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Monday, July 31, 2017

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Every day from before sunrise until late into the night, undocumented immigrants across the United States are being picked up by Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers, the front-line soldiers in President Trump’s crackdown on illegal immigration. Increasingly, the arrests are collateral: Officers detain people they come across while looking for somebody else. Guest: Jennifer Medina, who recently spent a day in the field with immigration officers. For more information on today’s episode, visit http://nyti.ms/2vdRpkR.

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From the New York Times, I'm Michael Barbara, this the average age before sunrise until late into the night, documented immigrants across the. U S are being picked up by ice officers line soldiers in president choice, crackdown on illegal immigration and increasing Europe. Our people off there's, come a wall looking for somebody else. It's Monday July. Thirty, first. sorry, What is your name
Naa Naa Delgado So what would what happened today? again related my dad didn't play my brother. How does this? How does this situation? If your father, I supported? How does that leave you held the household really not be here So you think you took office about sixty five thousand undocumented immigrants had been arrested, witches a forty percent increase over the same time period last year. That's a very meaningful increase huge,
My colleague Jennifer Medina recently spent a day in the field with immigration officers enforcing the president's new policies and doc. Their encounter with the Delgado family so went to Riverside California, which is about fifty miles east of LOS Angeles, and we were in power. A part of riverside that is quite world. This is not the sort of urban area people think of when they think of LOS Angeles. It's a lot of farms, a lot of small ranches people tend to have chickens and courses in their backyard and become a pretty heavily mexican immigrant community, mostly because real estate, there is much cheaper than it is worth Angeles, already is ready? so we immigration officers at four thirty in the morning in the parking lot of a hardware store, which is where they started their operation,
putting on their bullet professed drinking their coffee. I go ahead and freeze ready sorry and then they just sort of gather in a circle and go over who their targeting for the day they had six targets for that day was first, how far first target therefore, and the head of the operation with over details of everybody. They were looking for so who they were where they lived. What time they were going to leave their house surveillance yesterday suggested tat. He returns from a late shift, arrives forty in the morning what crime, had committed other sorts of things in sort of a briefing before taking off to go throughout the city. To do these, arrests dare what's out what time did you say he comes
and how do these officers find their targets? It's a little bit of a mystery. They were pretty hesitant to give us really real details on that. It used to be that many jails would hold undocumented immigrants longer than their sentence, so that immigration officers could come pick them up. That's now out in California for the most part- and so they say they rely on jail wreck. Words, they rely on tips to find anybody who has committed a crime in his her illegally when he arrives work soon, as he parks we're gonna, come up and affect the arrest right there and why do they start? in the morning, and in this case so early in the morning They do it in the morning is because they say it's safer to do it in daylight hours. People tend to be calm, their tends to be less crown. So one of the things that has happened California and elsewhere is that when there have been deportation arrests in the middle of
day many crowds around and people are filming and on their cell phone and they're trying to avoid that so they're trying to look for the most low key way of doing these arrests, remember officer, say, Do you know a? U dont, you we're we're all gonna go home today. If that guy gets away, would you guys get him some other time right? So so so just remember that good to go. What a load up my name, is David Baron? I am the field office director here, in LOS Angeles, for enforcement and removal operations prioritizes to go after the worst the worst, so there's estimated about two million aliens in just again, these seven counties of alone arrest everybody. So the greatest impact that we will be able to make on public safety is by going the most serious criminals version right.
