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That's correct, warrior and then you, you went out to become a missionary to ITALY and that's kind of why we wanted to get gene So my lot even things but because you are in the belly of them- he's in a lot of ways for reform theology and then so do with this girl virus outbreak? Italy got hit stinkin hard rise from our understanding, so he went out to the EU. What about that? So? What's it like? I know you'd yeah you how you welded in your house and it is imperative that deserve that link. Theirs. Viral thing went around where so many described all the horrors of being in ITALY and its sound of this horrifying and the frequent ready out. And how can he do you read that? How close to that mere experience What no I didn't read that I mean it's been all kinds of stuff floating around on the on the internet. You know I mean I can only tell you what it's like from our perspective, so we're in MILAN, which is all the way in the north of the country.

Big City. It's like the New York City of ITALY Eight million people in the greater metropolitan area, the fashion capital of the country, banking. Lots of industry, It's it's a city similar to New York City, not only in the sense that is full of design, entertainment and fashion all that stuff, but also in the sense that is congested lots of people living together in one area and usually one city in the country this than harder hit. Then MILAN, so If you look at cases of commerce in ITALY, almost the cases for the vast majority has been in the north has been, and the region in which we live and watches lombardy twenty regions in ITALY not broken ended twenty twenty different places and our region has been hit the hardest. So

the government here. What they did early on was that the lockdown was sort of gradual in the sense that dumb damn before locked in the whole country they locked and just certain cities, and then they locked M lombardy so did a good job in the sense that they are able to spare the southern part of the country, because ITALY. Big peninsula shaped like a boot, is he has seen an but the southern part of the country's very different in the northern part of the country in culture. In just economic, status infrastructure, and Everyone knows that if they, if the virus had spread down to the south of the way that it had enough making the north there. I been a lot more death lot are suffering because the hospitals in the north, or some of the best in Europe down the south, though it's completely different, and did they just don't have the the structure to support that kind of Endemic

So so, where we're out me, let's that's good for the south, but we're whereat yeah things such as your question is we ve been locked on for quite a while that were going on our aid sweet now, so I've been seven Sundays here in my home, and by lockdown I mean you're not allowed to really go anywhere, you can lock your dogs and we do have a dog lit, is little french bodies. Cannibalism doesn't like to block all that much. We can only be once a day, one of us and we do have thankfully live a little back yard, so were able to go in the backyard in the garden and dumb Do you not see the sun? If we want but otherwise ya you at once a week for your groceries, it's kind of like a military operation gettin in and out of the grocery store. Damn the cases if you're, just men so high, and is he has seen on the on the news We ve had overheard sixty five thousand cases, an almost twenty two thousand deaths.

And most of those have been here in our area. So every day about five six, seven eight hundred people die every day. It's, been as high as almost a thousand, and The good news is that the curve is starting to flattened and look we're coming onto the backside now of things and dumb. So there is some hope with that. I mean as far as big congested cities go in places like like MILAN. If you walk through the invariably stays and plays eventually those the other, the numbers will begin to draw up and I know America's more complex knows a country's is so huge and not every places the same New York City isn't the same. As you know we live in, the little town, the Midwest somewhere, so I can understand some of the frustration and in it but if you're in a big congested city you know, there's a big outbreak is the more you can get everybody to stay indoors and not.

They're not go anywhere the better, it's gonna be for everybody. So so that's been our experience. Thankfully we have been sick without a few people in the congregation. Who's got sick but Tom they recovered, and that you have a very thankful for that. What did the year was the p, the like over there. That's that's a very important pieces. Awesome parity, because our men, ITALY, not. Well, you know pieces. The pizzas awesome sauce mean first among different than in the states. Like is the three of you were gonna go get pizza. You go to a pizzeria. You know me very dear little gesture with your hand when you soon It's actually do so.

