From the New York Times. Unworkable borrow this they'll today, even as well known, democratic lawmakers fail to qualify for tonight's debate Andrew Yang did Kevin words what has made Yanks campaign so compelling it's Thursday September. Twelve, Given tell me how you know Andrea I met Andrey adding a few years,

ago when he was running. This organisation called venture for America, which he had had a couple careers. He was corporate lawyer did some start ups. He actually sold one of his start ups and made a decent check of money from that, and then he was trying to do. This thing were hued essentially turn like recent college graduates into entrepreneurs set them up with some money and supporting them as they went off and start Companies has other teach for America for business. Exactly that's. I think the pitch that he made in so I was covering technology at the time we talked about venture for America and I find it interesting, but really, although newsworthy at an end up writing about it, but we kept in touch and then in a heap milled me serve out of the blue in October of twenty seventeen, and it was a very cryptic email. He just said like: let's get together, I've got a story to tell you, unlike at or not

I like to go on goose chases, so I invited him out. We went to Dean and De Luca right downstairs from the Times building and he told me that he was planning to run for president and at first I was very clear. Is a slick president of the food co up like that. The Homeowners Association like what could you possibly mean by running for president? You know he's never held political office, but or I didn't even know. He was particularly interested in politics. And he says no, no, like I'm for real running for president in twenty twenty as a Democrat against Donald Trump. This is not a joke or a stunt and he's written this book talking about some of the big ideas of his campaign and the kind of forgot about him for a few months, and then he came back one day in twenty eighteen and said: hey, I finally

paperwork and I've got my first campaign, video, hello, I'm Andrew Yang and I'm running for president. As a democrat and twenty twenty I saw, I watch the video it was. It was like interesting. It was kind of home made, it was not particularly Hi budget we are experiencing the greatest technological and economic shift in human history. It was obviously him talking about is central message of his campaign. I came to realize that technology has already wiped out four million manufacturing jobs in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and other states and is about to do the same thing to people who work in retail food service in food. Prep customer service transportation and I thought of this sort of interesting- I hadn't heard president

Canada talk about issues like a high and automation and certainly not like make it the centrepiece their campaign, and so I was intrigued. I mean here is a guy who was talking about an issue that you hear about a lot in Silicon Valley, but it hadn't really become a means stream concern yet and so, I wrote this story, I called him a longer than long shot candidate, which I thought I was kind of being generous at that point, and then I kind of expect that he would sort of fade away into obscurity and that I'm probably wouldn't write about him again and it turned out. You were kind of wrong. I was a little bit wrong Please welcome Andrea. I would like to welcome you crooked media, each for you and your Yang the supporters call themselves the Yang gang. They can't power, pointed ears rallies and where ball caps with em

t age on the wrong for Make America thing Carter of all the candidates I've seen on the trail, you seem to be having the most fun. Are you also very low bar you however, one candidate, who will perhaps be a surprise on the stage for the next month's debates and entrepreneurs Andrew Yang, who made the cut ahead of several other Democrats with far more experience Are you sure you ask your? U S got even, so I wanted to catch up,

with the young again is. Obviously his situation has changed quite a bit since our first meeting in Indiana De Luca make urban how I am doing great. So I flew to Houston where he was spending the weak preparing for the presidential debate. Things are a little differently and he pulls up in his big suv with him. Campaign staff trailing behind him, and now you ve got in our travel with an entourage began to earlier in the debates you ve probably got you know armor Suv out there waiting warriors rented, it hurts. And we sit down for this interview, and I asked him straight up like where did I go wrong like? What did I miss here in what I say? I think what people mist and unfortunately Democrats are still struggling pick up on, this is a genuine explanation for why Donald Trump one in twenty sixteen, where, if you

and on cable news. The message seems to suggest that he's our president, because of some combination of Russia, racism, Facebook, FBI, Hillary Clinton, emails and severely all right. I guess that's why, but numbers and I'm a numbers guy. The numbers tell a very clear and distinct that the reason why he's our president is that we automated away four million manufacturing jobs in your home state of Ohio Albania Wisconsin Missouri, Michigan, all the swing states he needed to win, he sort of said. Well, you know it's not actually that hard to understand you don't need to know. A lot about computer programming, artificial intelligence to grasp the technology is having a huge influence on the labour market and the workforce. Is you don't need to be into technology to see the self served, Jaska, Mcdonald's or at the airport or at the sea, vs headache of other places

