Since the presidential election was called for Joe Biden, President Trump has relentlessly attacked the integrity of the count in Georgia. He has floated conspiracy theories to explain away his loss and attacked Republican officials.
Today, we speak to Republican activists and voters on the ground and consider to what extent, if at all, Mr. Trump’s rhetoric could discourage Republicans from voting in the runoff elections.
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Background reading:
- Senators Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue have sought to motivate a conservative base that remains loyal to Mr. Trump while also luring back some of the defectors who helped deliver Georgia to a Democratic presidential candidate for the first time since 1992.
- Democrats may have claimed a bigger share of the early vote than they did in November’s vote, election data shows. Here’s what else we know about the voting in Georgia so far.
For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily
This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
Today part two of our look at the democratic and republican Party strategies for the Senate, one offs in Georgia, the Republicans it's Tuesday January. Fifth,
from the New York Times. This is the field Emily speak up in Georgia. Worries
Scarborough I've run on your mouse. That's gonna worry for those regions. In one month ago, before president trumps leaked attempt to pressure dirges election officials became national.
who's. He headlined an event. Builders of victory rally enveloped ass to Georgia. It's not especially common for losing presidential candidates to hold victory rallies, but this specific post loss, victory rally was particularly awkward given the local political situation. So a bunch of press was there, including instead Herndon one of the political reporters
the times three hours before the rally. I found him shaking his head. It is Iphone near a bank of blue Porta parties, a story he'd just posted was getting blow back.
Often people are my cousin, the store. We call him a form
a film maker, and they say he is a former investigative journalist,
a little bit about the four candidates and what their like once. I sure instead was in Georgia, reporting on today's to Senate runoff elections, damage
John US off and Raphael. Warnock are challenging republican candidates, Kelly Leffler and David Purdue, and it's a huge deal because if Democrats, when these two seats, they'll gain control
of the Senate and the provided in Toto, and that will give them a big check against what Joe Biden is able to do, and this is what this really supposed to be about is about shooting up republican support for those candidates by its kind have taken a different terms because of how much the press-
It has contested the election since losing the election on November. Third, President Trump had relentlessly attacked the integrity of the election in Georgia. He'd floated conspiracy theories about suitcases, stuffed with
eyelids claimed repeatedly that voting machines, flipped thousands of trumpets Biden and when rob
can leaders in Georgia contradicted these claims or didn't sing loudly enough in the course of stolen election trump, when after them too, he didn't
did his former ally republican Governor Brien. Can we have a gun
republican government, it's worse than a democratic servile, and so is this raid. The republican secretary of State, Brad, Graphs and burger guy got played like I've, never seen anybody play that the republican Senate candidates, Leffler Purdue
unrest and burger to resign. Finally, three days,
before the victory rally, things had really escalated. A couple of trump circuits started telling trump supporters that produce leffler worth fighting for
tromp hard enough of your vote
David. Won't they ve got our Tippit,
in an election like this, you have the full strength of the Republican Party, marching imperfect lockstep behind the candidates and the president would say
rally to get people even more energized, but everything was upside down. Republican allies of the president or actively disparaging leffler, Purdue and Trump was doing little to stop them. In fact, a kind of seemed to enjoy it, which was an issue because everyone Democrats and Republicans agree that this race is can be really close. It's the kind of rates or even a small dip in turn out,
could have serious consequences so calling the GNP candidates and the entire election system into question right before the Poles open. We don't know if it was a rest. The fear particular have some republicans in this state is that the willingness for the kind of trumpets, sex integral down the road of conspiracy misinformation will turn off some voters, both ones who say hey
the elections or advice that even support it and also some of the more moderate you say why are these Republicans
going down this path?
They acknowledge the fact that this was a free and fair election, so I just strikes at the unity that Republicans usually happen. This data has been
the reason why they, one almost every run off that's ever happened here, run off elections
no Tory us, it's always a climb- to get people to vote when it's just a local race. So do you feel like what he says today will have an impact on the election? Yes, yes like that was a very sir. Yes, I wasn't quite prepared for the level of certainty involved in that. Yes,
let them back like. Why are you so certain Lee only messenger that matters to a big portion of the republican base is Donald Trump and if he says that systems are rigged and maybe they shouldn't go. That will be one that folks
this is a party that is singularly devoted to one person's identity and believe and dependent
how'd? He wills that today, one hundred percent matter further for the Roma,
How do I am with the daily pod without and its true that over
Ex three hours as they talked a person after person. It did sound like the voters at the rally had been getting the message. The messenger was sending what brought you out here to learn from it.
