From the New York Times- unlike all about this, There are two hundred and eleven Republicans in the House of representatives this week. Just ten of them voted to him. each President Trump for his role in the attack on the capital. Today, conversation with one of the newly alike representative mire of Michigan it's Friday January fiftieth, so so congressmen. This has been quite a First week, for you have you gotten used to being called congressmen, yet I know she's been a few days. I think the the the statement that a lot of especially ass freshmen members, ask each other is gonna. You know when does it hit you?

When does it feel real now, you're part of governing body at the federal level that you're one of four hundred thirty five representatives in Congress and I have to say when we had to flee in armed mob from the House chambers at every became real very quickly there. What I'd love for you to take me back to the days before that congressmen two January third, and I can imagine that it's a bit difficult to get back into that head space. Everything that has transpired since? But if you could go back to that day that I believe is the day that you were sworn in as a freshman member of the United States House of Representatives. What do you remember about TAT Day and how you were feeling how we have incredibly diverse freshmen class, especially a very diverse freshman class of Republicans. You know, I think we looked around it at the group

those who were in orientation and looked like America and that you felt hopeful like we were here to chart the next path of of the Republican Party and of the conservative movement to to work on policy forward. Substance If your governing concerns, I have had a number of conversations with colleagues doing during orientation. In saying how you're Why do we park we partner on that? You know. That's that sense of of can hope and optimism. That there's a way that we can really leave our mark as a as a class. You know that was the hope going in did. Anyone. Those conversations stand out you with your colleagues, I don't wanna betray any private conversations and in discussions, but you know, I think, we're seeing political

lions is when it comes to policy areas where there's a good amount of overlap right. You I'm a big proponent of served in rank ass, a soldier and spent time in Afghanistan working in humanitarian aid. A big fan of winding down these complex of putting an end to our forever wars and found colleagues across the island. In some of my own side too, who also felt very passionately about that. So I think there was a number of areas, environmental policy, recognising the realities of climate change and in working on ways that we can help stem the tide, There would be unimaginable a decade ago, but I think we're in a different political. Quality on a lot of issues and into me. There was a great sense of hope that you know we could be a class that's coming in with with fresh ideas and

energy so you're someone who was hoping to work across the ILO in the dynamic. Republican, who is committed to get wars and combating climate change, which, almost by necessity, would seem to suggest that you are interested in and trying to build bridges to the other side and holding fast to account were there are substantive disagreements, but always looking for a place where it doesn't fall neatly along party lines, but I that think that was that was part of the hope going in but really the first thing. Anyone was probably gonna, be paying all that much attention to was this vote, you and your colleagues- would have to take on this third day an office, a vote that would ordinarily be a formality to confirm the results of the presidential election turbines, victory and electoral college, but which, of course, was very fraught this. Here in part, because so many of your fellow Republicans, your new colleagues were set.

that they would support, present trump and object to the certification of binds win. How much were you thinking about. How you were gonna cast your own boat into that day and about how the rest of your party was gonna, be casting their. yeah, I'm in it that d, the rhetoric and the narrative in the public was wildly out of step with you know what more serious minds were just thing, you know in the halls of Congress, in a lot of my colleagues who were planning to object to the electoral college certification. Most of those objections, hinged upon in interpretation of article two section, one clause, three of the constitution around the time or place manner the elections and how state legit

teachers had primacy in the in determining electoral processes now that it was an argument being made selectively against six states that the present had lost. not being made in a dozen plus states that he had one. So I had issues on the consistency, but you know allow the folks who were arguing to not certify the electoral college, resulting civically Arizona and Pennsylvania ended up being challenged with a senator joining, so they were brought to the floor. I wasn't that this was a massively fraudulent stolen election knows. Much more grounded can our keen basis, but with with understanding that this is an attempt for us to kind of talk more about the process. That was the feeling inside the chamber. That was for the conversations, and then you know contrast that with president trumps, twitter account you know, and you see how come two worlds of thought emerged

You know that the world that said this was actually landslide victory for Donald Trump, but it was stolen away and changed and then votes for flipped in dominion voting systems and they just kind of go into the fever swamp of of conspiracy theories. No, that's what that's! What a lot of the supporters of of the President with Colton and that's where you know some could argue, although we must stop the steel, we just meant again. We don't like these electoral process modifications, but that's how came crossed we'd commission. You sound like having quite sympathetic toward your republican colleagues, in the house who chose not to certify the results, do you think that those arguments and sent him genuine on their part, I think for some absolutely again, I have I have disagreements. I do think some arrived at those conclusions and in a genuine away. You know it's.

