It wasn t until I heard of a man by the name of Bernie, Sanders began to question and sir and recognize my inherent value as a human being that deserves healthcare, housing, education and a living wage from new times unworkable borrow this today, every body is listen to the largest crowd of his campaign. Yet around in New York City last weekend

when, when his canvas may be at its most vulnerable. Whose cramped raising of fraud question. The leaders of the Democratic Party is the loyal, of Sandra supporters to the party or just tell me why you want everyone. You It's Friday, Otto between them, I am a producer- the New York Times a gigantic, and I ask you a few questions outskirts, do something over different here. My colleague daily producer, Jessica, Chung, into this Bernie Sanders rally over the weekend in Queens Network and she reported everything that you heard,

what brought you will bring me, I'm a huge Bernie ban. I've always supported in bringing even before I can vote and it fell to her, and I felt ass, though she had really picked the right Bernie Sanders rally to attend if you're going to attend just one. She really did this came at a huge moment for the centres campaign. It was a huge task for this Andrews campaign. We got a pearl for twenty thousand people, and we have to close the doors. It has been a tough stretch for Bernie Sanders. He had heart attack. He was off the trail for a couple weeks ahead of this rally, with the exception of the debate in Ohio, before the heart attack. The race was showing signs of becoming really a two candidate contest between Elizabeth, worn and Joe by and Sanders was really struggle. To show that he still had a path to win this thing not just to be relevant, but to win this thing

and so these forces really converge in queens. I want you all to take a look around and find someone you don't know. Maybe somebody doesn't look kind of like you. Maybe somebody might be about different religion than you. Maybe they come from a different country. My question now to you is you willing to fight for that person who you don't even know as much you're willing to fight and he delivers a speech that is in most respects not dramatically groundbreaking. It's about the big ideas of his campaign

today in America, have all of our population is living pay check to pay trick struggling to pay their runs, their mortgages there like girl or fix their call, Mama inequality, Medicare for all corruption in Washington and on Wall Street, but he rules out one of the biggest endorsements. A progressive candidate can Gatorade representative. Sandro Cassio cartels and delivers his message with a force that is intended to really convey the idea that burn his back In fact, I think he says to put it one way back, I'm done which is an acknowledgement, of course, that he needs a comic right.

He has really resisted the idea that he has fallen behind in this race, but is manifestly clear that he has from his body language from his rhetoric from the way his campaign is now approaching. The early states and big events like this one. Clear that they know he doesn't work. I am more than ready to us, so the office up of the United States and because this campaign is at this pivotal, he wanted to better understand his supporters in the nature of his support. What somebody who shows up at a Bernie Sanders rally-

thinks about centres, how they talk about him and what that means for the democratic primary, so that suggested it ended up asking voters about, and so I want to play that what about you make fake ferny is the true progressive. The only true progressive running in the re Bernie doesn't say: leave it to me. Bernie says: come with me: we must join forces to the eight the fundamental changes required in this society. You will get Bernie record burn, he's been just saying. The same things is pretty much like the sixties or whenever he came into public office and its ideas. Yes, how the aid is inciting now, there's a lot of people that are like jumping onto the bandwagon, and so I really just think it's the strength. The burning sanders in his platform he's a profit.

He knows the way forward. What you hear there is just the extraordinary stature that Sanders commands on the left, the real fruits of that campaign that he ran and twenty five ten twenty. Sixteen, when he got out there into an ideological space that other Democrats were just not comfortable enter and ran and insurgent campaign against the party establishment in a way that most Democrats had really never seen before. So you know, I think you rarely her. Candidates referred to as as profits even stopping short of that sort of clause. I religious language, the depth of commitment to Bernie Sanders among his supporters probably exceeds the bond that any other candidate in a race has, with their vote any greater, even then trump or even greater, even than anyone on the democratically. On a democratic side, I should say it is probably closer to trump than to any of the other Democrats. Let fastened but I mean at the end of the day, a vote is a vote. Now

or how enthusiastically someone casts right. So I wonder what this kind of next level devotion means for his candidacy. Well, it has meant that even in what was a very little Summer for him just a challenge. Political time where he was being eclipsed by another candidate on the left, Elizabeth Warren, he has never really been at risk of being irrelevant and they re of being truly sideline, because right now it looks like anywhere between ten and seventeen or eighteen percent of the Democratic Party is very very tightly bonded to Bernie Sanders and that one out of five Democrats wonderful on a good day closer to one or two ten on a bad day, but still on his worst he's got more support in the party, then every other candidate race