No one was ok. I just I just that doesn't mean that I'm going to the fore person, they went after wasn't home when they got there and they expected it to be home. So most of the officers left that home and went to the second target Lester, They got a Roach Marianna, who is it before your old mexican national, who was convicted of drunk driving into two thousand eleven and then returned to Mexico and came back to the United States illegally, while since then he'd been arrested about four times for assault, deadly weapon. I caught your own railroad road, so a clear figure to
arrested and presumably deported by by ice agents. That's right! Somebody! They would consider a priority. Ok, so we're gonna move forward. We're gonna, get the house there's a team link fence all around this home, so the officer first just needs shout to try to get some day to come out of the hounds and a woman which internet plan Marianna. His mother came out pretty quickly and asked first. If the officers spoke spanish well, he answered that he did and told her to come out and bring her idea. And she did that incident. We will remember it six in the morning. She then her pajamas and confuse the cool
people showing up with guns and my house, our guns drawn or just holster one most of them are holster, but one of the officers has a rifle sung crossed his chest. So it's hard to miss so after the woman gives them permission to come through the gate and enter the house, the officer with the rifle stance, the side. Basically, watching guard and about four officers enter the home, and they're looking for Marianna when they're asking where he is Bill Delgado was the Father. At this point. The father has come out and he shortlist and again through a very obvious that he has just woken up and is quite confused about what's going on and he tells the officers look. Maria doesn't live here. He moved to Texas. Awhile ago we haven't heard from you in a while. You don't know anything about the officers asked if they were in the Tree illegally- and they
ITALY answered yes, the book prior. They sort of pleaded like without being asked any other questions with the officers who are saying that they were good people who work good jobs, they hadn't anything wrong they had committed in crimes is how they would put it The officers mostly dont discuss anything in front of the family. It's not until they walk outside a group of about four of them where they try to figure out. Ok. What are we going to do now and why are they having what seems but of a dilemma about what to do because the sun, not their right. The person who they're looking for isn't there, but they found to illegal. Migrants. Both this wife and her husband had crossed the border and been caught twice They were in the system already as having tried to enter illegally, got it and does that make both of them criminals
in the eyes of the Trump administration. Absolutely and that's why you know it appears to be. Maybe fifteen What are they going to do about this husband and wife, Marinos? Parents? So that's what they kind of contempt of the house to discuss, Interestingly, only one of the officers of about the death or a dozen or so who we were with was a woman and the woman was really the one in charge right at this point of deciding what to do and she's talked it over with her supervisor and says: look you know we could take them both. And another? One of the officers chimed in if the father doesn't give up the sun we're going to take him and they ultimately decide that if they take both, that means they need to call child protective services for the teenage Son which they don't want to do so because they feel that they will have little taken to parents away from their side there under age son,
from their under age. U S born citizens on a right which they don't seem willing to do could make the decision right too, to arrest. One person leave one here talk to watch a child but then serve that individual with a letter to have the report into our office them, so they can take their take their child with them, because I mean so that something that our officers Russell with everyday. Also so do we do you arrest both of family members and then called child partake ushers, so they define ok, we're going to take the father and leave the mother she's. Not a threat to society will taken her husband leave her to take her sign and will figure out What to do with her later and did they explain why they chose the Father over the mother to seems like an extraordinary kind of rule of the dice of who got chosen that day. I think it is, and I think it's a little bit the sort of general sense that mothers tend to be a caregivers, whether that
our data, it or not. It probably is true. In this family Fidel the Father was the one who brought home a bigger paycheck and that is something the family ended up being very worried about, but it is absolutely sort of a roll of the dice and a very subjective decision over who D taken which woven the funds, rested and it's actually very quiet the whole process. When he came out there was no resistance new shouting or anything you just sort of looks down and walks to this unmarked Van workers where Job and that a mile away they take him out of the van. Have him put all of his belongings in a plain brown paper bag and then chain him, with a belly Jean chain, his handcuffs to his waist he'll go back to the cemetery office and heavy process for remote. If he doesn't come credible fearlessly, does it could ask anything? He'll be removed back Mexico today
So when they get to the last Plenary Van pulled in Dallas therewith for other children and then They are given a brown back lunch of Turkey sandwich and an apple and from apple juice, and they sit and sort of a holding pen. And what did he look like to you sitting there He looked sort of foreign loan and confused and exhausted emails and he talked about how he had not felt danger up until this point. So it sounds like before this happened, which I guess means before present tromp was elected. He felt tat. His security as someone living United States was not dense re, even since the Trump administration he had did not know anybody who had been arrested. He said, of course, he'd seen things on the news.
