From the New York Times unworkable borrow, this is while some call it the most dangerous place on the planet. When it comes to facing a corona virus outbreak attacked county jail could be a disaster waiting to happen. Across the: U S, the LOS Angeles County, sheriffs departments in Chicago Cook, county jail. Has their New York calls for quick action, growing, louder, jewels and prisons with their cramped quarter. And communal living have become hotbed for the spread of the corona virus. Prisoners are sounding the alarm on the ballooning outbreak riding judges on windows reading help we met and we're dying Bodies, not just

detainees were also figured out wording. We cannot change the fundamental nature of jail. We can not socially distance dozens of elderly man living in a dorm sharing a bathroom think of a cruise ship, recklessly boarding more passengers each day, prompting local governments to take unprecedented step of releasing thousands of inmates. People are confined to their homes, but this pandemic is actually bringing freedom some New York City, immense bird applause and raising the fraud question of who is left out Who remains in custody today, Megan Chewy speaks with our colleague, Allan Foyer about the story of inmate trying to get out of the second largest jail in the country workers Island in New York,

It's Thursday April. Twenty third. So Alan tell me about Mitch Palmer ants so I met Mitch. Palmer ants through his lawyer, Laura arise so and matches fifty four and before the vote, Even landed at Rikers Mitch was already in bad health. In fact, his health was so bad at one point that he had to be transported off the island to a nearby high but all were he underwent surgery to drain fluid from his lungs and so he's been working with lorries lawyer are trying to build a case to get off of Rikers Island imagining army had we recorded three of their. Conversely, since over the course of a week earlier this month. So you know, like I had told you,

little bit about earlier. Regarding today, we were in mine all day for for the right to be heard, but unfortunately, in the core only goes too far. Thirty and they weren't able suit squeeze it down on the calendar. The court system Forget has more or less shot down because of the pandemic right and on the day that we recorded our first call with Mitch. There was indeed a backlog in the court system, and the judge didn't have time to. Here midges case and while matches waiting for the judge to hear his case? What is the situation? MIKE for him inside the jail. I know your sister told me that somebody else in Europe, in your dorm had been taken out. So much is housed in adorn. Rikers, and that means that he lives with a dozen or so in aids in one open room and he tells us lawyer that one per

and in that the worm has tested positive for cope with. Nineteen again the other day, and it turns out that at least one is a carrier for this guy actual although the US will not hamper He actually as these are. They say you can pass it on to the west to last until they took him out today and through a scary. Besides Doin It is also telling his lawyer here that the staff at Rikers hasn't clean the dorm since that person tested positive. So what did they do? They get kept you leave or if you like you- and he had to be cleaner, sanitized anything very clearly that even after the garbage we have gone through all the garbage girl there is a better place they gave us.

The police authorities ago. You wanna tell me what they told us about the form and also that the upshot of this war period they bring itself I mean what we wearing a man for anything all. They gave us workbasket. Always yesterday, last night's thought, like four days ago: ass, clever ass beforehand and how does that description of the conditions, at least in his particular dorm? How does that square with why you ve learned in your reporting? Well from the start of the crisis, the Department of Corrections has taken several measures to slow the spread of the virus, Dave inmates to sleep head to toe at night, and I wanted to get one mouth and nose as far away

another mouth and nose as they could there. The cleaning staff queen the common areas and housing areas as best as possible. But the fact is conditions at rikers remain very unsanitary in bed. Inmates can't get hand sanitizing, because it's an alcohol based product and are not allowed to have alcohol, often too the only way for them to get so for their own personal hygiene is to buy it in the commissary. All these measures that were put in place to stop the spread of the virus. Haven't always worked, I mean how do I know you? Don't sleep like a pretty close proximity? How close? What do you think you can all about? Finally, from He sleeps he slept over over the next dial over one person over so how'd. You like her

your lung, yet I know you know you're going out there were they. Operators were alive, so it sounds like mission risk of getting covered. Nineteen is really high. Yes, but in fact Mitchell lawyer Laura expects they could get a decision from the judge very soon about the question of his release, and hopefully we will get a result tomorrow that we can talk more about that debate. Thank you. So much because we are in favour of when they talk the next day. Taking any gap she's got some bad news

Your team went in front of a judge, they argued the case and the judge has said no Mitch can't get out you added quickly by. I realise that someone actually sitting next to you had touched the president come out. Someone else for people, while the poor people today. This is crazy, justly crazy, because they are telling us what to do. What do we do? We need to find a way I need to get out of it. I get out into the killing me if I catch some dead, I would do we need to realise that there may be some important step, an accomplishment ascended somebody porridge, Somebody gotta do something. Somebody sue by this point. Rikers has already released hundreds of inmates correct

So? How are they deciding who stays and who goes well so far, Dave released six hundred fifty people and of those six hundred fifty, people generally talking about three different categories of inmates. First, there are those who been accused of nonviolent low level offences, and there are also p but who are at Riker serving what's called a city year, a sentence that is sure less than a year, and so they are about to get out anyhow and then there is a third category of people who are at the island because they have committed a technical violation of their parole, meaning they were out on parole for previous crime and they got caught, selling minor like smoking, a joiner drinking beer on their sidewalk. So how does not fit into this picture?

