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The founders diva volleys, moat, now k he to me- and I can hear him in actual found- are not founder. Media like a whole, always smokes podcast. Ok, please most, I guess, we'll talk more, were wholly smokes. It's a group for sick smoke. Christians good, looking, mascot yeah, and then also Steve work for folks and the family for how long many years of an years, and then I work two and a half years for jobs and a family talk. So the talk later about the transition from focus on the family like those on the irish christian smoke, much cigar loved his here very rhodopsin rolling in the He's not dead, he's alive, he's not dead and that it does not like one of those guys. There was like a big nearly thirty years, dynamiting or but yea heard about a mutiny, Eightys and Ninetys Helen. You know these data,

he was busy now exist, just out, jobs and probably listens to our part. Guessing wearied is right. Probably does oh yeah yeah good laugh at it out again. Hopefully I will, Fair warning: this is not going to be a typical Babylon. Meaner view we're talking on some very serious today. This is a sad topic. We're Basically, in the midst of covert, nineteen summit and bothering me we- we talked a lot about a lot. You know. How easily people can give it I'm going to church being together community. Things of the soul. It's like our we think, is the aid it almost two shows. We fully accepted this materialist idea that we don't have souls. We just need to be well and healthy. In, like what it does on this kind of the numbers on paper.

Having falls into that is people who are sick you're gonna hospital and there's this kind of this. This blanket rule that families can't go visit, their loved ones. And Steve has witnessed this first hand. So you kind of just give us even give us that not children here story Stephen, then we can go until a more detail, but em I'll. Let you cannot take us but kind of no organ from here I appreciate you guys haven't me on, because It's to be a long term fight for me so in MID March, when I went when the whole covered thing happened. I was in Wisconsin and I flew out there for the boys basketball tournament. When my college roommates was the head coach. Is that coat. Four Stratford high school two years, undefeated the number one seed in all of division- five,

I believe so anyway. Last year there were undefeated my food for the state tournament, but unfortunately got bouncing sectional This year they had to career thousand point scorers. His oldest son was firstly, conference. And so I want to be other for professionals and state and so life. Out there. In the day that I flew out there there and suitable a head postponed, the March Madness, MBA had paused there season, went when I landed, I was unable to go find out. It was immediate family only to that games waves watched at streaming, hold so apt. That night actually cancelled the boys tournament in Wisconsin, and that night my wife called me so the next morning she called me This is Steve, I'm not feeling good. I think I might have covered and a friend of ours who works for the D o D. My our sons our best friends,

and the wife was exhibiting covert symptoms, and so my wife's hey? Can you come home early from this trip? Really not feeling well so I came home and my wife has had massive health issues, her entire our entire marriage Lupus Rheumatoid Arthritis and in She ended up in twenty Fourteen and spinning five weeks in the hospital to EAST with a massive lupus flare up, and then three weeks at the end of the year, with being ultimately being diagnosed with pulmonary hypertension. For those that dont know, pulmonary hypertension is basically the hearts pumping blood into the lungs the lungs aren't taking the blood as quickly as the hardest pumping an answer. You get that back pressure. The causes, the right side of the heart to enlarge and start to fail So when she went in and twenty fourteen,

in November twenty fourteen before thanksgiving her heart, was significantly enlarged and failing Congestive Lee doctors when she went in they said it's an end of life kind of situation. Actually told me a doctor, baddest pull me aside and Steve. I do want to be the bare whose doktor banishes the head upon area at UNICEF, cholera, hospital entrance up in a rural suburb of Denver. Actually ended on our side. Note when I lived in a walking in a trailer park and Watkins and I'm so many times up. There are many many trips up there to that hospital and so anyway I. Went wind when she was diagnosed with the pulmonary hypertension, doktor bad issue than nurses. Told me as a world renowned, pulmonary expert,

