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The Abortion Wars, Part 2: The Illinois Option

2019-04-18

Four states have passed laws this year that effectively ban abortion after six weeks of pregnancy, and others, including Missouri, are expected to follow suit. Some Missourians are crossing the state line to Illinois, where abortion access is protected. We spent a day at a clinic in Illinois with three women who were getting abortions. Guests: Sabrina Tavernise, a national correspondent for The New York Times, and Lynsea Garrison, a producer for “The Daily.” For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.

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What did you do in the clinic? What I did was called so people who call in then we would talk to these people on the phone and we had explained all that to them the hero the state of monsieur where you could not get an abortion, but here was the state of New York, where he, by an airplane, you can go to a good clinic therewith obstetricians, weltering dogs, traditions You couldn't go there in the morning and you could come back at night. Does that kind of thing people this did how about that? I'm all feel what, where some of the stories that they told you you were talking to them. My mother all kill me and oh, I can't go to to that line of people, because my sister down their protest against abortion, yellow
And believe me, this girl, who said oh, I can do that, is the girl who'd next week will be walking in that line. You just can't imagine how it used to be it till it hits shoe. It's always it'll. Oh, you shouldn t do that, but when he sure Emily. All of a sudden you wake up. A new realize it. Sometimes there are Other answers. It's not going to solve your problems about a guys think about their you're hurting health somebody arise from the New York Times, I'm Green, a tavern. You see this is the daily guys. Now soon I kill. You know that today, The second half of our story on abortion in America told through two states Missouri or it's going away.
In Illinois, where its increasingly protected you're good people, but you do in a terrible. Thank my guys. Don't do this. In the first few months of twenty nineteen, the fight over abortion has taken a new turn. This prim court has changed and now read states that have long wanted to ban abortion are seeing an opening one in their favour about a guys. It's not your latest, wiser babies, heart beating ladders And you'll always be as daddy millions of years. No way? Thank you so much Last few months alone, four states have passed. Bans and abortion after six weeks, that's before most women, even though their pregnant thirteen states are following suit miseries one of them.
She seemed to a man who is totally flipping her off give those babies have further Some missourians are turning to Illinois because their own state has made it too hard. we produce a garrison. I went to one abortion clinic rate across state line in Illinois around its called hope clinic from women operating sharpish. We spent the day there were three different patients. Who are getting abortions are it's Thursday April eighteen Haven't you chapter three, the patients we get to the clinic in the morning, I'm busy Do you take a pregnancy path?
That's right! Ok, it's not easy. It's very busy That will be eight a m. So we need you two shower, where comfortable clothing eat before you got here once you get, you can not consume anything other than water. If you, instigation. You must have a driver with you either way there has to be a car here, see not be dropped off and that we have hazards that liner sidewalks. They are not allowed on our property and then expect to be here for sixty hours on the day of your appointment idea. Many questions are excellent Lucy on Friday, the thirty first that India, him you're welcome. There is still think are from, when they come Azeri, quite a bit
From his area, I would say it I'll, just guessing, maybe like sixty to seventy percent emissary residents It's always been majority Missouri and my mind ever since I've been here. We walked to the back to see doktor king. The head doctor I visit the sort have taken these chart idea Ok, Canada, communication named Tiffany. Take your paper the Council ask Sir, if she sure, and then I'm Two hundred percent confidence is the right decision. For me. I'm glad, though this next part is just going over. Forms. I'm gonna play recordings than a return with you on
You can just go through an initial by everything. Sending you done him. Any fucking apportion risks, benefits and alternatives. Women who are pregnant can decide to continue or end the pregnancy and, depending on the outcome of the pregnancy, can then decide to beer and replace the child for adoption. You need to consider your choice has carefully able to make the best decision. For yourself. I understand researcher shown mature women experience gangs of relief and have no major grant after an abortion. However, some women may do experience guilt, sadness, depression and or a grand following an abortion just as they may experience these reactions in Africa I understand the feelings can reach the actions of any about information. Now I would like smoke cigarettes before you. Can do that you in my office, Ngos opposite
The fund has now set out looking for good, and so we follow Tiffany outside of the lobby. Menus, the right track and then, Now I come back then downstairs to a little bit outside the front door of the clinic was quiet there, almost immediately responded by a protest. Her. Can I watch this is first degree murder.
