Hey pure. It's Michael about how you could you got? I imagine I'm catching you absolutely in the thick of it, I'm just how in the thick of it crashing, but I'm ok, I'm we saw the presence tweet about tumbled and being out as national grid adviser, and I wonder if I could ask you a few questions about it or now, just not a good time yeah. I agree that it is right for us what I know about I'll get back to fight from the New York Times, unlike other bottle, this is the daily today. Peter Baker eventually takes the call and explains what happened to John Bob it's Wednesday September. Eleven.

Peter hello, hey there are you what a difference a day makes Little twenty four hours, Snowden created town as John Calibre, got right, John Kelly him. So yesterday, Peter you are telling us that President Tromp was calling off a peace deal with the Taliban, which is exactly what is national Security advisor bottom was pushing for and that followed it. John Bolton win now today. Bolton is either

fired or he quit depending on what you believe. So how do you square those too well for maybe even when win a policy fight and lose the war right in this case, both dig it when he wanted in terms of ending the negotiations, at least for now with the Taliban, but he had so warned, is relationship with the president that by less than twenty four hours later he's out of a job, the late shall, I know how stable bear after we talk yesterday, there was a confrontation between the president and pulled over this very topic now itself invited the Taliban to Camp David the weekend before nine eleven. That's like there's nothing, that's like that people in vice president, my pencil camp were upset at both because of a story both vice president, my pants and nationals.

If I search on Bolton thought it was a mistake, but according to that had come out saying that pants had also been against the camp David meeting with the Taliban that was perceived by pencils, people as away from Bolton's camp to basically list allies say: hey, wasn't just him stake, but according to people familiar with the talks Trump, what are to be the deal maker? Who would put the final parts together himself or at least be perceived to be so a deeply resented that that was blamed on both fairly or not, and so by it. The present talk with bottom last night feeling really raw. Why? Because. Odin had opposed the camp David Meeting, and so the thinking is, the ball would have been the one or people around him at the word out that, oh I'm not alone. Look even a vice president opposed this meeting exactly and four months. The president been kind of bristling at what he perceived to be boltons overly hawkish view of the world jungle absolutely a hawk is up to him.

Gone all world at one time. Ok, you know he would even joke about that. I actually temper John, which is pretty amazing, isn't he was the peacemaker among the two. What is it that was good, I'm the one that tempers him, but that's. Ok. I have different sides, I mean I have joined boatmen ever the people that are a little more damage than him and in some ways that was true because Boden didn't like a lot of diplomacy, going. I didn't like dealing with the North Koreans or the uranium or the Taliban. He didn't trust any them. You didn't think that they may stay should get in bed with these bad actors. Yet here's an all purpose insult that you can use all applied to the to the North Koreans question. How do you know when the north korean regime is line answer when their lips are moving. Now in the eight year actually read the president. You know, as somebody's looking for the big eel he's gonna make a deal with Taliban. Maybe he'll make a deal with ran again

I think I ran his tremendous economic potential and I look forward to letting them get back to the stage where they can show that I've had. That was at the core of the very big difference between him and his national security Visor what happens this morning, while the morning begins actually kind of normal. In the White House, there was a meeting of the national security team, in the situation, rumours chair by John Bull as it should norm be without the President couple hours. The White House scheduled a briefing that Wolden was going to give in the way Remember the press, along with sectoral state, might compare and secular treasury, Stephen Newton can talk about terrorism. Efforts than dramatic breaking is just as we begin the hour. The President United States announcing on Twitter is national security. Adviser John Bolton is Lee.

Right around noon comes the tweet from the present she, the tweet from the present right there. I asked for John for his resignation, which was given to me this morning. I thank John very much for his service. I will be naming a new national security adviser this week within minutes. Now comes another tree in a surreal mermaid twelve minutes later this one from John Bone Bowl and denied he was fired. Tweeting I offered to resign last night and president Tromp said: let's talk tomorrow here bang, he offers resignation and that the president had accepted. In their words, it was his idea, not the president, so I went hand in Texas. Just to make sure we were understanding that giving us a different version. They disputing the present new taxes jumble

