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Monday, Feb. 13, 2017

2017-02-13

Where did Stephen Miller come from, and how will his views on immigration influence the presidency? Also, farmers torn between support for President Trump and fear that he might deport their employees. Guests: Glenn Thrush, White House correspondent for The New York Times; Caitlin Dickerson, a reporter for The Times; and Jeff Marchini, a radicchio farmer in California. For more information on today’s episode, visit http://nyti.ms/2kiWbsF.

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From the New York Times. I Michael Varvara. This is the daily today the sixteen year old, high school student, who held against spanish language in his California High school and grew up to become president trumps top policy adviser on immigration and as the White House, prepares to unveil new aspects of that immigration policy, the story of farmers torn between their support for trump and their fear that he might deport their workers. Its Monday February, thirteenth, about hundreds of individuals enter this country Do our immigration system on visas have gone on to do enormous harm to this country from nine eleven three SAM. Do you know, through the Boston bombing in a new and on and on and on it goes. This was weekend that America met Stephen Miller, the United States of America has a terrorism problem.
Why are you thirty one year old known for his thin black ties and his signature policy? Subject: immigration related hundreds of cases of foreign nationals entering our country from other countries and blotting attempting, even carrying out terrorist attacks on Mrs meet the press, the Sunday on ABC this week on CBS his face the nation and on Fox NEWS Sunday, there was Stephen Miller, Ann Arbor. To go on any show anywhere anytime and repeated essay. The presence the United States is correct, one hundred percent- where did he come from? Where did he get his hard right views on immigration and how will he influence this presidency? I might go Glenn Thrush covers the White House for the time someone Stephen Miller is still quite young, but his views go back a few years and their incredibly consistent, particularly when it comes to this She was deck America first mentality that he has
describe Stephen Miller, as they say, ten year old kid here I mean who want to Santa Monica Highschool his parents. He has described the friends, were L B, J, J, F K after mainstream jewish liberal Democrats and an he s top people his orbit that, as he skipped himself in Milton Friedman, all kinds of conservative offers it. He was reading as a kid he actually converted his parents to conservatism and they became
kind of Reagan Democrat, so we're we're some of the issues back in high school that Stephen Miller took on as a sixteen year old in Santa Monica Alot of identity politics issues in the state of California objective point in time it was through the hispanic, whites surge, and I think he was more a traditional lest in terms of whether or not mexican holiday should be on the calendar and in General Kennedy use of political correctness. I want to read a couple of things that Stephen Miller Road. As a junior and high school quote, there are usually very few if any hispanic students in my honours classes, despite the large number of hispanic students that attend our school. Even so, pursuant to district policy, all announcements are written
in both spanish and English. By providing a crutch. Now we are preventing spanish speakers from standing on their own Glenn. Can you help me understand? Why would be that this? Sixteen year old from a really liberal community Santa Monica came to hold these views on immigrants? You know, I don't know, and I think it it's a curious question he's been interviewed a lot about this. We talked with a lot of his friends and people that he grew up with, and it appears that kind of sprang fully formed on the fishing. Others would not that our common right when you grow up in an environment that is so overwhelmingly liberal, you know in a state that is demographically, changing, I think, is emblematic of their minority of conservatives. Regret the men vanity Stephen Miller goes off to do where he maintained. His reputation as a confrontational conservative activist from college went straight to Capitol Hill, starting in the office representative, Michel, Bachman and eventually
landing as an aid to the conservative Alabama Senator Jeff sessions. This is when he first shows up on the reader of congressional staffers and reporters like Glenn in twenty thirteen at the time, democratic and republican settlers proposed a historic agreement to allow undocumented immigrants to remain legally in the. U S, Miller had other plans have goal is to goals, I would say, were to hold. The first was to kill it dead. Right, second, was to kill the republican establishment that was selling his party's base white working class people out to the quorum quote. Globalist Miller gets a reputation for flooding peoples in boxes, with dozens and dozens of bombastic emails about the plan carpet bomb people there were republican surfers on the hill actually who have set their spam filters to filter out Miller's males and very frequently the subject matter really often settled into one set of
That was, foreign labour is flooding across the border, which is oppressing american wages, which is creating hardship for native born american workers. Its around this time, working on a congressional recent Virginia that Miller attract the attention of people like Steve Bannon that campaign just as much a sessions really brought together in a lot of these forces that are currently coordinated with in the West way. He got to know all right, Bart folks, so the way this whole stupid, which at the time a liver covering the house and send it, seemed to be on the fringes. But in fact what was going on at this point was a german nation of this group, but who were really tapping into something which would later become the top movement by the time. Donald Trump decided to run for President Miller is not just on board. He's considered political family,
