Who exactly joined the mob that, almost a year ago, on Jan. 6, breached the walls of the U.S. Capitol in a bid to halt the certification of President Biden’s election victory?
Members of far-right extremist groups were present but so too were also doctors, lawyers, substitute teachers and church deacons, many of whom had previously been nonpolitical.
The question of why they were at the Capitol that day is hard to answer, but some of the most useful clues come from three F.B.I. interviews that have been released to the public.
Today, in the first of a three-part look at what happened on Jan. 6 and what it tells us about the state of American democracy, using voice actors, we bring one of those interviews to life — that of Robert Reeder, a father and delivery driver from suburban Maryland.
Guest: Alan Feuer, a reporter covering courts and criminal justice for The New York Times.
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was seen played out at the: U S, capital matters, big numbers of commerce for certain
prostitution and the laws of the United States, Senate and House of Representatives remaining in joint session that morning,
Congress was scheduled to certify the results of the twenty twenty election making Joe Biden
The next president of the United States for weeks, don't
and his allies had been working to subvert those results.
Pressuring state and local election officials submit
lawsuit after a lawsuit and calling on them.
Vice President himself, not to perform.
Constitutional duty in certifying binds victory. All of that had failed,
and so on January. Sixth, our country has been under siege for a long time
in Trump, went to the national law and you're the real people. Yet the people that built this station you're not.
and urged the thousands of Americans who had gathered there. Two more
on the capital and could fight like Hell fight like
and if you don't fight like hell, you're, not gonna, have a country anymore and so
the country
watched as scenes of chaos and violence fleet out in the halls of government as rioters floated through the doors Maastricht members of Congress, rushed to safety and
american citizens engaged in hand to hand combat with capital police autumn,
one hundred and fifty law enforcement officials were injured and five people were left at the government that is due as normal God law abiding citizens than yoga
dead. There's why our country back today, we begin a three part. Look at what happened TAT Day
and what it tells us about. The state of american democracy in part one. My colleague, Allan Fair reports on what.
We ve learned about whose the rioters actually work and takes us inside an FBI interview with one of them it's Wednesday January fifth,
And we're gonna do something of a different today, we're gonna die with you into the transcript of an FBI interrogation with a January sixth participant end, for we do that. I want to talk about why this feels so important ass. Let's start by talking about what you have been doing in the year since January sixth here so I have more or less been singularly consumed by the question of who was part of that mob. From the beginning, there has been a focus on whether there was any real organization on January six and much of the attention has been on the presence of far right extremists, people from groups
the proud boys and the oath keepers. Obviously, the authorities have also been intensely interested in anyone who attacked police officers. Anyone who engaged in clear cut violence in out those were the people we saw, throwing fire extinguishers or beating officers with crutches and party sticks right, but there was a whole other group of people that, at least from what we saw that day seemed to be different. These were the people who almost appear
to have wandered into the building who were walking around taking pictures of the capital. Some of them were lie
I've streaming themselves as they posed in front of statues and Congress members offices brain.
I remember that vividly because it was one of the most unexpected images of that day, Brian,
even though it seemed like they weren't doing all that much they were part of the mob and the fact is, without their collective physical presence January six doesn't happen, as a government itself has said in countless send its and documents from January. Six, a riot cannot occur without rioters and they point out that
each rioters actions from the most Monday into the most violent, contributed directly and indirectly to the violence and destruction of that day. Still in our individually, these people don't fit the more of the classic, far right extremists and so
it fell to me that understanding who those people are in and what brought them to that day. That's a very important part of understanding sort of what the hell happened in and what it says about this state of our democracy, which of our fellow Americans showed up. And why and what have we learned about that?.
Well, an interesting portrait has emerged of more than seven hundred people who have been charged so far, just one in ten.
was a member of a far extremist group, twelve percent,
had a military background.
