From the New York Times are Michael Barbara. This is today for the first time, The president of the United States has made with the leader of North Korea, the handshake, the beginning or the end it's Tuesday June twelve, that money and thank you for calling J W meriting up. I have reached this is Rebecca masses, you, yes, I'm trying to reach a guest

Mark landlord awry disarmament. Allow me to transfer your call. Thank you. You will come hello, a it's Michael area, good, you sound awake, which is remarkable. Don't know why I'm awake, I can't tell you I mean I guess I just wanna- be mainline in coffee or some sleep Last night I had all literally after we spoke now not at all. Software will sleep tonight, but I'm only get to sleep for like in a four hours because it had to go up and do the voting tomorrow. Anyway, one

really sorry to give you up even longer. I know how late it is to thirty seven, where you are. You ve got a few hours before this meeting between Trump and can the last time that talk to you present tromp was just arriving in Singapore. Now it's the actual day of this summit what's been happening in the lead up to this meeting. Well, it's kind of interesting because on the one hand you have president tromp who had a really quiet day, he went and had lunch with the Prime Minister of Singapore. When back to his hotel met some american diplomats and has otherwise pretty much stayed out of sight Kim Jong own. On the other hand, who everyone expected to stay secluded in his hotel actually went out on the town on Monday night,

what do you do what he did is kind of a combination of fairly traditional facing driving around the town in his motive, and then he stopped off at this. Stylish casino resort on by a shell. The NATO which has a rooftop are in an infinity pool, and it's really one of the big attraction. For you know the hip crowd in Singapore and came wanted to see for himself. Any even took some selfies up there, though, if one of the ironies of this summit that the casino magnet stayed home and the reclusive dictator went out and visited a casino exactly it's,

Back then came German is a fun loving guy I mean intelligence. Reports on North Korea will tell you that he likes a party. In fact people say he's pretty much of a carouse it is a real surprised that he would be so public about it in a place. He's never visited in a place, it's way outside his comfort zone, so this is a guy who continues to surprise people and without tromp being hauled up? An unseen do make anything of that? Well, president, from has tended to be almost like an exit, the tourist he's not a guy who likes to get out and sample the local flavour, the local culture, he tends to stay close to his hotels in whatever cities visiting and I think the added element here is that tomorrow,

is the or I should say in five hours is probably the most important meeting he has had during his presidency, and I think he probably did have some things he needed to get done and he's not a guy like to go out when he travels in any that at this point. Who is there on both sides? Who is actually in Singapore for this meeting? Well, on the american side, you have the Secretary of state my palm pale the chief of staff, John Kelly and the National Security adviser John Bolton on the north korean side. You have a vice foreign minister. You have one of the top intelligence figure than an adviser to Kim Jong on a man named, came young child who, you may remember, actually travelled a Washington last week and met with President Trump, and then you also have interesting. We Kim Jong on sister came Yo John, who gained international celebrity,

when she went to the Olympics in South Korea last winter and sue whose really leading the? U S side of this, you mentioned Bumpo, Kelly and bottom. My palm pale has been undeniably the key figure. Aside from the president himself, he's a official who made two trips to Pyongyang to meet with Kim Jong on the sort of lay out the logistics and groundwork for this summit. It's really my palm peo show from start to finish in what is that matter? Well, it matters because the other figure who could have been very influential here and may yet be influential in the future, is John Bolton, the national security adviser. What happened in the case of Bolton is that, shortly after

He came into his job. He suggested that the north Korean should think of Libya as a model for how they give up their nuclear weapons. This didn't go over well at all, with the North Koreans day. After all, singled him out in one of their statements. Highly critical of the United States and made it clear that view them, as in their words, are repugnant figure and it actually wound up aggravating president Trump, because he thought that John Bolton had in effect almost derailed. His big show and bold and has taken a much.

Or profile on North Korea ever set, and the reason I say he may loom large in the future. Is that should this negotiation not go well the scepticism, the John Boat and showed the beginning would probably come back in the president might be more receptive to it the next time around. That's interesting, so bold and scepticism at a moment when the present was feeling optimistic about this all might have gone him sidelines, but if things take a turn for the worse, Bolton might be back in the presence. Could Greece's? Yet that's right. Remember. John Bolton has called for years for a pre emptive military strike on North Korea, so his views on North Korea are well established, their extremely hawkish, and at this very moment there not particularly fashionable right, but in the future a thing.

Go south. He may yet find himself back in the driver's seat, so I won't talk about possible outcomes. Obviously, the best possible outcome is that North Korea agrees to deny their eyes what would be the worst possible outcomes well, a meeting where there was an obvious lack of a poor between trumpet came, a meeting in which can came with nothing or very little to offer a meeting where Trump leaves feeling that he's just been used for the political benefit of Kim at home and overseas, and it ends up poisoning trumps views toward cam and throws the United States back into a much more confrontational stands. These are the North Korea. I think that would be probably the worst outcome at this point that one can imagine.

