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Inside the Migrant Detention Center in Clint, Tex.

2019-07-01

Federal courts have ruled that migrant children inside the United States must be housed in “safe and sanitary” accommodation. So what explains the conditions at a Border Patrol station in Clint, Tex.? Guest: Caitlin Dickerson, who covers immigration for The New York Times. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.

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From the New York Times. I'm Michael borrow this. Today, federal courts have walked once inside the? U S, migrant children must be housed in sea and sanitary conditions, explains the conditions at a border patrol station inclined texts, it's one July first, given tell us how you first heard about this detention centre in Clint Texas. So a couple of weeks ago. I got a call from a source and immigration lawyer who I work with, who told me
that she and of group of her colleagues were going to a facility in Texas, where hundreds of immigrant children were being housed, and she was going to interview the kids about the conditions there so melee my ears, perker, because This facility is almost no one can get, and journalists are often turned away. Lawmakers are turned away, it's really hard to get access and figure out what it actually looks like on the inside. So, of course I say: okay. Well, let's keep tat king and can you let me know what you find when you get there, but she said now. She said the interviews I'm about to do are confidential. I'm not gonna, be able to share with you. What I see dealing Dickerson covers immigration for the times fast forward. A few days, and she and the lawyers that she travelled a Texas with worse so horrified by what they found in Texas that they changed their minds. They decided to violate intentionally an agreement to keep the interviews they done. Confidential bidden disclose the personal details of anybody they talk to, but they summary
for us what the children said, and what exactly do this lawyer see that made her feel come held to violate this agreement and talk to you suggest to give you a little background. This is somebody who's been working in immigration, detention for twelve years. She regularly represents victims of torture and abuse. People who are seeking silence. She seen a lot is what I'm saying, and she said this was the worst detention facility should ever seen and her career. She said there was a stench everybody being house. There was a minor, the kids that she interviewed sixty and among the girl, they were still wearing the same clothes they had on when they cross the border and some of them across the border weeks earlier. So she actually saw kids, who had shirts that were stained with mucus and with vomit an teenage mothers who had breast milk crusted onto their shirts. She saw toddlers who hadn't been pie.
They train, but they weren't put in diaper, so they were going to the bathroom in their pants. The children's they had no access to soap even to wash their hands after they use the bathroom, since they were also hungry, every single child, interviewed said they weren't getting enough to eat so, regardless of the age and the youngest child. They talk to us five months old, the this was seventeen. They were all getting the same three small meals a day, and so a lot of kids said they were waking up in the middle of the night. With hunger pains, they were, sleeping on concrete floors at night and the lights were being left on twenty four seven, so they were sleep deprived too, The other thing they saw was children as young eight years old, taking care of infants, they didn't know so there are how to kids what a babies in this facility, some of them, are there with their teenage mothers, but others were separated from adult who they cross the border with and delivered this facility by themselves so one of the children they talk to describe the situation where
guard came into a room with a two year old baby and said who wants to take care of this baby? How did these kids and up in this facility? Why? We ok so ever since last fall the administration husband dealing with record breaking numbers of children and families crossing the border and at the same time they ve also stated policies that have made it more difficult for these children who cross the border and are there tend to be released from detention. So, as a result of those two things we ve seen backups across the entire system of emigration, detention from temporary border patrol facilities where people come as soon as they cross the border to long term facilities as well, and in order to just deal with this overcrowding that was happening across theirs. Some they dedicated the one facility inclined to kids finally with a surge of families crossing the border, but one explain
the slower processor releasing children from these facilities, which you said contributes to this. So when children cross the border into the United States, people under eighteen, the federal government has a legal obligation, and to release them ultimately to people, it approves as sponsors and allow the children to live with those sponsors, while their immigration cases are heard. While we decide whether they can stay in the United States or not under president from the illustration, has added additional requirements and place those requirements on sponsors. Things like fingerprints, just for the sponsor, but every single person whose living in the sponsors home additional background checks in some key dna test. All these extra rules. They added these requirements actually as an enforcement technique, because a lot of people who
Why to sponsor new immigrants are undocumented themselves and if they're not undocumented, they often live in her as with other undocumented people. These requirements were added as a way to try to catch those undocumented people and put them into deportation proceedings to ultimately kick them out of the United States. So when you add those requirements, people stop applying to sponsor children who are in custody among people. Stop, playing children get stuck there, they end up languishing, so the system is being squeezed at both ends. There is this surge of, nurse coming across the border, which sounds like the administration doesnt really have any control over and then there's a policy shift that it does have control over in which there making it harder to release the miners. These facilities to guardians who would take them out of exactly so, given that how likely is that these conditions exist in other detention facilities.