The thing is it like: it is not the same in the states like if you guys went to go, get pizza states, you get a big pizza, it became the slices, and you know that our eastern Peter in America, but in in ITALY each one of you, with order, your own pizza, and so there are different ways to get the pizza before after social distancing. One. Who knows what is going to be in the thing on his ear and ITALY honestly, like I, don't know what the transition back to normal life is gonna, be like in the ITALY because I mean as a culture that ITALY is a culture of extroverts, so they are so touchy feely. I think that's why they had an hormone up their horrifying Well, it's true. I mean look like he got a church. I see some of the funny things are posted on the be about you know, introvert by ETA. You know here. Italy has a way of saw upon that attitudes like you have to pierce everybody.

When you got an unhappy nobody's ever in that connection, the whole that gives that way have spread deal with using all yeah. I think so, I think so because when you see a friend yeah you do the kiss on both cheeks any you not take so long to get used to it. Regular levels of friendship kisses like as their kind of the pack and then like this Nor is this is not a thing I know is that employers are the Italians. They eat the spaghetti like the one noodle on and that their lips come together. Oh yeah, Alla time over there, you just million the edge nudging meatballs towards each other, with their noses arriving darling. I guess the Disney version of the south of ITALY, the actually don't eat, spaghetti with new policies, thus yeah That's an american thing fantasy. They pile me well yeah believe me pause, but they never would put me pause with pasta. That's that

I said the lady in the tramp, the Disney cards they made that they made that up. Yeah, it's an American, its seat. So there's a tie in a man. Can cuisine, which is a different cuisine. Maritime policy. And so yeah that didn't you. Can you find that here he also there's no gardens near you. That's like gastronomical heresy, man I mean there's like denying the trinity and an olive garden read the less like yeah. But the pieces get. The pizza definitely doesn't get so and you get your own pizza and it's not cut and dig fork in nice and you go Japan is fantastic it's like a giant pancake us amicable with serpent it's a meal, and it's like it. It's like a cultural event, a mean even Italians, who were extra.

We will still have a pizza. You know maybe once a week at say, that's a normal, a normal thing. Well now that I've got the important step out of the way everything the father at the thought of what we do. PETE who, just because they were done so, do you speak ITALY, language Billy Button, which Italian S speech, I get it. We I preach in Italian and so teach at a time of that Armenia, you're always still learning right, I mean whenever you you learn second language, its sub, you like it school, you never graduate from buying time they I don't preach in English so like why, ITALY, though I mean you know, people limited missionaries the thing about gone out too? island in the middle of nowhere and Smart

was a why ITALY was at the creature. Was it stupid I always money what Mario brothers? we already have the experience, I write my way: their debts and Mario cartons them Actually Margarets colonel I driving here is not method for not that's a good question. I mean I usually in oftentimes at me from an american perspective, we tend to think of missions only in the third world context. So Africa, South America. What have you the truth? is that all of Europe is on the whole world. Obviously, is a mission field. When we look at the Great Commission and what s more commanded us to do is to go out churches and to use the means of grace to make disciples of all nations. So she go everywhere. Everything sent a mission field, but you, in particular is a very needy mission feel because it's very

christian postmodern in far beyond anything that America has yet seen. And ITALY in particular, is a difficult place because it's one of the few countries in Europe that really wasn't touched by the reformation of the process. Reformation mission, sixteenth century there was the beginnings of a reformation and in in twenty Luther publishing books books pouring in through Dennis which, always sort of a crime, engaging progressive city and the fifteenth century sixteenth century at a long standing battle, a feud with the Pope, and start pouring in through that city. And circulating, and you have lots of discussion groups forming in places like monasteries and universities, Twenties fifteen thirties that continues to develop.

