are you talking about? I had no idea of the extent of what I had died. I remember my dad in Inner in France and told them I accepted Jesus is my Saviour and I just figured that was

Not that big a deal that accepting view thing you do there quietly about myself. It was. It was just like my dad always said that my whole life he'd. I wouldn't let him talk to me about it, but you just say: ok, but just remember just axed ass Jesus in your heart, whatever though I e them ass, a dad. I think I just asked Jesus into my heart. So, of course, on the other end of the weather wire, across the ocean. He was spreading Jumping solutions here, Hunt excited and for me I was I I have noted That means both yeah the next year, a pretty much figured it out where from zero to like a hundred in two seconds it with my christianity, joint trade away, went to thy will say you and then yeah. The rest is hysteria started right in the book within the first year, whilst others like honest yeah, I've made up problem. Last year's, so that's encouraging and exerted daughter. His a teenager and she's seems like she's headed off in this

Similarly, the super leftwing, that's how make everything is now it's for you, I had my son. I even paid a message. I really want a fifteen year old boy perspective on my book Let me refer you to read: it he's a good reader. I mean he had no problem reading it and he liked it. But you know still got his left wing opinions in his whatever its we live in a culture that is, our kids, are being assaulted, It is constantly being bombarded with all of the early system, so that its, but they have go through a period when they, when they wrestle with it themselves, when they were still doesn't meanwhile in my view, have surrounded me money to meet to believe TAT, the actual your six hundred pages it is it so true, kidney means and that this does not believe in God man lay, but if they have to come to it themselves, have to go through the same thing. I went through like the difficulties in life when you're like what the heck I I thought career

was gonna give me meaning in life, and I didn't tell her, I thought I could finding a boyfriend or give me meaning a knife and it doesn't. Those are the things that people need to go through before they realise that finding Jesus is like the only thing that will never satisfy you. So I don't expect my book. Will I d better an experiment but to do anything goddess when it does it through the book by its mainly met for Christians who doubt- and we all do I mean even I having written all this evidence still have to go back and reread it and say: oh yeah, okay, so it is really true. It's not just this thing. I what I believe, because I want it to be true So it's a great way to grow deeper in your face. I mean TAT, wants us to worship with all of our soul mind. And this is way with our mind. We can make sense that. What we believe is not just wishful thinking. It's there is evidence, scientific, secular, scientific, not some! You know what I want criticise any other time.

Over scientific evidence, but anyway, evidence from secular scientists that can is consistent with the bible and historical evidence that is concerned. With Jesus living and dying and rising again and then all of the Erika Experiential evidence recall explanatory evidence that You look around the world and it just makes sense from christian world your point of view. I mean, if you're an atheist, the world. This doesn't make much sense, not as criminal explained so much about the world in biblical prophecy and so forth, so soon ruinous for twenty years on and off yes on off other researching, mainly research. So Semitism is like your faith. Journey like yeah yet in order that I thought make them with sense, and I described in the book is like a bull thy for me. The biggest hurdle to really believing that I wasn't just believing in some pie in the sky. Having was scientific evidence, Gaza, my underground degrees, in biology

so when I started reading the scientific evidence, I started thinking. Ok, I'm not disbelieving us because I wanna pretend I'm gonna live forever that their science. That proves it. So So we are a few, your favorite sancy science, It's a sign in legates, much you're very signs. In August Ok, we'll terrorism to own an atheist with drop this on them bone micro. Oh, my God, Knocker Solar, there's so much well. I boiled down to seven main scientific evidences, and so you can read the book trade with those are, but One element of the first is one element of the first chapter. I would say, because I, on physics in astronomy, is the nature of time. So am I rented about this in a book called the science of God by Gerald Schroeder he's at MIT physicist? Who is jewish?

and I had never read any other apologetic spooks. It refers to this, but I sense the lobby was theory of relativity notes, the law of relativity. The flow of time changes depend. On the force of gravity acting on you and your speed, so actually you're going at the speed of light time ceases to flow. So super super weird stuff. Like those instruments, I not going like we're five years or so. If we run and much heavier planet, let's say it's like a hundred times the size of earth on track. Time would flow slower. So that- MT, because I'm swirl I've seen in her sellers is like an energy. Only bizarre. I don't even quite get it, but it's true based on the left, relativity time flow slower on a much much heavier planet, and you can actually that the example that shudder guess I'll give you guys this example. Time on the sun flow flows She order slower.