He pulled me aside and Steve. I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but there's a very real possibility. Your wife won't be around to see your youngest graduate high school, and to explain two things Number one eventually Pulmonary Metz stop working and because they increase the Mets increase. The mess What's the matter until there's no no benefit and then event The public potential that takes over the slow, slow death- And he said the other way is because she has a hitman lying going into a chest. Pumping in the men to help manage the Palmer. Protection, that there's insignificant infection risk. And so you see said on average pulmonary get patients get one infection a year and so I made it a goal to really trying

will really try and taken Philly little extra care of my wife So with that. All those health risks. We were taken this this thought that could have covered very seriously, so I flew back and over the Worse than seven weeks, she got tested, came back. Negative after one see her. There was all virtual visits and on April. Twenty ninth up and down the entire seven weeks and maple twenty ninth she started. Vomit at about four in the morning and couldn't keep anything downs we finally decided now is the time to go to the hospital. Called the house, but we call the ambulance. They came picked her up and ended up weekly transferring here from cholera hearing cholera springs where I live up to Denver. To the image of cholera hospital

Where, where her pulmonary doctors are and the day that she got up there. She got retested for recovered. It was again negative and tested that day and I was also negative, and so I thought Kay call, I I mean I'm next if she's negative there, let me in now told me no visitors, and so, that was a Thursday. When I got my negative back Friday, I called the hospital and. Try getting hold of the hospital c o you even thought for that for a moment that they would say no visitors. When you went up to me, they seem what it has been on your mind that, like oh yeah, I'm goin with her a hit so I thought there was a chance. See my right. I neither heard I had heard and that's the reason why shouldn't go to that. She didn't go, get mad

Get more medical attention soon after wooden, see her and ultimately, she was diagnosed with pneumonia and a blood infection and you can't diagnosed pneumonia over virtual visit and on So, anyway, find out that I wasn't allowed to be their. Hopefully they were changing the policies soon. That would allow me to go up there and fact the next week One of the major hospitals here uncover springs was allowing one screen visitor patient per day method are I mean, and in fact it later, that weak universal use, IE eight universal Cholera Health, which is the the big conglomerate here and in Colorado. They were allowing visitors into all. Their hospitals, except you were secured a hospital and shoots, and I believe it was for Collins.

So, and so she went on April. Twenty ninth on the thirty effect, my negative covert test back May. First, I called the hospital one clients. Told me he said Steve. I just got off the phone with someone who was very involved in the memorial hospital. You see murder. He said. To call you, The age c o Elizabeth courtier, he says to call you firstly of cholera, hospital c, o Christopher guessing to call the head of nursing, overdue c h and ask for an exception. Their offices wouldn't take my call spittle said the only two places only to people that you can talk to our patient advocate and the head nurse on her floor. To a head nurse. I said I'm negative for covert. Can Be let in no The only the own exceptions we are making our four imminent death- and I said well:

the first night. My wife was there. She, got this antibiotic and massive diarrhoea, really dehydrated and thought told me that morning she actually thought she was gonna choked to death on our own flung. Does that not as you know something now but have personal protective equipment masks, gloves and that that are used to change her Hickman line, the bandage over her Hickman Line and Can I reduced her risk her infection rates by sixty six percent according to her pulmonary doktor does that I count for anything, no What if I buy, even more advanced, met, P p. You, no more advanced mask a friggin hazmat suit I'll go I'll, go going. Whatever my mouth I'll pay whatever is needed so that we could be with my wife, because twenty Fourteen.

When she went in for that congestive heart failure. She may she made it out, and the doctors called an end of life kind of situation when she went in it was that serious because we had some one, because my mother in Law- and I were running twenty four forty eight hour shifts where I was. We opt for a day or two, my mother was coming in and we were, you know, trading off speaking life holding her hand rubbing her feet. Giving her that support that she needed. She made it out, and I believe that that us being there is going to be a key in order to give her out healthy. Now. Every every. Yes, yes, yes, I will asking asking asking us getting: no, no, no. So I've got a call back the next week from the patient advocate and really he was just a advocate for the hospital. I assume that there were probably overrun with people trying to get in and

