In the world of intelligence. There's this old adage that there are secrets and mysteries secrets are something that one government hides from another mysteries are things that your intelligence community can answer for you, the different. Matters to our intelligence agency like the CIA, because if something is a secret, then it information they can go out and find or steel, but if something is a mystery, there is no information to Gatt and this outage has come up a lot in recent weeks- really a crucial question as- Intelligence agencies are looking at where the kroner virus came from. Did it come from

lab in China and does it these government. No one is that a secret that's being kept, or is it a mystery that nobody knows from the New York Times Couple borrow this is today daily in the absence of a clear explanation for how the corona virus started. Several theories have circulate today, Julian bars on the chinese lab theory,

it's Thursday. May seven Julian tell me about this theory that I know is taken hold payment across the United States about the origins of this virus we'll cut of a vague theory when you hear people Talk about it, there's all kinds of different versions. Did it come from that infamous Walcott Institute a virology and if so, how will we find out there's versions of animal slipping out of a lab and wool Hon. I know we ve been saying that perhaps they the virus got out of that virology lab by accident. Was it really, or a worker having it

on their clothing and taking it out that, because of lack safety protocols and in turn, was infected later infected her boyfriend and then went to the wet market, whew Hon where it began to spread there's a version that talks about infected animals be disposed improperly early research than just human picked up the krona virus from animals possibly bath. But it's not clear how the virus made that jump in all this sort of swore almost like gossip, but all pointing to a lab. In you can understand why that theory gain traction because there is, a level for lab, studying, krona viruses, airy strain of krona, viruses that unleashed this global pandemic. So that much is true. There are actually is a lab that studies, the current iris issue where this outbreak again yeah, that's right

it's not by a weapon lab. It's not for nefarious purposes, in fact, is for a public health purposes. They study corona viruses for the hopes of protecting people from them, but the fact of the matter is there are deadly strains of virus inside this lamp. So these theories that are all talking about. They made it to the White House The White House, pretty early back in January, back in January, Matthew Passenger, who is the deputy national security adviser, started asking for is about where this came from was an accident, we created in the lab, and what is the response to this question that this senior officials asked well about this time? As the White House starts pushing for this information and the CIA is concluding that China, is not being honest about

the numbers in both on province. The death toll in China has risen to fifty six people. That's fifteen more deaths in the past thirty six hours, the start briefing. The White House that China is Miss stating understating the numbers. Nearly two thousand people are infected here and wisely that important. I was speaking to a european intelligence, Visual? Who said you know when the numbers first came out of war on, they were making estimates of how dangerous this disease was based on that. But then, in February, covered had to tell in protective gear doctors work round the clock and compare the situation to a war zone. Your half system, no matter how good, how efficient, how modern, indeed sooner or later, will collapse because the number of patients is

high for the resources we have, the virus hits ITALY ones and the mortality numbers there were way worse than what was reported in war and ITALY has the highest mortality rate anywhere in the world with any thousand. It started to look to some people like seven. The chinese government was trying to keep a secret. So if that is the case, what else says China been lying about? That's the question joining us now it was right, and if China has lies about mortality rates and more than they could be, about everything right in the minds of intelligence officials. If China is lying about their numbers lying about their mortality statistics.

They could also be lying about the origin of the virus, the origin of the pandemic. They could be lying about the lab about what they know about the Lamb, so this idea that China is not sharing all that. It knows that China, maybe is leading convinces policymakers in the White House that there are secrets out there and people like passenger who have been pretty those two distrust China. It gives them ammunition to argue throughout the government that this is worse than you think China at fault, and then Present Donald Trump announces Richard Pronounce will become acting director of national intelligence were now will be in charge of the nation's seventeen.

Spy agencies, the intelligence agencies get a new director of national intelligence. A former spokesman turned Fox news. Talking had turned ambassador with very little actually no intelligence. Experience now Rick Renault is interesting figure. He does not come from the world of intelligence. Rick Grenelle is a partisan defender of the president. He is one of the most effective people at pushing the president's agenda he's the ambassador to Germany, so he he deals with talons. He receives intelligence, but he's never been a collector of intelligence, but he does know what the president once he does know what the president is interested in and he

sort of has an intuitive understanding that the origin of this outbreak is going to be a piece of information, that's very important to Donald Trump. So what happens with four canal in this role? Well happens. Next is there's some intelligence that comes in on March, thirtieth some new intelligence that chinese officials have discussed the possibility that the virus came from the lab well yeah, so this piece of intelligence changes the minds of the people who have seen at some people who were sceptical of the lab theory start to see it as a real possibility. The president is

really entreat Grenelle convenes a review. He brings together the various intelligence agencies to discuss what they know. They actually conclude that they can't make a complaint that they don't know where it came from. There are open source science articles. There are questions about the safety of There is this very idea that we are talking about about the coincidence, but there's smoking gun all the entire Jones agencies. Agree, there's just no one hard piece of evidence that said their this shows that it came from a lab Julian. You just said that the fact that China, is looking into this same question, american intelligence officials are seen to add credibility to the american theory, but, as I'm thinking about it, it occurs to me. Doesn't that's just