The time on earth by a factor of to plant, and what is that? What I look like, I guess it's me, I think of time- is integrating lean intersecting, initially create with a clock, museum or stone they fly down to the really heavy planet and then, when they come back up, the guy in the ship and aged, like tenure for twenty years or dogs out an angel aged different pay yeah. I guess I'm more of us on the automatic gotten around, but there's more it's time based, unlike biological processes breakdown. I I guess I don't really know exactly how it works, but something that would take a year on earth would take a lot longer time on those have your planet. So I was drunk without genuine siren, I'm gonna just to bring it all home here so, for example, the time on the side of those two seconds or to two parts per million slower. I know the brain is so anyway. What you can do is determine the flow of time at the big being at the time and the earth came the universe in the came into being using the cosmic background radiation

Spain is much better in the books are definitely get the book, but it turns out that for every one day that passes on earth six or one million million days, pass at the beginning of the earth of bananas and it turns out to be exact six days so read about it. In a book is only totally just chopping up right now, but and then you could Schroeder through inches what happened on each day of Genesis and what happened in the history of the universe. So the first day was about eight billion years. That's when light in electrons separated from photons and light came into being, and then it basically matches up day for day after the first being a billion years. Secondly, was four billion costs as the earth's the universe is expanding Financial aid, but anyway that to me, was like boom. How does that not possible and went on other people talk about that, but then I talk about

Big Bang. I talk about fine tuning and in the language of DNA by Francis Collins, talk about the of the evidence from my irreducible command city that he talks about you talk about evidence from mad Fashion, that aid is more my only time there is a lot in their there's a lot of your guns nodded yes, I did. I was our other professors like given Sorbonne movie where they tell the kids, like all the biology students, to sign this paper that doesn't, it is another area he's dead. Sorry God is dead. Is that how they do it? And that is it means it undoubtedly with it. They let you let it stand per year. Oh, it's pretty much understood that. That's what you believe I mean. Why would would you be studying science and and still believe in God

it is actually the atmosphere as one of the misconceptions under scary. I'm really you're, absolutely vital and my favorite class was human. Behavioral. Vitality in the one of the goals of the class was to explain how all of our emotions. All of our behaviors have an evolution and just unguided evolution that issues because of the way we were so even because we're altruistic, because we share genes with our cousins, and so we want to help our tribe. There there's so much it, everyone is trying to explain things without necessitating yeah and so it's become almost like. If you believe science, arrogance- you don't believe in God, which I think is completely the opposite of what it should be. I mean the more I study science, the more I realize there has to be a god. This is absolutely incredible that this happened, then the sixteen or thirteen point, seven billion years at the university center

that this diversity of life in the human brain see capstone in God's creation just way too short a time for that type of evolution happen without somebody, fiddling with the genes. So anyway, Look it's ITALY's Lena, better issues like when you look at the science and you see, God is the engineer behind the complexity and beauty of all that is created. You have a much more appreciation of God, as opposed to wine to discard him knows with their try to do in the universities, secular this is at least so. You have you ever been of the Ark encounter. Can him the Arctic, counter own already. Are the big aren't I because they ve got like dinosaurs, like Jesus, writing, a dinosaur. Unlike other, so you know be ready to throw down. If you don't think I know, I'm lotta many roads, residence, she's, U camps and this time more than two that the two main camps either again

yeah. Thank you he's older. In order but you're like D age, you are like gap theories different than its differently. I knew I think that the days in the book Genesis were from gods. Perspective is, according to the flow of time, at the time that the point of the universe is history that God was looking at. The the short earth- and I I cringe I'll bet needed. I noted as arguments. None, not a fan and its because they're not a genuine. They want people to believe they want people to believe, but it does. Little bit of a disservice, win scientific people hear it and think. Oh. I have to believe that in order to believe, The Bible in these you're, like just there, and yet I believe that The evidence, in all truth, is God's truth in The evidence that secular scientists find is consistent with the Bible, it