Because I think there is support undeniably contributed along with the president's claims to a pretty. Why spread consensus among Republicans that was baseless right, that the election had been fraudulent. You really don't think that they were operating primarily out of fear their constituents and of the president in making these objections. The I'm not chemists To its in their hearts, I know that I was watching the the president's speech on January sex. I was watching the speeches that came before it in of the the threats from members of the trunk family that if we didn't object in and try to change the result, There was a tremendous amount of political pressure going into the electoral college ratification. I thought it would be one of the toughest votes of this term because

how many people were colony in and sharing oftentimes times easily disapproval? Facebook screenshots or sending a report as they will have read this and I've looked into these citations arrive. Well, I've actually called that clerk, and you know it just how much got it a fine and it was a kind of a game of factual wakeham. you know you would push back on one thing, such as well, sixty of the sixty one cases that the Trump campaign you know they lost and the one they one was Very minor and there was a temporary stay and then the push back is while they were dismissed due to a lack of standing. Ok, I mean that's a response, but that's also not a good response. Well, He was all the wise preferred over how come even the president's lawyers were not arguing in court that there was fraught and

You just find me a law enforcement body that has actually substantiated any of this, an investigative body, a court of law, you anything that we can can point to in a credible manner. But the point is, I mean a lot of our constituents felt that this had been stolen election because people they look to entrusted told them. It was right, including most people, including members Congress. You seem to be nibbling around the edges of this, but I just want to say that really clearly, you saw distinction and what your republican lives in a house where up to they were concerned, about a process. Frankly me, when voting during a pandemic or whether it was done properly, but the way There are concerns were being interpreted by their voters and, alongside the president's the claims was that a massive fraud had been perpetrated Joe binds. Victory was fragile. And I I just have to say

feels to me that many of these colleagues of yours must have known that. That would be the impact Then you can't really divorce what they're doing from what the press it is doing and say, oh D. They had a higher minded approach to this. There is a reason why I voted to certify both there's a reason. I signed onto a so Pricing Lee cross ideological letter, stating We believe that the challenge process was unwise. I think the individual arguments. I Dan, how some could make it it was when the collective argument became something completely different. You know that the whole, was a more dangerous version of the sum of its parts, sensing that very early on you. Are already figuring out how to navigate. your way in a republican party where you and

your views are in the minority it. Oh, there was immense pressure and then again I'm not. I don't want to come across that anyone individuals vote was influenced. solely by one thing or the other, but I had come eggs who were resigned to the fact that they may get paid married because they wouldn't vote to object to electoral college ratification in one state or another this will guarantee them. They would fall on the wrong side of of in out of office. Donald Trump. hundreds of millions of dollars in the campaign account I'd. Another colleague who expressed concern about that, colleagues Emily and their safety. If he voted to how he would be interpreted if he voted to affirm a stolen election. Yes, I think there is just a tunnel pressure from a variety of angles, them myself

I am concerned myself- that this would be properly a potential Fatal, I thought I could survive it, but a potentially fatal political vote. So that's why you talk about what led up to January. Sixteen that's where our heads brat, because it was certainly it. Would you on the wrong side of an outgoing president? who had made it a mission to demand loyalty. It's pretty remarks The thing that you had come to the conclusion that your first big vote, a vote to confirm Joe guidance, victory and electoral college, could basic We continue to becoming a one term congressmen. It could be the beginning of the end of your career as alarming, Then there is also no solid twenty months to be able to try to bring it back and it so So that's where we're out on that day was a list.

about the rest of that day. Tell me from your perspective. What happened on January? Sixth, so the day every day I believe, I washed in my office. The outcome the few constituents I shall in the morning and made sure that they understood why I was voting to certify whatever electoral college challenges were brought forward. You try to get them, it is somewhat senators would actually sponsor what they watched. The president's speech at the ellipse. I want some of the speakers before hand here we had had our staff most of our staff working remotely because we. assume there will be a large gathering and and wanted to to keep foe safe. I had brought a blanket and a pillow and some whiskey and

snacks, because I thought this could go all night and dynamite have to sleep in my office. I had spoken to some folks were come out to the start, the steel rally and had told them, please you'll be safe. Here you have every right to too common in petition, but yeah I'm. I was worried the possibility of violence more just because of the crowd size. I definitely They didn't imagine that what would have later that day was even a remote possibility. Ok, so you you have your whisking got your pillow, you are ready freezing the office it along lies understood. So so so what happens? So? What do we want over the vice president gobbles and the joint session? A lot of the members of the house? We have to go in the Senate Gallery or their house gallery now, listen nurse had a little bit of your primacy on the floor. They all come margin in.