really in the middle of toy. Sixteen. He became Donald Trump Principle speechwriter around that time. Midsummer one trump move from handwritten notes, rally the third problem, which is a big moment, I remember it, was a huge one of the top and just a short time. So speaking a voice, you will be hearing from the man who is going to say the United States of America. During the campaign, Stephen Miller, keen to have this second rule in the giant rallies that Trump held. Galvanise so many Americans how many jobs in our day because of our sanctuary cities and in working these harmony, moms grieving. Because our sanctuary city. It feels like Miller, is at its most intense and impassioned when he's talking about immigration, giving your job to illegal immigrants, giving your tax dollars to illegal immigrants. Putting your children at risk
now that the new business to the next phase of the Trump White Lighthouses America first agenda and it. Still secret set of restrictions on immigrant workers. What do you know about the plan without thought about that? But this is something I can call a class is the fact that Mr Michel has now turned his attention to the issue of heat personally cares most about which is guesswork abuses, and I think what he's looking to do is wait, some formulation that restricts it as much as possible without causing the same kind of harm that the previous ordered it. So then, I have kind of a thesis for you be
done everything you told me in our conversation here and what we ve seen are the hardline views of sixteen year old, Stephen Miller, which he came to four whenever personal reasons. Essentially now the white houses position on immigration. You know that's a really great question again. I kick it until we have is that when he was in high school, but I can tell you that in general, this notion of economic nationalism of America first is really the dominant ideology and the White House, but here's wildcard man Stephen now. I may have the presidency right now, but this is a president who has shown passively removing directions that he wants to move, and so I think the question is better for in this way even though it's three thousand one hundred and sixteen at one thousand and forty one a dot m on Sunday,
Miller's round of tv appearances. Mr Trump offered a clue. Congratulations, Stephen Miller. He treated on representing me on the various Sunday morning shows great job will be right back. America's by pharmaceutical companies have one very important thing: in common: a common enemy they're, making great progress, because Collaborating in ways they ve never done before in a man weeks. They progressed from potential treatments for cover nineteen to Anna bodies and antivirals that have shown positive results to several promised vaccine candidates get the latest of data, aids are made dot org slashed corona virus, because science is how we get back to Normal Donald Trump promised on the campaign trail to create a deportation force that would find undocumented immigrants living in the. U S. Are you gonna? Have a mass deportation for his own,
have a deep were taken force and you and we ve learned that for the most part he's doing what he said he do when it comes to immigration. People come up to me. They said dot you don't really mean we're gonna build a wall. Do you now? and I absolutely the one hundred percent for many of president trumps supporters. The fact that he is following through with his campaign promises is thrilling, but in the central Valley of California it is some of tromp supporters who are most dreading possibility that he will keep his word about undocumented workers, Hey Kalen, tight, Caitlin Dickerson is a national reporter for the times. Can you evoke the central idea of California for ME so the values this stretch of lowlands it it goes from sack. No down to Bakersfield and it's a place where far and dairies are really interwoven with the community's, so outside schools. Schools are surrounded by almond orchards, you're driving down the street and
One moment you're looking at the grocery store and the extra looking at a field full of cows. So there really is, crystal and in the same way, emigrants and and also undocumented immigrants are totally part of the fabric of these communities in their the vast majority of the workforce. On these farms and dairies. Some estimates say seventy percent, but There's you know when I spoke to farmers, they said, let's be real. It's really more, like a hundred per cent in this place. That unit for decades has had a paradoxical relationship with its conservative values, and reliance on people who are not to be here, so you talk to a lot of these farmers, one in particular really embodies all the tensions you're, describing
so when I was in the central Valley, I met a farmer named Jeff Martini, his user italian and his family's been farming in Le Grand for four generations. They have a pretty big operation now and they primarily grow redeem YO, which is this kind of a hard rough vegetable that I find delicious, but they grow a lot of other leafy vegetables and salad and they export them all over the world dish. They send a lot too to Korea, Japan. What is he like he's an intern guy I mean he's, thought a lot about politics and he identifies with Donald Trump really strongly, but at the same time he doesn't want trump to deport his undocumented workers and, in fact, he'd like for them to become citizens. So kind of is unheard of ideology and the Republican Party, but it exists in large numbers in the central valley. So he's real the only person that can quite explain it perfectly A year ago,
it's Michael. How are you like? I swear start because I feel like I want to get a fully get my arms around. Didn't the migrant workers who work for you when you get a feel for your relationship with them and how close you ve done with them over the years group on a farm outside this item, all my life at a very young age. I would working beside him. So I get the most respect for our employees, because that we work in difficult conditions. Hours can be law depending on the season in Gaza, you find that most employers. Definitely we can't get the job done without great employs. So I want to talk about politics for just a minute. You supported down Trump election, the I bought it for Donald Trump, yes, and why did you do that? You know I like that, spend it entirely building. This is incredible
