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Russian Troops Advance

2022-02-22 | 🔗

This episode contains strong language.

On Monday night, as tensions deepened between Russia and Ukraine, President Vladimir V. Putin sent troops into two regions in eastern Ukraine where separatist forces are friendly to Moscow.

With dispatches from our reporters on the ground, we analyze why the crisis has deteriorated in the past few days and whether the orders are a precursor to a wider war.

Guest: Valerie Hopkins, a correspondent based in Moscow for The New York Times.

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Relying he's down the day before I'd lending keys, the country's capital and joined my colleagues who ve been reporting from the ground train is expected, since apart fool with refugees fleeing, they ve been in the east, sending dispatches about rising tensions there It does feel like from the russian side. A kind of case for going to war is being established, even though the public at large- here, I think, is really just now prepared for this kind of warm. You know that today, when we, I spoke to one of those colleagues Valerie Hopkins about what led to this moment. what's coming next
it's Tuesday February, twenty second Valerie. So I write in Kiev on Sunday in its turn out to be a very significant weekend in the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, walk be through where this most recent escalation began. Where did start so it all starts in this region of Eastern Ukraine called Dumbass, where Pro Moscow forces have been in charge since March twenty fourteen, they violently took control of the government and set about trying to create their own statement. I remember that fighting really well, because I covered that war pretty extensively in twenty fourteen, and it was really violent at first, but then it just settled into this slow grinding rhythm will exactly after them.
the fighters on both sides Doug into their position. Sometimes they loved mortars back and forth. People did die, but it was really slow burning, but starting on Thursday, it started to feel different. Thursday morning we started to see reports that there was intensified, calling on the front line and the shelling hit a kindergarten and the civilian school and actually injured some ordinary people, and by the time I call it got there. It became clear that that wasn't the only place being shelled that there was actually showing all across the front line. So by Thursday evening. clear, that this was a serious escalation and the shelling only intensify it. On Friday, artillery shells were hitting civilian targets, I call again for Kramer was on the front line interviewing civilians, who said they had been hiding in based hiding there be and very scared of escalation, and
same time, the: U S increased their estimate of russian troops, putting it at one hundred and ninety thousand russian troops in and around Ukraine's borders. Open up. and then there was a series of events that dramatically raised the stakes. Neighbourhood, ideal I was on my way to go and check out some of the four thousand plus areas for shelter like bomb shelters when there was just an explosion, announced and then so I can for my plans, I'm on my way back to see if I can figure out. What's non right now it looks like it was just a car bomb, but the russian media is playing in the ports that began to emerge that a car bomb had gone off in the centre of done. Yet this self proclaimed Capital of Secessionist Republic, and there were reports that this was the are belonging to the chief of the security services. Their rumours immediately began to spread on social me,
He had channels that were loyal to these Moscow. leader saying that this was evidence of Ukrainian attempt to you know, escalate tensions and invade. In the other republic, fellow Husk people's republic, there were reports that a gas pipeline had exploded. which would be very damaging and within hours. Both leaders announced that olive Civilians of the women and children living in these two republics needed to be evacuated immediately urgently to Russia. Whilst others are three things ban vandam bright in a row, yes and everything was happening so fast. As my colleagues and I were trying to confirm the car bombing shortly thereafter, there was news of this pipeline explosion we can't get into separate US republics, because they were very strict vetting process for journalists and they do not want us.
Looking around there to see what was happening, but we were already looking out for signs of what is called a false flag operation. The way The state department have been warning for weeks, if not months, that part of any build up to further russian invasion of Ukraine would involve a false flag attack, which is something that would be designed by Russia but engineer to look like it had been perpetrated by Ukraine and when we started looking into these incidents, it turned out that This car did not actually belong to the security chief, and this video that were circulating widely of the gas explosion was actually something from a totally separate incident that happened in July or well so months before yeah, but the people were being evacuated. Nonetheless, and you know I've been in Moscow watching all of the news for the last few months and the state owned channel.
Have been preparing the russian people for a possible war by showing images of suffering citizens in these two separatist republics- they ve been you know talking about even using the word genocide against what who estimates to be four million people living in these two territories and anything that would allow them to show that there was this suffering. of their people and a humanitarian crisis that they need to step in and protect, and that's exactly what we could see from the image to have started to emerge on Friday, night of civilians, women and children strictly. over the border in buses being put up in you know hastily improvised tent camps. You know sleeping altogether hundreds of people on costs