By the time you get to the early fifteen forties is when you have the time was, and then Also of Trans am several things that just put a complete stop to the reformation, so it didn't have long lasting a fax didn't have routes that went down deep, if you had in other countries like Germany in England, HOLLAND places like that by the time you get two fifteen forty two when the inquisition is reinstituted. Bite out by that point, people are flint people who are protestant are either going back to Catholicism by a thread of DAS. I'm going fleetly underground and then they either disappeared, died or do not want some of the place or they just flat like Peter, might have remained in across the Alps. In

and lives in England and Listen Switzer London, so ITALY's a difficult place. All of that is to say that for five hundred years, there's Then a lot of gospel witnessed here so, for example, I'm from reform tradition and there are no reformed or presbyterian denominations and the entire country, so and when you think of me places you think some California sample California is about the same geographical space. ITALY there, even kindness kind of shapes some in a similar fashion, banana hasn't We were the leg near the boot They very nice, and I think that before it throws and go out for a night we put on I actually kind of work that actually kind steppin anything sign up. I don't buy that like the first illustrations

Not if you, if you compare this to like California in ITALY, there are the same in July because I split California ass about half the population. So what thirty three million, I think and ITALY, has over sixty nine. If you like, California in terms of reform yeah in presbyterian churches. If you look at if you guys, are familiar with new park. The north American Pesterin Reform Council churches so denominations like the Orthodox restrained church, a Hereby Anderson. Yeah, none another than other ethical matter of hunters, North America, denomination, from which I hear Those denominations. If you look at just them, there's two hundred established reformed ass, a tree churches

just in California, up upstate of what thirty three million people in that no one and we're not even talking about the Baptist Church, the priest, the Gospel Lutheran, Anglo. What have you if you like in ITALY. Italy has about five, then in none of them are big during all tiny and there's no denomination their little groups with missionaries, church planners you now here and there So obviously the need is astronomical. It's just its enormous! It's it's a country where Catholicism is so ingrained in the culture, because here you have the Vatican, the Pope, everything you have all sorts of national holidays that are formed around doctrines, so have a national holiday, for example, for Emma. Laughter, the the modulation of fire of murder, of many merits, feeling my english

you you have! We have holiday here and in Lombardy, for example, celebrating seen Ambrose who everybody's off everything's closed that data. It's a holiday and so you have this all throughout the year and yet it's also mix that that Cultural Catholicism is mixed with absorbed Post, modern approach to Christianity. You know, don't we believe in miracles, that sort of folk lore. That sort of superstition double the authority of scripture, the churches, just yeah, there's probably got, is kind of the moralistic therapy: de as some other Christian Smith's talk about. Which is interesting because he's catholic now, but It's it's ingrained that of postmodern approached. Christianity is mixed with this deeply ingrained culture.

Catholicism. So that's what that's your mission feel, So there's of there is very little knowledge of the Bible, very little knowledge of the gospel his tremendous opportunity. Here nice is not always easy. You have to do. You really do have to make relationships with people before they can. I trust you to hear what you have to say, but you you have. That sort is an end in United States. I don't think I really appreciated this until I am, I the United States in the. U S, you know we still have sort of this protestant backdrop in the country that dumb, maybe suppose we take for granted in others. This is a lot more christian. Q, maybe you don't understand the gospel thou, but it'll easier. They have more nomenclature and the vocabulary too, to talk about those things then

place like ITALY, where Christians is just one of associated with tradition and folk lore and are you our national identity is it that makes sense. So curios room just curious about this. Being one of the few reformed people in ITALY Year, you Aachen, you're at some place could pics, scraper type place a nice big, elevator you're on the elevator suddenly. Ding. The door opens. The pope gets on all loan in your with him. For till he gets off so thirty seconds me. Then you got thirty So what do you say to these are rather a guard when you do not know if we waited a button, the merging of the Fraser elevator there are like between Florida is already the guards not make it on. It's just you know, cameras you and the Pope thirty seconds

I got thirty seconds, I'm unless you push the button which then you publicly arrested, but you weren't there. Okay, if you, if what you say, is worth getting arrested them you do. Everyone Well, ok, if I got that much time I We probably ask him: do you know what is the gospel was get right down the brass tacks and ask him what that isn't, it is this particular point, I probably know ways gonna, say, and dumb yeah, he's so different than the previous bob. I mean the previous pop you could have had a doctrinal discussion with you this fell. On the other hand, everything since its cup fruity yeah. That's would probably be my approach and as yet These Ratzinger, the previous Pope, hee hee he still thought that it was necessary to. Anathematise, Martin Luther