except for Joe Biden and Elizabeth WAR, and that's a pretty good place to be, and his support is different from any other candidate in the race is particularly strong among young people that there's the irony of the Bernie Sanders campaign. The guy would be the oldest president, ever the oldest handedness race, his strongest age group, is the youngest age group in the democratic electoral. What has also meant is that he has this incredible flow of cash into his campaign, almost irrespective of whatever else is happening in this race. He has a small donor online, fundraising machine that has collected tens. Millions of dollars were him every quarter that he has been in this race and in the most reason quarter. He was the number one fundraiser in the democratic field. That's an extraordinary thing to say about a candidate who isn't running a super pack, isn't

holding conventional big donor events and is running on democratic socialism. That he's the best funded candidate in a race, so his fund raising is outpacing is pulling which correct me. If I'm wrong is quite unusual in politics right and you sickly. Only see it when you have these candidates, who have a limited, bought unbelievably passionate base of support in a week. Just one analogue, for this might be the wrong Paul campaign in twenty twelve, where he was a more marginal candidate in republican Party. There is never a realistic chance. It's gonna, be the nominee, but his support was so intense it online fund raising just sustained him in a way that other candidates couldn't dream up Bernie Sanders has a broader appeal than that and his fundraising is much more robust, so it feels like Bernie Sanders is kind of a test case for why genuine enthuse. Some matters so much in politics. His support are willing to do things for him that other Canada

quarters may not be right that he is going to have an easier time. Stew, financially competitive, mobilizing volunteers and especially in some of these early voting, cold wet. States in February getting them to actually show up and cautious, and I were in a blizzard if necessary, nailed it they'll. Do it so thing that just as voters about at the center, I was this heart attack that centres had a couple weeks ago. This is its first rally sense. He just came back heart attack. I wonder if you think that that makes him less electable and anyway, I don't think age matters. I think that's stupid, I don't know idea, care about that, no because it came back stronger and it was a routine pussy. That many people go through. I know a lot of people that have had stands put in and then felt better afterwards than before

if you look great so ominous thick with them, the curious thing is that Bernie having undergone this procedure may feel like a hundred and ten percent better than he did before. The amount of literal blood flowing to his heart may give him a level of energy and amateur that he didn't feel before he underwent the procedure. I dont think that our current president has I hope so. Why are we worried so much about a heart attack that wasn't? You know a big deal? You went right back into it afterwards worsening claims and had the same operation done in their sixty is pushing me I mean, I don't know, I'm not thinking, there's a pretty heavy bias against Bernie Sanders goods is a fairly unique candidate like Joe by I exploded, while we're all watching a debate, and they didn't single him out with a question like hey Joe, like ride your eye explode like. Is it going to happen again?

did. I miss something did Joe Biden. I suffer some kind of explosion. There was a CNN town Hall where he had a some kind of burst capillary in his eye, or anything like that. It was unsightly, but something did happen automatically seriously. So, in summary, it feels like Sanders supporters in this crowd. They are not concerned about this heart attack and I wonder what you think of the way it was discussed. I think, right after the heart attack happened, there was the moment of questioning would Sanders persist in this race, with his health become the defined the issue of his candidacy and at least for his supporters, the all those things is now they are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on so much, and his physical health is not an exception to that? I think your people giving rationalizations it's true that Bill Clinton had a somewhat operation was after he was a present united.

The reality, is a candidate having a heart attack is a really big deal and is weekly by any standard of political cover, It is more than in bounds as a subject for scrutiny and for voters to consider. We ve never had a president turn eighty in office before we have two candidates in the race to the top, candidates into this race would turn eighty in their first term as president. If they were elected people remember, I think, pretty well. Hillary Clinton fainting at the nine eleven memorial in the middle of the general election in one s, extension ammonia. She has pneumonia and you know the Clinton campaign, I think, is still quite a resentful of the way that was covered but again The collapsing in the middle of a general action is irrelevant subject for coverage. President trumps, lack of transparency about his health has been a huge subject. For coverage over the last few years as enormous suspicion about whether we really know everything we deserve to know about the President's health. So this is Bias against Bernie Sanders, but the fact that people are inclined to see it as by