More than half either had white collar jobs or on their own businesses. There were doc
there's lawyers substitute teachers, church deacons, there was state department, official and in terms of where they
from where in the country it doesnt really map neatly unto much of anything. In fact, if someone lived in a county that Trump one
twenty twenty election, they were less likely to be there. Then, if they lived in a county, one by Biden, reeling and many
these people they described themselves and were described by people who know them as good neighbours, church goers, community waiters, a lot of them
had never been particularly political in the past great until it seems this day right exactly
so why were they there? And honestly, it's been hard to answer that question in oh I've tried to talk to as many of the people who were there that day as I can, but for obvious reasons, people who are charged with a crime don't often find it in their best interests to talk openly with with Turkey. Has I mean also there's just really no single answer to that question, and so the most expansive look at these people that we have happened to come from three FBI interviews.
Tat have been released to the public. There were hundreds of these interviews dawn, but for legal reasons, only three have seen the light of day and they really do give you an intricate sands of some of the people who were there that day from their own perspective and the most revealing of the
Interviews to me is from a man named robber reader. At the time
in our view, reader was facing for misdemeanor charges for entering the capital and as his sentencing a pro,
urged readers lawyer made the decision to release the transcript of the interview he did with the FBI right and all of that explains what we are up to today. Given the journalist,
the value of this FBI interview and because the recording of the interview was not released along with the transcript we're going to do something. As we said unusual, we have worked with voice actors to brew.
in that transcript to life, the only editing we have done is for length and for clarity,
because the original interview was more than a hundred pages long and
our house were listening. What do you think it's important that people keep in mind about the nature of an FBI interrogation, especially in a case like this well, one thing
keep in mind. Is that the FBI already knows a lot about Robert reader do actually voluntarily turned himself in a law enforcement and as part of that, he handed over lots of photographs and video that he himself took that day. So the agents
have all that they also know his biography. Reader is in his mid fifties, he's FED Ex driver from Suburban Maryland or he was FED Ex driver at the time of the insurrection. He single and he has a son, the agents have
seen his social media. They know he was a member of multiple pro trump groups on Facebook, though he claims to be a lifelong democrat. He posted means about the voter fraud myth he wrote, that quote, civil war is coming and that again this quote this time the conservatives will stand their ground and the radicals will die but again, like most
people there he doesn't have a violent history or any ties to far right group. So the FBI agents are less interested in what he did, which they think they know when they're more interested in. Why and how he did it
and for his part, reader certainly has zone agenda here long
are in that room essentially to do what they can
diminish his exposure to criminal punishment, which means that it may not be in his interest to be entirely forthcoming about what happened that day. So there's definitely some cat and mouse going on.
ok and finally on. Can you set the scene for us for this shore?
We are in the FBI, field office can Baltimore Maryland and we ve got to FBI agents. We ve got robber reader himself and we ve got his attorney
and they are sitting in what is presumably a small conference room talking across the table.
you, don't have a kleenex to you
are we could grab some tissues? Are the restroom if you like some for you, sir? I just just let me know if, if at any point let me know asked about and get it I gotcha
all right, so I'm just gonna start a preamble, so many MS special agent, Alexandria Foeman,
you're a special agent hunter lock, if you wouldn't mind stating your name for the record Robert reader, great,
and so the date is Tuesday April. Twenty us. The time is ten. Forty
all. So I envision this interview being a conversation. Ok, we're really trying to paint the picture of you note there. So many people there
every individual found their way there. So if you wouldn't mind, are starting out and in painting that picture for,
on what brought you to DC on the sixth and again just walk through the timeline of everything. Ok. Well. First, I'd like to start off with that. I've never been to a protest or anything
that before in my life, I decided to go to the gathering at the White House
early in the morning tat morning. Actually I had had some one asked me the night before
if I was gonna go or if I was interested in going, I said no, not at all watching tv
and in the morning when I woke up just hearing about how large the crowds we're gonna be
the last time that you might be able to see President Trump. What was going on for lack of a better reason I just didn't, have anything
to do, and I enjoyed going down to DC all the time. I go there quite frequently just to walk around your bike. I take my bike
down to the mall fear the metro so just watching tv kind of in Spain
me to go that morning, so I was like what the heck I'll go and check out the crowd. Mostly
I jumped on the metro and went down to them all and walked over there and that's when I started taking pictures you can see that probably the first twenty pictures is just videos of me just doing three sixties, just showing the crowd. The only other crowd. I'd experience
I was probably for the July man. I've lived in DC for seven years, and I know that one time and I said never again so we was, it was interesting. It was very peaceful, nice people, President Trump got up to speak. I got kind of close enough to see the bandstand, but couldn't see him just stood there with everybody else. Trying to hear
What he was saying, but I couldn't hear after was all over and people were all saying that everyone
headed to the capital. So that's where everybody was going so stupid me and followed the herd.