I got this, it was. It was really goes and an insulting really insulting conversation. So I started post on social media and I started to do local interviews and I started to get some interviews with some papers here in Colorado and I start to exert some pressure on the hospital publicly in order to try and get in, And the next week, the head of infectious disease walked into my room, walked into Elizabeth Room and finally inserted herself it into my wife's case. Just like I'm doctor, Whatever and Heaven, excess disease. I'm here because you have a blood infection that we're trying to isolate, were trying to get the best antibiotics to work to get this under control. Let's take care of this. And the next day she walked into my room and she was like. Oh Elizabeth Writer is your husband

happened to be Steve. Writer. Ah Oki his name is on my desk. She Basically, I believe, was trying to ass, a fine, my wife and trying to get her to, me too quiet down and not be so public about my intent. My attempt trying to get him to the hospital. Fast forward to the full before mother's day. As picking up my mom from the airport in Denver in the hospital. Two cholera hospitals right on the way to get to the idea and so anyway, the boys and I left early and we got some euros at a euro place and parked outside the hospital and had had the face time dinner with my wife.

While she was there in the hospital at this point she had been and therefore I believe it will. Nine days and so we had dinner and then her nurse help get her out of the bed walked to the window. Flashed like some in her room, we could see what room she was an we fly, star lights and kind of she gets super super super emotional afterwards, because we were so close, but yet now allowed in there. You can imagine night at too I am. I got a call from the hospital that she's bleeding in one of her lungs and she was moved, I see you, they told me, don't come up she's going. I see you but don't come up. She that's very, very serious but its, but she stable. Five hundred thirty. In the morning. I got another call back saying think we ve stabilized the the bleed Still very serious will keep you posted dont, come up

and so she was an icy you, I believe, for nine days. And I was allowed to be up. There was allowed to go, see her come some given in own reasons of wit might be changing the the policy, on Tuesday, nodded and change the policy, and so. He gave us here in the window that he's a nice. You know and I'm so anyway mother's day. I called her when we had the space time call and I could not get her to smile at all. We have always had a marriage where I can always get her to smile, she's, very optimistic, very upbeat always made the best of a situation, those days that she was in the hospital she made. The best of that situation and she council

Me Steve, I don't know, what's going on here, but gods doing something we need just keep keep fighting keep trying to get in, but don't don't kill yourself over this, my cigarettes doing some stuff. The hospital that I dont understand and so Sunday. We have this conversation on mother's day and I can get her to smile at all, Every trick that I, that that that I, have done over the years in order to get her to smile. She never once crap smile and our conversation actually turn to what. If this is the one you dont come home from, and I told her babe As hard as this is gonna, be, if you do, make it all I promise you will be ok, it'll take time, it'll her, like hell. I promise you will be ok

not the kind of conversations you should have over face time but the conversations you should have in person. She. Started to rebound, and I I cratered emotionally, because at that point I is clear. I wasn't getting in. There was clear that. As lose in this battle and Tuesday. May twelfth I want to say, she had this experience with God that Is she couldn't really put it in the very man? In very many words she tried IX

dear to me, she explained a little bit were mom. She explained a little bit work faster, but that night she said this nurse came in and to start a praying over her, and she went into this this, like trance or sleep, doesn't know what it was, and she says If I wasn't in heaven- and I wasn't in my body- but I was- I was communing with god- and I wasn't verbally talking when I was hearing gotten my spirit and in the community the conversation was it it was amazing. And she said God was pulling stuff out of my body and doing stuff with me. And the nurse that night actually said you know that list It was kind of riding around pain like like she was rustling over stuff. And so she told me that on Wednesday, the thirteenth I believe and at that point

like. I said I got cratered emotionally and she was I don't get why. Why can't you be happy for me, like I, I but right now I'm still processing all of this, She finished out that we started a rebound more and more and more and the doktor on Friday. I started talking about hey we're gonna release you next week be able to go home now, Because of the bleeding in the long, but because the Lupus no rheumatoid arthritis some blood donor she's been on blood donors for years. And so in order to stop the bleeding and our long, they had to give our coexistence, which gave me are very much at risk of a blood clots and they knew about that risk in there are scanning or like crazy, trying to find any blood clots. A one point they found a mass in her heart that look like a clot could be a clot, and so they they up to her