Ride, hands a friend, and especially, I know here in Georgia. Almost every person I spoke to was convinced. There have been fraud on a massive scale,
and, as you can imagine, felt extremely distressed by
that idea. There were proven it, but you know that keep playing a now like it's not a big deal. It's a big deal. The essence of our republic is pretty much at stake here. You know that I get why
This then we're gonna go down the road of Venezuela. One fraudulent boat is true, meaning and we're,
in a byword. Want higher France knows it's it's it's for our protest. I talked to business owners, lawyers schoolteachers, farmers truck drivers. They were all certain and a good portion were in fact directing some of their anger.
other Georgia Republicans. Absolutely our republican leaders have not stood at four as voters and we are not happy about it. I met lorry half a former prosecutor who now works and real estate law by a gourmet ice cream truck. Do you feel
laughter and Purdue. Have I haven't heard them say much at all. I am very disappointed
revenue to stand at. Does that make you feel like you, dont want to vote for
in January. Does it it makes me feel like it? Yes, I will vote for them. That reluctantly lorry told me there were plenty of people in her circle who were bitter about
fuller and produce a lot of people who are saying they're not going to vote for them.
Comes down to it. I don't think they're going to sit at home and allow our country to be taken over by the Democrats, but they are saying it has. A lot of people are saying that I absolutely still,
at the rally which granted is a highly motivated self selected group. I wasn't able to find anyone, not a single republican ready to set out the Senate race on January
some new people threatening not avert or new
people who knew people or were related to people, so morality,
They they're not gonna, go out and vote. They ve seen video evidence a beginning rigged,
You know why would they vote in IRAN?
when they know that's gonna get ready as well, but at least
at the rally. The idea was kind of a non starter, because people were so desperately worried that democratic control of the Senate, House and presidency would so fundamentally alter
the country that they loved the Democrats were then our country is gonna, be a totally different country. So I would say that what do you mean well what they ve been saying? They basically wants
Wasn't communism marxist socialists today other options so Warnock and also offer for one? You know Marxism,
Socialism, for sure, is that what you're worried about of hell? Yes, absolutely, oh, my god I mean do you? Would you not want to have to stand alone to get a loaf of bread? I don't want to have to be in five mile long to get you garlands of gas. I don't have live off
dollars a week and that's what we're headed bottom line is Republicans. Aren't Socialists Democrats
as the sky turned dark, more people poured through the police checkpoints
and there was a new energy in the crowd. Finally, a thin point of light appeared in the sky.
We believe, as one line in nice, guinea arrange land
putting up their ban. Everybody's video in taking pictures right now he's a man. He is the man
you're using generally only forty
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say you don't want your juicer yonder.
much of this speech. Did the
dangerously in the direction that Republicans feared. There's no way this could have happened other than the obvious
eating or a rigged election? There's no way could have termed said repeatedly that the elections had been stolen and that Georgia's voting system could not be trusted. People awoke it and was suitcases.
And putting them under a table with a black Robert, but he also did do for a smaller part of the speech. What local republican leaders want
he reminded everybody to go out and vote. You must go out and vote or early starting December forty. You have to do it. He said nice things about Co2 and Leffler, because these are too great great people that I know so well and respect
by everybody in Washington and beer. But for me the most telling part of the night happened when Trump wasn't even at the Mai he'd past it briefly to David Purdue in Kelly, Leffler First Leffler got up to tell people in the crowd
that they really needed diverge
drowned out by a chant of stopped
deal then Purdue got up but again
the crowd wooden back off the chant, no matter how much per
pleaded
as produce struggled to break through it, felt clear, though the President
technically on the ballot? He was still way more.