Starts kind of going through the states alphabetically and we knew Arizona was, can be the first one that had been threatened with a challenge and then the challenge came, and then they made an announcement that there were three folks who had entered the capital. They didn't know how many shortly later they said, there's been tear gas deployed in the rotunda. They told us to grab the the inhalation hoods kind of a gas masks put over your head with the to run it. You know, in the event that there was more smoke or tear gas coming in, have no idea how effective they would have been. But you know that was what our orders were, after that they told us in a kind of state rob never get a little bit lower than where they were concerned about the possibility that you have some

try to open fire into the the house chamber, we started to hear banging and have thought that that banging what now, the House chamber, doors, kind of being sealed someone's going out, they're closing the door again, and then it became pretty clear that that was people trying to to get in to the House Amber in order was made to evacuate. I was up and the gallery, which is your kind of all balcony section- that around the chamber with a colleague shall we we grabbed arm ass. We he walked out and when right hustled into an elevator officer, pressed sub basement, were walking through tunnels occasionally will seek. capital, please sprinting bias. We gotta, you became a group of about three. you're, forty lawmakers that did no we're going to know what was safe eventually after about twenty or thirty minutes we wind up in one room which ironic

it was the same room. I got my covert shot on Monday and then wherein there are closing the blinds, stay, quiet, don't tell anyone where you are in your phone after fifteen minutes some and police officers com and say we're gonna score. You do the next to another room. and eventually we gather in a committee hearing room and that's where most The members of the house who had been on the floor at the time- that's where they We were sheltered for several hours. I am mindful that the background in the military was that informing at all how you or digesting all of this you know none of us have weapons.

the thought that just went through my mind is we're. Walking is what happens if we turned a corner and there's fifteen or twenty folks russian towards us. What happens if this this angry mob encounter? bipartisan group of lawmakers, some Republicans who voted who are going to vote to certify some who were I'd, are had colleagues that had death threats against them because of their vote to sort of They said they were going to vote to certify calling who had been harassed on the streets by folks who accuse them of trying to affirm a rigged election I dont know what would have happened that mean that was our concern, but the only thing I could they control and what I give a lot of my colleague credit for, as we know, never to stay. Calm made an effort to make sure We were reassuring folks, who were rightly panicked at the circumcised. Since, in that we just stuck together in a couple of

Colleagues, I remember at every turn we both gonna make icon act, and it was clear we're all you know very suddenly saying we're together. Ok, I gotcha buddy, checked buddy check, buddy check, We now know cholera that some of your democratic colleagues were at that point already starting to think about, and even draft the article of impeachment holding present Trump accountable for what was happening, You are, I wonder. If the question of blame and of the president, rule in this attack on the capital, with some that you are starting to think about that early on. I, like I said, I'd watched his full speech. I had watched him call. Those of us we're gonna vote to certify weak Republicans. I think that was part of his.

charge to the the protesters. The folks who are marching over was too to have them the force us to have a low, but a courage mean that You know waiting, we the seen that the type of language and then to me, though the breaking point was when the president's video came out of four seventeen p m. I we were in this, many hearing room? I'm ninety minutes that we're in there nobody knew what was going on. So me, we we're very much on unkind of tender hooks and his fiddle comes out and it's just kind of almost thanking the people. His tone was was appreciative. It was supportive. He gave a little. Ok, let's go home, but there was a your special. We love you look at what great I mean.

I just remember watching their video, and that was a moment where, if ever there was a time for for leadership for four visible leader, if there is anybody who could have stopped or put an end to the violence that was occurring if there was ever a timer country in this chaotic moment, were people glue to the screens, watching it just insane footage of police being beaten. That was the time for, for a president to take centre stage. You know tat to assert law in order to to say enough is enough, and instead we got that video. I suggest that was that there was a kick in the stomach.