So, even though this lawyer told me Clint was the worst facility should ever seen. She all who said that she and her colleagues visited other facilities earlier in the month, and they documented a lot of the same conditions. And we ve also seen These conditions, documented in reports by the Department of Homeland Security Inspector General one report issued last month, talked about facilities where there were standing room only and the rooms were so crowded with toilets exposed in the rooms they dont have supper. Bathrooms people were standing up on top of the toilets to get their heads above the crowds of that they could get some air and breathe Kulan Arthur Basic Standards that a facility like this one has to follow. There are rules that govern the detention of immigrant minors in federal custody. They come
from a lawsuit that was filed back in the late nineteenth eightys the floor as lawsuit lawyers file, the lawsuit on behalf of immigrants who were in detention- and this was before the days of formal immigration detention centres, so they were actually being housed in an old hotel, a two story hotel. In Pasadena that had been built in the nineteen fifties? Emigration agents had drain the pool and were putting men. Women and children were unrelated to each other, regardless of their gender in random pair things in rooms, the children we're getting any schooling? who is involved in the case, described it like the wild West, very makeshift and some way similar to clean. In that way, so lawyers got wind of what was happening in this facility. They filed a lawsuit over the detention of minors. It went all the way up to the Supreme Court,
was settled years later in the ninety nineties and that settlement, which has been relegated a few times, really set the standard for the way that children can be detained in federal immigration custody and what are those conditions. So, in general, the judge in the case ordered that facilities where children are housed have to be safe and sanitary, and that federal officials have to make attempts release the kids from custody as promptly as possible. So she decided that kids can only stay and border patrol facilities like the one in Clint for seventy two hours after that they have to be transferred into longer term facilities run by the Department of Health, inhuman services which have a lot more rules attached to them and then agency has to try to get them out, get them with family or friends so that their not detained, Imagine that the conditions inside this Clint facility, described to you by the lawyer meet the criteria of safe and sanitary. So what happens next, so the lawyers who visited clan talk not just you
but other journalists. We write up our stories and they immediately go viral doctor. An attorney say: hundreds of young people are living under inhumane conditions at a Texas border control stations. People react very strong. The conditions their hearing about they found about two hundred and fifty babies and children and teenagers without adequate food, water and sanitation. Some are so moved. They start to donate money, thousands of dollars to organisations that advocate for immigrants along the border and other people get in their cars from New York and California. A Washington state and they start driving to Clint with diapers and food in the backs of their cars, to try to deliver supplies to these children and right around the same time that same week, through the nose We only have one case on the calendar this afternoon. Forest versus bar
lawyers associated with this lawsuit the floor as lawsuit had been in federal court. The government going first good afternoon, Sarah Fabian, with the office of immigration, litigation from that criminal of justice and their arguing with the government over some of these very same issues, conditions and facilities where children are being held. First with regard to the district courts, finding that? U S, customs and border protection is in violation of the flora settlement. Agreement based on the government is holding. Those rules for safe and sanitary conditions. While I mean, I think what I would go to is that when you start enumerating, for example, specific hygiene items in the way that was done, is that the court and sort of enumerated these and say these fall
where the rubric these following the category one computer environment wasn't perfume soap. It was so wasn't high class Milon, so it was so that sounds so that part of safe and sanitary disagreeing with that, the latest battle was over. Whether the government should have to provide so please thing toothbrushes or toothpaste and children, and then and a lawyer representing the Trump Administration argued in court that they should not have to provide those things and what was the rationale for argue The government does not need to provide something is basic so a toothbrush toothbrush toothpaste for two children, MRS Saudis, while I think it in sea VP, custody, there's frigates, frequently intended to be much shorter term. So it may be that first shorter term stay and see Bp Custody, that summit