Poured into the voters at this rally than any of the people who were so leffler and produce needed to be careful. Neither could afford to contradict Trump, even if his claims made their lives more.
for what
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produce walked away a different chance started, taking shape a chant about exactly what the crowd
in the Senate candidate, leaving the stage to do
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at the end of the night. If you were a republican trying to gauge your chance of keeping the Senate, what happened? Didn't exactly silence your fear. Republican unity still felt scrambled and the race was really close, but there was still plenty of reason for hope. Historically, Republicans in the state of Georgia have just crushed when it comes to getting out the vote.
and the ground game for this run off was looking even more powerful than usual. So with that tip the balance or would trumps massiveness discourage average republican voters, the kind of people who don't feel compelled to show that Trump rallies from coming out on January Fifth,.
Are those your door hangers, you show me what they look like Vigo shows both candidates, and it has some top issues listed-
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one Saturday morning, in early December, I met up with a group of political emphasis who, driven
down from North Carolina to help get out the vote. There were forty five people from a church group that we're staying at a country in an sweets about an hour north of
lantern their accommodations were being paid for by the faith and freedom coalition. A conservative christian group and its executive director, Adam Pipkin, agreed to talk to me about their strategy. So after we saw the group Grabowski, we climbed into his enormous truck to talk
what are you playing country music here? These are the day. So ever since the election Adam had been working like crazy, seven m to twelve m most days, he said he had two because his group had expanded so much since the general election during the election. The faith and freedom coalition
had roughly seventy five people working in Georgia to get at the vote, but now we have
Over nine hundred were added, probably fifteen to thirty a day, and we have like, for instance, today, will probably have a hundred and twenty five folks out knocking the worse. Our goal was, to average fifteen thousand dollars a day between now and in January. Fifth, fifteen thousand dollars a day. Adams canvasses only speak that about twenty percent of the people behind those doors, but still for Adam. It's worth the effort, because
were knocking is one of the most effective things you can do to get. People prefer the studies that I have seen when you're in a general election irregular election. Someone is fifteen percent more likely to vote. If you
you go to were knocking. They are seventy percent more likely to vote. If there is somebody you know from the community that shows up
done the math and figured out that his group could hit five hundred thousand homes by election day. Twenty percent of five hundred thousand is one hundred thousand.
Which is substantially more than the margin that separated producing us off, for example, on novel
third, but here's the thing Adam scruples.
just one of many independent groups getting out the vote in the state. Then, of course you had the Republican Party itself. Earlier in the week I had spoken to the press person for the National Republican Senatorial Committee, any
we'll be there. The an hour I see was firing one thousand people to go door to door for the run off. He said their plan was to make sure that every Republican who voted in the state of Georgia, including
people in hard to reach rural areas had at least one per
knock on their door before January. Fifth, I mean that the impression that I get an you'd tell me if I'm wrong, but like there is
unprecedented machine beam marshalled to turn out to vote for this is that your impression
yeah indefinitely, and I would think so right, man owner how you could could say otherwise, and yet, despite all this item, wasn't one hundred percent confident that Republicans would keep the two Senate seeds again, Republicans have historically one run awful actions and he thought they still had an edge. But he said the stuff with
was making things more complicated. The reality is anyone saying they know how people are gonna turn out, because of that I think it's a yes, I dont, hopefully it
I have much effect, but I don't know the answer to that. Are you worry, I would say it's concerning for sure, but it wasn't just the Trump staff. There was also the problem of demographics. The population of Georgia is growing by leaps and bounds every year. A boon to the Democrats and potentially a threat to Republicans Adam complains that people come because Georgia's business friendly policies have led to an economic boom
but as soon as they get here, they seem to forget the benefits of that conservative approach may move here and then they still vote
the same way from the place that they laughed witches
they cannot
a little annoying, he also acknowledges the work the Stacey Abrams has done
registering those new voters in the lead up to the November election. She has done a great job. Just get in the Democrats, organised
They they really work honestly. So do you think that, given these demographic
hinges and and Stacy Abrams, and do you think it's possible that the Republicans might be kinder
Losing their lock on the state will obviously it's turning more purple
so you know I don't I don't know how it will go a minute. I think they are in a much better position than they were four years ago for sure, and I think you know Republicans just have to work hard and dumb get out the boat. You probably did
It's cold. I don't usually somewhere, not well. You know
I wanted to see the ground game inaction. So Pipkin hooked me up with one of his full time. Canvas
there's an older man named Jonathan Crocs sooner
goddamn magnolia way, we were canvassing in a very upscale neighbourhood, huge houses with,
move green minds and ass. We walked. I quit Jonathan about the conversations he'd been having with voters how many of the people that you ve talked to believe that
There was fraud in Georgia's election and that the president was there is. There is a great.