In that moment, did you think about impeachment? In that moment, I thought the president immediately disqualified himself. I thought that every every creditable accomplishment All the efforts towards peace deals in the Middle EAST, all of the economic revitalization that occurred, pre, covert, operation, warp, speed All of that which could have been you know, cemented him. Some very favourable comments in the history books go wiped away at it did do erased all of that, because the the images from that day that that set everything.

So at a certain point, the capitals cleared and the decision is made that you and your colleagues can return to the house instead of chambers, to finish this certification process? Did you think, then what had happened there? My change the minds of any of your republican colleagues who had planned to object to the certification of buttons. When I had hoped that folks would see, I mean just the fire that was being it was- and I think several senators did I mean many of the objections that have been raised were withdrawn but not many, but not many house members. There were handful

I like I get it. I mean that the names were sign. Drapers statements have been put out, they ve been talking about it on social media. Wasn't the easiest thing to to undo but died. I put it this way? There were a number of folks who got upon the floor and gave the same speech that night, all brain. Well, there was a crime scene investigation and a dead woman, the blood drying couple of feed outside the door They were given the same speech tat evening that written this morning maybe a throwaway line about condemning political violence bright, I mean just the the dissidents was of staggering right. Let me let me ask you this worry. disappointed by the number of house colleagues who, after what has just happened,

day after their own lives had been threatened, went on and voted to object to violence when they purchase a disbelief. I get the sense that sometimes especially especially if you're running in strict where winning the primary means you win the general you you get these feedback loops and where but you're tired, we're talking you're talking politics and I get that, but I'm asking if you in your heart of hearts were disappointed. This task. Can I go back to politics What do you remember thinking? As you went to sleep at night?

turn that very very long time, and I don't even know if it was night. When you have eventually got to sleep. I felt an immense sense of pride that we had reconvened that the message being sent. Was we're not going to? Let you take this right? we're not going to be scared away. We may have had to flee before, but right now we are here to finish the job before us in and uphold our constitutional responsibility. Yeah I was, I was angry. I was just had this injustice his heart broken feeling over everything that has happened that day, but still a sense of pride that we, you know, we didn't let that new ruin the constitutional process

you know that their window broken in the house chamber and were still there finishing the job market, up, the glass I went back and try to an elevator and I'd, say you're, can't take this elevator. It opens into an active crime scene right, so by the time that day was done. You know just fell asleep on my couch around other to my office, run for thirty, a m and didn't know what the days ahead with look like Britain did you drink any of that whisky? Yes, I have a couple of colleagues. We had. There were nine freshmen and we who voted to certify both states, republican freshmen of and certify Arizona Pennsylvania. So we

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you do you want me. To be honest, she said yes, and I said what is your publication stance and printing profundities and she said there were a family publication. In that case, I'm fucking livid. now, the only thing they waited in the article was: what is your stance operating profundities and then the prevented? But when I have expressed my feelings that the president had had disqualify himself at his actions that day were Rankly unfit in, and I kept kept waiting have an old fashioned view on on leadership. You take accountability. For happens you, even if you didn't directly do it, if it happened under your watch. If it was something that you contributed towards me, you you take accountability and in just was left waiting, The article I think, they're a couple, a different impeachment articles that redrafted the one that speaker Pelosi ended up.

Selecting here. We saw that if it was Sunday night and read through it, and allow the folks who had worked through and tried to understand the electoral college process and a kind of pressure test that from all angles we trying to run ideas by each other and enable here's kind of what I'm thinking. What else should I be considering a mean? This is that there is no precedent for figure. out what a seven day impeachment looks like for a president who arguably incited an insurrection that ransacked the capital, so I knock life. I've haven't slept a lot. I haven't even a lot they'll go through a day and realise that one meal in I mean this. Is It was honestly a sickening feeling of walking.

at this moment and knowing that I could try to Vince myself, that the timings not right. I could try to convince myself that you know, even though its political. process that you know, we should still have more opportunities for due process. I could try to convince myself that, well, it's not going to change the timing when the president leaving office, you know I could. I tried to convince myself of that night, but I just couldn't I respect my colleagues, you know who take those positions, but in my heart of hearts I just couldn't So you tried to talk yourself in a way out of voting to impeach, but then you kept coming back on our part myself into vote. Was I didn't want to think about what some forces I well This is just going to lead to more divisiveness or were worried that if we do this, there might be something bad might happen. I didn't want to give the insurrectionists veto didn't want to give the assassins veto didn't want to give the hecklers veto the primary challenge, its veto in any kind of came back to the fact.