The present pope I'm he'd observers going to act does not the same thing as euthanize well, yes, sermon, theological version of choices. Let me look when you said an anathema sense: from anathemas eyes. Tat yeah condemn its polite way of such rights. They are striving over have you ever read the Council of Transit, for example, which shine could encourage every Protestants read because I didn't know your nails elms looking at the all the council Tran Lit now: ok added Trent, razors and levels. Culture is the use their document in fifteen forties, where they caught aside their belief against the doctrine of ass deflation. My faith

So before that, before the fifteen forties, the roman Catholic Church never had an official doctrine of justification. So that's why he has the EU. Like Luther. You know the stocking ease, Roman Catholic at the beginning, and second about in a dark from just given by faith alone, and at that point It wasn't illegal to hold that position it becomes illegal in the fifteen fortys and they codified that and ass it that he had ass a lady as that somebody like Ratzinger, would still. He still believes that stuff and in his consistent and he's still a pole is not. The official Pope right now, but the words weird period of time. History at the moment where you actually have to live the of Islam is a pope. Isn t even get deep hoped

will he advocated, but he still, he still call the Holy Father and through the ruling catholic churches to phone, he knows progressive report. They had three at one point That's right when it for almost four do we or do we lose them. Aid. We got you back MIKE. Hey guys you there, though, the Pope shut you down here with you in Catholic Sea areas, papers, ninjas, a street seriously and all opinion wiring. I met a man s. Was so hard getting into the country and ever since then we just or follow all the time. So I said, but I guess what we say I remember either not simply pass up. Yes, what is it would mean, work. It's gotta, be so

culturally different over there, probably things we only think about being here because it so deeply ingrained. And is there even like, is their hostility towards you being a means? Everybody's super so hard core papist that they like. When a bring a building down early punch you in the face when they see on the streets or other romilly roaming gangs of Burma are ninjas. I was one American, any business, angels, Vatican, inches long strings. As far as I know, no there's no there's no ninjas. We can't area. How do you know them Well, no invisible True, I mean yeah that could be some secret order of legs. Ninja monks debtor, who knows what maybe maybe that's just cut off me. I can right now. Has my gun No I mean there is there. Is that, unlike we have when my court and was here for our era, our reformation conference last stop last October

He used witness to that. I make sometimes in a welcome to the the front door of the church on Sunday and the iron ITALY. Every has like these US steel shields put down like over your door like you shop window, you and your shop door If you wanna business and so are Partridge Building, which, for example, we can't buy a church building. We aunt em we can't even we can you alone from a bank. To build a church building. Here's what we're not Roman Catholic were not recognised by the church or but by the state. We have a. We haven't, shrivelled, lower recognition, which gives us some leeway were recognised as a humanitarian organization. So and that's been actually gray, because what we do is we teamed up with them? Your time cross and

like we'll go we'll go hand our food for the poor in our community and were allowed to give bibles there's some law that allows us to have some religious freedom to speak about those things but were not considered, whereas states. Recognized church. We are rather a the best put in english spoon where humanitarian society that is of religious nature and that much spread it under law, but we don't get the same freedom that the roman catholic church Orson their church that has been recognised by the state would get anyway, I was gonna say like four important was here. For example, we came up to the front gate and some had left dinner. I would like some dog feces you not the the front door or the spray painted beings, or though you know, or was it

my really sure, didn't do in Spanish closely muslin out of pure gold pieces? I mean you think people think they get dog with that. Might it be voting time, my seat, alignment of the eye had bug This is all my windshield one time, and that was not a dog that was the man that my mother married, because the calm stepfather, but we have to go with me. He's very is very petty and I had spilled a little bit of pipe tobacco is front porch in the night. You so mad at me that I gathered up all the dog feces in the yard to a bucket and dumped it on the windshield of my car in the morning, and I had to figure out we're gonna bird did. This is so big one anecdote, That's him! With this anymore, you very petty gay I'm sorry, Sir Doggie sees left in a play,