what I can say with with with great conviction is if there is a great concern about it. Surveys have found that between seventy and eighty percent of Republicans, don't believe, Biden
only one, and even in early December, fifty percent expected trumped being
created on January twenty earth and in the well to do suburb north of Atlanta, where we were walking, people seem to feel the same way. How do you feel about the last election? Do you think that there was fraud, absolutely fraud, that changed the outcome? Is this I am very concerned, but it was just like the Trump Railway. Do you feel like there is a lot of fraud in this past election partially or do, and are you worried that the fraud
and the result? I think so. I do believe that, but also just like the tramp rally literally no one, I spoke to said that they would sit at the upcoming election. What was at stake was just too important and
walked from door to door. A new thought occurred to me,
Whether or not republicans take these two seeds. What's clear is that over the course of the twenty twenty election, a profound shift has occurred among republican voters and not just the most hard core of the president's
there's a shift that very likely will continue to exist. Long after January fifth has come and gone,
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use code and mighty twenty to see what makes their teeth. So incredible. Ten years ago, if someone had said she, you look Democrats of really perpetrated a massive election. Fraud with ballot stuffing and a whole bunch of thing will have them out of your crazy. How could they even do that? That's insane. Would you really have thought the person was insane? Probably
I wanted to talk to her republic it in Georgia who represented the seventy percent, someone who believed that the election was stolen and would sit down with me and talk through their thinking. So as really happy
when Amy Nebulae said gas the day after our first phone conversation, I jumped to my car and drove to her house in the Atlanta suburbs, but when she opened the door she was dressed as an else like a full of costume. Can you just describe each piece? Ok, let's see I have.
Striped tights. I dont have my elf shoes on now, because they're not conducive for driving Aimee had on a green and Red Peter PAN Dress, with small gold bells on the collar she even had of years, though she removed them for the interview she had just come from her son
school where she'd been volunteering all week, going around classrooms and helping the little kids pick out presence from a catalogue for their parents.
And it had all been going really well until the principal out at her two principles and on the loudspeaker that there is now running round the school so now like gotta call following and if I go past the playground and around on the playground and they come.
which was a problem because curve it and they come running a litter, and I can't hold them like. I knew they were all running at me at one point, the really getting kids running at me and I had to go in the door and slamming like MIKE I end up. Is they re from the gender and you know
It is changed allied. This is, I have to say this is the first time that I've ever interviewed
you knew I break your lot moulds, I'm I'm that girl Amy
been in Georgia for more than twenty years. She works as an independent sales rep, but she grew up in New York State, the daughter of two public school teachers, and she says they're politics
pretty clear ass. My dad when I was younger and what are you and he said, I'm a democratic, and why is there for the working people on that makes sense I'll go with that and that's where Amy says she stayed all through her twenties to me ever.
But that was a republican and my twenties was someone that lived in the south, probably Bangor bibles. Allied, I didn't disliked them. I just didn't understand them, and I thought this poor people need to be enlightened, but after a couple decades in Georgia, surrounded by republican neighbours and coworkers and friends, her feelings begin to migrate until eventually she registered as a Republican. Still that's a far cry from believing the Democrats,
perpetrate, a massive national fraud. You know there are some people who were naturally more suspicious, and then there are
people who are naturally not a suspicious, which one are you so. On a personal note, I tend to trust individuals. Am I
distrusting of the government. No, but I'm more sceptical leg. I'm a new Yorker by birth. If, if someone says
This is gonna cure this or this is going to do, but I would not call me
solve on anyway, a conspiracy theorist. I dont like conspiracy theories. I've had praised,
throughout the years, who have at all kinds of consumers alike.
have a nice day and on argue with him? I just keep going that's why, at this
in time I've minute I'm in a conflict with em myself, because it feels strange to me to say that there has been massive fraud in this country and where it goes. How far does ago, how crazy
gee do you? Go but but like so many others in her party, that is what she now believes its hard to pinpoint.
exactly how she ended up. Here, it's been a slow process.