Reading the article of impeachment was that, to the best of mine An accurate summation of what occurred and his impeachment, appropriate remedy to send a signal that the president's actions and behaviour were unconscionable. and at the end of the day,. I had to say yes to both It is not lost on me that I'm not only occupying a sea that was most recently held by a member who voted to impeach Donald Trump after leaving them- look, I'm sorry. I just an empty. I'm just a marsh, but also received that from that In forty eight nineteen, seventy three was held by Gerald Ford Present afford you showed grace and he showed political courage in pardoning Richard Nixon and that that

decision cemented his his defeat was reviled at the time I think historians more generally agree that it is, now viewed as one of the most important moves, if not the most important move to get the country pass Watergate and try to heal. But in that case I mean Dixon had resigned and end it accepted responsibility for the actions that that's led to his resignation. So I this desire- The show grace and and say that we have to move forward, but the fact that I still have colleagues saying it was a stolen election. The fact that the president was still saying that the fact that the president hadn't accept any responsibility here to me. Unity has to come after ass to come after accountability,

if we just try to paper over these devices they're still going to be there. You know, if you, if you don't let that wound air out. If you don't, you know clean it. It's going to faster and in my respect, colleagues who think differently, because it something that I go back and forth on, but again in my heart of hearts that if we don't talk this head on. If we don't look too ill to to get people who leave that dominion, voting systems and Hugo Chavez and in north korean ballots in Cuba on. If we don't We don't have leaders who start to tell them what they need to hear and not just what they want to hear. Then we're in deep trouble and in what We face that trouble now or in twenty years. I would much rather bite the bullet and, have you know

and of reckoning with reality and twenty twenty one then push that off, because otherwise it just inevitable- and I dont want to. Back on January. Sixth, ever again, I think what I'm here, you say, as you are a person with spires for grace and forgiveness, once there is punishment and accountability, I go it's almost like it, but words in my mouth unscrew. Only a hundred percent. I mean that's where I believe and forgiveness you know would, but It cannot just be blanket tolerance and a Campi tolerance of an assault on the capital. Five people are dead, I mean a capital police officer was bludgeon to death with a fire extinguisher. I mean this. I think there is a lot of folks who want to move on because staying here forces introspection? That is painful, and I think that any

action is is necessary. I think that that interrogation of of how we got to this point, understanding bad- and I am not just talking about the legal investigation that the Department of Justice opened are not talk about the FBI's. Doing I mean the She will honest to goodness: look in the mirror and say? Is there something I did that contributed? It is now I look in the mirror and say I should have pushed back earlier on claims of the stolen election right. I had the fig leaf of an I truly believe this, but saying you never cannon the right to mount legal challenges. The rhetoric was irresponsible, but you know until that Electoral College Safe Harbour day. And I was the day that I said that now Joe Biden gonna be present. I like that Would be our next president, I use a month

after the election and are still one of the first handful of of Republicans to say that if the, if that's over read that you are voicing now. Can you more forcefully say that you think that your colleague should have gone further as well. I don't. I dont want to to speak for how others arrived at their decisions, colleagues, that I I think of have betrayed their oath, those that, I think, should should feel a sense of responsibility and shame of our are not the ones who are found. An argument and use that argument to vote no that I disagreed with, but those who had been repeatedly.

Energetically and emphatically lying the people who look to them, who trust them and who supported them. That to me, as is contempt, you, are in a very unique position where you are experiencing of close just how difficult, it seems, is going to be for the United States too back from this to have unity when, as you say There are many people who believe in their heart of hearts that you betrayed a president fighting to save democracy. When you see your action as its own fight on behalf of democracy. I think it's hard. The Emotional attachment, the feeling that a lot of of the most fervent supporters of the president, the feeling that they had

is that this was finally a leader who who cared for them back is the same people they felt looked down on them and hated them look down hated, Donald Trump. In that sense of alienation that sense of isolation. That is something we have to grapple with. I mean this. I people who think that then plenty make this argument, and I think it's true. The people think that Donald Trump somehow created the situation. Wherein I mean this was for somebody who saw a lane, trends. Were there my charge, my the thing that I want to do the thing that is in a harder to do today, because of the vote that I cast yesterday, Is to be able to reach out and connects with those people and say you know there is a home