is stuff like died, and you know there's been times were yeah? We do a lot of you lot of circular lot of videos like a party to this apology, videos answered let them and sometimes the united. You get a lot of backlash. But you know it's nothing I mean when I were not being we're being arrested or beat anything like tat and then the truth is a lot of people are are very interested. In my neighbors, for example, we ve developed a great relationship with them the owl, person in the household and we had a relationship also she died, and so the family asked me to come to the funeral in a big roman catholic Church and the Maybe two minutes before the funeral begins

the family. Speaking with the priest and the priest who asked me to come up and said he would you give a few words in the times? How would you give a few words from the heart, and I understand the urine, Evan Jellicoe Pastor and I sure am the pulpit, our rights and so yeah. I had an opportunity to spread the gospel for about ten its and from the resurrection and their lessening MA. It's amazing. It's amazing! You can be in a country like ITALY, a european country not third world. It's not. You know we are in the jungle someplace it's rather a country with a with a huge and rich Kristen history, Yet people haven't heard the gospel David They haven't heard it

I'm here I'm I live here. Milan- and this is this- is the city where Ambrose was passed her for a long time, a bishop. After the guest. You can still go see the place or Augustine was baptized. Your search churches and crosses everywhere, just ever an people down terms. Yes, I had to do a little video on. What's the significance of the cross, you know they just think of it as a symbol religion or Christianity and in general, all kite kind of the time I'd, identity, but now ok, that's the place. Where are our Lord paid for our sins under the wrath of God, and there was this exchange. You know arson for his righteousness. That's just like totally new to them? They haven't heard that before yeah it's fast and it it's a fascinating place. It's a tremendous place for it,

easy Yuri. All of Europe is not easy as emission feel, but yeah. We tend to think because in America we tend to think of places like ITALY as a vacation destination Rather I am, and it is, as I go, someplace a visitor artwork, even though the Arthur Memorial whether it is true I mean, like you got a thing I must take the Mario tour it's easy mention here is where I learned millions coming shop hewn! You know anything about. Mario I actually guy, raised these boys, I wasted, I confess, to play Marianna time, Ethan he's dying amongst others, not saying. If he's a celebrity for ice, ITALY you'd see that you'd see the little plumbing shoppers started out. Gotcha and then have that and then you go and see the mansion that he started his first mansion and stuff that you visit the houses of his Ex wives and things like that.

Pizza shop is not doing one eyes like he's drunk yeah, you do not over time semantics Do we in Europe, something that was very early August Pisa people, think of acidification, vacation destination curious is maybe a completely ignorant question Cosette these guys railways out. Hearing may enter this reform stuff. I'm like these guys. Look at me like a cup. What did you think Reformed was when we first talked about it? You you had some near like reformed. What's I did so I I just figured I'd never ahead. Is this really specific movement have reformed people until I met these guys We have been hearing about it, but I just thought that it was like just then there's Catholics and then there's reformed church was just you know. You read the Bible and the Pope has until you it

her whenever I think that's the heart of the eleven yeah. Ok, but I'm curious there is this divide within Christian Expose and we want the thing were huge jig geeky, Chesterton fans he's ok. Hardier loves yesterday was a Kapital. He was a catholic and you think he's still lies reform. Now. Glory. There's some people that will not. They see. Calf united Old managed at breakfast with his prey. Guy and he would he had come out of the catholic Church and he would say very authoritatively. The catholic church they turn a constitution. And there are people who just consider rather Christians, that have kind of a different way of going about it or whatever, obviously giving so well. I guess where Where are you on that and also Yes, you are you there trying to convert Catholics to your side or like just to every

