This podcast is supported by the Amazon Original Movie being the Ricardo Critics Ray Erin Sorkin film is irresistible heartfelt fascinating and a slick crowd pleaser, who called when is sensational as Lucille Ball and Javier Boredom is magnetic, as does yarn as sixty million people, watched Isle of Lucy every week, but the real story happened, find the scenes dont best being the Ricardo, is now playing and select theatres and why now on. Prime video from the New York Times I'm Sabrina, Tavernise e you see this the Senate crucial were crowded out Joe Mansion now says he cannot vote for President Biden, signature, domestic policy plan all but killing the two trillion dollar bill. I spoke with my colleague, Emily Copper about why mention is backing out now and where this leaves the president.

It's Tuesday December. Twenty first Emily. I wonder: roll back the clock a little bit because for the A few weeks it felt like Senator Joe Mansion was on the fence about this giant piece of legislation, historic climate in social spending bill proposed by President Biden, but the scent we all had was that this would somehow all work out for binding that this would all pass so what happened? So we always knew that Joe Mansion was probably going to be the last democratic get on board and the president had really turned a lot of attention, as you said, to getting him on board, inviting him to his house in Delaware to meet one on one phone.

calls one on one meetings at the White House soon by lease one sender was joking, that domain and probably had his own parking space. But there was this confidence that, because this was Joe Biden Plan, because these two men had a friendship and an understanding from each having years of experience in the Senate, that they would be able to work out a compromise. So the and thought he was close. All indications pointed out, but by Sunday all of that changed what happened. Tell me about it, so I think most of them have the time but a whole press corps, knew something was up and we saw Joe Mansion was going to appear on. The fox Sunday shall Johnny has now democratic sender, Joe Mansion, West, Virginia sender walk back to Fox NEWS, Son too good to be with you, but in the past, when Joe

action has wanted to make himself clear. He either turns to a local outlet, or he makes a single appearance on a national platform to send a message not just to his constituents but to Washington and on Fox NEWS leadership to the first question, of course, is so today right now, what's the set plan already? This is a mammoth piece of work. station, and I have my reservations from the beginning when I heard about five and what is what is the latest with negotiations and interests are to go through. The can during which we have all become familiar Wes over the last couple weeks: inflation, it's not transitory. It's real! It's harming everyone Junior she's concerned about exacerbating the inflation trends that we're seeing and he's concerned about adding to the national Daddy twenty trillion dollars. He sees

It is a huge crisis for the country, but then he goes a step further. If I can't go home and explain it to the people was for junior, I care about four, and I cannot vote to continue with this piece of legislation and mansion essentially declares that he cannot support the bill as written and seems to indicate that he's done negotiating altogether. I've tried everything humanly possible. I can't get there and you can see the whole spread bear his eyes widened and he asked again your dog this is uses are now imagine confirmed. This is enough on this legislation. She was done.

and if any one in the White House know this was coming. His staff gave the White House in democratic leadership about a thirty minute heads up on Sunday before he went on her well, Sir minutes. Thirty minutes before going on air to say that he is torpedoing the entire domestic agenda. The presence of the United States crack and how did Democrats respond to this news? I may mention, is just very publicly pronounced this massive piece of legislation essentially dead. They were incredibly frustrated and angry. Has objections have already shaped the package as it stands programmes have been cut, the size has been cut down by more than a trillion dollars and mode, notably the senator from West Virginia a coal state as weakened a lot of the environmental provisions that many Democrats had said, particularly the more liberal members of the Democratic Party

Firstly, to react: the man managing the legislation Senate Budget Committee chairmen, Bernie Sanders of Vermont. What's your reaction I think he's got a lot of explaining to do to the people of West Virginia. I bit West Virginia a number of times and it's a great state, beautiful people, but it is a state that is struggling, Bernie Sanders. He wanted vote on the second floor. If he does not have the courage to do the right thing for the working families of West Virginia in America, let him vote no in front of the whole world. He won mansion, not only on the record with his words, but with his vote against the bell industry. in the president's agenda. Is obstructing the people's agenda

I was was ancient was interview. Worley are today and you ve got is a mammoth bill. You're right, it's a mammoth bill to address mammoth hurt, and then you see I unimpressed late. One of the most liberal members of the House say that mansion had essentially confirmed her fears and had in essence justified her foe against what of mentions priorities, a bipartisan infrastructure bill that became law earlier this year. That was not a boat that actual lightly, but I have great concerns and I take no joy and those fears playing out in real time as part of the push to get the liberal votes he needed for the bipartisan infrastructure bell. President Biden essentially told liberal lawmakers they. He would ensure that this bigger package, this build back better

would get through the Senate and also become law, but she and other liberal Democrats had feared that once that bill became law once the money for roads, bridges broadband and highways became law that Germany Edward turn around and oppose the bill that they had wanted to see that carried their priorities for kind change. Public housing and support for families. Budget hobbling these bills that we would see all of our leverage man, everything to do with my credible concerns based

lived experience with Senator Mansion, changing the goalposts continually, which is exactly with playing out right. Now, Biden made a promise to these more liberal Democrats, and now mention is making that promise nearly impossible to fulfil to hops. A white House respond dimensions, interview, The White House is clearly taken aback. This was a moment till this morning the White House made it seem like they were confident that Mansour eventually come around. Now the gloves are coming off in the White House is ready to fight mansion publicly. They seriously hunkered

down and write a lengthy and sharply worded statement from Jen Sake, the press secretary that fighting gives his approval to go out. It is sensually says that Joe Manchin has contradicted what he has privately told the press.