frequent, so young diagnosis of the Trump election and by extension, what's going on in this country, is: it stems mainly from technology from automation, basically knocking people out of their jobs, and that his candidacy is compelling and his opinion, because it directly conference that right- and I think a few One thing about Andrey Yang over the course of his presidential campaign, it's probably related to his idea for what's called universal basic income, universal basic income or what ivory where the freedom dividend, because a test better is logical, next step, which is why so universal basic income is not a new idea. It's really an idea that goes back decades, where, if we put money into people's hands, it has so many positive effects, because it would create hundreds of thousands of jobs around America, but it also wrecking

the kind of work my wife does, whose at home with our two boys, one of whom is artistic and the basic idea- is every american adult gets a thousand dollars a month in cash, no strings attached. Doesn't matter. If you billion air or your unemployed. You get this a thousand dollars a month regardless and has paid for so he's proposing the pay Borat through, what's called a value added tax, which is you know, kind of european style tax that he thinks would most directly tax. The companies that are profiting from automation and how exactly does that solve for the problem he diagnosed of Automation and consequences will he believes that it does not solve the problem of automation, but it does give people a cushion. So if you lose your job, because your company decides to replace you with

hey, I having a thousand dollars a month will allow you to meet your most basic needs, while you figure out what to do next. While you look for new job, learn a new skill go back to school, basically that having a thousand dollars a month guaranteed as the floor would make it easier for people to adapt to this sort of unprecedented technical. Chicle change, and he uses this example of a truck driver. So if you're a trucker making fifty thousand dollars a year and then a robot truck comes and takes it job now you are worth zero, so truckers in obviously are threatened by automation. If self driving trucks come onto the roads, millions of people, woods, and to lose their jobs as a result and those people wouldn't just be able to immediate. We find something else that paid them as well as trucking that was suited to their skills like a lot of them, would need some time to figure out how to adjust and what to do next and to make that.

This year. We would give them and everyone else a thousand hours about thing. I mean it's, not twelve thousand dollars a year is not enough to live on, but it is enough to have served as a as a net so that they're not experiencing the most extreme. Financial hardship. Where does Yang say that we are in this process of automation, so he thinks we basically only seen the tip of the iceberg. He you know sites these studies from think tanks and academics. It say one out of three or one out of four jobs in America could be a risk of automation within the next decade and he's sort of using that to predict a mass unemployment crisis. He's not saying you know. This is gonna, be tough for a few people a few people are going to have to find new jobs, and this is really about Milly and and millions of people being automated out of work. It's going to zero out. Not just the truckers are the warehouse, elvers or the retail workers. I was an unhappy corporate iter.

For five months, which is long enough to know that I can do that. Job can edit contracts more quickly and accurately and in pensively them smartest human liar, and why? Yes, why two thousand dollars a month to people and not what we hear most candidates in want of policymakers talking about when it comes to automation, witches retrain workers whose skills have been supplanted by technology. What Yang talks about this a lot? He believes that, basically, that recycling Prague, and don't work. When I dug into the studies around the retraining programmes for displaced manufacturing workers in Ohio in Michigan, you found abysmal success rates of those programmes that we're federalist did the success rates covered between zero and fifteen percent? Generally, half of those workers left the workforce and never worked again and of that group have been found for disabled

the and you then sausages and suicides and drug overdoses in those communities. To the point where in our life expectancy has declined, for the last three years in a row. So if you say as a politician Didn't we train everyone, and then you come with me to the truck stop and you actually have a clipboard and say who here wants to be retrained? You will see how Domini idea, that is in real life in many many contexts and then, as I feel retailers, will there some interesting studies about these retraining programmes. I mean I, I would say that they dont work, but they are definitely not the cure. All I mean they're Benson estimates that only a sort of one out of four people can be retrained profitably by the private sector that essentially, the government has play some major role in trying to help people transition out of their old jobs in into something new, and what is it that having one thousand dollars a month would allow these people to do? Let's take the trucker the in a fifty year, old trucker loses his job, probably