So the challenge for marriage is that his case is just a lot more complicated. Mrs served by twenty two years in prison for selling drugs and committing multiple robberies. The state considers them a violent offender. He got out of prison in two thousand. Team, but then, last summer he was re arrested for an attempted robbery charge while there is on parole, so midst just doesn't really fit neatly into any of those categories for people that we're getting off rikers, island, bright and yet he's medically vulnerable with is another factor that judges are weighing in releasing people from Rikers and that the city itself is prioritizing people like that those people who, if they catch covert nineteen there more likely to die but we're trying to play

much pressure on the governor on near feet, dogs on commissioner New Chee too least everyone released and faintly any be as a result of their by everyone. I want. I want to get out, I'm trying to get everybody boil the everyone else's sick like I am. I die. If I had this. If I get it, I'm gonna die. Supposing a simple was badly forgave die, don't care by body out right now selfish about this. So much represents this really difficult but interesting tension that a lot of courts are facing across the country right now. Does he pose too much of a risk to public safety to be let out or is he medically vulnerable enough to be let out too

just be prioritizing the safety of the public, or should they be thinking about the health? the individual inmates. This pat cast is supported by a trade trading, isn't for everyone, but he trade is whether it saving for a rainy day or you, retirement e trade. Has you covered? They can help you check financial populist and with a team of professionals, giving you support. When you need it, you can be confident that your money is working hard for you get more. Just trading with e trade, to get started, visit each dot com, slash podcast for more information, each trade, Securities LLC member fin raw as Ipc. So Alan. It sounds like the job

in denying matches request to get out of Rikers is putting consider visions of public safety above his health yeah. Absolutely so it is Mitch say about that match our employer from earlier times a warrior prefer the hardware. Well, I asked him. I just put it to him if he was a public safety threat, given his rap Well, let me ask you this. Is there any way you can understand for judges decision? You know it's a chicken attempted robbery charge, not shaping. You know you haven't been proven guilty, yet it dick. Can you understand how a judge might make the decision has been made here? Yes, I understand. Without a doubt, a judge does

want to jump out the window at the grand anything for fear of media going up doing and other crimes committed other crime. So again I do understand, and I absolutely do, but you I can't. I can't see anything more than look at my poor. Do you see yourself as a threat to public safety? I do I don T mean to me. I can't walk first thought, I'm in a wheelchair. If I can get up and walk to step out, it would be a miracle. I can't walk for me. Just look at the proof of what I am have you not least with a clear conscience. Look at it with open eyes and then make a decision so what happens? Next? Aim at Skiing Army Delicate Mitchell, Laura talked again the day after the judge denied his request to leave right

So when the weather they tell you and they gave you tat came in, he came round. The dawn we have gone about people. So now what we don't know what's gonna had Mitch tests positive for coordinating the Somebody bring about positive magazine out of control out of control. I got an arm In writing. I told them I can't breathe morning. Were any work were gonna move them, and then so is. That is that it is as much out of options What does the change that this makes enriches case from a legal perspective? Is that it allows Laura. His lawyer, to make a totally different argument in front of the job

now, instead of just saying that Mitch is potentially at risk of contracting the disease, she can argue that, because he already has it and he's got this terrible, pre existing condition in his lungs that he's not going to be able to get the proper medical care he needs at there's island. I'm really tried to I'm gonna get these papers filed today, and I am not going to wait for the other affirmation, though. What we're gonna handle this too, and this doubling needs to be You know we argued in light of this fact. Ok, so just

and we re now trying to take care of yourself. You know your mental how's, your physical health, so I'm gonna be in touch. Call me at the end of the day you Know- and I can confirm to you that I was able to finish that up and get it files. Ok, ok take her these jails, like maybe ship, Sore meat processing plants, their hatred dishes for infection, but, unlike service members, are essential workers inmates in jails, they aren't necessarily the most sympathetic population in the world still should part of their punishment be to potentially contract a disease like covert. Nineteen I mean is that supposed to be included in the price of going to jail.

Which is still there rikers waiting for an answer. Help. Help me understand. Right now, what an ordinary average day of yours looks like today I need help. I need help showering Guy Eddie We shall help me get in and out of the shower the boy tat when he gets up take a shower breaded go back to bed through a couple hours take. My modification is to allow to reading the territories thing contact with my family for and how are you feeling these days, the legislator right now? What time like I pull the round, I told him to breathe,

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