Things may not be required, while the government lawyers argument was that these facilities are meant to be temporary, and so they dont need all these extra amenities. She's right. The facilities Armand to be temporary. But as we know, and as we have been discussing right now, they're not right now, kids are getting stuck there for weeks up to a month. Because of this delayed process are releasing exactly And how did the judge react in that case? Knowing what you just Explained- the arguments actually being made before a three judge panel and all of the judge. This may seem like they can't really believe what government lawyer as sang Marie. What are you? Are you seriously that do not read the agreement as requiring you to do so. Other than what I have just described: cold, all night long lights on online sleep on the concrete, and you get an aluminum foiled
Are you saying that up until now lie down which they also said? I think, but I find it inconceivable, that the government would say that there is safe and amateur athletes very openly chopped and openly disagree. One of the judges, a Wallace Tajima, was actually imprisoned in a japanese internment count during World WAR too, and he responded with a very brief common understanding that you know, if you don't have a toothbrush feudal have. So, if you don't have a blanket, it's not safe and voted wouldn't everybody agreed with you. Do you agree that? Well, I think it's I think, desert. There is fair reason to find that those things may be part of say may do are apart when you maybe But you may their circumstances where a person does need to have a toothbrush toothpaste into four days. That's not safe and sound
Terry, wouldn't everybody agreed to that You agree to that and this exchange was recorded on video. Because on the internet- and it ends up being watched by millions of people. So after your stories, Describing these conditions inclined and after the tromp administration, lawyers, presentation, his capture, video and people how reach by it. What happens next within a few days clean is emptied most. The kids are transferred into long term care run by the health and Human Services department. A few are sent to a different overflow facility where the border patrol says the conditions are better because its new, and it was built for families and the head of the federal agency, that is in control of clan. U S. Customs and border protection. John Sanders resign,
from his job. So this very much seems like the government acknowledging that there is a big problem here. It seems that way, but then, almost immediately after the border patrol tells us that they ve moved more than a hundred children back into Clint Seem facility, the same facility. An official at the agency also tells myself and other reporters on oppress call that he quote doesn't by the allegations of the lawyers and the children, and Clint basically thinks there. They weren't accurately describing the conditions there and, on top of that border patrol official start to tell us John Sanders resignation had nothing to do with what was happening in clear killing what his the president himself said Harold about these conditions, and these issues that you in these lawyers have raised the conditions are:
I agree, and in that way, for a long time or something and President Obama built the cages. Remember they said that I built on the president's response, has pretty much been one: it's not my fault and two. It's not my problem. Is the Democrats would change the asylum laws and the loopholes which they refused to do because they think it's good politics. Everything would be solved immediately that they refuse to do it. He blames the Democrats in Congress for not facing existing immigration laws. He says it's on ideal, but it's basically the result of all these other forces of human trafficking. That's bringing people into the United States of the debt Rats refusal to replace the existing immigration laws consciousness of his hand. I inherited separation. From President Obama, President Obama built they call em jail cells. They were
talk about now. You weren't ministrations. Aren't you in the recreation of schooling, these kids anymore? You ve gotten rid of all that you and I found testing job under the circumstances. Democrats. What do they back? This pot cast is supported by a trade trading, isn't for everyone, but he trade is whether at saving for a rainy day or your retirement, each trade has you covered. They can help you check financial goals off your list and with a team of professionals giving you support. When you need it, you can be confident that your money is working hard for you get more than just trading with e trade.