he too Automation now a thousand dollars a month shows up in his mailbox. What, in your mind, does that allow him to do that? He could otherwise do so. First, when you're, looking at something like tracking the thousand dollars a month is not enough, but I've been giving their freedom given that, as you know, to several families around the country right now, last number of months, I just saw one of the recipients colleague Kristensen in Iowa, so Kyle is living in our falls Iowa with his ailing mom, whose recovering from cancer so he's. Getting a thousand bucks a month from me for a number of months. I just saw him. A few weeks ago in Iowa, and he seemed like a different person and he can and he said I used some of the dividend on a guitar and I've been playing shows for the first time in years and this band that wants me to perform with them next week and he was so proud and

You mean when he told me this. The thousand dollars a month is in many ways about everything, but the money, it's about our humanity and what we would actually value its car repairs, going from a crisis to an inconvenience, its homework and going back to school. So when you translate what the money means in people's lives, it means the things that make us human rights, and whose argument is essentially that this would radically reshape society, though, if we want,

We had an economy that was based upon making us happy than we would do this yesterday. Clearly, let's imagine I am president. Twenty twenty one freedom dividend goes out: there's a town, a ten thousand people in Missouri. So that means is another ten million dollars in spending power every month and then one person there besides to open a bakery which might have been a really dumb idea before the freedom dividend. But now it's a good idea. They open a bakery. It sells muffins people like the muffins, where they are cheaper ways to get those muffins to those people. Probably yes, you like is them off his though new bakery, like somewhat economically inefficient, perhaps but doesn't make the community have, he doesn't make the bakers happy, doesn't make everyone slife better, despite its economic imperfections. Yes, so that is the vision of the economy we have to move towards. That certainly applies to creative and artistic and cultural endeavours. To and the way it is talk, mattered is essentially as something

we can change the way we value work in the first place, so he brings up the example of GDP gross domestic product, which is to serve and mark measurement. We used to determine how well the economies do productivity productivity essentially, and he thinks that's the wrong measurement, and so the goal should be to try and optimize, not for this GDP measurement or stock market profitability and prices that should be to optimize for how we're doing our health, our mental health Our childhood success rates how cleaner air and water are, and if we had those as goals, then we could harness our energies towards actually trying to improve our lives Instead of improving the bottom line of a company that is just going to proceed to

domain, more and more work as its able to, and I think one of the biggest misconceptions around me in the campaign and the freedom dividend that people think it somehow going to mitigate work. It will not. It will recognise the kind of work that so many of us are doing and want to do. It will create more opportunities for the most human centred work that carrying the nursery. The artistic, the entrepreneurial aspirations. Does the question is: what do we mean by work. I know my wife is working harder than I am in own. I'm money for, didn't and right now the market by her work at zero. So we have to think big By what we mean by work in value- and if we succeed in that, then we can create a society where more people who are we may be automated out of their jobs, are going to go on, fulfilling wives that their excited about as opposed to right now, we're essentially kicking the moon them to the curb, pushing them into the void and in expecting that to go all right

and I hate to say it, but over time them is us, and so we need to get our act together and wake up to the boy your problems and universal basic income with theoretically make that possible? Here? That's what he's arguing all the way back to between two or cancellations lost, creative gags and shrinking outer avenue. The covered nineteen crisis is making it clear that the system supporting creative people is broken. Patriarch offers a better way. We help creators make up lost revenue and build a more sustainable income source by offering a monthly membership to their fans. In turn, fans get access to it.

Close if community premium contents and the chance to become active participants in the work they love check out, patriarch dot com now and help change. The way art is valued is Maggie Haber men on one of the White House, correspondence for the New York Times and a sometimes daily guest. I remember a time in the spring of twenty seventeen when President Tromp had been trying and failing to get a bill through the house that would repeal President Obama's healthcare bill and I talk to him by phone after asking for time with him, and I tweeted afterwards about how he sounded on that call and very promptly was attacked by the president's critics on the left other times I will be attacked by the president's supporters on the right and it really isn't my job to try to please one side or the other, we're not the Tipp of the spear for any political party or any one view it's our job to do what we can do and the most distilled version of the truth that there is this is we do at the New York Times every day is try to find that most