blood donors to try and two days? that clot and so that their there was a significant risk of a clause and on Monday. This ok, look like this Wednesday, Thursday Friday when you'll come home. Eighteen Monday may may a. And on Tuesday, it was looking like she was gonna come on Wednesday, the twentieth And we had a phone conversation at about four ten: and it was all about a time conversation and it was about ok you're coming home. Probably tomorrow do you want for dinners? What do you want for your mom's gonna come on this day Make sure that front comes over this day in this day and the stays that way. You your Getting this ever everything you haven't been able to get in the hospital you're getting here at home was a short.

Ten minute conversation hung up in forty minutes later, I got a call from the hospital. Express soon as I as soon as I saw the hospital, I thought: hey cool right there. It's it's details about picking her up tomorrow, a call that you gone into cardiac arrest. Get up here now. Takes me now and I have to go up to the hospital I jumped in the jumped a vehicle as soon as soon as they called. I turn to my mom and the boys. Nice, your mother's got in cardiac arrest are praying, Jump into the car industry drive and start making calls and texts How far we are you hour and a half hour I asked to the longest the longest hour and a half in the world it was, it was make a phone call after phone call after phone call. Mom like I called them,

guy some holy smokes. I called her A very dear friend and client, I call the pastor I called my cause remit I called, started calling her family. And letting them know in about twenty minutes in the drive I called the hospital gotta hold of someone on the floor and they said there still doing CPR At that point I knew I probably wasn't gonna see my wife alive again: had some quiet time really just driving almost, numb almost an auto pilot on my way to the hospital um, called again as I was approaching Self Dunbar Loan Tree Queen what village,

and I called the hospital one more time in that. That's the point at which her pulmonary doctors that I'm sorry Steve we were unable to savour so, to the hospital in a buddy of mine, John Ramstein decorated, maybe your pilot actually got orders to go to top gun. This all injury derailed his career. He met me at the hospital and When I got up to her room, it was just. Celebrate what one when I got to the hospital. No one ever asked me to put on a mask: no one ever enemy I know it told me a mask was required. They just walked me up to a room. When I got up there it was, it was absolute guttural. It was weeping like I've, never work. Before in my life and Spock fifteen minutes at that dinner, Doktor came in and said some really nice things about her, and I item. I thanked him because

She could a dyed firemen. A few years ago when she was in with the congestive heart failure and hypertension when that was diagnosed Knesset. Thank you for the last five and a half years, because We got we got to do some amazing things of last five and a half years. We doesnt, really cool road trips as a family. In December, we took basically the month of December off. And I went to Australia for over three weeks got this. I'll, be right on the Indian Ocean fell asleep. Listening to the listening to the waves, my brother lives in our western Australia and it was it was actually amazing was. It was just an absolute glorious trappin at those Towser memories of the boys, and I will have for the rest of our lives. Christmas morning, waking up body surfing end. Going in opening presence and then going back out to the beach I'm. I'm I'm a huge fan summer Christmas, huge fan of summer Christmas present. Stray is the best place to listen.

Like their summer at Christmas time, yet it is it s, not school believable. X you. So you got through this gauntlet. Come to this end of it, and now. I assume that there is a reaction that begins to build up inside you towards hospital, however, is making these decisions than logo failure? right in that a mask. At the time. I have had the very point you you needed. At least straight I mean you would have given anything for ten minutes before they even didn't you. So what kind of sorts flooding in to your head and hard and just use from that point on the walk out of the hospital aft after I picked up her stuff, and The chaplain, escorted us out On the ground floor, gentlemen, more than half the doctors, nurses and staff janitors we're not worry, masks too

the next morning is one that really hit me because. If this was really, if I try not to take a position on masks and the response, but if this was really that serious, why were these doctors, nurses and janitors not worrying, masks on that ground floor, so serious separating husband and is then children from their mother. Yes, hundred deathbed but the mass are optional I had plan. If, was one screened, visitor patient per day. I had a plant where one day I was gonna go one day. My mother lamas gonna go one day. Matthew While this was going to go, then Caleb and then one of Elizabeth friends than I was going to go so that where she was getting different, people that we're just hold rubbing her feet holding her hand laying next to her hanging out with her those kinds of things.