in find egg. Is there a goal that you see something in the catholic church that needs and need there that you're trying to meet, or is it more just the culture of ITALY? question. There was a great questions, I'm so glad you ass those who so yeah GEO. First question: you know: here's the deal with regard to my approach to Catholics I am very non polemic when it comes to my approach at because I'm a missionary Google. I believe I am right now, in other words, on the lower laying admin someone yeah. I saw I mean unfortunate though there is negative, a polemical ok, ok, I was, in other words like I'm not going around telling people why

the another pictures of Jesus are a violation of the second commandment, which is, as you know, that's like a big deal for us reformed people. I just It is like the least is like us, such a small thing, compared to the big seeing from where I met right now as a missionary, because they don't they don't know the gospel. So rather than getting into an argument with them about the violation. Second commandments or because it's pictures and Jesus everywhere I, how do the gospel, unlike, reading the council trend is not the track and consumption. True I mean here's the deal I saw nothing. Reading the council trend is not the track and concentrate is not big, its small. You can read it and it's. It's really really interesting. If you like the ology at all, it's you'll find it. I think, entreaty has it'll, go down the listen I'll say things like if you believe that we are justified by

Christ righteousness being imputed to us, which we received by faith alone. Anyone who believes that, let him be an anathema, in other words, condemned and they were talking to the end of the reformers of the sixteenth century. That answer it was. It was actually illegal too. I believe that under it in the 16th century and after one thousand five hundred and forty one thousand five hundred and forty The trend and you can die for it. And so today. Obviously there's there's more freedom of religion. Listings has happened, movements that have happened in ITALY that allow for people to believe others doc. Besides Rebecca dogma after the Vatican to you in the sixties, everything's it's gonna, squishy, liberal However, people just don't know the gospel, and so I want. I want to tell people that Good news there sinners like us, can be made right with God.

And be adopted by God. Solely on the basis of Christ. Work is merit his life death resurrection, which We can receive by safe alone and better. I'm gonna find me no talking like This is where unable to me, where beware thereat and a lot of that is just by making developing friendships them because, as I said time, people are, Therefore they are very talkative there very, very interesting wire american arriving. California would be in MILAN, many fine, I come from San Diego that why, and why would you tell me, since I was an open door, and in its own way, and what I'm doing here and some people, but like other people, you know we ve developed friendships and there they'll listen to my sermons online. But the last questions- and you know

slowly but surely Congress, the eyes are something missing in the catholic church at being. The main thing is the gospel, because here's the deal- and this is important- move right, you're, probably more important thing I'll say programme- is there is some you know. The roman catholic church if they officially reversed their decision at the time The trend in the embrace the gospel and said in a we believe now in the authority of scripture over the authority of the Pope and believes it you know, a sinner is justified, solely on the basis of Christ, work which he receives. You faith honest pulses then we should all become Catholics. We should all unite. We shouldn't be divided the reason, we're Protestants, the reason we protest? The reason in that Flatworm Protestant is

because Rome has rejected these things. So, even though I am getting back to cutting your perspective, I mean I do believe that there are only Catholics who are Christians, not because of their theology, but in spite of it and so you know there's a virus talking to adjust their their knowledge of doctrine, is so scant they in talking with them is pretty clear that they are banking, on Christ is accomplished not on their own works their own abilities to get them to have an or even their cooperation with gods, grace which is official roman dogma, that you have to cooperate with what God offers. In order to achieve. He laid married, congruent merit in order to be acceptable to God and yet damn just better

use than that there's hope. And men we need hope, especially right now. People need how theirs and the thing is what the roman Catholic doctrine is. There's no assurance, there's not you have no assurance that you're gonna go to have you have the best he can hope for is that you're gonna spend ten twenty fifty thousand years in purgatory, and they After all, that's burned off your gets. You get there, but there's better news that matters better hope, a living hope that can be assured that were right with God right now, and so backing California, the love of reaching a gospel love living in San, Diego and loved arch urchin where we lived in it was wonderful, but the need in other parts of the world is so great and in others our whole story behind. I got here, but learning of languages and ending up here, we