Would you describe your ideology? Obviously again, complete caviar even pay.
That are our trump supporters like that is not my we're talkin. Anybody right, you can be affiliated with whatever political party have whatever
If you have not completely fine, I'm talking broadly, how would you describe yourself
so I'm I'm a registered democratic
you're. My whole life pretty much. I've said this so many times to my friends I dont like the man trump, but I like what was happening in America. I like them.
since of make Amerika great again people believing in our country instead of you, know hating, it wasn't him doing a good job, it was a people he hired did a good job for our country. In contrast,
I didn't particularly like my party's nominee and what he could possibly do, I'm not a victim. I don't wanna claimed to be a victim of anything.
So I dont want to blame the media, but I think that's where it all started was watching the news for months and months prior to
election and everything, and then on Facebook. People back
during you know back and forth. So when you ask that question
It was listening to the news and having this belief and knowledge of what was going on in kind of being frustrated,
and questioning was the election stolen here, because at the time it was the heat of the thing. People are talking about
the election was stolen or you know Trump is still our president. All that stuff do you.
leave, the election was stolen, no, no! No! No! I don't we and I had my doubts based on and I much majority CNN. Actually
and watch vocs news. I watch CNN or away in or
local news was a sullen. Now I dont think tat. It was so a sceptic. Maybe it's a good word. I was sceptical, but that's based on the news feeling telling
the stuff
so at this point, are you in front of the initial place barrier I passed at? No, I'm not I'm not pass it yet,
I was trying to get you no good elevation to see what was going on, because I saw that the police and the protesters started to
should guess each other at tea, the gate. I tried to get up higher to video that and then I guess the barriers fell down and people started to poor through there and the capital police
officers for lack of a better word retreat stupid me
I've got through this a million times in my mind as to what I was doing there and why? What I was doing this this word this list?
term heard mentality. Is
Only thing that I could say or relate to it is just.
Everyone was kind of you know the game
was open and other cattle went out.
I'm not trying to minimize what happened, but what I can tell you is that we are having this conversation with many many many people its clear to me. It's just weighing very heavy on you. I can feel that for
you just appreciate you being truthful with us, so when I do ask some tough questions,
furthermore, standard questions and were asking everybody all I ask is that your truthful with us, yeah, yeah yeah,
Were you involved in any of the physical altercations with the police at this point at that barrier? No, I don't think so. Now I was with the herd pushing towards not pushing just
follow them up under one of the ban stands. That's when I heard the first flash bang grenade around
tear gas grenades. I don't know which it was. I got the whiff of tear gas and, if you ve ever had to guess you know what it feels like the eyes. The choking I have
and I wound up on me.
guess what you call them ass, any of the capital to try to get away from them. The tear gas and there is a ton of people out there and there was a door open their right where people were,
now you can see that in the video I kind of hesitated at first, but then I turned on the video the I went in because I thought I there's a bathroom in their water in their yeah, so I walked in. I just
get away and water and clear my eyes from other tear gas. So
do you know anybody else that was inside now
I didn't talk to anyone. I didn't see anyone else that I know well
was inside a Kapital. I didn't touch anything. I heard someone say something I get up on that statue.