But it hadn't happened to anybody. He knew so wasn't something he was sort of living in fear about so Jenny is what the ice officers did hear legal as best we can I mean they went into the house. Looking for this one target, the Sun Marianna, who had a long criminal record, and he found someone completely different, who doesn't have what we would probably regard as a traditional criminal pass other than crossing the border is that all proper and by the books it certainly proper and by the book under the Trump administration. What president trunk did is really expand. The term criminal and anyway He who has crossed the border illegally is considered a criminal and that's enabled officers to arrest many many more people under the last couple of years of President Obama. Anybody who had not committed a serious crime to
in, like a murderer, reap armed robbery was not considered a priority for deportation, and if an immigration officer came across that kind of undocumented immigrants, they would leave them alone. Essentially, now, that's not the case. If an immigration officer comes across anybody whose here illegally there almost always arrested. At this point so you're saying, because the idea of what is criminal has been expanded. That Anybody who is here illegally has committed a crime and if immigration officers find them that crime is enough to be arrest, that's right! So how often do they end up, arresting and even to pay? during these come incidental collateral figures like Fidel? It's hard no right now how much that has gone up and the trumpet administration they haven't yet really release
distinguishing the number of people with criminal records verses people without, but it's safe to assume that across the country, it's happening daily by what I said in tears, some medallions Aladdin he's on he's my world he's everything to me and gave her
her because he's an innocent man he's a hard working guy. He never saw working a matter what no matter what he gets up every day every day and for an innocent person like to get sick and that no he didn't deserve that. He didn't. You know we're officers, we have children, do and were human beings, and we know the impact that that has on age a child. When uniform officers come in and take apparent away. We know that that's gonna impact the child for the rest of their life. You know, but that's not our fault- that individual that committed a crime that year illegally, that's the person that broke up the fairy.
That's not that's on our fault, you know, so this is something that was previously deported. You know it's us, someone that has had enough, but you know that was here and I will attempt to dinner and was caught and deported they're back in the country illegally. So absolutely somebody that that shouldn't be here right now and the end there's consequences to them so is Fidel Delgado deported and back and Mexico. Now he is not. We went to the holder to top up the family one more time the next day and learn that he'd returned than the very afternoon that he had been arrested and he was back at work milking cows Friday morning. Why did not happen?
Was he let go so immigration officers saying that he was like go because he's not a threat is not deemed a flight risk and he's not deemed a public threat. It's hard to know, if that's exactly the reason it also possible. That is the sort of using him as a bargaining chip to get to the sun women, while the person that there really after is this guy a twenty four hour guy with the criminal record, if they perhaps there thinking, if we let the Father promotes, the father will help us find his son. Struck by a couple of things about the scene you ve, been describing officer Marin really seem to see these deportations and arrest as a pretty black and white issue of of the law and and right and wrong. But in the implementation of this policy there seems to be a ton of discretion, so
How do you square that, especially knowing that Fidel gotta was in the end released. There is a ton of discretion for end two officers and away there really hasn't been in years under the Obama. Precision. There really was quite a lot of regulations that officers were to routinely complained about and Other marine complained about that very day. Now officers have a lot more discretion over who they pick up and what they do with them, and I think for most cities officers. They see it as a chance of finally being able to do their job. They feel like they say, and up to arrest people who were here illegally and now that's what they're doing so they feel unshackled. They feel unshackled and its also possible that these officers are perhaps softer than officers and other parts of the country where the political attitudes are quite
FR I am much more hostile to immigrants. Probably none of them would call it capricious, but it certainly in the eyes of the boulder, if what they're doing as effective or the right thing, and I guess, with a whole lot of luck or in some cases. Bad luck involved. Absolutely a lot of this house to do with luck, firm and immigrants perspective. A lot of God unites on guy. You know you can call it allow this I was happy, I wrote her, the gay IRAN and I hold them. I like them,
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