interpretation of the truth and it requires horses and support and its Wyatt. A vital that people subscribe to the times. Ok, so that's the logic of how this should work if it works according to plan. I or how giving a thousand dollars to every American actually woodwork practically. So there are Yang sceptics out there. There are people who just either don't think this is a good idea. I don't think it's necessary or don't think it would actually work in practice. So I want to ask about that: giving people a thousand dollars a month like this would have unintended consequences mean something would go,

somewhere, maybe it's the landlord start jacking up people's rent by a thousand dollars a month, so the money all ends up going to landlords. Maybe it's that there is inflation, though I have plans and counter measures for those things begin like. How do you imagine government, under a Yang presidency, working to make sure that this actually works is intended that people actually get to go by their guitars and pay there in a car repair bills and pay their medical bills and have the kind of security that they need and that it does not end up just getting taken up by some other part of the economy or first, we need to try and make sure that you don't have rent seeking in encouraging behave

but if you have a passive income of a thousand dollars a month and your landlord tries to stick to your much more portable and hard to push around now because you're like wait a minute, I've got to adults in this house. We got like another two thousand a month coming in on every other. Landlord has done the same thing, but then you get six people together. You say you know we're doing a by that picture upper. I knowed like that that you actually end up turning people into much more flexible decision makers and its I give you two can barely make your months rent, and so you just have to suck up whatever the landlords telling you there are so many positive effects on that side, and one of the comparisons I make is that mature companies like horizon in co, Microsoft, declare dividends all the time and everyone applauds. Management has good work, and you know no one ever asks whether the shareholders gonna do with the money. Are we going to go round like what is this for rising

we're gonna do with the dividend like we better make sure they spend it on the corner court right things is making repairs to his yacht. That is not ok. So when people talk about as like, oh like what are you going to do with our money, your money, like you're in owner and shareholder of the richest country in the history of the world, can easily afford a thousand a month for each person. The problem is that people have frankly, a very paternalistic attitude towards the poor or heads Ike, the sun and if you make a decision and we have to somehow police it like an infant, I mean we're or theirs ridiculous, or they have a cynical view about rents seeking under capitalism that you know, if there's all this extra money floating around that landlords or health care companies or investment banks or some other than the one will come along to try to take that thousands of people are at. Our nations are real, that's for sure, but the one of them Why does dividend so powerful that makes people much harder to exploit if you imagine

waitress at a diner, getting harassed by her boss, and she has no choice but to keep that job to make ends meet she's going a thousand bucks a month. So you can be like you know. What I'm going to quit. Rob and then I'll find another one, and I can survive for a month or two, so it empowers people. It does not make us more subject to preparations. So as I'm listening being taught Thinking that there is the sort of bizarre coexistence in his campaign message of like extreme pessimism and extreme optimism. So his has a mystic part is like he believes that there is essentially this asteroid heading toward earth, right that there are these robots they're coming to take millions of jobs, they're, gonna, creed, mass unemployment, it's gonna be total societal collapse. If we don't do something about it, which is a very bleak vision of the future, that's like the part that sounds kind of excise eye, and then there's this serve extreme optimism that if you just do the thing that he said

If you just give people a thousand dollars a month like humans are creative, they are ambitious like if you just satisfy their needs, they will find amazing things to do. They will start businesses. They will ask surely make the decisions that you would hope they would meet and that humans really are at their core good. I am optimistic about the fact that there is nothing dropping a majority of citizens of a democracy from rewriting the rules of our economy to work for us, the people there There is the shareholders of this country. Does the source of my optimism and in the other thing I'm thinking is like yes like in a vacuum. This makes life sense, but we're not in a vacuum

were in an incredibly polarized political environment, and it's not all about automation, there's a culture war. There are people who believe that immigrants are threatening the future of western civilization and the core of doll. Trumps appeal. A lot of Ben about culture and about values and about identity, and that's the peace that you dont really here Yang talking about his machine? And so I wanted to ask about some of that too. Now I know you you have said over and over again that that the reason that Donald Trump was elected as because we oughta Maynard away these millions of manufacturing jobs in swing states in the MID west. There is also a cultural aspect of this means. That was not the only reason that Donald Trump so I agree: how do you campaign in that environment, while trying to make the story about

