From New York Times. Unlike other borrow this issue today, battle over. What kind of democracy would prevail in great prime Minister, Boris Johnson, seem to have the upper hand by cutting parliament out of bricks until last week. Mark live on the latest from its one September mark I I you Michael there

so you're in the year in the London go right now I am am you're on a landline. I am, I think this office is pretty quiet. I closed the door and I don't think anyone's gonna bother me. Oh, oh, you have an office. Now I got a corner offers a good two windows. I'm sitting here. Looking at double decker. Buses live in the dream. Ok, we're gonna get started our! U accord ok up, I'm recording, ok, some work. You just became the London Bureau chief after several years, covering the trumpet, mistress and being away from where this is quite a moment. To make that leap, I guess you could say is a little bit like the frying pan into the fire

metaphor, there's, probably more newsy situations you can parachute into a kind of hard to imagine. There are political fireworks in Britain this morning over a surprise, move today by british Prime Minister, Boris Johnson to suspend parliament now, here's what it will do. Parliament was supposed to set again on a Monday for a number of weeks, but instead this must suspend parliament the week of September tenth and it won't risk until October fourteen Justice, Britain is to leave the EU at the end of October, will say, insulted democracy and deny the Mps and timely debate Breton bullets done. That is completely untrue. If you look at what we are doing but bringing forward a new legislative programme no right.

So in our last episode about breaks it, we want for our colleague, Catherine Ben hold just after bores Johnson had suspended parliament and basically cut them out of the decision making process about how breaks it would move forward and Catherine talked about how that had set up this question about What version of democracy would prevail in Britain? Should it be the version that prioritizes the popular will of the british people who voted for breaks it with without a deal with the EU, which is why poorest Johnson wants or should the version. Democracy be allowing parliament, the people's representatives to play Major, roar in what leaving the EU looks like. So how has this all unfolded in the days since Moors Johnson made that move? Will, I think,

answer is that it unfolded resoundingly in favour of parliament as parliament reconvened on Tuesday, because remember, Boris Johnston, suspension of parliament doesn't kick in for another week or so there was an atmosphere of high drawn by members What the jobs of the Duchy turns out, but our children's school as a parent he's a very well hey. You behave like that in Prague, with Mps going Tv on the radio resignations of one nation until raid rents is nice is now one document bring me back complaining about Bores Johnson. Having committed a constitutional outrage is a constitution that rage. This is extraordinary. He needs to be held to account

parliament, not what shutting down parliament and all of this emotion, climax and, of course, one of the most remarkable things that took place during the statement was to see the member for Brok no crossed a flawed primarily You ve lost your majority, a member of Johnson's own conservative party crossing the aisle in front of the Prime Minister to sit with members of the Liberal Democratic Party, an act which deprived and in one stroke of his majority, in parliament. We have been waiting friends in Europe, these losing friends at home. His is a government with no mandate no morals and as of today, no majority. So after this very stormy start, the next thing it happens is tonight. The United Kingdom has been plunged into even deeper political chaos. The opposition joined

Twenty one members of the conservative party vote in favour of advancing this legislation that would effectively safe abortions. Johnson, you can't go to Brussels, and pulled Britain out of the European Union unless you make a deal with the European Union. First priority of british law makers, including some members of Prime Minister, Boris Johnson's own party, voted to stop Johnson's plain, leave the European Union without it Draw agreed not a good start in Paris, the eyes to the rights three hundred and twenty eight nose to the left three hundred. One, so the eyes of the eyes have it. So that's the first major defeat. He suffers in his term as Prime Minister and it's a big. There is no consensus in this house too. If the European Union, without ideal, no majority for no

in the country because it goes straight to the heart of what Boris Johnson said he would do as Prime Minister and that is to withdraw, over thirty first dealer no deal regardless of this situation, so when that one conservative lawmaker theatrically flipped on the floor of parliament, it turned out that was signal about bigger growing uprising within Boris Johnson's party over this approach, he was taking to break such dramatic cut parliament out and just kind of crash. This thing through that's right, and it's really very on President I mean the conservative party british parties in general have iron discipline so to see twenty one, lawmakers peel off and vote against the Prime Minister and the government is really a wholly unprecedented development in british politics. So from the very first session of parliament, the british me

understood that what they were witnessing with something entirely new in their modern political history and what Zack these underlying these. The factions and rejection of Boris Johnson I mean why is this so unwanted that even members of his own party are rising up against him. Well, the basic fear is that if Britain withdraws from the European Union with no agreement in place overnight, it will cause a multitude of major problems. You could imagine trucks that transport food and medicine from Europe into Britain being stuck at the border in Calais in France. You could imagine chaos at the airports, as people who are used to travelling back and forth without passport, suddenly face the prospect