thus he focused on the bottom line, and I think that needed in this country soon now these present in these beginning to put immigration policy in place. How would his proposals affect you end? Would you think of them? I think you know I have some money uneasinesses on what's occurring around. You know, I'm still very optimistic that we will be. We are going, we will be got. We are heading in the right direction. I love gonna say there's not some anxiety that comes along but yeah. You know what I see em, essentially of filling if the main building walls border under suggested here put more ice officers in the field, and
actually doing more documentation checks. That worries me because I need a steady, strong labour. The point so do worry that could ultimately deport some of your workers and for some countries I mean that I could very well off and I dont believe it can happen. I believe he understands the importance of migrant labour to California in California, culture. I don't believe so, but only time will tell when he was campaigning- and I'm sure you remember this. He talked about his immigration, Paul Is it all the time we talked about you, how he felt about illegal or undocumented workers and about all immigrants? So right now you do not care for a lot of these individuals who are running for public office. We see a lot of different things. Ok
so you didn't believe you didn't believe that he would necessarily do it. No, I didn't, I don't believe you necessarily due at the extreme. This of trap we know, is, he can be extremely in. He can do speak off the cuff easy going to deport those bad that individuals that aren't following the laws of the country. I hope so I really do hope so, but we need in others, a shortage of labour, so we don't needed deports those people that are currently working here and contributing and were falling lazo just here to work hard razor families in them a levy american dream. Sounds to me, like your torn between very deep frustrations, would the political system and the immigration system, but you are also on the other side torn by
your own business and by workers you really care about, and it feels like it's a pretty difficult position to be, and I would say yeah, would you say that your views are shared by a lot of your fellow farmers? I would say: yes, it does not have its traders labour. I think you no matter who voted for home. There's things. I've got out there. What are you gonna really happen, get on in the beef industry or I'm in the arms industry, and we we rely on exports and irreparable every trade agreement, the labour portion of it. So I think agriculture in particular, there's a little uneasy. Going on so the farmers feel in importing Kalen Dickerson also spoke with the workers Did the migrant workers have to say about their fears and if it comes to this. Do they think that the martinis of the world, the farmers their bosses, are going to protect them?
They do and I think the farmers are telling their staff that they're gonna do everything they can to protect them. Workers are certainly nervous that they say that their nervous, they all know a lot about Donald Trump and they listen to and and read his speeches, but at this time in the valley. They feel safety in numbers I mean they would say to me, look around we're everywhere house. Gonna get rid of us. How are they gonna gonna? Do it, and so I think, they're finding some security in at least two there I just it seems logistically impossible to get rid of all of them. What do we know about what Don trumps plans are, such as its ever possible to know his plans for dealing with migrant labors lake? The workers we just heard about, we don't know a, and he has a really big decision in front of him. I mean we know that in the end, the farmers are heartened by the fact that
growers, associations that they belong to? These are trade associations there talking a Donald Trump, and so farmers are really heartened because they think that means their message is getting through to the president and that he's at least allow migrant labour who work on farms to stay in the country perhaps give farmers an exception, but at the same time those growers associations are up against another really strong ideology in the White House and that's coming from people like Stephen Miller, certainly an ideology of Jeff sessions was now the attorney general, which is that both illegal and legal labour hurt the? U S to me that the more immigrants we rely on the more Americans gonna, be out of jobs I believe that american business owners and in particular farmers, are really addicted to cheap immigrant labour and that's keeping Americans out of jobs, and so they think of we deport boldly when illegal immigrants at reap wages will increase, and now
bring Americans back into jobs traditionally done by immigrants, including working in the field, and so Donald Trump? Has these two competing ideas that he is trying to way right now and make a decision and as her as the industry groups conversations maybe there's only one of those groups that in the White House and it's the side that favours deportation deportation and when we look at the executive orders that have come down so far, they definitely speak. More to that ideology. Theirs telling whether that will change, but for them when it's looking like deportation is more likely the non. Thank you Kalen anytime? here's what else you need to know today. North Korea launched a ballistic missile in what seemed like a deliberate attempt to test the resolve of President Trump, who has against such provocations, but afterward trumpet ever mention that country, while pledging his support
or a korean neighbours, Japan. The present spent his we and moral logger, which is now calling the winter Whitehouse golfing with japanese Prime Minister Abbaye as a private citizen trump used to criticise President Obama's fondness for gulf, but with two trips this month to his Florida, golf clubs Trump appears to have reversed his thinking. Finally, in the friendly showdown between Adele and beyond, say at last night's Grammy awards, Adele worn out with her single hello. She won for best album record and song tonight winning this kind of fruitful full circle, but she said she couldn't possibly accept the award for album very humble among very grateful ungracious. My eyes of my life has been saying, and this happens to me. The lemonade. Album is just so monument hello. It's me
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