nothing that is planned conferred with the Bible, unless you add things in the Bible that you think should be there anyway, I don't will go too often at times too much, but I do think these days need to see that it's consistent with science cuz, it's it's hard for them to believe. If what they're learning in a secular classroom is different than what they should hear, the Bible teaches, and the Bible doesn't say that. Anyone, but I'm not gonna, go down that road. Anyway, is sir I'm I'm I'm an old universe. Person here it is thirteen. Would you go see the earth encounters in Kentucky absolutely, and you know the measurements of the Ark? I don't have this in my book, but the measurements of the argument, actually that that are given in Genesis, are the correct dimension. As for shipbuilding, knowing how to for the sixteen hundred there's, something ought to have a ship that is correctly

four, but that's not in your book. That's yes, doesn't really. I don't do that kind of stuff you get around another, but he knows are things like at all, like you know facto aids that I just kept out, those aren't you gonna knows our continent. I do as include there's a chapter on symbolism from the old testament poker. In how Noah's Ark is introduced for some people. Work is a similar level of of Jesus. We're in Jesus and were saved on your nose building the Ark and people that he was crazy like brunt houses argue the middle and desert can save you, but now in theirs references in Hebrews too in other parts and testament to the Ark, is being putting forward to agree. South Asia, but I'm sorry do talk about the art, but not in his eyes, and open the logical to hear more symbolism of the Ark and on how to get in their lives on the old testament. That points forward to Jesus Legal preparing us for the message salvation

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questioner. Helms, that's your needs and faithful counts, got comes out, Babylon be get started today. You do it do it now. You're guaranteed not to get a councillor whose Richard Dawkins hundred percent guarantee money back, maybe must have an article. A question, like my expression, was more our questions to answer questions. The that's one of the stories, he'll struggling, Sats, wanna, most fairytale sounding stories in the Bible, rain, Jonah, Giuliani Animal are no garden of Eden. For us and have an animal source yeah. It is it's very that's exactly what I went through most of my life and especially going your christian school where I had to read the Bible in, but I can sure people that there are excellent. Flint explanations for all these strange stories they either

happen literally or their symbols out, Michael symbols that help us understand deeper truce. So once you realize that when it doesn't bother you as much to hear that you feel balance, donkey cut talked art does, we have to be a worldwide flood if I d seen worldwide to the writers of an egg Actually, I don't think it has to be worldwide, but I think it a day It seemed like a railway pleasantly. However, there are multiple Probably dozens of early myths That turn right. So I don't know I was there on that. There's some things. We will never know about two, It's a worldwide flood in to say that all of the features on the earth- that's like the Grand Canyon or because of it that's taking a little far. I don't think it's the reason. I don't think that's the truth. There are at least two the perspective, the writers of the Noah's Ark story. It was a worldwide flood.

So can hamlets is closest to the park. You said just now, and I'm not only of knowing ham and I'm late. The most offensive first in the eight defending people- I hate say so you wouldn't have about banana. I refuse to debate anybody. I went to him. I have no sign. I would keep talking about those whom we, because we would be bad debaters could mean stones online, and I know I won't. I grew up with the twin sister. We always have an apology. Come to know. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It's me accurately yeah how'd, you politic ship when you became and then what was the

yeah. Well, maybe where can I get how? Yes, my Magda hat scientist, Roma down the whole outfits rose down lowered, get a trump stamp and send it will you know it. It didn't change overnight by a definite changed, so an inner. My book, I dont, really talk about politics and I m about politics. But I do have strong opinions, I just don't want us to share the Meda anyway. I think that power- politics and spirituality are inextricably intertwined and when people on the last day we just have to keep God out of the public square. They don't know what they're talking about. They do not know what they're talking about, because atheism is essentially it's a philosophy, but it's a religion. Religion is essentially an idea about how the world works or the answers the biggest question, the meaning of life. What happens after we die in atheist, have exact same answers there. Just their answers to