And told White House staff, and she continues to say that, just as he has quote reversed his position on build back better this morning, we will continue to press him to see if he will reverse his position yet again to honour his prior commitments and be true to his word now. Those comments seem pretty matter of fact from people who feel that they have been betrayed right and taken aback on a huge priority, but from Joe Biden White House, where a former senator has taken such care to respect the negotiations and the relationship with a current senator is a huge moment. The gloves essentially are off from this White House, but there have been indications that things had gotten Brok here, even before mentioned, one on fox and may be

comments. What do you mean? What we learned was one of the biggest problems was the child tact credit, a huge priority for most Democrats back when they passed. The pandemic really fell earlier this year. A key component of that bill was this: expansion to monthly payments for most families with children and Democrats wanted to use this huge social policy plan as an opportunity to extend that programme even farther, but we begin

that mansion had a lot of issues with how it was structured in the bill. Some people said that he wanted to leave it out altogether and publicly. He has acknowledged that he's uncomfortable with how many people are receiving the payments. So what you learn is that mention was really never on board, with some of the key provisions that the White House in congressional Democrats were trying to negotiate. A really seems that, despite these public comments from the President saying that he would get em one on board with this framework that the negotiations were continuing and they were productive and ongoing that at some point there was it disconnects, but I'm still confused about the timing of this. I mean if this had been an ongoing issue throughout this.

negotiation. If we know that mention wasn't thrilled about the package for so long. Why did he blew things up now? Well, on Monday, mansion gives us an indication of why this is happening now. So you said if I can't go home and explain to the people of West Virginia, I vote for it, and I can't can West Virginia? He goes on a local radio show. Where can you explain to the people of westwards why you are in fact against it Bobby. Let's start from the beginning way back when end he talks about not only the concerns that we have known for a while, always were you know me always willing to work and listen trot. I just got to go then, and they know the real reason what happen they won't tell you and I'm not one because I want you totally by his frustration with this pressure campaign, to get him to move off his position nodules. What

What's the real father sign is, there are basically, and if that is the staff driven. I understand tat is not the present its staff and they drove some things and they put some things out. Rapscallion They know what it is in that it and he D, key calls out White House staff for how they have handled the negotiations and actions that he calls inexcusable. So yourself president staff was putting out, I don't know, was generating criticism of you that finally pushed to the brink. Is that what you're saying I'm just saying bottom line? I knew that we could not change. It was never going to change it. Never could maintain, doesn't explicitly sailed, White White House staff dad and he's really careful not to put the blame on President Biden himself, but I think the context is clear here. This is a man who has done

is massive pressure campaign that is only escalated in recent weeks on dominant companies are not one anyone where they were and I knew what they could and could not do. They just never realized it, because they figure shortly that God we can move one person shorter, weaken badger and beat one person up. Surely we get enough protesters and make that person uncomfortable, not they'll, just sail Galva for anything just quit. Well, guess what I'm from West Virginia, I'm not from where there from a negative, beat eleven crap out of people and think up each permissive period so by the time you get to the end of this radio interview, do you get the sun. That mention is just really finished. With this bill, I think the main question

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and why times dot com slashed subscribe. So only we have mentioned baling on this bill in a really public kind of nasty fight between the White House in mansion and now the question seems to be what is happening with vitamins signature domestic policy goal. Is it really did? I think it's safe to say that its stalled and Democrats are not going to give up regardless of mansions comments. This is a signature piece of their agenda. This bill contains legacy items that so many of these lawmakers have worked their entire couriers. To achieve many see this as their last

hands, to really effectively address climate change. There's universal pre kindergarten, there's an expansion of health care for millions of Americans. These are not items that Democrats are willing to walk away from just yet. What are the options before Democrats right now, though, so there's about three options that come to mind. The first one is to essentially overhaul how this legislation is structured. Over the last few weeks and again in the interviews we saw over the last couple days. Mention has been pretty clear about the conditions for his foe. He wants garb rails on some of these new programmes to restrict who can receive the new funds and how they can be spanned. He wants to see attention paid to lowering the national debt.