Maybe you don't know me and you have no idea what's going on in there. You thank you do and I respect bad, but it's not what you think I have no fucking choice of you can get out of my face all your girl in my spare right now. And that Definitely ready. RO after the day's going to be over. You know I can go back to my life and focus on my ford. Your own daughter, my career and, what's your job, that's
Ladys she's call pretty quickly. We watch you walk away her blanket draped across her shoulders when Tiffany found out she was pregnant. First thought was Maybe you could have a son. Surely has a fourteen year old daughter, but she'd been addicted to operate. Until recently and she knew a pregnancy wishes. Too much for her life right now. Our time coming up with the money for the abortion changing around six heads sixty dollars Sid selling her most valuable possession on Ebay for eagles for bulkier, but then she got a grant. After Tiffany left. We sat in the waiting room looked at all the women anguish, and then we spotted a guess book with entries from patients who pass through.
It's ok, baby, don't be sad. Can try again just not right now always remember love. I wanted to have a baby, so bad finally get pregnant. And I'm high risk for a miscarriage heavy bleeding cramping, let class time getting an abortion. It's too much sad ass, one. No one knows your situation and what you have been through the best decision for yourself No one has walked a mile in your shoes to let any one judge you, because they aren't perfect themselves on your head up high make the best decision for yourself much love, Tiffany,
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wherever you get your pockets in basque or distributors ink. Oh, you really have a common people here. He might be other issues there's a patient is by happier than issuing about in doing a thing that I thought I'd like to day and then we need sound. She with her mom yeah, while this is she small, baggy sweatshirt with Cropole here, how long and even blue? Well it changes quite often, but I think I don't believe in blue for couple weeks, partly for if we walk with her down the hall to another small and we checked the levels on a microphone this morning. I had Apple Jack Sand, a girl of arm, so in the way
asked about getting pregnant having to tell her mom. That period was late. I was like hey It hasn't come yet. Like our. I won't just keep an eye out. Let me know as soon as you get it, you know, if not another week pastime. She is woke me up one morning issues here. I got you this. You know I got use pregnancy dust best time. Do it's right when you wake up so here Just do it right now: owners and cocaine. I did it and you know within thirty seconds that came up positive, Cried in. She hugged me in choosing it's ok, we'll take care of this. So. That's very lucky to have around for it and then the doktor, Sam's mom come in and looks like you are really help me.
More incorrect, no problem. It is pretty boring. So the first thing they give you a copy of the commission. You have already signed now, I'm going to sign a copy so there you're going to get to keep a copy, and it has my name and signature for your own records hooker this. So this one you're gonna swallow for me: ok, she's tibetan areas. That's enough. At present this is your antibiotic asked us to prevent infection. Now it appears that they are absolutely anyone,
So you are so they just like that. It was over. She could go home, however, especially like I was told her. We all make mistakes and I told her not to let any one judge her make your own decisions and what ever her decision was that she decided I would be behind her one hundred percent, because I love her and she's. My daughter and whatever is best for her. I don't think this is something that people should do constantly, but I thank God that they made it available that we could do this
and that this worked for her and it was kind of harm, walking up of people outside, say other horrible things when they feel like it was horrible trust me I had to the girl, deep because there was a part of me furthermore, mother dare say that about my daughter? Don't you dare when I went back outside my grandma can change of mind you're killing your gun, Maybe right now, no, I'm not for you to stay up there and just my daughter or me or anybody else here who are they. I told her. I wondered ass, a person he could honour ignore put there. I am, I don't listen to me. I mean everybody's imperilled, their opinion, but as high up his bright closer together,
we struggle believe it or not. We actually struck on our relationship from really do, but I think she knows that. I think she always knows her mother always either no matter what it is I love her and I mean who knows my mother loved me with our heart arose. She could bend down here with me or not. I couldn't be that way for her I'll, be there through everything thick thin. Health reasons over whenever she's, my kid and I'll be there for her. I think I think this is valid brought us a little closer. By making do with them too.
Thanks Ladys nice to meet you, What does she had mental health issues and her boyfriend, who was eighteen, had had problems too before she came? Hope Clinic should go somewhere else for free consultation. It was something called a crisis: pregnancy Centre, They run by antiabortion activists and they told her that sometimes people, need a baby to get better themselves to straighten out their lives and SAM thought that was crazy ruin. Everything set up in here so that our doktor king thus the room where the surgical abortions take place, realising our instruments
nl than here things checking checking things routine. Things like taken in making their sure there's often Ipad Human That's when nurse Pat walks in TAT very popular merited a verbal anesthesia asking that half the things you say If there really go, we, u songs little benefit of the people. You hold their hold their hands. I hold in bodies, I took them in. My arm have analysed. To my heart and then tell him, I'm your grandma and their life, then here for you. I can hold you here. I can hold you. I can do this or I can just take like this.