To get started visit each dot com, such podcast for more information, each trade, Securities, LLC member fin raw as Ipc Killin, when you mention inclined the lack of soap or showers or clean clothes. How exactly do explained? How does the government explained that the government says that these facilities were not built for this population and the right? The facilities were. To house an entirely different population and border crossings largely healthy adult men, who would be house for only a couple of hours before they were gonna, be deported back to Mexico, so they just don't have beds for children they don't have showers for children. That's true! The problem is that, as I said, the government has been dealing with an unprecedented influx of children since October of last year. So why are
children still going into the exact same facilities that they were almost a year No, I mean why hasn't the infrastructure changed and with the answer to your question, I think part of it is limited resources, but part of it is also the way the government has chosen to use those resources and we haven't seen a whole lot of effort put toward exe banding facilities to make room for the children and families who are coming and I've had a homeland security officials say to me. If we make room more people are gonna, come. You talk about them like welcome centres, they's, every milled, welcome centres? All that's gonna do is encourage more people to come, so the implication mare and let's be cleared and implications I clearly stated position, but the implication is that they don't want to make more space because they want to deter people from coming to
I did states to this may be a deterrent policy. These conditions were seeing in some of these detention centres. I think it's a deterrent policy and is too, is the goal reality that's outside of the federal government's control, its those two things, not one of the other. So whether or not it's the intent to deter migrants is it having that effect? Are there are fewer children arriving at the border? Since these conditions became public? You know border crust. Things actually have started to go down in the last few weeks, but no one I talk to including immigration officials attributed to conditions in detention centres. It's actually the result of changes that the mexican government has made under intense pressure.
President Trump to police, more aggressively people who are trying to cross through its country into the United States there blocking people from getting through. So what happens now? Will the conditions at these facilities improve, or are they likely to stay? The same? That's an open question because, regardless of intention reality, all the agencies involved with what's happening at the border have been responding to the criticism Nathan facing by saying we need more money. So, in the last couple of weeks Congress has said about negotiating over if and how to provide that money. Members Bruce carrier refers resolve the board member. At the end of the last week, it looked like the agency's work. Gonna get four point: five billion dollars to address this issue, a lot of money, but Democrats in Congress had hoped to put a lot of provisions on it and to be totally frank by we.
I want to make sure they were protections built into this legislation so that funds are not misused as they have been in the past, so we don't see any more children being abused. So we don't see the mismanagement that we have witnessed to make sure that he was gonna be used to improve conditions there. However, the Senate, which is controlled by Republicans, was able to pressure democrats in the house because of the urgency of the situation it. We should go to measure for commerce and urgent request or humanitarian money for the border. They were, We'll save Democrats, it's gonna, be your fault. If you delay these negotiations and have children suffer for longer, but you're all this time, our democratic health colleagues have been unable to produce a clean measure to provide the Schuman term funding with any transfer of becoming law. The Senate, as Democrats describe basically wanted a blank cheque.
We already have our compromise. Shelby lay he sent a bill, it down a game in town found a good play games time to make a law and they got it. So we have to see how those funds are spent, I'm looking to see whether they go towards improving food, improving medical care, improving beds and basic amenities, or if administration officials continue to argue that these facilities are meant to be temporary and that they shouldn't have to make them anymore people, then they are right now and what solution from Clinton. Where this all started trio, so our quarter. Simone Romero got a tour of clear last week. It's a lot. Less crowded than it was weeks ago, but he observed a lot of similar conditions that were reported. Originally he saw
children as young as three years old, pressing their faces up to the window, to try to get attention in overcrowded cells themselves with more than twenty little girls, he saw kids outside in over a hundred degrees, heat. Agents who are showing around pointed to shelves and said: look we have so we have toothbrushes here, but the agents told journalists were this tour. They were not allowed to talk to any of the children and since we almost never get access to these facilities when we do were not allowed to talk to the children we're in them, we just don't know what kind of circumstances there living in fear and thank you very much. Thank you. On Friday night, a federal judge issued an emergency order demanding that health and sanitation conditions improve and border patrol facilities across taxes, including quit
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