Democrats do that will progressives like Bernie Sanders in Alexandria cause. You cartels still be on board. I think that's an open question. I mean part of the reason democratic structure, the package. The way it is now is to avoid having to cut out priorities for members when they have such slim margins. It really becomes a painful process of figuring out what provisions get to stay and which ones get to go right, but you also have top Democrats really making the point publicly. That they are going to continue work centre. Trucks humor says that he is going to have a vote on a revised version. Come next year. You have Nancy Pelosi, saying she's not deterred at an event in San Francisco Jen Saki, who issued this blistering statement

in the White House Briefing room talking about how these two men are a long time, friends and they're going to work like hell to get this done, and you have top lawmakers already beginning to discuss what programmes could be extended for longer in a smaller package. Ok, so that's the first option keep negotiating the overall package. So what's the second option

Another option is to break down the package and pull out individual proposals and pass them a stand alone bills. But that presents a whole series of supper. Complications in a bright now Democrats are using this complicated our came process known as budget reconciliation to pass this legislation through the Senate and avoid a filibuster. But if you break down this bill, which is something people have raised, you likely would have to move those chunks through the regular process in the Senate, which means you need republican support and that in essence, would likely send Democrats back to Square one right, because the reason they broke down this package into just to pieces which, because they pulled out everything

Republicans could support from President Biden Agenda and through that in the bipartisan infrastructure bill. So far, there is little indication that any let alone ten Republicans could get on board with these proposals as written greater. That sounds not particularly likely to then. That brings us to the third option. What is that so on Monday, we saw progressives frustrated, angry feeling betrayed start to talk about pressuring President Biden

use executive action to help deliver on some of these proposals to help just bypass the legislative process? That also comes with its own challenges for one there's: a short shelf life, free executive action for executive orders. How many times have we seen Obama, arrow rules overturned by the Trump administration and then overturned by the bite? An administration? Even now, the sum of the executive orders and executive mandates have been sort of snarled up in the court's because they ve been challenge and that's delayed their implementation, so at a way around the legislative process, but it may not be as effective as Congress passing along, and I mean broadly, that would be a real reversal from widens overall pitched voters that he could be the negotiator in chief. So to speak. Exactly this is a president who pitched himself to voters as a deal maker as someone who could leverage near

for decades of experience in the Senate to terms, as vice president into deals with at times of fractured party and at times with Republicans and right now, his party is at eyes. Is party is low? We at odds with one member and looking too and to deliver on a promise. He made that he would be able to get all of his party onboard it stretched within failure with this legislation has huge locations for President Biden and for the Democratic Party. What does a failure for this bill mean for bite and right now? I don't think you can deny the fact that it's a personal and political blow to someone who ran a campaign promising to bring people together.

to end the gridlock and deliver on campaign promises that have really gone unfulfilled for years now we have this. Legislation was already stalled before Joe Mansion said he was done, negotiating it as written. There were procedure hurdles. There were policy debates that have to be resolved with other lawmakers. It was far from finished you put that on top of voting rights, legislation, which is also stolen, the Senate, because Republicans have filibustered it, and then he looked at his pole, numbers, which are hovering in the low fortys and have been for some time now and the backdrop to all of this is the pandemic and the president's promised

really conquer the virus being undercut by a rapidly spreading variant which is spiking across the country and appears to have reached Capitol Hill, where we ve seen lawmakers with breakthrough cases. Well, yeah. I just tools like it's just spiralling that's right and I think that's a concern. Your hearing from a lot of Democrats it now voters gave them, albeit a narrow majority, but gave them a majority in the Senate. The house, in addition to the White House

They need to deliver on those promises if they have any hope of hanging onto those majorities which right now, the really concerned about between redistricting the pull numbers and so many stalled elements of their agenda. Democrats are really looking for something to take home to voters and show what they can deliver to show that they can deliver on these promises improve people's lives in the middle of a pandemic right and matters all now in question. Exactly you talked about these very slim margins that the Democrats have, and I'm wondering does this moment tell us something about the state of the Democratic Party right now in what exactly that margin really means. Looked there, there's always Ben, especially in recent years. This tension

Queen the moderate and liberal wings, the party and which direction it should go and how far- and this is just the latest instance in that in the Senate in particular- in and evenly divided Senate, where Republicans are often unanimously opposed to things. It is worth noting that all fifty senators who caucus was Democrats have held together a decent amount. This year, have you vice. President Harris has set a record for the number of Thai breaking votes in recent history between administration, appointments legislation and judicial Mommy's most notably the Kok, has held together with Joe Mansion, with Curzon Cinema, with every vulnerable moderate of for real action to pass one point: nine trillion dollars worth of pandemic relief in March. That is a massive bell right in any circumstance,

particularly when you were dealing with unanimous republican opposition and couldn't spare democratic vote, but this could be the instance where the ambitions are just a. all too much for a majority where you have no room for error, and you need the vote of every member to mention said that himself today he said the leadership was operating as if they had fifty five or sixty Democrat That's as opposed to fifty four right, fundamentally, the math. There doesn't really work exactly. Fifty is a freely unforgiving number in the United States Senate. Emily, thank you. Thank you for having me

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