Over the past decade, Eric Coomer has helped make Dominion Voting Systems one of the largest providers of voting machines and software in the United States.
He was accustomed to working long days during the postelection certification process, but November 2020 was different.
President Trump was demanding recounts. His allies had spent months stoking fears of election fraud. And then, on Nov. 8, Sidney Powell, a lawyer representing the Trump campaign, appeared on Fox News and claimed, without evidence, that Dominion had an algorithm that switched votes from Trump to Joe Biden.
This is the story of how the 2020 election upended Mr. Coomer’s life.
This story was written by Susan Dominus and recorded by Audm. To hear more audio stories from publications like The New York Times, download Audm for iPhone or Android.
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My original assignment was simply to look into how conspiracies at the presidential election
hurting the lives of individuals.
there's this conspiracy that claims that man never landed on the moon. I think you
make the argument. Maybe
because there was no social media or no googling, that there isn't there
one name or single person who we say was central to staging a fake moon landing. Seeing with flatter theory
So far as I know, there is an the villain or the victim,
my name, is Susan Dominance and I'm a staff writer for the New York Times magazine. I
a story about Eric Humor, who was a scene.
figure in charge of security and strategy at Dominion Voting systems. Dominion is one of the biggest election technology suppliers in the country. Eric
was the target of serious and prolonged francs, because many subscribers to right wing media social media believed he was the
central villain,
created the technology to allow biting supporters to ring the election. It all started just days after the election, a host of a conservative podcast said that heat heard Eric on and anti
the conference call saying to others not to worry, because he had made sure that Trump was not going to win. Trumpeters
Sidney Powell had already mentioned dominion on Fox NEWS. Threats were pouring into dozens of.
plays at the minion Eric Iraq has denied
being on any such call.
but his name began appearing in very graphic online posts in associate
With things like execution and suicide, he was trend
on Twitter, an image of his face was treated out by Eric Trump
worried that anybody who is very engaged and raving social media might even
recognize him by face, and I dont know
that was a paranoid fear. The threats against Eric were serious enough. That dominion Security firm, told him. It was not safe for him to be in his own home.
Eric was singled out because of its position at dominion, but also because of antitrust posts. He'd written on Facebook going back to two thousand and sixteen those posts used. There
strong language and called Donald Trump things like autocratic and fascist, and
but when I recognise that Araby had action,
written those pasts, historic became
and more complicated and more interesting to me in many
This is a tale about how one piece of information, often when they can
A colonel of truth gets used to amplify other
details and story lines that are very much not true. So here's my story. He was the perfect villain,
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It was already laid on November night when Eric Humor, then the director of product strategy and security for dominion, voting systems left
temporary office on Daley, Plaza in Chicago and headed back to the hotel, where he'd been staying for the previous few weeks, both the plaza.
The hotel had the eerie post, apocalyptic feel of urban life during the pandemic,
pounding the sense of disorientation and apprehension he felt ass. He made his way up to his room
your that evening. A colleague sent him a link to a video of commerce. Speaking at a conference with a menacing comment below it. High Eric
We know what you did. The com
Inter wrote that link.
eventually led comber to a second video which he watched in his hotel room. What he saw he
quickly realized, was something that was
likely to wreck his life, hurt his employer and possibly erode trust in the electoral process over the past decade, Comer fifty one
has helped make dominion one of the largest providers of voting machines and software in the United States. He was a gifted programmer known to be serious about his work
informal about almost everything else prone to profanity, with a sense of humour that could have blunt force
Comer, who travelled around the world for competitive indifference, bike races. What
blended in on the campus of Google. Just one in a car.
Out of non conformist tech types in the more corporate business of elections, he stood out for the full sleeve tattoos on his arms, one of Francis Bacon, screaming popes, some Picasso,
rules and the half inch holes in his ears where he wants war. What are known as plugs comber was
custom to working long days during the post election certification process, but the stress that November was building quickly
Donald Trump was demanding recounts. The president's out
in the stop. The steel movement had spent months stoking fears of election fraud and then on Sunday
November. Eighth Sidney Powell, a lawyer
sending the trauma campaign, appeared on Fox NEWS and claimed without evidence that dominion had
algorithm that switched votes from Tromp to Biden. The video camera watched
his hotel room represented a new development in dominions troubles. It was that day's episode of the conservative daily podcast a programme previously unknown to humor, which had been posted to Youtube
going to expose someone inside of dominion. Voting systems specifically related to Antigua and related to some one that is so far left and is controlling elections and his finger prints are in every state.