jobs and automation and robots and basic income, but knowing that there's this whole other group of people who are motivated by by cultural issues. The fact is, if people feel like their own futures and secure and their kids futures and secure, and then they become more subjects. As you know, phobic appeals to racist appeals. And so, if you are dealing with a society of deprivation than unfortunate, those appeals become more powerful, since not just that people are wrongfully blaming job loss on immigrants when they should be blaming automation. It's that actually. You think that the automation in some ways causes people to be more biased against immigrants. Oh, So the automation until trend take a very long time to train around matter. How please please so, let's take a town in high. Oh that had is playing clothes and thousands of people lost their jobs in the rough, so people are struggling economic.

And then your executive hosting erodes because you're trying to make ends meet and energy function meeting like decision made ability, ass discernment decision, making information, processing, and then you have, on pop on your tv and say, hey, blame immigrants, then you more likely to be a girl, like you know, ass much it that's the main store, you're being told. Studies have shown that if you can't pay your monthly bills, it imposes a mindset of scarcity that constrains your bandwidth and reduces your functional iq by thirteen points. Which is what you expect in a country where seventy eight percent of Americans are living, paycheck, paycheck and almost half can afford an unexpected four hundred dollar bill. So if you want

us to become more reasonable and rational and proactive on things like climate change? Then you would need to lift this mindset of scarcity that is weighing down so many of our people and replace it with at least to some sort of relative abundance, and there is no realistic way to do this, except through something like a base. Income can. Would you make a better service on the face of it? It's compelling, but it's also a kind of confusing what year I mean, I think like too, hammer every problem looks like a nail him. You know too Andrea, like every problem can be explained as a function of from automation and stress, introduced by technology

and solved with Libya and solved with a thousand dollars a month, because he's basically saying that, like yes, like racism, anti immigrant sentiment like gender by assisting their problems, but they're, not the route problem like the route problem is that people are stressed out because their jobs are changing their worried about becoming obsolete. They dont have money to fulfil their basic needs and there really stressed out and then, if you just solve that problem like that, what kind of solve all the rest of the problems too, and so I know how persuasive people are gonna find this, like their alot of people, were stress about paying, rent and they're, not all clamouring for them while at the border, but I think the way that all of this surprised together is part of the reason that I think he's been able to attract and maintain the sort of devoted audience like. I think, when we talked in twenty, seventeen like

This was essentially an argument about economics and labour, and he was essentially approaching this as a math problem. But in the years since then, he's been able to serve turn it into a discussion about what it is. To be a human about what we would do if we so worried about making ends in me, and I think that's the part that I did see when I first met him was that this argument is Sir Wonky Economics argument about automation, and you be I and II dp and all these other three letter acronyms that he could make it appealed, people on an emotional level. My saying this is not just about giving you free money, But instead he's saying like it's not about the money, it's about what the money can allow you to do, and that's the part that I think I missed I've that the more human I am, the better the campaign goes and I enjoy more and people around me enjoy it more

So it's just a win all the way around, and I think you know this about me. It's not like I'm obsessed with becoming president like and are you running for president risk in Romania? I'm running, and everyone knows I'm running, but everyone also knows that I'm not running because of some deep native long standing burning desire to become president of states like I'm I'm running, because we're facing some of the biggest existential problems in our history and our government does not have it shipped together and one of the last questions. We've got a debate coming up in the last I think you may be got like a couple. Questions are off you. He were given a little bit of speaking time, but you didn't get off any you know made for

tv singers suit, like what's your game plan going into this debate? Are you taking a different strategy or you can have gonna try to play the game more in terms of having these these sound bites that are made to be Sir Clifton replayed? It's probably not my interest. A train compete with third, with Joe Biden and Comma Harris for AIR time. I need to make the most of the time that I have, but I am very confident that the air time I have will be improved, four and that if it goes like the last debate in terms of hundreds of thousands or millions of Americans finding out about my campaign and x during the ideas more fully than that's going to be a big one for us and worrying. Thank you for attacking this. I am glad to be able to upgrade you from longer than long shot to medium, longshot, darker, stark or referred to. Dogmatize links on

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