And so the next I was. I was not completely and totally none that first week, end ah in such pain, the five weeks after she died. I lost time Plus pounds the near saying I am I'm a lean dude, I'm alone Alina was. I was all it was. It was illegal I see most humans skinny. Is you seen me all The beekeepers and so and so anyway, I started to do some media appearances, I started do some interviews and this. This idea of. We need to have low distillation and protection in place.

To allow no matter the pandemic to allow one screen visitor patient per day, we need an national stockpiles of personal protective equipment. We need to be Working with. We need better planning, because if the head of infectious disease called my mother in law. My mother in law and her had a conversation in my mother in law, said it well. If it was a reason you didn't let us in while we didn't have enough personal weed in them enough Ppe for visitors, as well as doctors. Well, why didn't you? Let us? Because we had the PPP while gathered, wasn't an option, which I mean it that the circular logic that that I have run into on this is is up appalling. There there's there. Our did a study, that equated loneliness to smoking: fifteen cigarettes a day and if that's

case my wife's smoked three hundred fifteen and twenty one days. She was there a universe of Colorado Hospital and shoots campus in Aurora she spoke three hundred fifteen cigarettes of loneliness, and that did not The situation I will to my grave, believing that had we been allowed in even a week in she wouldn't have gone, and I see you shouldn't have had the bleeding and our lungs she wouldn't have have. And I'll. Ultimately, what took her out was a clot hitter long. Air pulmonary embolism. That's that's really what took her up and. And she showed a lot of significant The autopsy showed a lot of significant decline. N n n n organs soda that. Twenty one days that she was there alone was significantly a detriment to her health.

Even though she made the best of it? You don't know she did what she could and we we caught. We talked multiple multiple times a day on face time. But faced time doesn't cut that personal rubbing it holding hands speaking life, those kinds of things I mean simply to have your family taken away from you and just to go sit in a room with a tv in it. And some people will bring you back Food now and then and you weren't sick, I need an idealist suddenly, your life is switched to that for like who is it? three weeks or Erelong? It was that would be a shock to somebody system. That would send them into a depression. I mean just that because to lose that human contact connection, your loved ones, it's already be, would be a form of torture. I was.

I had ammonia when I was twelve years old and has the hospital for about a week, and I remember that Just at that age, the lonely dark. A feeling when my mom, once you remember my mom laughed, I would sit there and I would now she said She D made us all for leave. I would sit there in the window and watch your leave. This hated being alone in this place, where, for me, the kid, but he knows this. They're coming in sticking me with needles, all my long and it's just dark and really all I have the tv in it. I wanted to have you on because I think It's easy: when you're, not You know how somebody in the hospital you know somebody young Through this Citys hear them say no visitors, that sounds so simple. When you hear the real story about that, looks like it has not only on the patient, but on the family. She said to go. We lost sense

humanity here, like of soul, like the idea that there's something more to people than just fixing Mccain mechanisms in a room with you, no one, ever whenever doctors, user little tools, I mean you know wrenches hairs, we're there. There is a balance between there's a balance between protecting the other doctors, nurses, staff. And giving the individual what they need, and we, We did a great job of in many hospitals. They did a great job of of protecting the doctors, nurses, other patients, etc. But the individuals who are dying alone still in many hospitals across this nation. When I bought a few days after She died one of my former editors family talk her than died a few years ago, and she invited me to this. This facebook group called Young widowed with young children.