attacks a jumbo modest phone, and he takes it back offered last night without his asking slept on it and gave it to him this morning. So John Bull, no disputing the version of the present game he say is not true and Peter. What happens to that point? France were born with us talk. Well, they still have the briefing everybody so Secretary Palm Pay. You- and I are here today to talk about the presents new executive order with compare minutiae, succeeds estate and treasury, and there they talk about fighting global terrorism. You know terrorism, financing and how they are planning to be tougher on terrorism, as we had the and received nine eleven at this time. Second, major habit. It take a couple questions about this. But of course everybody in the room was to ask about the jungle, get far quit what happened about and what the back stories

worse. Is that compare and both have been at odds for months they have been in his epic feud over basically the ear of the present, You share some of the same policy. These are both. You know: pre hawkers conservatives, but campaign has done more to stay within the present good graces. I would say than John Bolton that greater I have because you disagree with you in particular, although tosses tell him so, we asked Pompey about this in the briefing room of leave to the present time. The reason he made this issue, but I would say this the presence entitled to the staff that he was, and I have to say they would know tears shed on his part for job, only said look. The present deserve to have somebody he trusts and value if there were many times the best well then. I disagree that, to be sure, any very openly said. Look I had a lot of disagreements, so here try and even pretend that they didn't have a rivalry. There were deaf workplaces, invest and I at different view

but how we should proceed with one point. They were asked where you do lies. I buy what occurred today with a blind by this, and both M grip, never surprised, and pompiers that I'm not surprised by any they ve, never surprise you! I don't mean that are just as this second image would say. This is pale and born are both hawks. How managed in what a difference might look like for them, for example, how embolden handle Afghanistan and the Taliban talks verses pumping well, that's one very where they were at odds. Compare was more favourable towards the talk because new the present was for now as if he were left to its own devices. That might not be his protection twice, but compare was more willing to subordinate his views to his presence, and that was a lesson he learned from extortion, who didn't do that first secretary state and getting fired as regional Bolton in some ways was policy wise,

when the wreck tourism, but in terms of not simply going long to get along, he was less willing to simply go along with policy ideas that he didn't favor, where he probably went crosswise, is the present his people Are you loyalty and they never quite accept did almost a member of the team does all of that in the end kind of suggest to you that, despite this dispute over exactly Happen, no, I wasn't fired, I resign. No, I my fired you like. But in the end it sounds like it was Trump who pushed out born. Well, look I mean the relation was brought it was inevitable that this is going to happen where there was never happen a day, some other day. It doesn't really matter. Is that much because we knew that here over

is welcome and I wish you would no longer really could be welcome in the White House, moderate back in response to covet nineteen people around the world are coming together to help one another in an unprecedented show of solidarity and resilience. Facebooks community help feature is making that easier from delivering groceries too whereas to donating to a local fundraiser food pantry community help provides a place where you can offer or request support in your area. So if you need help or can offer it go to Facebook, dot com, slash covert support, that's facebook, dot, com, sash covert support so Peter. I guess the question years

I hire a national security adviser who is so fundamentally different from you on the issue of national security was a great question. What present from like about John Bull and we re now former? U S ambassador to the EU when Ambassador John Bolton Bend, the ambassador was C mon NEWS and very aggressively you know articulating a conservative point of view. People talk about closing this border for along. I was in the Reagan Illegal your how we passed the nineteen eighty six immigration reforming control, whacked out of which was closed borders. Have you got a golden was kind of a like minded, pugilistic version of, political figure? They do share some things. This idea of America first does play into John bones. Philosophy is well. He described himself as an american nationalist he's, not all that thrilled with the allies. Neither is present tromp. He doesn't really

leave in the U analyzer NASH organizations and think that there are very effective or or that the United States should be subordinating itself to them. Neither does present problem what he was the bones view is very different than his own view. Then present trumps view on a lot of these big issues on North Korea, where President Trump, and negotiate with Kim Jong on and John Bolton thought that was probably unwise. There's not a lot of time to waste here talking to the North Koreans Wasting time on ran. How long would it take for IRAN to get a deliverable nuclear weapon? one day after North Korea gets where just coming months ago, jumbled TED up retaliatory strike for the downing of an american surveillance drowned right and the present pulled it back at the last minute right, on Russia. John much much tougher, much more sceptical of Vladimir Putin's Russia than the price,