against Bernie Sanders again scores the strength of his support. So you mentioned Hillary Clinton and twenty sixteen Jessica encountered a lot of supporters who very much wanted to go back to that race and talk about what happened the last time round, and I wanna play some of that. We need, for example, The elected this time around the DMZ screwed him over into that sixteen he was robbed the nomination, so people people want Bernie. I think it's a race. We need you to having twenty steam, I think, there's a populist field going on the elite. Certain are destroying the country and and the Democrats lost, because we ran in the latest and now it's time to run a candidate with multi racial working class coalition Democrats. Or does this prompt us Republicans, because there is evidence that did screw with caucuses that in Seattle she won by it

inside, but the delegates voted for Hilary, so out, would you make of that? I think there are a lot of myths but the role of the Dnc and twenty sixteen. But the valid core norm. All of that the sense among Santer Supporters- and this is really not up for debate- that the Democratic Party establishment everything they could to give Hillary Clinton advantage over him, that primary, remind us of just so. We can have an end you had everyone at the top of. Party, including President Obama, do what they could to clear the field for Hillary Clinton. You had the leadership of the party in both houses of Congress, try to clear the way for Hillary Clinton. You had other kinds, coordination between party officials who were supposed to be neutral, who are ostensibly neutral and leaders of the Clinton campaign in ways that none of it was illegal and none of it was

side of the american political tradition, but if you're a Bernie Sanders supporter- and you looked at- and you felt like there ought to be an even playing field in this race. There wasn't I want That makes a Bernie Sanders supporter relate to the Democratic Party, especially if Sanders starts to falter. This is one of the trumpiest things about Bernie Sanders and his political movement that in twenty fifteen two thousand and sixteen one of the best predictors of support for Donald Trump in there in primary was dislike for the republican Party. He is obviously now come to embody the Republican Party, so that dynamic has changed, but you have a lot of people in the Democratic Party or on the left, who are democratic, Mary voters supporting Bernie Sanders and do not like the Democratic Party really frustrates? or mainline democrats that they feel like Ernie's. This interval for who is so

rousing the laughed against the only party that really speaks to them, but if you are a Bernie Sanders supporter, you look at the traditional Democrat party establishment as a collection of people and ideas that have failed, and what about the cantons, while that is one of the great cos. Of this rice. If Bernie is not the nominee, whether his course, borders will embrace the candidate with similar enthusiasm or their back, this pat cast, is supported by a trade trading, isn't for everyone, but he trade is whether it saving for a rainy day or your retirement e trade. Has you covered? They can help. You check financials off your list and with a team of professionals giving you support when you need it, you can be confident that your money is working hard for you get more than just trading with

Aid to get started visit each dot com, such podcast for more information, each trade, Securities, LLC member fin raw as Ipc one of a cannon Elizabeth Warrant is very similar policy position. She's off, Evelyn role populous. I wonder why, Secondly, your support for burning, relevant Warren calls yourself. A capitalist and she's not out for a political revolution, is taking all burmese policies and how to putting a spin on it, and it's like. Do you have any original ideas and if she believed in these things, why wasn't she supporting them four years ago? I think Medicare, for all is a big one. I don't know if I

dressbarn, she said she's for it, but it took her a long time to get there any of Warren used to be republican. Warren used to be a Republican. She was a republican, and so like Elizabeth Warren, I feel like it's just a watered down form of Bernie to try to make her more appealing, but the second primaries over she's just going to pit it Look, that's really striking she's not been a Republican, since I was in primary school, which was while ago, but the fact that Sandra supporters have lapsed. To that in the way they have, I think, reflects just the gap in trust between they feel that burning and how they feel about almost literally any other politicians. Certainly any other politician running for president. It still feels surprising to hear Sanders supporters attempt to differentiate a democrat

rival, who on paper is so ideologically similar. I think there are some important ideological distinctions, at least in the abstract, that I think and Elizabeth Warrens ideal world? We would be a hand We regulated heavily enforced free market economy that it would be, something similar to after Teddy Roosevelt Kind of regulatory regime, Bernie Sanders, Would, I think, in his ideal world, have us much closer to a sort of and an avian social democracy, which is a really fundamentally front way of approaching government, and part of this is a dynamic that happen in primaries generally that the candidates who are ideologically cod since together can end up having the most sort of intense hostility tween their supporters because they feel like only one of these people can emerge from this and there right there is, I think, also of level of seeing the trees, but not the forest. Here, where

you have the number two. A number three candidates in this democratic primary if they were nominated, would be the most liberal nominee in certainly, lifetime lifetimes a good deal longer than mine as well, so the level of forestry does seem from out of proportion to what the outside of an Elizabeth wore a nomination, would be so ass to your point, but the forest for the trees. Jes asked a lot Voters, if Santer doesn't win, are you in voting for anybody else in the party who becomes an almond innocent people set, and who is your second, Elizabeth. Why aren't you can't make it I'm happy with listen if either with warrant or Bernie Sanders. When the nomination, I would be so happy, and I think it would be again a sign of how much the Democratic Party is shifting. I do likewise with horns policies and like if Elizabeth and is the nominee like happily vote for her. So a lot of them too.