I'll take a picture of you and I was like you know this place is sacred. Have you have you been in the Rotonda? Ok, so I find myself in one of the most beautiful places I've ever been animals.
really there just spinning in circles with my camera in disbelief, checking the place out. I was completely
away by the rotunda. So I stay there for several minutes, taking pictures
Then we come down to the hallway towards the house chambers. So this is gonna sound, probably the weirdest of all to you now have seen and heard many where things so.
if there is anything that I'm really. Why you to believe me on is that I didn't know that Congress wasn't session, that there was any kind of vote goin on anything like that.
I had no idea even at that point, that was like the goal for people was to try and stop that process. I had no idea that so dumb I was
You could see others gas there.
dancing in the capital or tear gassing in the capital, and then I believe from there. I walked out, and I saw two police officers and I asked him were a bathroom
and they said there wasn't one here and there
had go back the other way and that's when I saw Nancy Policies Room said speaker of the house on a thing, so I took a picture of it
I didn't go near it. Did you go into anybody's officers? No, no offices, no
didn't go anywhere that I wasn't supposed to didn't touch anything. I didn't even touch walls while I was in there
And then I left there and I went back
the road tender and they had closed doors. I believe at that point and people were like they ve trapped us in here, so I was like our God, so I saw
Blue hill police car go down this hallway and I went after him and I was like. Can you tell me how to get out of here? I just want to get out of here.
I just want to get out of here, so he led me down-
the long hallway, and as I
walking down that hallway. I saw a large group of police officers appear and I saw the
woman that had gotten shot. She was
there on the ground and there were tending to her and then I kind of could see you know that she was not doing well.
So I walked out the door immediately. I was thinking,
go home, whatever just go right, so I went back around and that led me to pass the
I saw them, bring the woman out on a on a journey and put her into the ambulance.
So there's a whole mess of people over there that are gathered up on the steps in front of the capital and their chanting thing
Let us in USA, USA and doors open up and everyone
You can see it on my videos, everyone's clapping and cheering yea years, so there let everyone in it was day. I guess the capital police open up the doors again, but did you actually see to open up the doors known? I was too far away from just verifying. Let's
it could have been the protesters yeah, so the doors opened up and I get caught in them
in reality. Now people are like kind of pushing,
shoulder to shoulder its kind of more tightly packed people are going
in that way, some kind of following
and I go back into the capital with everybody else, and so what made you go back inside after fighting played
prize strong word, but finding your way out, there was no reason I just
the herd mentality found myself back in the
I was just with the crowd and people were going in and unjust videotaping it. That's all. I don't know why, and I wish
I really wish that I could answer that release from myself. My lawyer said: why'd, you go back in and it's like, I don't know.
I went in the foyer color stepped aside.
but then the crush and please
the video. You can see that it's actually I'm being push towards into the rotunda by people behind, because they close the doors
everyone coming behind. So as I get pushed into their,
People are literally being crushed.
what I call the crush two girls were panicking wanted passed out.
The guy was yelling for his girlfriend, whoever wife, I don't know she had passed out,
and he was holding our up another one was passed. I felt
easy I and was passing out so there's this pushed back and forth, and I'm trying to video tape that now it said in the thing that I've videotaped these saw on the officer
I yelled retreat. If you look at that, very I'm standing next to the officer, but I'm Tellin the people in front that are pushing our way to retreat. I'm not telling the cop to retreat. I'm telling people that's in front. That's crushing him because he's like ok now, yet we were close to the point of passing out at that point and so to be clear, when you say quote, you need to retreat you're talking to the crowd or the officer
out of protesters protesters cause. You were newer right up on new right up there with the police officer and I can fully. I can't
I can imagine shoulder shoulder. I can't imagine without felt like again, I don't do crowds
it's like my worst nightmare now. How did you find yourself that close to the officer he was down?