you know. The images are quite alarming, but the problem is that you know the ukrainian government has repeatedly denied any plan to attack this territory any plan to you, no further inflame tensions, and while we are frantically trying to confirm these reports to do, I moved to idle calls. President Joe Biden addresses the american people. We have reasonably. The russian forces are planning to attend to attack Ukraine in the coming week becoming days We believe that they will target Ukraine's capital key, a city of two point: eight billion innocent people we're calling out Russia's plans loudly repeatedly, not because we want to conflict but because we're doing everything in our power to remove any reason Russia may give to justify invading Ukraine and prevent them,
the movie to be where you are just Joe Biden say that he believes that couldn't has made a decision to invade, and that includes attacking Kiev, a city of twenty million people, and I don't know what to say I think a lot of people in Kiev and in the rest of the country will not really be sleeping while tonight. So. What happens next Saturday morning, I woke up after not a lot of sleep found.
Violence comments and got on a ukrainian military plane, to go to the east and see the frontline for myself, and we we ve, to the east. And then we got into a military convoy heading to the region of super damask, which is one of the last towns along the front line. Separating sort of ukrainian held territory from no man's land held by the Samara frontline. We were accompanying delegation of ukrainian ministers and parliamentarians, who are also visit front line in a show of solidarity and, as part of a fact finding mission- and I was with a group that was like, by a party leader from the President's Olenska Party, who had like Presidency Lansky, really been tamping down any kind of comments, especially Eric and comments that that a war was eminent that Putin and made up his mind to invade families in Europe
in everybody's in your brain we leave normal lives. We have no extra, you know security measures and so on. Six kids, six gets right key in case. You know who you are yourself, a refugee, so with him and a small group of other international journalists, job one is the sweetener dark, we went to a tiny military outpost that was in the village of novel, the HANS Care that had been shelved that war and actually one of the mortars that had come over from this separatist fire had injured one soldier whose arm would have to be amputated, and I interviewed the commander of the local post, which, before the war was just a place where they repaired old tractors, and he basically said
this has been happening. This is going to continue to happen. We are not returning fire. We are just going to endure it because we cannot afford any kind of pretext or any kind of message that were involved in this, and also we don't want to damage the civilians. their side. You know the ukrainian government still hopes and maintains and aspiration that they will re incorporate this territory the separatist held territory back into Ukraine, it's about seven percent of the country, so They showed us these holes in the ground, for the mortars had fallen and we had a short conversation, and then they told us it was time to go the registry and remove male could on the show. And there was this intense rush. It wasn't clear to me what was really going on, but they said you need to get out of here right now on you, but it's not so we all jumped into the car that was being driven by this
the eight year old soldier Denise and he just a forlorn and almost immediately on the place where we had just been standing ten seconds before we could hear an explosion. You could go to Are you running again and then another one and then another one does the fourth one says, whereas an Dennis was just saying just be com, it's gonna be ok, be calm and he was just driving fast ass? He could, over these potholes roads to get us out of their as more and more shells started going off
and then we got back into the town, and we went straight into a ukrainian military facility where we had to see cover as more shells rain down. The shelling has just continue to intensify its no stopping. I think I've counted eight since we drove away and it later emerge that my group was not the only group that had to run and hide from this fire. Another group of journalists accompanying the defence minister also had to see cover, I came under fire and all
this is happening as the world is watching Ukraine, and also watching Ukraine's President Bloody Marisa Lansky leave the country the day after President Biden said, rustles poised to attack and go to the Munich Security Conference where he delivered a speech or he basically said Ukraine wants peace. Europe wants peace, the world's says it doesn't want to fight in Russia says it doesn't want to attack, someone is lying. We'll be right back. hi unchristian minds are and I'm the host of innovation uncovered upon cast from industrial q. I am thrilled to announce that
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figure out who wrote it so we tried and clean it got interesting from cereal production and the New York Times. It's the Trojan horse affair, a mystery and eight parts took it out where you get your progress salary. What happened after that day of intention, well on Sunday. There was other ominous sign in Russia, but is it the infrastructures in Europe? The Baron Russian Ministry of Defence announced that do too unrest in eastern Ukraine, military exercises that have been going on joint military exercises, in Belarus with russian troops, which were schedule and on Sunday would be extended indefinitely does so, and this for all of us who are watching caused great alarm, everyone had been looking at Sunday as a day that could prove decisive because we had repeatedly heard from Russians and also from the belarussian leader that, once the excesses were over, the troops would go home, and this was