And what would it mean for him to use trump at this summit? What would that look like? Well, it can work to stand there and pump the president's hand and smile broadly for the cameras and turn around and offer him nothing more than anything previous north korean Leader- had offered the president and perhaps even less and basically say to the president- you ve now recognised. As a fellow leader of a nuclear state- and this is now they were going to do business? I think that would be extremely antagonistic and would probably make the President feel like he had been sluggard and it is hard to imagine him reacting well, do something like that. So present trump now infamously said that He would have a feel within the first minute for how this summit was gonna go and whether or not

was compatible with. Can with that in mind, will you be looking for them? I cannot give you an early sense of how things are gonna play out, where I would look at the handshake itself. If you recall in a very famous case, when from first met the President of France a manual my crawl, they had this almost death grip of a handshake where macro who had- in brief in advance about how Donald Trump likes to grab a person's hand Mallette and pump it in such a way that puts that person on the defensive but crowded. Let that happen at the time. A lot of us, This bodes ill for the relationship between the two men, but I think in the end, it turned out to be the opposite. Think trump. In some ways, maybe quietly admired MC crawl for rising to the occasion like that for showing you wasn't gonna be bullied, though, I think it would be interesting to watch the body language of Trump.

Ten will Kim energetically grabbed the presence hand, or will he allowed himself to be manhandled? Will he approached the president in a shy or somewhat intimidated manner, or will he stride right up to him if you look at his body language when he met the south korean President Moon. He was very self confident he walked in a kind of a loose limbs style. He smiled a lot. He made that unforgettable gesture of asking the south korean present to step back across the border into North Korea. If we see the same sort of behaviour with Donald Trump, I think Donald Trump will appreciate it and I think that could get things off on the right. Foot trump likes people who are willing to engage with him

and show a little humour show a little willingness to be off the cuff to be improvisational. In short, the qualities he life in himself, I dont want to over state this there's a lot how came you tell them, we don't understand and he has a pretty horrifying track record in his own country. So he is a very different create even and Donald Trump, but I do think that, if Kim projects confidence, it might have the effect of making Trump feel more comfortable, cutting a deal with this guy, for the simple reason that he actually believes this guy can deliver he's not going to read in three months that the guy's been sidelined or he's being pushed out by other forces. He'll feel like you do

with a guy he knows is in control is going to be in control and so he's a reliable partner reign, in other words, he's a formidable negotiating partner. Just the way trumps himself exactly, We will talk to you in a few hours once this someone is under way and I hope that you do finally get some sleep. Thank you, Michael look at cures toxin. I take a bite, we'll be right back as a surgeon and present of Howard, University, Doktor Wayne Frederick, believes even are tough. His times can lead to strength and change. This is a difficult stormy do it, but it was strengthened in a way that no clash of electricity could ever have. I'm only shipper host of the past have made all the difference. I talk to it

rivers about how their managing the current moment and charging a course for the future, find that made the difference anywhere. You get your podcast created by Bank of America, ILO, hey, it's Michael they. How are you good good any sleep. I would fain have ours. Oh that's good! Now, I'm ok, ok fringe of it. It's ten tween on the morning in Singapore, and this handshake has just happened. History has been made give us the seeing their work well in the minutes, leading up to nine o clock. You had to motorcades converging on this. Only you style hotel on than island. At about eight fifty nine, the two leaders locked horde of one

into a sort of an open verandah like bay and walk in front of a wall of american and north korean flag, which were standing on a riser behind the leaders as they walked on a red carpet. As the two men converge, they shook hands and present front, as he often does reached out with his other hand and class. Mr Kim's elbow the two men then turn to face the cameras.

Neither of them smiled in fact or faces. I think it can fairly be sad, were somber and perhaps a little bit nervous as well, though afterward as the two men turned to walk out of the veranda space and toward their first meeting president from again reached out and suddenly guided chairman Kim, by putting his hand on his elbow and for the first time in the morning, came face broke into a smile, and it was that moment. I think that broke the initial tension between you told us that you didn't looking very closely at this handshake. It looked to me like a very firm handshake. Yes, I think they both wanted to look like they were being firm and robust, but it didn't have the fight to the death quality that from first handshake with a manual macro France had it fell to me like a real,

Fifty fifty kind of exercise, perhaps with a slight advantage on Donald Trump Card, because, as I said, he was able to reach out and put his hand on Kim's elbow, though in a very subtle way in the dynamics of personal interaction. President Trump looked like he was the senior partner German. Can you know, by contrast, was carrying a pair of reading glasses, which he sort of fidgeted within fiddled with with his hands, and I think somehow, the effective that was to make him look like the more contemplative figure. While present tromp was perhaps more than take charge figure. So if you present Trump and your judging this thing on first minute, which dont from says he is what are you making of this? Well, I think that Kim Jong on certainly radiated a sense of being receptive.