And Pat reaches out and wraps Linsey in her arms for a demo, you're doing great asking so proud of you And then I go, I just get it. Location of Sabrina who is in every now, and then we need another patient Sabrina the centre, a real man. She should be out like five minutes or so she's just had her abortion and just resting on a chair. In a hospital gown and surgical cap little beggar primary. Having your son I'm hungry for appetite has been huge,
so she ate several meals in preparation before the procedure Jack member of one of the key to our two by means of that, The Alamo Amazon's, whom I when I got somebody to lay all before. Ok, when she found out she was pregnant, she knew what she didn't want. Women work is right now, dear ones An eleven there before, where our. Kids just want the right time, so I feel like this was best I feel like it should be. Okay, if that's what you decide to do, when it all boils down to. Is that you? mother is always the mother. Gotta action. The If I may well do, that is to say, the same duties is too much Fight love. Was there my four hours than ITALY Papa?
like I literally almost had a mental breakdown, and my mom had to get my son's like a couple weeks to me, because it was just too much if you don't say Then they went away you so many keys on a street or always the best will happen, because people have kids with no one to take care of or raised in the first place. This is about asking you raising a person to be. Suppose they and his crew whirl, there's horn. Is this your little boy ass? He decided to do. This is my choice, Thought now forget about it was his name shimmer. He asked my mouth raises those. Why am I I think very but I think I mean I was alive for love.
Remain attended at this time. Sabrina a single mom. Sons, father was never really in the picture. She works in a warehouse, shipping, good, for online orders, shoulder She wanted to get out of her town get a better job. You knew that having another kid would make that hard you here, it's been forty six years since Roby Wade made abortion legal in the United States. I was like your twelve, so incredibly, common do with it. Now I was right and one
before women gets one. I was horrified because I didn't want to have a child. With this ban. We decided that the best thing is not to have a baby right now, but even if you get one that doesn't exactly mean you like it, I went back and so much about even telling anyone or you will support people who are fighting for it. Complicated, outnumber alumni on abortion, drove around the state. That's what we heard over and over again people's views. There not consistent curious about their contradictory me as your question, where reporters and we're doing a story about abortion, you think people are more excepting of it or less, except. I personally think it's my
egg. Thank you so much so I got there again I mean it is. Murder is a baby s, heart beat so I mean obviously you a long time ago I had had an abortion, but I was going through A lot of hard hard things just because a woman gets an abortion doesn't mean she's gonna vote for it Doesn't mean her family will either like, should it be made like do you think it should be well, I guess at me I mean trillions of any withdrawn your baby even though it helped you certain pointing out yak as I don't like the way I feel now afterwards,
I mean it. I didn't really have anything, and I have to talk about these, like you know her life, but I'm really glad you. You made the choice that you did in that you had a choice as like what kind of like hit me like recall. These matters When it what you say- and I feel like that's the normal experience, is you have no idea, it is something people now until it and thought then its deeply personal. This is why it is so high.
Politically and why abortion has remained former, but this is the kind of person that makes me more furious at any one to say it's ok for me, but it's not ok for you. I ask of you with about the contradictions she said. It's been that way ever since she started working on abortion rights back in the sixties, I find that absolutely to be the most awful attitude It's just an awful attitude to say it's ok for me, but I'm not gonna vote for you to have it. I can't understand it, but that's the way. It is. What do you think is gonna happen, Vivian, I'm afraid to say what I think is going to happen.
I was really. I really thought we had it made. I think eventually we will lose, the boy. Should I really do isn't surprise? No, it is not surprising to me. I find well bring me feel very brief, Much like I'd waste involve a lot of time. What was I do? I thought I was doing. Good A growing number of states are beginning to pass laws that would immediately ban abortion. Rovers Wade is overturned, turnkey could become the first Eu Fbi without an
where's clinic and our modern, our Joe, the color, is poised to sign one of the most restrictive eel higher governor signing today. Would critics condemn is the most restrictive abortion law in the country and the Mississippi. The governor signs a bill banning most abortions as soon as the baby's heartbeat is detect. Theme is already houses path. Along the bill, that would be an almost all abortions in the state. Should the? U S Supreme Court overturn Rovers is weighed. There are no exceptions for a woman. It becomes pregnant because of rape or in says viewing. Not that the future was looking more and more like the past and she's kind of right, states are passing laws that until now had never gotten traction, they considered legal dead ends. There would end up in court would die, but with a new Supreme Court that matters change,
it baby, one of those cases would mean the death of rosy weighed and if its overturned, abortion is no longer nationally protected. The map looks something like this: it is third of the country, it's legal in one, slash three of the country. It's not, and the rest is up for grabs. Missouri would be a state without abortion. And in some ways when you die across misery today that he'll true
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