but we need to get on the same set of facts and I'm not. urging you know how you arrive at your position, the people I judge, The leaders who misled those masses the amount of fund raising off of stop the steel. Hundreds of millions of dollars, And in what ten million spent on legal challenges? I'm not exactly Your pollyanna individual in Iraq. I was an interrogator right. I mean that was those interrogated folks I and it was the most had given them cigarettes and other conversations. There's Nothin Nevada, rising, but in Afghanistan I dealt with some really awful situations and I'm not sitting there looking at in our humanity, is Spain, some yell. bright shining,

a paragon of excellence, but it just is, sounds me. I am. I am astounded by the sheer. Small level with cynicism that I've seen and to me I mean that. forcing that cynicism out into the open forcing it to have a reckoning. Yeah, there's some folks who were On the table and stop the steel and also more like whenever, of course, Joe Biden won the election. Ok, can you be a little bit more clearly, right. I mean we view, need to tell your supporters who trusted you. You need to walk them through. You know, if you believe this tell us why You don't believe that now tell them. Why? Because the fact so many have lost faith in the media. They ve lost faith in every prevailing institution.

it's not good for the country. It is not a picture that ends well. Let's talk moment about the past while consequences of these divisions that you're describing because you certainly notice the FBI has pretty explicitly said in the past. Forty eight hours. That as a result of all of the threats. violence that have happened in the past week that the homes of Congress people are considered targets right now. Do you fear for your safety I am aware that I am living under an increased threat posture in eyes. That's what I was in Afghanistan I lived essentially by myself I mean I had some on armed guards who opened the gate, but in downtown counterparts

I mean I was very aware that there was a latent risk out there in there. things I could do to raise my risk profile and increase the likelihood that someone tried to killer cadet me in there are things I could do to try lower that now I am. I am thinking through that same process in realising the I knew that those of us who voted to certify would have a bit of a target on our back. I never thought that impeachment was in the realm I think there were seventy any of us who voted to certify the Republicans in Congress, voters fortify both their ten of us who voted for impeachment. I too small number it's a very small number, already had some call me were planning to show a thousand people, two thousand people up at your house this weekend. I don't are you said that on my block, I'm not even there, but the lasting, I want to do. Is I mean

understand the risk that I'm taking for myself, but I dont want to put any of my family members and in that position, because I doubt if there are consequences that I should be the one to sell for that, but an maybe it's, because I'm kind of a stubborn this way not to be too flippant. But I've said this to folks to try to cheer them up in different places, but if no one's trying to kill you do you have. At that's pretty dark humor, abrogate until now to folks in Afghanistan dealing with death threats and trying to figure out if this is just a disgruntled employee, are they going to wind up and was arrested and I'd? So, if anything a mean, it shows that there's somethin there's something there were fighting for an eye in this process. This is first first, ten days our eleven days now

been an exercise in finding people who, I think, views this word to describe like one or two people in my entire life, but who are truly patriots? I have given no consideration to their political fortunes. little consideration to their personal safety, and and the consideration to whether their oath of office and their loyalty to the constitution, given everything, that's happened and everything you know now. What do you want? You we're Republican Party, the one you're in to look like for the next eighteen months to years of your term. what do you want what you want to represent? What do you want it to be? What you wanted to do, given what we have just been through. I wanted to be honest with itself. I wanted to hold those hers

Barnes both for what happened on January sixth accountable. I wanted to rebuild trust with its supporters and have those supporters be able to trust their institutions. I think that when I talk about accountability mean that's that's what I'm talking about. is that the folks have profited an unseen electoral success based on this. This moment but who can ways that have have fundamentally damaged the electorate and those who supported them, in I'm not. This is not a bride side against all of my colleagues but there are folks who are you know.

That I dont know they could like said Anne meditate, because I dont know what type of thoughts would can I come in. I made this that the people who always emotion because. I shouldn't try to armchair analyze, but I just I hope we can take the steps necessary to be able to earn the tree Most of the voting public cuz about that now or do you have going again about your predecessor, Justin a marsh who left the Republican Party. Do you think congressman. That there could come a day where you have to decide if the Republican Party is actually the right party for you. And this is where our approaches differ:

like hell or high water, to get my party to where it needs to be. I already know what I'm gonna have to fight for it, and I should for beef, clear. I mean in this sort of rhetorical political sense, but to me I mean it's, though: the foundation Neri principles work. They were a cult of personality. those organizations don't last very long. There is a natural expiration date and the charge is to make them. Eddie one that can be sustainable. That is not going to run off a cliff. Well congressmen. I wouldn't

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