said. The shows co host a man using the pseudonym Joe Otto Otto, who would even
Lee reveal himself to be Joe old man. A Colorado entrepreneurs claimed that he had found a smoking gun that proved fraud at dominion we one hundred
percent know that the election was rigged about
Eleven minutes in Comer heard all
say his name in the car,
Precision will be about a man named Eric Humor old man, said, spelling out c, o
oh Anne e r next
Where was staring at a photo of himself up on the screen and what open called his little outfit a bike uniform tumor war in two thousand and sixteen
First, sixty insurance, mountain biking, race, comber, was look
at his own half smirk half smile, the face of a middle aged man with a sparse goatee staring into the glare in sunglasses. What other photos did old men have? What other artifacts of his life of his family
how hard was this man looking for all of it open claimed
earlier that year he had infiltrated what he said was Nantego phone call and overheard someone
someone he claimed had been identified as Eric at Dominion, a sure his supposed fellow anti for members that tromp would lose. He were, and I'm paraphrasing
that's right, don't worry about the election. Trump is not going to win. I made f.
Sure of that old man said he told his listener.
That he thought little of who this Erika Dominion might be until after the election, when a friend sent him a facebook post about election troubles, that mentioned Eric comers name. Suddenly old man said his interest was reawakened.
Started looking into humour, he said and the more information I got the scarier it got.
We said that in his research he found that consumer had written vile, Anti Trump Facebook Posts, Goldman Sachs
to read from one of those posts from July. Two thousand sixteen, which characterize Donald
from as autocratic narcissistic and a fascist among others,
more vulgar insults. I don't give a damn if you're
friend, family or random, acquaintance boatmen, Red
Anyone who decided to pull the Lever Marken Oval touch the screen for that carnival, Barker unfair
Let me now Oatman displayed a screen shot of the post, which said that the authors opinions are not necessarily the thoughts of my employer, though. If not, I should probably find another job who wants to work for complete morons.
Opens CO host MAX Maguire, also read from an anonymous open letter that explained that while there was no formal or
zation known as anti via the ideas, the public associated with it are worth supporting. There is no. Such
hang as being anti fascist either you are a diesel
human being with a conscience or you are a fascist, Maguire read the letter old man said, had appeared on commerce, Facebook,
Comber watched the video in shock. He is adamant that he never part
separated in any anti for phone call, and he felt disgusted by the accusation
He had done anything to change the results of the election. The Trump campaign
and its allies have introduced more than sixty lawsuits claiming election fraud in this country. But no court has found persuasive evidence to support the idea that comber
dominion or any one else involved in vote, counting changed,
election results by partisan audits of paper ballots in closely contested states such as Georgia and Arizona, confirmed, Biden, victory and problem.
Republicans, including attorney General Bill BAR and trumps official in charge of election. Cyber security have reaffirmed the basic facts of the election over all the results were accurate. The election process was secure and no widespread fraud capable of changing. The outcome has been uncovered old man,
now the subject of a defamation suit, brought by comber. It currently names as co defendants, fourteen parties responsible for the dissemination of old
claims about alleged anti phone call, including Sidney POW
Rudy Giuliani and the Trump campaign.
union has filed, separate defamation suits against Giuliani Powell, Fox NEWS and others. Lawyers for Julie
any Powell and for the Trump campaign declined to comment Fox
The dominion, litigation baseless and defended its right to tell both sides of the story opens best. Defence would be to provide
the operation of his claims about that phone call. He has said
as many as nineteen people on the line, but he has so far declined to do so.
as comber watch the video though he felt a SEC,
strong emotion, a powerful sense of regret, because the Facebook posts were in fact authentically why he thought hadn't
Just delete them. Comber could imagine how his words would sound to just about any Republican, let alone
someone already hearing on Fox NEWS that dominion was switching votes for Biden. He told me that he would
If every word of what he said on Facebook, but when com,
later asked him what he was thinking. He was frank he had screwed up.