where a privilege to get to know these wonderful people here in ITALY, and meet them more. The at and priest the gas for ever seeing them now we're seeing them come in to church in our aggregation is about fifty people now and yet and so we say it's blessing, but I don't take. I don't take a hard line approach, you know, and I welcome our steel. The first thing I say to them is like you shouldn't primarily as justice, not the right approach and and know, there's there's so many folks in America. The dismissal strongly about these things that that's great but they shouldn T missionaries in ITALY because you got a unit Those things will take care of themselves that later, let's get out of the list, the brass tacks: let's talk about how you are

was gone, what Christ is accomplished and and then will deal with the other things said the doktor, and so we believe are are are abhorrent, a rock so well counterpoint. Catholics have Jericho. That is chair do and even other kinds of cool guy see K just now I did when I make a quick note today at the beginning of this segment of what asked her said. He said this is the most important thing I will say this entire podcast, and then you cut off, put the pale all right there it's not about not cut off and we go to subscriber yes, observers we make on paper only love you pay for the gospel of everyone. If I guess I do not even worth talking about, but you know when, when all this court of ice of bubbling up everybody America, while not everybody, but all of socialists,

like, if only we had a single paler pair healthcare, we'd be fine and then the obvious question was like. Will ITALY has that in their narrowly fine any view on now from your library. At variance with the nurses, healthcare system stuff, you guys honestly, like our experience here with the healthcare system, to be totally osity. I see pros and cons, I mean, I remember, yeah, being in San, Diego and half and go to the e and simple. The way you know five hours. It was on a Friday night and there's a bunch of football injuries, you're stuck there for a while and then there's Who pays and in everything else So here taxes are astronomical there, it's ridiculous is taxes are so high that it exists. The gates agree. When economy

but in terms of just strictly speaking, about health care, yeah he's I ought to be to allow you can see advantages and disadvantages on both sides, just the horrors that goes terms of the outbreak and the reason why their debts you I've been in, oh, I had some people online make comments like this, so sad people dying because of socialism owner. Yes, I do I humbly very vending that was really helpful here, because you know the truth is that it doesn't matter what kind of health care you have if you have only so many hospitals and someone hospital beds and you have a massive outbreak in your particular city and those schools and flooded You're just gonna have more problems its debts. They can't support itself with how you pay or theirs through taxes were out of pocket is irrelevant at that point, so he asked as far as that goes.

Oh no know I mean what's better, in terms of getting your care here, there's been some rule. Is some real advantages to how they are able to mobilise things. That cares and pretty good. It's the I don't think so there. I just don't see a connection tween their nationalized health care. And the amount of deaths that they ve had is to spin. You know I am unable to support the IRA, there's actually more hospital beds per capita in ITALY than the United States, so that our budget shows you that if your I an outbreak in one particular part, This is gonna, be what it is doing. So, That's my not answer for the kind of my impression Terry supplies, everything, but a cell. Communism to me,

now it is more that people always draw whatever connection I e on and it's like. No health care system is built for a once in a century pandemic, or I will thanks a lot. Thanks guys, Fun Hester, you ve got a book. I will. If anyone wants to find out more about past or Michael D Brown and a work he's doing in MILAN, you can go to formation, ITALY, DOT org. He also, co author, a book called sacred Bond covenant theology explored where he owned dispensation lists with facts and logic that accurate yes, I mean son, aware because I'm ruined got Amazon's and such so awesome thanks a lot MR, wherever these guys lot of fun and Danny you still there. I'm here.

You didn't background guy using our staff, fantastic fun. Talking with you guys, thanks for great movement, the lap, it's good seeing your face, and I can't see us but dance in steering it, you think he's like a lot of fun and really appreciate. I appreciate the work you guys doing and Dan miss you and miss your family in so doing, they care do now who will stay safe, geyser you to carry the Agora, lesser double statements like not to let her eye. By now when I.

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