Their scepticism of war and say, if I had to, I would vote for it. With one, but then there were several voters who said They would be very hard pressed to turn out for anyone. Who wasn't Bernie or what they consider to be kind of where he laid, which is one more so am I like lose warring. I think she's, probably on the other candidate. I would ever even consider supporting the rest of em. I find to be rather embarrassing lesson Burning, who was I wouldn't, I would probably vote for Elizabeth if she was candidate, I wouldn't open by them. That's really interesting It really is- and I guess, as they say in the Senate, I should revise and extend what I said about people missing before that you do here people there for recognising that the party as a whole has moved. There are candid besides Bernie, although,

clearly any one else to be the second best choice in this race for them. But I think what you heard is how hard it will be for a candidate who is not an economic populist to speak to this set of voters that if you end up with a candidate who is an avowed centrist or a nominee, who has repudiated what Bernie Sanders stands for, hasn't just revised or watered down his views, but has rejected them and act them. That's gonna be a real challenge in the general election. I think one of the calculations are Democrats have traditionally made certainly made in twenty. Sixteen, as at the left, will come home at the end of the day, and I think you saw in twenty sixteen that was a risky back to make right and in that was a better. Just did not come true, because when Santer supporters were asked to support Hillary Clinton. Many of them did not in fact, as we know from times analysis a meaningful number of them voted for Trump in between

fifteen primary wasn't as liberals who voted for standards in a democratic primary. There were people who were just sort of disaffected and outside the system, people who wanted a populist, not less early. Somebody who is an ideological liberal, as we traditionally think of its people, who just like Hillary Clinton and then in a general election or people who were Democrats who just weren't enthusiastic, they would have turned out to vote for Bernie Sanders would have volunteered for Bernie Sanders would have donated Bernie Sanders, and when you start to look at the margins of defeat for Hillary Clinton in the states that made the difference was caught in Michigan Pennsylvania. Could democratic enthusiasm have turned out an additional seventy thousand voters very possible not to be too script, but based on everything you're saying if Joe Biden is the nominee, it will be. A challenge may be significant challenge for this group of voters to be won over and transferred to him. If it is

with Warren. That will be more logical, although it will not necessarily be seamless, I think that's probably a safe bet, and if your Joe Biden, you know, maybe can bring these people around? Maybe you need to make up for a lot. Enthusiasm on the left, by winning over voters closer to the political metal, even folks on the centre. Right, that's clearly a bet that candidates like Joe Biden or making that if Bernie has his populist following that would be much more enthusiastic about him, then about me. Well, I have moderates who will never vote for a democratic socialist, but who I can turn out in agenda election and in a lot of ways. This is the big strategic debate in the Democratic Party right now we ve talked a lot about the ideological and policy debates in the party, but for two fundamental to the democratic race. Right now is Are you better off trying to marshal a really enthusiastic and diverse coalition on the left or a more ideologically diverse coalition? That is some

What less rely on liberal enthusiasm for whoever the nominee is in this election and, I think, probably, and most elections going forward. Just given the ideological and demographic trajectory of the Democratic Party and the country, it's going to be a recurring challenge for them. How do you harness what Bernie Sanders has created, while also I broadly to the voters that you need in order to capture the nomination, because centres is not actually doing that right now, and when a general election, which tenders has never had the chance to try to do it's a particularly important question when you look to the future, the Democratic Party, if you were to sort of make about right now about the trajectory of that party over the next few years. It will probably look more and more like the Bernie Andrews beta and less and less like the coalition that defeated him in twenty. Sixteen give the party stays on its current course, and this is a

voters. That is very much here to stay, and the question is They stay as engaged enthusiastic Democrats right order. They basically start and finish their political journey with Bernie Sanders in a way that doesn't really help the party become passionate lifelong democratic voters, volunteers, donors, or do they go back to being either casual, engage with politics or disengaged entirely or really were disgusted with the party, as they were entwined sixteen Alex. Thank you very much. Thank you all the way back.

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