at this point. This was a matter of almost panic and survival for ferry anyone that was there whether it was the police officer. Next to me, every one was getting crushed and I couldn't breathe. That's, U noses weaken
where people die. Eventually they got the front door open and they were able to push those. Fifty sixty,
Seventy eighty people out the door and soon, as I got clear and on the steps I went about half way down the capital stairs and sat down and rested caught my breath. I was just physical, exhausted from being
rushed so then I went down to the bottom of the stairs. That's when I took the video saying
I'm leaving the capital. Now in all this stuff- and I mistakenly said the word- did battle with the police. Well, I was now we can ask you about that
completely stupid choice of words. So what did you mean when you said that I just meant cash and nothing? That means probably what at face value that statement on paper with me:
hum, I really don't know. I just meant that we got in and honest
pushing match, which is what happened. It was just a very bad choice of words. The protesters were in conflict with the police,
I really don't know what to say. You know I mean at that time. I wasn't again thinking right. I was because you don't strike me as a
one person having gone through everything having under your phone having reviewed the capital footage
and talking to you now that still rings true
made that you're not a violent person, but I can only imagine nor Europe when you're in that position in the crash or just caught in a crowd that you know you can got instinct react to something at any point when you're inside or outside, did you physically have em altercation
the capital police, so our I'll get in just a moment.
No, I love my country, I have always supported the police, have family and law enforcement
a lot of my friends are in law enforcement. Like you guys, not just police, I support our police one hundred and ten percent. I am a scout master. I've been doing stuff in boy scouts for almost ten years, and I have an at large see then on the camping share for the entire district, which overseas thirteen thousand voice. I coach of coach baseball for several years coach soccer, two different leagues, including military,
in shifting very involved in my church, and all that is gone away. Since this all of it has gone away. I still support our police, one hundred and ten percent. You know, I think the police and teachers should get a Paris, so no I'm not violent towards any police. What happened was that I saw the this police like these police came out the door.
and there was a cop that was hitting this woman and she was, I think, bloodied and an he threw down the stairs, and
I come on. You kidding me a woman, you you had better
when a woman and am yelling at the guy.
You hear you probably find the videos of this, but he lunges toward me any knocked me down on the ground, and so I'm I'm flat on my back and people came from behind him and pushed him down like he was coming back up on top of me, but I was down on the ground in the field.
position yet, and I just pushed him back up. I didn't kick or anything like that. I just helped him back up and he got got up and he cannot got absorbed by the crowd he might not have even like you know, meant to push me or something like that like it could have been someone pushing him. All I know is that I went down on the ground and that I believe someone
people pushed him on top of me that was it and then someone grabbed me from behind and yeah me up and pick me up and at that point,
so I need to get out of here, no matter what so I had a back towards the front of the capital and I stop there and I took to less pictures jumped off along with them
sidewalk walk off the capital grounds, indirectly to union station. I jumped on the metro train. It only took like forty forty five minutes to get back home. I got in the house and turned on the tv and.
There was shown pictures of what was happening at the capital made me. Sick
we want to call it, but I felt sick and MIKE, I hope the police get those guys, you know and russian and I realize wait. A second
I was there an hour ago,
I didn't have any political agenda, I didn't want it to no violence.
So no harm or anything I didn't even know like. I said those people are in session for a vote on any day and you know
I just I don't want to be known or remember to someone that took part in that thing. Cuz. I wasn't a member of that those people I'm not affiliated. I don't want to be associated with those people that were
two with a plan to do harm or create violent
or whatever it was. I dont want to be part of that in the in remembering remembrance cassettes, not
HU, I am or what I was therefore
some stupid stupid decisions and to say that
mistaken my life is an understatement, so I guess this is probably a good time from it asked this question
Is there anything they feel like you should? Let us know about
we're. Just is there anything that we haven't asked that you feel like you would want to tell us today? No,
this is my personal feeling. Is that enough, those guards adjusted
something like you can't come in here, sir or no. This is u no clue
those building where you gotta exit now or anything like that. I wouldn't have gone in the building and I would have been-
and we would not be having this conversation. I'm not saying is therefore, but it's almost like they wanted us to come in there and they close the doors.