And I joined a share. My story and. Within twenty four hours skies more than- dozen people dozen asked chimed in and said, I lost my spouse to I was unable to say goodbye. Is across the nation I saw on Twitter a story of a mom whose eight year old son. Was in the E. Did she didn't say why he was in the air, but he was in. The EU are multiple ours that mom was allowed to be with him, and they wouldn't even allow the kid to have his Teddy bear What were in an interview? Here's some Ursa here here, here's. My my when I medical professionals this I say what kinds of feed is this kid going to have overseeing the doktor, we're going to a hospital for the rest of his life, possibly unless he gets. You know Counselling Peter.

The trauma This is where he works. Through this way I mean he could be forty years old and die of a heart attack because he was like an does not gonna. I am, feeling something weird, but I'm not going to go to the hospital. I'm feeling this pain here in my lungs. Oh, it's a cancerous nodules that all the sudden, what's too late that is too late to go to go, see them to go to a doctor. And so yeah I've, I've. I've create a nonprofit called the never alone project and The goal is to. To push for comprehensive legislation, protects the patients To get one screen visitor patient per day this this, this. This is clearly been. A failure of the inn three american industry of the health care system and government. All three, levels have failed because we used to.

National stockpiles of p p. That mean a went away and- funding under our last administration. We didn't, did the hospitals not see this coming? Hospitals did you know, see this coming with swine flu with bird flu, with Sars did they. They knew something like this could happen, and- and hospitals really need to be held accountable for forcing people to be alone for as long as they have dialogue. Those kinds of things. An industry really needs to step up and bring some manual actually of essential stuff back here- we need better and better masks. We need better, more protective quit. So that way we can more easily lead in these. Green visitors that that don't you pose a health risk to those.

Doctors and nurses and staff, Something feels very the way that you are describing when you're trying to see your wife, if user bureaucratic, like it was unbelievable ya like absolutely how arbitrary it is and that's what a lot of us have criticized about. All the restrictions and stuff is not necessarily that there are restrictions, but that they do seem so arbitrary. We see People dino protesting in the streets in its fine and write about my church can't get together and seeing- and you know you have people walking around that masks in a hospital, but you can't you can see your wife even one on one with with protect equipment and such so where's, coming from does it feel like it was coming from our into individual hospital setting. These mandates is as bureaucracy coming from this. AIDS are local government or what's the biggest barrier to is the authority saying no visitors, is it individual hospital, was so so at the universe. At U c h, numerous cholera hospital attitudes

from what I was told. It was a team of doctors and experts of which the head of infectious disease was out. Probably the main person that that made the decision And because she inserted herself into my wife's case She gave Elizabeth her cell phone Elizabeth and Doktor Baron text it back and forth and it got to the point where the Week that my wife died, I texted Doktor Baron, asked for an exception. I said I basically yeah. I said I I logged into my wife's computer, got the phone number and then texted her, and I basically begged complete at nice. Please make an exception. I choose the week before was the week before.

Because when we had that, we, when Elizabeth found out that I did that she was, unbelievably mad. At me I mean it was there. Last fight was aware. Last fight a week before she died. And I was, apologetic in terms of going in and doing it, but I was I said, I'm sorry that I didn't tell you before. I sent the text and I am sorry that the way in which you found out she found out well. Boys know we're were playing. Cards with my mom at the table, just like a shot. I should have told you privately and so on. This reply back the next day from Doktor Baron. I admire your tenacity. Your love for your wife is very apparent, but I can't make an exception.

Like I said that there is a balance between protecting, the collective and giving the individual what they need and, and they were so focused on protecting everyone else that that that the individuals have been left to whether on the vine and if Point of a hospital is to help here bull and get them home. You would think that have A loved one that has been screened, the has p wit. What would be a out in and they they they refused. They refuse. They refused. Yes, I'm letting someone in those conditions will actually increase risk and they may have janitors, they have cafeteria workers. They have plenty of people that are getting in and working who they ve been deemed essential to be A person's presence- how is it not the least one family member at a time-

his deemed essential, I mean what Did you showing only then there's human beings. That thing that's that's a way to have somebody be that the worst moments their life to just remove all loved ones from them and to Does a screen time really helps it is? It is a good replacement for it. My life's a nurse she said the nurses are becoming by pat holders for people on their death better sitting there holding Ipad, so they can talk their loved ones. It's like, I have a friend of mine who, whose aunt broker femur a few weeks ago and elderly and one of her daughters is an hour in and this hospital in Greeley that are in daughter, was only allowed in ninety minutes.