Certainly one important milestone came after trumped declared his run for presidency. In twenty fifteen, as a new Yorker, Amy was intrigue, but she still like other conservative candidates and then Trump came to Georgia to talk
one or two year for myself what he had to say. So I went- and he said I think,
absolutely not actually going with this NATO's obsolete. He says: well, they known address terrorism and I went what so listen it's not address any sub. Here's! What the press is gonna say on Monday, and I listened he said, they're going to say tromp against NATO. Did I just say that to you. He said I told you they're not addressing terrorism. Therefore they are obsolete. They are going to report that I said tromp is against
NATO, I'm not against NATO. I think it's great, but it needs to be brought to this century. People need to pay their fair share and they need to address terrorism, and I thought god I dream of them-
sure enough, Monday morning drop against NATO like while he said, that's exactly that would go
so that be got my distrust in the media and Trump's relationship right there, because I said they're not reporting what he said. He was very clear. He spelled it out what he meant, and he said this is how they're going to report it. I said Myers don't lie to me. I heard it and I was fascinated
I went back and reviewed this speech and it went a little differently than that. It was that night at the speech that the president's said, he'd been misinterpreted by the media in the past for his comments on NATO. But the point is Amy says by then
she'd already stretched to consume more right, leaning media, like Fox NEWS, but was constantly flipping channels from far
two CNN and back and says that she began to feel
like traditionally: mainstream outlets, like the New York Times, were CNN, where the Washington Post, or only telling part of the story
like they left out anything good. He donated entire salary cherry and I have said that two people inside them grow that sucker or that the good work they don't even know it. She had a bunch of examples like four
since. There is very little talk recently- and I know that my friends on the left know nothing about the fact that trunk just had,
three major peace treaties in the Middle EAST that big deal to her. It just seemed obvious
Most mainstream media outlets were not interested in any narrative about tromp that could be construed as positive. It made her feel manipulate. It was at least not look over. There were no more focusing over here, not to know nano there's nothing to see over. There come back
and abolish me, because knowledge is power and information is should be out there, despite being a Republican she's has for a long time, she'd been dismissive of people on the right who complain
bout by us in the media and my work, which are crying- and you know like our bargain with quit wine and who cares and
more, I started, listen, I'm like yeah, that's not being reported correctly and I dont know the day had started. I dont know the moment,
but it slowly went from.
We are well aware to yeah it's a little bad to kind of pretty bad too by this terrible
It's all about Orange Van bad, that's our joke on the right
and I am sure I found myself craving them.
nation. That may more sense to me to a me. It felt like for the whole of trumps presidency. The mainstream media was looking for ways to deal in Juba myself when, let's see first, it was he lost. The popular vote is not only a new president,
and it was now Russia he's not a legitimate president any colluded, and then three years I watched all this insanity, and I thought only the means- never gonna, be
did my president, no matter what he does. As the twenty twenty election approached Amy says she was a little concerned about the possibility of some
going funny with the mail in ballots, but she felt good about her own state definitely felt better. I thought, ok, we're safe here, don't and I and I thought strongly. Georgia would go read as it used,
does on election day she volunteered as a pole, watcher. She says less out of concern and more just to be a good citizen.
and she says she felt really positive about how things went. I had my
a slice of information, and I went home on election day and watched all the results in around eleven o clock at night
we're looking at, and then everything stopped everything stopped. You mean they stopped counter county. Everything stopped Amy says by the next morning it felt like she was living in a different world. Put yourself in our shoes from aren't. We woke up the next day. We thought we were winning. We slowly saw everything go crazy, nobody knew one. We had a fear of valets being mailed in for a long time and being told this will be a hot mass and we're not gonna, know who won for weeks and sure enough to Jack Jack.
those things are happening, oh, we don't know one so Amy volunteered for one of those voter fraud hotlines. She says all day long. She fielded calls from voters. People were just beside themselves upset. This has been stolen hack. We let this happen. What are the Republicans doing? We are furious. We need to act, we need to get moving and in between those emotionally wrenching cause. She said she did talk to a couple of people who are reporting things that, to her ear sounded suspicious, like a male pole worker from a county in a different part of the state.