ominous announcement was no end date that the troops are gonna stay there I mean it's Russia's biggest international deployment of troops since the end of the cold war, Ukraine has a very long border with Belarus and not only that, but some of the exercises were very close to Belarus is border with you And that's only about a hundred and fifty Miller away from the capital of cave, ok, so for what you ve told me you're, seeing Russian. Purchase, firing shells to the ukrainian side and then Ukrainians you're talking to her saying they're, not firing back, because they can afford to escalate the fight with Russia. Yet Russia's using the unrest in the east unrest that appears to be completely driven by russian separatists as a reason to keep its troops on the ground in Belarus. Yes, the Ukrainians are pointing out actually that we haven't seen any credible evidence of
billions in either of these two separate has held territories being killed but reporting by me, and my colleagues on the ground has shown that there are soldiers and civilians being shelled and even killed almost every day on the ukrainian outside of the territory on Monday, my colleague Mr Cramer Doc in one area near the separatist region that have just been hit by twelve more shells I'm in the village, in the aftermath of mortar or artillery strike earlier today and windows and seventh houses around had been blown out. Their branches on the ground. People are so in a glass. You should ask us We visited a woman. Richer submerged understand, yes, impose one. You have Mamma you. What was that?
and when he spoke to her, she was so anxious to is totally shook up more, as you know, and she showed him a video that she made while the shelling was going on. Is it your daily Betty, payload staves? while, as you can see how scared she is, as it were, footballer forget your power for furniture. At a certain point, you falls down your mama, better hurry. You should do it at another point: you you're the whole video just goes black and you can hear her calling out. For her mom you're more Europe
sorry. Monsieur Le Maire should work Euro, but both slowly out, I'm sure they ve hit they ve hit. My house and then was aiming internationally and I see later the day. But are you couldn't delivered a fiery, our long speech, something that will create about Ukraine, but you want with it wasn't glimmers? There's you know his sight pressing all of his grievances against Ukraine towards Madam Vice move. But could you just keep was expressing why he basically things that Ukraine's doesn't really deserve to exist the member states, do not reproach decisiveness done, he's saying its creation of soviet leaders, and you know he stopped trying to lay out an argument for why Ukraine is actually not a great place,
live, and why throwing your life and with the west, is not what Ukraine should be doing really Zuzu Sugar in Europe. in writing ET the monastery of cherishing near the end. He pointed to these eastern regions where there's been so much unrest and where thousands of people have been evacuated. Last five days, he accused the government in Kiev images of not honouring these people's wish to. speak Russian and their native language and he said, We sat or do you not see the gutter, but you gotta go it's a budgetary made when the government in Kiev is committing a genocide against these four million people while the west turned away and pretended that I didn't know about it, That was why music somebody suddenly than you can that old, ladys public. It look SK nettled, Liddy Spook. He would honour the requests of the two separate test leaders to recognise them as independent.
Public's and signed a decree with both of them present recognising them. The women of the blue only but this somewhere mutations in weight you make of that. But we were all wondering what it could be: You know and we got a partial answer. Less than an hour later, when the Kremlin announced it had ordered Russia's Defence Ministry to deploy what they were, calling peacekeepers into the two republics whose independence potent had just recognised. So if there is any question about what the last four days were, building toward, it sure seems like now at one thirty nine m and keys that they were building toward what
like an invasion? Absolutely as we speak, russian soldiers are rolling in to what constitutes seven per cent of Ukraine's territory, And we don't really know what they're going to do. Next, we don't know they're gonna stay there with another is the beginning of a long, feared full scale, russian invasion of Ukraine. But if this escalates- and if this results in a foreign invasion, it's going to be the largest military action Europe since World war. Two- and we don't know where this is gonna- stop but important speech. He made it clear that this is about more than just these territories in the east. To the hard you usually whisky. He said that if the ukrainian side, we did not de escalate
see, activists who is the complete responsibility for the possibility of a continuation of bloodshed will be fully and wholly on the conscience of the regime ruling the territory of Ukraine to the agreement, and that sitting here in Kiev has sent shivers down my spine and I think that, in spite of many of the people watching them Valerie. Thank you. Thank you. Sabrina. on Monday night, the United States said it would impose economic sanctions on the two regions. If Ukraine that Russia has now recognised as independent, but the? U S, stopped short of imposing
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