by God. So anyone we come to the public square to talk about politics, we are the Ets The baggage is there what we think about life, what are the most important things in life? What happens when we die? What what are our values, as are all things tied in with our or religious beliefs, whether we believe in God or not? so I'm yeah, it does change so my voting yeah is definite more consistent with with conservative Christians. Catherine happens thousand adjust command support. President Trump, we want, you know it's a frustrating in today's world. Everything the black and white paper. Okay. So if you will for Trump, that means you love every single thing about Trump, really, not sojourner. Just ridiculous. I mean the guy's got some serious problems, but then

yeah, I'm going. I remember the goddamn even over everybody has, I think, is means. We want to make things simple. We want to do you know if you there, you're obviously you're a terrible person. If you vote for this person in your good person, if you don't vote, but there's just so many nuances- and we don't like to think through all those we like to think with what we what we already think is trio. So we just look for. You guys have great articles on that. Like amazingly after read this this big of it, happens. Everyone's continues to believe what they want. You take away from it. What will you wanna take away from it how do you say how do how do you think people like form, believes and opinions lay? I don't know this is a question that you prepare an answer in banana, see you eat it, and you know your books com, the shorter sleep, because you know you think that we

I'll have to take a leap of faith at some point and for you this is Christianity. Is the shortest leap to something that makes sense in something is rational. So let me do people do people think rationally there like you. So when you got saved you You know I wasn't necessarily irrational father, you know now that was irrational, but it is. A combination of humans are complex. Obviously, will the human will is super powerful and we, the topic of religion, is it's so the it's so personal, What you think about where you gonna go when you die, is such a hugely personal thing people are always on guard. At least I was. I never wanted to talk about religion with any one, because it really was so so personal to me That's one of the reasons, I'm terrible, sharing my faith, because I really don't want to make to somebody

comfortable, put em, who the point is that we make our decisions primarily based on what we want to believe. You know it's it's easy to just wanna believe everything's gonna be fine. When I die, I just become part of the soil again or I'm they go to Heaven because I'm a good person. Those are all like really comforting beliefs, and I understand why people believed them like. I always did. I was believe like to each his own. Everyone can follow their own path to guide him and we all end up in the same place anyway. Makes sense. I mean, if you think about it, rationally, can't say Jesus is God and then somebody else they will do this isn't tied in both of those are true. Either there one is true and the other ones not true or they're, both not true, but people don't want to think about that non contradiction. Do you have to think about that? rationally and what do as I go through and say will, even when you say there is no absolute truth. You making a statement of absolute truth cause your absolute truth is that there is an absolute truth. So your basic

you're telling everyone else who disagrees with you that they're wrong you're right. You should believe. Like me, there is no absolute but you're doing the exact same thing Christians do when they say. Jesus is the one way you're doing the exact same thing, but you're not admitting it. That's the frustrating barge alike here's a hypocrite of the worst kind cuz, you don't even recognize doing it but anyway, so this book is, is an attempt to show people that you're always using. Emotions. Really, unless you come to it with a sigh, Terrific, rational point of view, which I tried to do in the book so yeah it am. I would think I would say that most people who reject Christianity. Do it because of emotions rather than rationality. So if you disagree with me, read my book, your We recognise that I am right of the union, I'm in God even uses emotions in that kind of decision making. For good I mean because I think I can

that my faith was entirely this rational, like I have calculated all the options and Christianity as the best. You know that there was an agricultural things. We lie, farmers very, very rarely that's why I make it a big point of how I didn't even know any evidence before I became a Christian, God saves everyone in different ways. And he will use rational evidence for a lot of people, but for most people it's. A recognition that life has no meaning. Unless you have relationship with your creator and recognizing when you read the Bible that boy I'd theirs nothing that I could do to save myself. I mean I'm just Erech if we're all honestly together with ourselves actually and then with each other. Hopefully we, She recognized that there's nothing. You can do to save ourselves because we're just so wrapped up in selfishness in wanting to be right. In line

a good to other people and we're just just a bundle of pride and say even the best of us. That's really what concerns me, because I was always is the perfect pursued. I'd always do everything right and I dont need God, I'm perfectly moral, and I, she'd everyone well and if everyone were like me, I'd be, it would be just the perfect planet. Once I started reading, especially Romans, I realized. Oh, my gosh mice of righteousness is disgusting. Method is completely disgusting and, like I just looked out my nose at everybody. And that's all we do is Humans- is try to proper cells up and we looked down at somebody else is not like us in their either. You know not smart enough or their lazy or there in our different ready. Sir You know and meaning we always are China proper cells. Were always selfishly motivated just that Was that realisation, which is an emotional thing for me. Just like I discussed it myself and you say