They have their sound bite for the news you know, like all trump supporters came in and storm the capital and stuff like that. It's just
in our opinion and feeling, but I don't I mean they talk about how secure the capital,
walked in their like. I was a congressmen almost you know and that's why I kept on like where's the security point I just regretfully, and down the whole thing, starting with listening to the news
starting with listening to the nose and then deciding to go down there on a whim that morning she's the biggest mistake in my life
and I'm not saying that I'm not innocent, but I just don't want to be lumped in with those other.
people that I want you guys to go and get, and you know prosecute this
ordeals cost me more than you can imagine. When we started out, you said
I can imagine how you feel are or what I've lost my job. I plus the ability, the coach and scouts which was really meaningful to me. I want to go back to my church, which is one of the
are just in Maryland, he's my son all the time.
Son's name is Robert Reader, so my son, who had nothing to do with this, is known to.
feel the effects and he's now staying with his mother. I don't see it
ouch anymore, because she doesn't and he doesn't want. You know because of this
grace,
going to follow him around too because of his name. My neighbors won't even talk
many more and we had great relationships, but they all talk and found out. You know
be walking out to my car and see how it also high. They want you to say hi back and that hurts.
This change. The way tat. I live my life, you know what I'm like yours is not to watch the news. I mean
I don't even know what the weather is gonna, be then yeah I can, but I don't do anything. My whole life has been
aged turned upside down, because it is stupid. Stupid mistake that I may
what I said earlier, that I can imagine what I meant, as I can't imagine,
and then in your shoes what I can
tell you, though. I do believe that you ve been truthful here today. Even
asking the tough questions again part of it is
I'm not going to list and you're doing all right things. You know you can't change the past, but impact the future and
you're doing all the right things to get yourself there. Thank you for saying that
I mean I want to say it's like
I want to say I didn't do anything wrong, but I know that I did. I was there. I went into the capital, would
permission. I should have known better, but again this whole, not thinking and just walking in like like it was ok did
One stop me, I want to say I didn't do anything wrong, but but I know that I did you have any other questions. Have any other questions, no new money, no questions or anything. They rose at here and they're, calling
I'll be right back, ok, I'll! Let me try to sum up, then interrogation by his telling robber reader is a single father.
Worker who, driven by some combination of boredom questions about
the election and in part his simple geographic.
Seventy two Washington makes
his way with the crowd to the: U S: capital, on January, sex,
once inside. He says he pretty quickly wants to find his way out of the capital, but then-
is unable to explain why he goes back into the Kapital. He insists that he didn't understanding.
tension of some and the mob that day to block Congress from certifying binds election victory. He says he's second, by their actions, wants them.
held accountable if MRS remorse end the FDA investigators tell him that they believe so
ultimately, what do you make of readers account? Is this typical? Actually, it is and my reporting I found that what reader saying is really not tat unusual at all. A lot of people have this same story. They say they were going with the herd. They say they were truly remorseful about what happened. They. They talk about the devastating impact, its hat on their lives, and you know it's entirely possible that many of them do feel tat way. You know, but it's also the case that every participant in January, six would
an interest in talking about themselves like that, the past by the hapless participant the person who was more motivated by curiosity than by any driving ideology or desire to violently overturned on election right, but is
true right, we already knew from reader social media tat. He had grown more extreme in his political beliefs and he's portraying to the FBI. In this interview by after the interview, there is actually a new piece of evidence that emerges that challenges readers account and
further complicates the image that he's putting forward and what is that new information, so four months after reader is interrogated by the FBI, he scheduled for his sentencing hearing in front of a federal judge in Washington, but literally just a few hours before the sentencing starts. A new video reader from January sex emerges as actually dug up by this group of amateur online detectives, who had been help being tracked down participants in January sex. They call themselves sedition
terms and this new footage. It shows reader in an altar occasion where the police officer, and so what do you see in that video? So you actually see the scene that reader was describing to the agents during his interview. You know he's kind of described this event as a police officer falling on top of him in the chaos of things and
oh, he helps the officer back up under his feet right, but in the video you just see reader in a much more confrontational position towards the car. You know it's kind of
infusing malay of pushing and shoving. But it just looks
lot more like an altercation, then