They stuck them on a chair outside the room and said watch from here, and it's like. I can't I mean I'm not even in the room and suddenly the situation flipped
everything that was said to me
four years ago that I didn't, like its affair, its
you know it's not a legitimate election. It was so confused,
Two Amy are we drinking?
Russia Kool aid like they did. You know like this. Ok, Russia, Russia, Russia, fraud, fraud, fraud. You know- and I say this to myself every day. This is what people on the left were going through the day to day after Trump
four days every time she turned on her television are picked up her phone. She saw some new report that enraged her. She listened to hearings, were lawyers got up and made what sounded to her like very credible and specific
accusations. Sixty six thousand under age people voted over ten thousand dead people voted twenty six hundred felons voted, but she told me the thing that finally sealed the deal for her was that
press conference that Rudy Giuliani had where he brought out a huge stack of signed affidavits from Trump supporters, alleging that they had seen fraud. The affidavit thirty wouldn't show those ones. I see what you're saying, but yes, he would not show them
However, to me I wouldn't show them: either Amy thinks it can be dangerous to be a trump supporter. People have been docks, people have been harassed, people have been hurt. In fact, earlier she'd asked me not
use her husband's name, he's a data guru who works in TAT. I like to keep him out of it. There is a big fear on our side that we could lose our jobs for behind. You didn't know, especially
companies he is to work for a company and Silicon Valley. He was terrified. If I was active, he would lose his job. That fear was understandable to me, but it is also true that whenever I presented
information that contradicted her own narrative, Amy would exe
clean it away. So what do you think about the fact that pretty much all of the courts have looked at the evidence and have dismissed the the
He says it doesn't necessarily deter me. Does it feel great? Does it feel like we're scoring wins, absolutely, not shed a rationale for the rejected court cases all over the country. Nobody wants to touch it. Nobody wants to be the person to rule on it. They want to push down the up. The chain and then go to the Supreme Court and also an explanation as to why Georgia's top three Republicans at announced there had not been substantial fraud. Does it ever make? You feel like
These are Republicans. They have the same goals that I have. They are looking at the evidence, but they are not know. There's corrupt Republicans, Aimee had voted for brand camp. The republican governor of Georgia
and until this election had really liked him. How do you make sense of that? I don't exe
now- and this is the next conspiracy. That's being said, and again I dont know if I believe this yet, but if it were true, it would explain a lot,
Camp and Duncan supposedly have been paid either by China or dominion or both. After all, she pointed out just a week before seventeen states had joined a Texas lawsuit filed to the Supreme Court. Their claim was that there had been so many problems with election procedures in the forest swing states. Their electoral votes should be disqualified and for Amy it seemed
obvious that state officials would not join a lawsuit like that if there were no actual grounds, those are governments, those are pretty. These are educated people that have thought about it. This was a few days before the Supreme Court rejected the case, so neither of us knew how it was going.
her now if it goes to the Supreme Court and they say no, this is there is
not enough evidence of fraud here? Will you believe it then? I dont know if I believe it, but I'll accept it for sure believe it.
That's a tough one. Not not you know. What's a good question, I probably should I don't know if I've fought so hard have so many other patriots saying Que? No, no, no, this fraud, I know I would accept it
I think I would probably always have a doubt in the back my mind and there's a part of me. That would be just fine saying by Indians and the legitimate president for four years if he makes it for years because not to be vengeful, because I'm not that person. But it's us would feel good to be able to say for four years and see how that feels. It's been done to jump makes me so frustrated and its frustrated us for three years for years, and that said to me that it that some petty that way, because it is petty but.
people have just been hateful from Amy's perspective for four years. The way the press and many of her democratic friends talked about the person she voted for.