And during that ninety minutes she was like my mom is not being properly taken care of her pain. Mets are not being I'm she's, not getting rolled over enough yadda. Patients need advocates right, In doing that, you know who knows your wife and her condition better than you and how are you not in there to talk when they're going, you know now that's the thing. You feel that when you're, not with a doctor, hymns walkin in he's, then window of how many different people in different situations and he's trying to just jump in on it. Decisions Can somebody there who has been down the road and can like. Has been the here s where she she's asleep. I liked you can't talker, its to me than they would think- that's not essential now, so I'm so much I Colorado State Representative TIM gainer, found out about this story today after a Lisbeth died on the cowardice son ran in article and it it made its browns through

the Colorado Senate and House, and my my preventative call me right at the end best as reiterated close up the the state session. And he said I want to push through a bill that arm sickly forces hospitals to allow one screen visitor patient per day can new common testifies. Absolutely I'll. Do that. And so I I went up to Denver in a few days. A few days later testified before this committee. And on the day that I, when I found out that, what hospital Association who helped draft the bill, strike through and basically right before it before it went to committee that basically turned it from a requirement to a suggestion that Let us do that so little bill really had no teeth. The date? They asked me to go up and testify, and I testified, and only

Two Democrats voted no and because the Colorado State House and Senate our democratic control them, we have a democrat governor thought: okay, The celebration through the house Seventeen people voted it passed, but seventeen House members voted no on that bill, including number of those committee members that were that were Democrats, and I was every democrat everything. The seventeen but no votes were Democrats. Can a no vote would be no Can it do the visitor known force visitors without that means, and not an end in a no to even this suggestion to hospitals that really has no teeth have so we know even to suggest And hence, and so anyway, pass the the Senate unanimously, and I was supposed to boys never supposed to meet with Governor Polis, scurrilous governor. Do it over Skype and then there was supposed to be a public signing

We found out a few weeks ago that the governor quietly signed it and I have yet to the boys- and I have yet to meet with the governor as promised. And so I, Front from everything like I can tell. Hospital association. The Cholera Hospital Association has has done their best. Put the combash on my story being told because it puts them in a bad light. So I, like the bill, was more of a virtue signal. Like Bulgaria, we intend to do good things that really did change nothing rights, exactly that's exactly what it was not now, fortunately, and there the universe to cover a hospital started, letting in some visitors and rather than just a couple days before the before it passed the Senate. So once a pass: the Senate. Ok, all of a sudden. Now this is really a non issue there. There is

Ok, we're word letting people in were letting some people in So I TIM gardener and I draw to Denver, because The governor sign this privately and didn't do any kind of public signing we're like we need to get in front of a governor, and we need to basically. Let him know our displeasure. Let him know that I had hoped for more from him and so we went on one of his covert nineteen press briefings, and I should up with a picture, my wife darling. Picture that she took on Facebook and I gotta from his legislative director, basically freaking out saying why are you gotta make a scene unwarlike we're not make us We're trying to skin, for you don't fight. Minutes three minutes of the governor, whatever we can get before or after this press conference are they quickly assured us up to the governors mansion, and I got three minutes with the governor and.

I basically said: listen I'm this this, this in a partisan is unique. Ceta completely agree, I said. Ah, I'm looking for champions on both sides that are willing to stand up and fight the hospital association and fight and publicly me, This stand say: individuals need someone, their hand they need. Someone to you know rubbed, thereby rub their feet and speak life and have someone there at the hospital because No one, no one, no one should be in a kind of position that I was in these that I completely agree. Ok, perfect,. So I had a conversation this on Monday this week with. His legislative director and outward looking at options here in the state? as well as nationally, would you say to a mean: where are you know well, husbands kids.