He didn't do any of the things that you might expect a leader to do who wanted to project any resistance. He didn't cross his arms. You know you seem very open to the president he crack the smile periodically. So if your president tromp you might conclude on the basis of the first minute or two that you know, this is a guy who perhaps I can establish the report. With and what happens after those first couple of minutes where the two gentlemen sit down, and gauge in something called a pool spray. Witches hammer, man and reporters and found men holding boom MIKE, come in and try to catch a few free it is for me to the leader and Trump gave the kind of remark we ve heard from him really hungry The time success. He said, I feel really great. You will

him then followed him. He spoke, of course, and korean, and he offered a very good. Kind of how he said. Well, it was not easy to get here. The past had placed many obstacles. Norway, we move, but we over all of them, so that was basically the opening line from each other. Gentlemen. Trumped then turned to the cameras and said: thank you very much, and the press was hustled out of the room It was him who chose the more kind of historically minded language, yes and came also, who struck the more handed note, I mean came, who acknowledge that the path

it was difficult- and there were many reasons why this meeting took so many decades to happen? after this one on one meeting concluded, they then sat down at a longer table across from each other and flanked by senior. And again, there are usually very brief remark by the two leaders. As they start, who until this point has been unable to start working together, we will get it taken care of The cameras and the journalists are excused from the room, and they get down to this. It has been

so far. A rigorously scripted event and people are sticking to the clock. The big question I think people have is: will there be some unseen your surprise. Will the two leaders perhaps go for a walk on the grounds of this very beautiful hotel? Where their meeting will the two leaders grab a little bit more time on their own, and we may be able to form some judgments about how productive the encounter is. And by how long? These gentlemen are willing to hang out with one another It was one more thing I want to ask you about. Time since we last spoke- and you told us about Kim jong- earns nightlife there in Singapore, the north korean state newspapers have been published and the front page. Is this elaborate spread, of big color images of Kim on this tour. Being

followed around and looking very important and pleased? Might that explain why he was out and about on the town for the message that it would send back home to North Koreans? I think there's a lot too that I think that by going out and being seen in these public places in this relax, setting Kim is projecting a sense of confidence, a sense that he knows how to carry himself on the world stage and that's an extremely important message to send home to his people. It makes them probably feel proud that they have a leader who is able to do this and as

said before, it's an interesting contrast to Donald Trump, who actually decided to take an extremely low profile. I think that when this is all over people here in Singapore will remember Kim Jong Nuns performance, Donald Trump came and went without making much of an impact. Is that symbolic that kin is there for the images and Trump is there to get a deal? Is I think the trump is also there for the image it, but I don't think so feel any pressure to prove himself to an american audience in terms of his ability to carry himself internationally for him. The mere fact of the meeting the image of these two

gentlemen standing in front of a wall of North Korean, an american flags. That's already the whole ball game for Kim, and I think it's worth noting sort apparent that that the display of flags with no doubt something negotiated quite actively between the two sides, and it is something that must have been very gratifying for Kim German to see the north korean flag. You know on an equal plane with the: U S flag, it sort of drove homes symbolically, why this summit is so valuable? Forgive you typically see this this. Of the stars and stripes next to the flag of a foreign country and it instantly confers a level of legitimacy and sovereignty on the other country and for North Korea, a country whose very existence has sometimes been seen in question. That's a huge validation, and so I think for Kim Jong on that. In addition,

the handshake. You know made this trip well worth taking Thank you. Thank you very much, Michael so we're shining? A very important document the comprehensive document and we ve had a really great term together a great relationship on Tuesday morning after more than four hours of meetings in Singapore President Trump and Chairman Kim signed an agreement setting the path for for the DE nuclear rotation of North Korea half of german Kim and myself, and were both very honoured to sign the document that you would you like to see the absurdity

on the other. I get it. We have a historic meeting and decided to leave the palace, behind, and we are about to sign a historic document. She's dead, You will see a major change even today. There is a lot of energy like to express my gratitude to president from to make this meeting happen. Thank you ok,

A few hours later, Trump held unused in France president did meeting first between an american president. Any leader of North Korea proves that real changes indeed possible. My me with german Kim was honest, direct and productive get to know each other well in a very confine period of time a very strong, strong circumstance, we are prepared to start a new history and we're ready to write a new chapter between our nations. The past does not have to define the future yesterday's cod like does not have to be to me: rose war and as Austria has proven over and over again Adversaries can indeed become friends. We can honour this

advice of our forefathers by replacing the horrors of battle with the blessings of peace and that's what we doing. That's what we have done after the news conference the president boarded air force, one for a flight back to the? U S Here's what else you need today on Monday evening Cream court upheld the state of a aggressive efforts to purge its voting rules in a five to four ruling the coup it said that Ohio can continue to remove people from voting registries if these skipper few elections and fail to respond to a public notice from state officials,

opponents of the Ohio law said it disproportionately affected poor and minority voters and results, but in the removal of far more democratic voters than Republicans, but the justice has found that the Ohio system was a legitimate way to update to remove those who moved or die. That's it for the daily. I Michael Barbaro, suitable Do you avoid, problems and shy away from a debate. Do you think uncertainty limits potential? Neither do we have a university of Chicago Booth, school of business. We believe in asking questions and questioning answers

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