if anyone but you're right. It's a combination it's not it's not only rational. It's not only emotional is a spiritual, rational, emotional and, of course, that has to initiate it so Thirdly, we have acted friends who were real upset when they found out. You know, I guess I've lost my friends you know we didn't really lose each other up until Facebook came out of you. Now you reconnecting back here. I friends from college that are there just strong atheists. They think I've kind

crazy. They really do and it just breaks my heart because I try to explain to them like now. I'm not crazy, read my book so easy to form of straw man in your her, whose somebody you seem so something on Facebook, my real all their money. You know everything about you see. My post on Facebook must think, I'm just its extremist, because I love the Lord I'm a total Jesus freak. So I bet I am, but I am also like totally legally back like I'd know how people who are atheists and people who are not. Christians, think and I dont want to offend anybody. I just this is how I believe now- and I I I I really want other people to believe too, but Facebook. This makes it right in your face. In, and I have to be really careful when I, when I share things to make sure people realise that

seeing your bad person, because you don't think like I am, I mean we're all about people, should we only by its social media, has just brought everything two heads YO and tennis intense. It's like this polarization effect. In and I've never seen anyone be convinced by an argument on Facebook me having islands like that, you know. That's early rational point thinks for brain annexing totally t exactly. It is it's. This doesn't happen so it's more for the personal sharing. You know that if they like I'm sharing this, because it's important to me then, for the people are sharing whenever I knew he was an identity thing, I'm identifying, and I really believe in, and I want to share it- it's not because I am actually get a convincing that in a little way, I'm hoping I can. But you write and argument. Never really that's. Why don't you feel that much? I just don't feel comfortable or like turn it can

Somebody I'd rather just write a book and say: ok, just remember to remain carpet was right. Article eight already ever shared my faith in someone said. Oh, I went to pray the sinners prayer with you. Can we pray. Remember I have on its friends at tell me that happens. Not all the time, unlike its it never happened to me in the roman army, of your people yeah- and I'm very- I just don't want. I won't ever going to like me and if I tell them Can I go to hell if I don't believe in Jesus? Thirty two be like what that, but if I can give them a book that says this is really something the Bible talks about. I'm not just saying that, because feeling better than you. I really want you to understand this book. Tell them they're gone how it it talks about Jesus being the only way because we on our own efforts on our own morality can't do it, we to have someone be our representative before God

you have like a male in the back for the african check, yes or known yeah, they there's a prayer. The end. I save to try to be very sensitive to people that are not reliant. Christianity, so I dont have any Bible die, but look at the. The Bible quote, I dont put like Hebrew so to eleven, ten or whatever. I just put it. It's no yeah, you haven't got that idea. The fire at the end was no may on there's no mail on fire, but they remain flare. There's a link to my websites to simply may see if there's a form on the website that is safe. The area, the it's very conservative christian point of view that you do not, faith and Jesus personal effort alone, and morality is just insufficient. But I'm the conservatives that just Christian I thank you, but people when I do this better than I do realise. There are a lot of christian churches Minister to researching

Christiana. Officially, the chapters on liberal Christianity like the Jesus seminar and knows dishonor those, She entities, if you can call Christianity, don't believe in God didn't believe in miracles and that's it prize man like when you got yourself a Christian, but you don't believe, there's a god that mean there's one thing to say: I dont believe Jesus really is God, but to say there is, no god posed throw by that she's like it's part of the deal yeah? If I think that the term Christian is come to mean so many things now, I'd like to learn more about somebody, you crazy if you learn while researching this, but let's break into a subscriber portion and you want to check out the book, the shortest leap, the rational underpinnings of faith and Jesus by El Van DEN Herrick Ethel. It's on Amazon and elsewhere, and the operators are to have a for people Luton to check it out. Christian book TAT Thomas had better prices to invoke Duncombe. Ok, Amazon's prices changed Amazonia,

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