reader had described to the FBI. Seventh, video establishes what sure looks like a discrepancy between what actually happened and what we are wants: the F B, I think definitely so what happens after this view
oh surfaces, so some kind of unusual, the sentencing hearing that were supposed to go off that day is actually called off and its delayed two months so that both sides can review the video and, in the end, the Justice Department decides to stick with the original misdemeanor charges. They're not going to charge reader with anything additional like assault, but when they do is that they ask that his sentence be increased from the two months they had originally requested to six months. During the hearing, the judge actually notes the discrepancies in readers account, and he says that some of red or statements to law enforcement were quote disingenuous and self serving and
quote its rewriting history and the facts to say you didn't know what was going on. I've had too many people say that to me by which he means to many January sixth participants. That's correct, that's correct a reader for his part apologizes, and he calls the riot disgusting. He calls his own actions shameful and inexcusable. The judge acknowledges that reader appears remorseful and ultimately, he kind of splits difference. Any sentences reader to three months into three months for
the building in the storming of the capital entering our sixth yeah. I mean, if you look at it overall general six has just been a strange case for prosecutors because for about half of the participants charge so far, the ones who didn't engage in the more over it acts of violence or conspiracy in their ultimately being charged with what amounts to trespassing or disorderly
conduct, despite the fact that there are likely many of them like reader, for whom
line between court on court,
participant in wanderer and some one capable of real violence, seems actually pretty thin yeah exactly, and I think that's precisely why I've been consumed by the story and by the question of who was in the mob, I'm in air. I share with you one of the most shocking facts about the people who were there are generally six by and large, the people acted most violently that day were actually the ones who
the least violet backgrounds, the people who acted the most violently on January sex or the least likely to have had a history of violence. That's right! The people who were charged with violent assaults on police officers, the ones wielding hatchets in using fire extinguishers only
very, very tiny fraction of them had any connection at all to right wing. Extremist groups yeah can also, in other words, even among two hundred plus people who are charged
serious assaults that day, they too are in many cases, not people that we understood to be a threat. Nato,
who are the neighbours and the church goers and the people who served this country and out? That's why
I and others have been calling this. A mass radicalization of quota, unquote orders
the Americans, in over the last few months, I've been talking to a university of Chicago Professor Ease studies, extremists, threats and terrorism.
And he has been poring over the data from January Sex and trying to figure out what we can learn about. Who was there and one of the things that he is most alarm by? Is the emergence of this huge number of Americans who don't fit the profile of typical extremists, but who believe that
The election was stolen. He estimates that twenty one million Americans
say vaguely the Trump one the bite of lost and that violence is justified to return trunk to the office. They believe rifle. He belongs to him: twenty one million Americans. Yes, so few,
who put all this together and what does it tell you? You know what what it says is that if there is ever going to be
another January sex or something that resembles January sex, it most likely is not ultimately going to be because of far right extremists or people with violent histories. It's going to be because of people like Robert Reader,
people who harbour some sense of doubter, anger or resentment and
whatever reason decide to show up and become just part of the herd on. Thank you very much for thank you, Michael
tomorrow, in part two of our coverage of January sixth and the state of american democracy, a
precision with republican congresswoman least Cheney of Wyoming, we re back here's what else you need today. On Monday,
the White House said it was doubling its orders of Pfizer's antiviral pills for covered from ten million to twenty million treatments, saying it hoped they would help alleviate the burden of the almost convention on hospitals. As of today, nearly one
hundred thousand Americans or hospitalized with cold it, but the fighter pills called packs, love, it remained scarce and I've been stopped just south
of Quantico Virginia. I ninety five for at least fifteen hours, I've hundreds of drivers became trap
on Interstate ninety five, one of the nation's busiest roads. For more than twenty four hours after a fast moving winner store, created, dangerous conditions and caused dozens
accidents. Now I don't know who's in charge, but somebody better do something, because there are cars and families just trapped here, loose trapped in there
Horse described rationing, gas and food to make it through a bitterly cold night until they were rescued on Tuesday, but the interstate remained blocked late in the evening, because some cars were abandoned by their drivers. Tidies episode was
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