Believed in it had been incredibly challenging. I have people
but I know I love and I trust that I know they're smart and I know their special and I know that they are no less intelligent than I am, but they believed that what I'm thinking it's just that
crazy and I'm looking at them going. What you believe is back who crazy and I don't believe we're both crazy. I don't think either of us is crazy, but every
they're going to turn on the channel? That's gonna tell them. I'm crazy and tromp is horrible and ever
I'm gonna turn on the channel. This is tromp is the greatest thanks and sliced bread and they're nuts and there lie and what
Does that leave everybody angry Divided Amy says she filled her heart, beginning to harden I'm starting to get angry at the people on the left instead of curious, like it's going from, I want to know what makes you take too
You just where me out, you know, there's nothing to talk to you about anymore, you're, just you're one of them, and I want to keep walking and have to fight with my own self to go no they're, just a person like you and they have just been told what they believe. But every day it's harder to respect that. You can believe that I fight with myself every day, because if we don't listen to other people, how will this ever stop
do you think that you, in the Republicans, you know, are more likely to believe in things that before you would have dismissed as conspiracies cause, I'm trying to figure out? Is it like cats, conspirators
Kind of thinking grown over the last four years yeah, and that's because of two things in my opinion- number one: the media as I've parked on an number to the fact that so many of these conspiracy
have come out over the years. It's almost impossible not to believe and make its almost easier every time. As for Georgia's runoff elections on January says, I have Cyril confidence and my vote counting on general. Fifth, the zero confidence. Do you think that you'll ever have faith when you walk into a voting booth again, none of Donald Trump doesn't win, and I don't mean that because I feel like if he doesn't, whenever
things. Unfair. I mean that because if, if somehow Democrats have found a way to cheat, why would they stop
hello there hi. Thank you so much for meeting with me and really really appreciate it. When I went to visit Gabe Sterling, it has been about a week since he'd been at the center of the news cycle in
give us a very unglamorous title voting system, implementation manager, but a small press conferences held had gone by
Earl after he had made a very emotional plea for Trump and other republican officials to stop peddling disinformation
when I met up with him. He was still dealing with the fall out from all of that. As they placed my equipment on the table, he was reading off. His eye fell on my first
rents, you're, going into fresh
that all future needs, and for me he showed me this website that apparently,
didn't put up earlier in the day. Those who has a picture of me with a sniper target on my face with my home address with a picture of my house and also has the governor and secretary of State for weeks Gabriel's office had been consumed, with providing definitive proof that the election in Georgia had been legit did debunked claim after claim, did a full paper recount and had publicly reported all of their findings, so that voters could have faith that their vote would be counted on January fifth, but he knew it wasn't
convincing people you keep on new vessels framing the ocean. I guess stood hurry which, in my mind, raised this question. If republican voters in the state of Georgia, where the entire process was run essentially by republicans, won't believe their own republican leaders like what that suggests, is in any other state
There's not going to be a way to convince people. Do you think there will be a way to convince people? It will take a few huge on masking of the President of France. He will never, I bottom up money and he will never admit that this was stolen from them. He just lost the rice,
as long as that's the case. There are going to be millions of Americans who are.
feel in their heart and their got in and go to their graves. Knowing this election was stolen from them in there and they were, there is now there's no piece of evidence. There's no like silver bullet. There's nothing. This can change their minds,
in fact like Amy Gabriel, since the public's willingness to believe conspiracy theories is only growing up. I've heard of
Highly educated people, we know lawyers, doctors, teachers who believe in their heart of hearts that this thing was stolen and I think the conspiratorial stuff fits because
Why would they lie about it?
the president's congressmen, all the other people who are spreading some of this stuff. These are people of respect to me. Why would they lie?
make any sense in the weeks since I first tactic Gabriel, the president and his supporters have continued to tie
voters that the election was stolen from them and then, of course, came,
Saturday afternoon,
Our long phone calls to secretary rafts hamburger. The president didn't just ask Georgia Secretary of State to find eleven thousand votes. He spoke at length of the massive fraud he believed had been perpetrated. If you listen to the whole thing,
he himself sounds so convinced far from a man who would back off the claim that the presidency had unjustly been taken from them and so escape said. Voters will probably believe that two, regardless of what happens today, I do think that, if Republicans wind both seats in the Senate, that that will help convince people that there wasn't massive fraud on November. Third, widely there still gotta be people who are the hard core trumps immortal still believe it now we'll go from seven to tender. Six to turn around your five to tempt me Eminem, any procedures that high is unhealthy, so, yes, I'm sure
we'll help, but it will help in the margins. On Monday night Senator Kelly Leffler announced plans to vote again
the certification of Joe Biden victory when COM
Greece convenes on Wednesday. In doing so, she will endorse president trumps. Baseless claims of voter fraud. Pause in Georgia will clues tonight
at seven p m, but because of the large volume of mail and balance
the results of their run off may not be known for several days, we'll be right back.
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