It would never invite them back into the g7 the way the present is talked about, and finally, of course, these last few days we see highlighted in this very big, dramatic way. There's no blind trust in the Taliban in this administration. That's for sure they idea of negotiating with the Taliban Here it seems, like Bolton, did ultimately haven't outsize influence over these acute foreign policy issues that you just outlined. He wanted the? U S to me: out of the Iranian Nuclear Deal, the. U S is now out. He opposed peace talks with Kim Jong Boon in North Korea. Those talks have more or less star all right, he pose a peace deal with the Taliban. The president has said those over not bad yeah, some ways as true, obviously, but it depends on the issue on IRAN, for instance, and I'm not looking to her around I'm looking to have around say no nuclear weapons. We have enough problem

in this world right now with nuclear weapons, no nuclear weapons for IRAN and I think, we'll make a deal pushing on an open door. The president agreed with John Bones view of the iranian Nuclear deal. They both thought it was a terrible idea. There was giving around too much leeway and that they should get out. So they agreed on but they didn't agree on France's regime change. Something Britain has always favoured in a random presents now publicly said several times: I'm not for regime change. These a great people it as it is to be a great country with the same leadership will not looking for regime change. I just want to make that clear. We're looking for now nuclear weapons. If you look on North Korea, you're right the talk to stall that certainly please John Bolton because he thought that their counterproductive and dangerous, but it Polly wasn't because of him. It was really more because of Kim not coming to the table with anything meaningful so,

in a lot of ways. John Bolton did have a lot of influence. He took. We help, for instance, holy night is out of some treaties like the Inf Treaty with Russia, but The successes were in areas where he was working with the presence on instinct, where he was going in the same direction. Where again trouble Where is fighting against the time, I am struck by the fact that the thing you say the present like most about Bolton his pugilism has come bad of style is also a kind of cost on his job right. Yeah I mean in this was something people said even seventeen months ago when he was hired. You know

as I recall so about an hour with those two in a room, the inevitable clash is going to eventually dry the part to some people, as I just pricing is it took this law, but he viewed his job is how to stop bad deal from having effect within minutes of his resigning. I talk with a person whose close to Bolton said look for seventeen months. The John Boat was national security adviser. There were no bad deals, that's his view, and we ve seen this before. Where people, whose round the present view their job is stopping the pressure from doing things, they consider be bad right. In restaurants, case France, it was around. You want to stop the pressure for being too combative in the World John Bull and wanted to start the present from being too naive, in his view, too willing to get in bed with with bad actress who can't be trusted. In both cases, it didn't end up

the ball is leaving with all these seem foreign policy matters largely unresolved, which is, I guess, a problem for the next national security adviser. So what do you think ends up happening next and what can you tell us about who you suspect, the president will choose for their job and what it will tell us about? How he's thinking about those issues

right exactly I mean the the present said today that he will name somebody next week now I suggest he has. Perhaps somebody in mine and one of the names friends we ve heard is a guy named De Big and Steve Big and is a former Georgia view, Bush administration official, who has been present trumps chief negotiator with the North Koreans. I fully understand the importance of this job. The issues are tough and they will be tough to resolve, but the president has created an opening in its one that we must take by seizing every possible opportunity to realise the vision for a peaceful future for the people of North Korea. That would seem to tell you if he picked begin, that he's looking for somebody on the opposite side of boredom when it comes to somebody diplomacy, as somebody who is willing to

talk with some of these bad actors in order to try to negotiate some sort of agreement on your enemy picks different figures. Somebody who's more hard line like John Bull, maybe you'll see that the policies won't change it. The question we really would be more about personality and fit and chemistry, so we're looking to see who d choices because it will be towing in figuring out where the present will go in the in this next year before we election to Peter? Finally, what are you thinking about on this fine afternoon? Besides the fact that the daily calls you all the time now well is a really interesting moment in foreign policy, because we do have all these balls up in the air. We can't tell whether or not many of them are gonna. Come to fruition are not right. The present is talking with, or talking about talking with, North Korea, IRAN, the Taliban, Afghanistan, literally some of our greatest adversaries in history, biggest enemies, gray, his address

as if he were to pull off what he wanted to pull off. It would raise shape the World and America's place in it, but as a big, but none these are guarantee. These are all super hard super entrenched disputes that have gone through many many presidencies before without being resolved, and so he has set himself up for either a big when or a big loss, depending on how it turns out over these months to come I get a sense that jump on would like to tell the story of what really happened and I hope You will then share with us. I'm looking for listening to our them. A hearing, hearing story, what argued and thank you Peter. Thank you all the way back. What will returning to the workplace look like at we work? This call

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