What would you say they got a as I guess you know, mister. Give this you having. We all fear the day, my life as a type one diabetic there's always this. I fear that if could a covert deathlike diabetics are getting hit very hard by it. But even now, like she'd, her life depends on the seller pump. That's stuck to her body You never know a first he's. Gonna do not have insulin, be stuck some without at the simple, thing like now having a Candy around or something good killer exists. So what is your knife from having gone through this thing that we all know one day we either will have to face or will die? First: What you're, what your advice now having come to the other side of it. My advice: would be number one be your biggest advocate beer. Spouses biggest advocate call. The hospital for

with everything you have in you to get in. There You issued far harder, looking back I dont know, because I don't, I don't think the hospital so dead set on now allowing me in yeah we're mortality like do you like them at that point, saying you to show up and issuers yours now, I'm in Yeah I mean, as I can help I had a number of people in social media that told me Steve you: should the show up with a gun and just the kind of walk in and with it monsieur behind you- and I know that at that point it would be me and be more about me than it would be about my wife's health. It would be much more and so. Still really rubs sneaking yeah, that's that's something that

I actually have a friend who's a nurse her parents live. I used to go to church with with her parents, and hey I'm sure she actually, as worked with a lot of covert patients, and she told me, the story. She did Steve early may before we started letting why, Screen visitor patient per day come in, A patient who looked like she wasn't gonna make it through the night and I called the daughter- and I snuck the daughter in and the daughter basically It was with mom, mom, rebounded, moms, home and she's alive to the stair, whereas, if she'd Nurse wouldn't have let her in she might not if this this elderly mom might not have made it through the night, yeah my wife was a hospice nurse. She said that that's a very real thing: people when they lose the will to live there,

Often that's when they do live and when they do diamonds That's very real. She was undoubtedly they have beds and I believe that may not being there s not being able to go up to her room, Friday before mother's day was really what kind of push my wife's health over the? any time she got really emotional I could see that it took it. It took her down health. Why and. It's something that I've I've thought a lot about. Do I regret doing that. Pardon me is yes, and part of me is no, because I knew that she needed to see us. I knew that she needed too. We need to have that time on you know, since we were so close it, we wouldn't have been fair to distract, buy and sell as as for someone who's spy,

We could be in the hospital or their mom or their dad or a child. And there unable to see them. My recommendation is just a start to be your biggest advocate and Posten Social media and start again get garner as much support as you can, and ah train out to publicly share Sheridan share. What's going on and sharing story. One thing with an ever long project that we're looking to do is we're looking to mobilise all these stories, people who If birth alone, people whose kids were in that year alone, people who were in the house spittle alone. For a long time, to exert pop pressure on these hospitals debt to basically. Shame them publicly! Shame them in into with with some massively bad pr too, that they can't fight this

is pushed through that way. We can get some comprehensive legislation and planning in place. So that way we can start. Patients have the right to one screen visitor patient per day, if they ve never alone, if there could be an organisation that has their own stockpile of TB. Just in case casein you make donations to that. Have that kind of stuff on back up, so the hospitals were excuse. You can stuff yet while I appreciate you, tell your story thanks guys So you ve got the website, never alone pandemic dot org. Can be never later support is that is, are we to do the? Yes? Yes, so I went when this airs. I will have the donate button up there. I just We just mailed off the the five and one c: three paperwork, the IRS for approval. And some am I got them: Account set up and we'll have a button on there. We have,

here, the ability for people to share their stories, We have a facebook group never alone, project group and Yeah, that's the whole idea is for us to start to show, stories to heal together and to mobilise that way. This never went. No, no one ever goes through the kind of pain that we ve gone through every one even Doktor, Michel Baron. The person that help me out of the hospital, even if she is travelling and her husband is in a hospital. Even she has the right to go, see her husband. Her. I will. I will you So I really you check out that and This petition, here about still going on you changed our petition, will link that in the show report. I think you do that so we are going to a subscriber force mellowed talking about holiest, looks, maybe how its help to I would like to know

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