The origin story here is a mystery. Perhaps rather than us and what I mean by that is that the chinese government is Looking into this question that mean that they don't know the answer and that are not trying to cover it up. Third is trying to figure it out for themselves. That's right! That's how some people in the intelligence world look at it. They say you know, China is struggle for this answer to this. This answer is not out there. Is who are more sceptical believe that China's covering up from its own people and that the number of people who would know about this is, Very small and China is very good at keeping its secrets You can have a situation where the central government doesn't know something, but

officials at a lower level do know the answer, but they're afraid to tell it they Could put their own lives in danger to spread a piece of bad information, so. Finding something out in a country with an authoritarian system like that makes it much more difficult because it might not be a dichotomy, might be both a secret and a mystery. That's right, there might be a secret animist we'll do it back, thinks we're going to work and thanks for staying home for treating patients

and having patience for being on the front lines while having our backs thanks for working together and playing the music. You love you S, bank, can't thank you enough, but we can do our part. That's why we ve donated millions to help our customers, employees and communities in need equal housing lender member after I see so at this point in our story, joy, and what is the state of this theory? Will? This theory starts to really be dub by conservative media. I have been asked by a tremendous number of people if I believe, that the child com government did this on purpose. Rush Limbata is talking

out the Buddha. While now we basically confirm ass. The belief is that the virus escaped from that high security. Ology lab is frequently discussed on Fox NEWS generally right now with Senator Tom cotton himself. They sit on Edit armed services, said Tom cotton as made multiple appearances to serve ass question, so we don't know where it originated, but we do know that just a few miles away from that food market is China's only biosafety level for super laboratory that research is human infectious diseases. Now we in theirs is disease, increasing focus on the right about the lab theory as part of an effort to hold China responsible for more. Let's bring in this

protection of state might palm pale. Good morning, Sir Mr Secretary, and into this comes might compel about north. He begins to really get to run with the lab theory and Mr Secretary, have you seen anything that gives you hi confidence that it richer needed in Wilhelm LAB in one interview, Pompiers says: there's significant evidence to support the theory that there is a significant amount of evidence that this came from that laboratory in want to convince people that the lab theory is the leading theory, the foremost area, I think the whole world is united. Understanding that China brought this virus to the world thanks very much for joining us. Mr Secretary appreciate your time work and is pumping Raymond Assisi, something that you have Because from everything have said so far, there is not. This again intelligence that this originated in a lot

In China, no, there is insignificant evidence the entire its agencies haven't unable to say that the lab theory takes precedence from whether the virus was naturally created outside a lab just by natural transmission between a animal and human and in fact, scientists are pretty sceptical that this case From the wool Han Blab enabled eve. There had to be eight intermediate step from the bat viruses that were studied in the lab to another animal, and so this growing body of scientific voices is pushing against what Pompiers saying right now in Julian especially given the lack of evidence. Is there a risk? United States going after China on this front, accusing them of starting it alive. Oh absolutely, I mean

China controls a lot of the pharmaceutical supply chain. They are in the country that makes masks and protective gear, picking a fight with China cause them to slow the flow of that desperately needed equipment, and there is also a race for a vaccine. I mean China may get a vaccine for this krona virus before the United States or Europe Doth man. What if Beijing is so angry at the top administration for its blaming of I know that they will hold the vaccine, there's absolutely a risk industry. One! So why would Republicans and the conservative media want to take this fight? Well, remember where we are we're in April, tens of thousands of people are dying, the lockdown, and public health measures have frozen everything and

or blaming Trump and his best case for reelection, a strong economy has disappeared, so it is a way to deflect the blame from Washington and put it on China. Why isn't enough just to know it came from China? Why do they want to pin it to a lab in such a precise way because of it came from an accident in a lab, then there was a misstep, it's just not dumb lock. Somebody did something wrong in the I need to have something to account for it. You know, for president from this is an important idea. Would in responsibility on China? And this idea that his critics, say he's in gin made

situation worse in the United States. Well present from can argue no what could I have done. China unleashed this on the world through their negligence, but it feels like there's one immovable obstacle to others this, and it's that the intelligence agencies which you are they are not giving the president they're not giving the secretary of state. Any of the evidence that would be required to make this public case. This is not happening here. That's right. This would be a much easier case for present to make for secondary compared to make. If the statement from the intelligence community was yes, we this evidence, but that's not what they have said. They ve said there looking into this. They can conclude what leaving theory as they cannot pin it on the lab, but

is the intelligence agencies say they are looking into this idea. It's. Gonna hold a lot of power in people's minds, and it's going to be part of our civic and political discourse, or do we know whether their ever can be all answer? The question intelligence officials say to answer your question: they need access to that lab would have to be able to look at the samples there. They would have to be able to talk to the workers and without it first to the lab that smoking gun is not something that they can get, they can't get at the secret. They Only once you get into the lab can you know was arrested, with their hiding or,

were they as blind as we were. Was it in fact a mystery Julian? Thank you very much. Thank you on Wednesday, China fired back at the Trump administration over its suggestion that the virus had originated in a lab they're calling it could blame shifting that should be ignored by the american public hours later Secretary of State might pump. Hale took questions from reporters about his role in promoting the theory, you sat in a multiple interviews. I may first Eagle thirty than other day some version of we don't know if the virus came from inside the lab and will Hon

and then, on Sunday, you said there is enormous evidence. The virus came from inside the latter both to this entire barbarians. With this question in August, the thirteenth I'm happy to try to answer it again. I am not sure what it is that about the grandmother you can't get. We don't have certainty about whether it began in the west or whether began someplace else, there's an easy way to find out the answer to that transparency, openness, the kinds of things that nations do when they really want to be part of solving a global pandemic when they really want to go all the way back.

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that's it for the daily, unlike other borrow, see tomorrow, thinks we're going to work and thanks for staying home for treating patients and having patience for being on the front lines While having our backs thanks for working together and playing the music, you love you S, bank can't thank you enough, but we can do our part. That's why we ve donated millions to help our customers, employees and communities in need equal housing lender member after I see