of having to show identification you risk in short, havoc havoc that could really hurt the economy, but could also further polarized the debate over breaks it. So I think even within Boris jobs. This party, which remember, is a party that wholeheartedly supports the goal of pulling out of Europe where the idea of pulling out in this disorderly, abrupt way just scared a lot of the members of Johnson's own party, and that fear is what motivated this rebellion, but to these twenty one rebels he's setting Britain on a course that they feel ultimately will be economically and politically destructive. So they view their role as saying hey, wait a minute. We want to deliver breaks it, but we want to do it and Sponsible Way, and this is not the responsible way to do it. So how did the

to respond to this rebellion to this move in parliament. Boris Johnson does two things: the ruling. Conservatives are in turmoil, boys. Johnson S kicked out twenty one members of his own party after they voted against same disease control of the parliamentary agenda. First thing he does, he carries out what you almost if the cause stalinist purge of these rebels? He kicks them out of the party I wouldn't they bore. Johansson, really had the worst way coming here. He is he's. No. He lost every one, obvious first votes in parliament, which is unprecedented and he purged twenty one people in his own party because they didn't support here. I mean, and I think it's kind of turning them that and it leads to this extraordinary tableaux of these concerns of Mps, some of whom have served for decades, some of whom are elders of the party

having these emotional farewell speeches in the house when you have the grandson of Winston Churchill Nicholas sums, the speaker not standing at the next election bus approaching the end of thirty seven years service to these ties, of which being proud and honoured beyond words to be a man, I'm sure very sad that it should end in this way Speaking very emotionally about all the years he's and in parliament the have titans of british politics like kind of Clark. Is the father of the House, a former chancellor of the Exchequer, a man who, well, I've been prime Minister himself recognise your party tonight he's been taken over by a rather knockabout character. Who's got this bizarre crashing through philosophy in charge talking about

legal situation and a party that they no longer recognised that because the most right we cabinet anything to everybody's ever produced by the Prime Minister comes and talks. Rubbish, and so it was this really dramatic moment where you saw pillars of the british political us fishermen just suddenly knocked down in the most brutal fashion or why were the Prime Minister do this Two members of his own party briskly inflict this kind of death. To his own members. At a time when he to imagine, needs them more than ever. Shouldn't you be closing up to them, you would think so, but about all were Boris jobs and wants to do is to send a message of ideological purity to his pro breaks. It voters to tell those voters that I'm gonna rid the party of anyone that

stand in the way of getting Britain out of the European Union. So this was less about settling scores with PS, many of whom he is known well for years. Served with really more about sending this emphatic message to the hard core pro breaks, it constituency that increasingly drives the conservative party and saying we are knocking. Let anything slow us down, including These internal obstacles to this is very much in keeping with the Prime Minister's message that This is now his party, the conservative Party, the party of the people of the bricks of tears and, if you're not with me and if not with them, then who nijio Try it basically is ambiguous its emphatic. He does not leave himself open to any charge of being soft on breaks. It ready to do a deal right

the compromise, so you said that there were two things he did. What was the second was the second thing I did ass. He called for a snap election. The country must now decide whether the leader of the opposition, or I go to those negotiations in Brussels on the seventeenth of October. This out. He said in a fact. I think the only way to resolve this impasse is to go to the voters if they want what I've offered, which is a swift exit, Europe. Then they will give me a mandate to go to Brussels and do that if they don't want that I'll be defeated and someone else can go to Brussels and what the Prime Minister can do that he can call for an election whenever its politically convenient for him and try to change the composition of the government that might stand in its way. Yet that's one of the prerogatives

the Prime Minister and embarrassed Johnson's case he's viewing this that a couple of ways one if he wins he So popular mandate to go to Brussels and drive hard bargain with the European Commission and presumably emerge with a better deal for Britain Animal practical level if he wins they'll, be more Conservative party members sitting in parliament and some of the bad arithmetic he's been facing on votes related to breaks. It become much easier for but there is a wrinkled all this, which is that, although he is right to call an election? He needs a two thirds vote in parliament. To get an election scheduled Oh, he has the power to call it, but he still needs to bring a majority of

existing parliament behind him in order to make it happen. So do these tactics work for more chosen, expelling disloyal conservatives and threatening an election that could give him a mandate and weaken opposition. The short answer is no because the very next day everything goes against him on and on and on and on and on another order. It back as a surgeon and president of Howard University, Doktor Wayne Fred.

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to move ahead with the election. The thing he was hoping would break them Jim, would give him the mandate. So basically, this all backfires it all backfires. He loses more votes any incoming prime minister in recent british history, and he finds himself in far worse shape than he was before. All this started. And that leaves the bricks that situation where exactly well. It leaves, frankly everything in a state of paralysis and confusion by the end of the week and London, one of the questions on people's minds were: would bores Johnson simply have to resign wheeling? Well, if you take the prime minister at his word, can you make it for me today to the british public think you will not go back to Brussels and ask them

that delay to break that yes, and so young and regional I'd rather be deadly. Ditch hate party all about bricks. It he has said he would rather die in a ditch, then have to go to Brussels and ask for an extension of Britain's departure. Yet, as things stand today, that's exactly what Boris, jobs and will have to do, and if all of this were not enough this week of back to back defeats Boris, and had to endure the indignity of his, brother, Joe Johnson, who is also a member parliament and a minister in the government announcing that he too was gonna resign because, as he put it, he was torn between

Family loyalty and the national interests of when you planning to, as I have to say, has been an honour to be people during the three governments, but it's time to move on and I gotta get to work. The passing sorry, I beg your pardon, but this is a very tight knit family. So the fact the Joe Johnson felt obliged to take this step really says something about the depth of his concern about a no deal breaks it about the course. His brother, Boris Johnson? Has the country going on so just to be clear? Those people opposed to Johnson right now in parliament. They are insisting on going back to the European Union to go. It's some kind of an exit, and so, if and is unwilling to do that. He might be out of office because the question is: is the EU willing

actually entered these kinds of negotiations. Aren't they pretty fed up with Britain? At this point. The EU is completely fed up with Britain at this point. They believe that they had months of good faith negotiations with Boris Johnson's predecessor Teresa may they offered her an agreement. She brought that agreement back to parliament. It was overwhelmingly defeated not once but several times and there's ab alertly, no indication from european officials that Boris Johnson is going to get a better or different outcome, then turn some may did and whether or not he holds an election is being largely dismissed in Europe, Their view is we have given Britain the best deal it's going to get an if Britain doesn't want that deal it's time for them to simply leave. What do you make of this remarkable sequence of events, your for your first for we

as London Beer achieve. Well, there's a couple ways to look at it. One is that this is just a SEC. Ways of overwhelming chaos, confusion, paralysis, finger pointing So, on one level it looks like dysfunction. You know ANA on a grand, scale, but if you big beyond that of you sort of look a little closer. What you see is that It was really a week in which the checks and balances in the british political system really worked. You have the prime Minister and, with this hard line, even reckless approach to breaks it embodied in his decision to sit spend debate in parliament to sort of circumventing the normal functioning of parliament by sending the Mps Home, and then you ve got this coalition. Of members of his own party and

opposition coming together to put a brake on the Prime Minister to head off some of these most extreme outcomes and that's kind of what makes british democracy so unique. That there is this said conventions of folk ways that impose a level of moderation on these foreseen things, and we really did see a victory for that in parliament victory. That was not at all clear when the house, of commons, convened at the beginning of the week, you're saying that, even though this all looked specially chaotic that actually, what we just saw was democratic institutions holding functioning and succeeding. But of course, the other way of looking at this anyway. Boris Johnson, I assume looks at it is that the will of the people has just been subverted that they want breaks it with or without a deal.

And that parliament would you just described as the kind of assertive functioning of democracy in Britain just stood in their way here? That's right, Boris, John His argument will be. I want to go to the people to put this to the people and these Mps. Britain's political elite is standing in the way of popular sentiment, and that will be the core of the message that he brings to the british public as he attempts to turn this situation round. And how are you feeling that the british system is holding up compared to the marriage? system that you know so well. If we put these two democracies side by side, how does it stack up well The thing that is very striking to me in covering

rebellion in the conservative party is to compare it to the Republican Party in the United States, and there, of course, you see. Barely a handful of Republicans who have stood up to president from this is a republican party That is one hundred percent under his control? He is engineered a total takeover of the Republican Party. I think Boris Johnson tried in the past two weeks to do the same thing over here. I think rebellion shows that the part

wasn't going to stand for it. I think it is also fair to say that the Boers Johnson's, having a tougher time in his populist crusade, then Donald Trump, is in the United States Mark. Thank you very much. Thank you. After we spoke with HAWK another member of poorest Johnson's conservative party resigned in protest this time, a top minister in his government Amber word, who said she could not sit by and watch what she called Johnson's quote: assault on decency and mark receive or their back.

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