At a time when well funded efforts to so mistrust in the election were already under way. Comber had given conspiracy, theorists
valuable resource, a grain of sand, they could transform into something that had the feel the false promise of proof
elections in the United States are impossibly convoluted every county and in some states every municipality
runs its own election, creating a patchwork system in which voters in one place may
a remarkably different voting process from their neighbours. Just a few miles away that variation
Can breed mistrust if voters
one county believe their election process is being administered correctly. Different methods in other counties might strike them is suspect, low
governments also rely on private companies like dominion and its competitors, s and as and hard, Inter Civic, which too,
Their control, ninety percent of the voting machine market to provide
machines, software and technical support for Americans who are suspicious about an election result or are looking to create suspicions. These relatively obscure private companies present an obvious target
in two thousand for after George W Bush narrowly one. The presidency Democrats focused on possible
glare at in Ohio, whose twenty electoral votes would have. Given the presidency to John carry the voting list,
in used in Ohio. That year came from Diebold Old, whose chief executive,
Walden Odell, with a long time republican donor a year before the election
EL wrote a letter to about a hundred people inviting them to a fundraiser. I am come
did to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president. Next year he wrote the law
Gwen, reinforced mistrust of deep old machines. Among some Democrats,
Adele later said, the letter was a huge mistake and deep old, ultimately
old, its voting machine business.
dominion was founded in the wake of a different controversy. The failure of punch card,
voting machines and their infamous hanging Chad's in the two thousand election after Congress funded a bill to replace those machines. Many counties purchase, direct Rico
being Electronic DE r E voting machines, which eliminated paper ballots altogether. The limits of that approach became a pair
and in two thousand six, when in Sarasota Florida, a Congress
will raise that used DE r e machines made by E s, and S produced a result that struck partisans and neutral observers as unlikely s and ass. I stood by the results, but in the absent
of a paper ballot doubts and uncertainty, lingered dominion,
was well positioned. At that moment, John Poulos, a accompanies chief executive,
and one of its founders started the business in two thousand three serving a small circle of clients who favoured a paper ballot.
additionally, dominion developed a taboo later that kept a digital image of the paper ballads, so they could be easily audited. They also sold machines that met the needs of visual.
Impaired voters with audio interfaces and headphones that allowed for independence and anonymity dummy
in grew fast,
wiring the assets of a competitor Sequoia voting systems in two thousand ten among sequoias staff was Eric Humor, who became dominion.
Vice president of engineering for the United States, comber worked with police for more than
decade at dominion? The investment firm, stable street cabin
who owns a majority share in the company combers role shift
over time from overseeing the company's engineers to a more strategic role. Working directly with
election officials in various states and
sing dominions services on technical panels for the two thousand twenty election activists and experts
for paper ballots nation wide to offer a straightforward, easily audited record Comer expressed
a common assurance among election specialists has pointed out the because every dominion system creates a durable voter, verifiable paper record of the cast votes, which is the official record. Voters had concrete
and of how the vote went in the face of any allegations of electronic vote, switching or other fraud. At the same time,.
Voting machine businesses new that paper ballads, can create some
confusion among voters such as the worry that ink from
our bees and other markers could bleed through the page and invalidate their vote. In fact,
I'll lay out, can avoid Miss reads from bleed throughs ensure bees have the advantage of drawing quickly so ink doesn't smudge on the scanner.
Concerns about sharpish, however, ended up feeding into coordinated efforts to cast doubt on the two thousand twenty election.
in Maricopa, County Arizona, the most populous county and a key swing stayed Domini.
In balance with a sharp, be friendly, lay out were used and pull workers handed the markers out
Some voters weren't prepared to use sharp after years of being told to avoid them the confusion ray
social media where, in the hands of partisan messaging networks, the charge quickly became Republicans were being given sure bees and Maricopa County in an effort to invalidate their votes. Dominion was still trying to help election officials address so
called sharpie gate when Polis gotta call on November forth, with more bad news in
from County Michigan ballots were updated shortly before election day, but the system used to tabulate them was not a series of failsafe procedures meant to address. Such an error had been overlooked.
As a result, preliminary returns showed Joe Biden leading in the heavily republican county before they were corrected to the frustration of key player.
in the election community, neither local officials
nor dominion immediately released a statement explaining what went wrong. The silence created an opportunity for those charging fraud to fill the vat.
Yom with unfounded allegations.
security experts distinguish between DIS information, straightforward lies and mouth
information information. That starts with a detail that is true, but is then used or taken out of context to support a full story line its harder to fight
EL information because of the fundamental truth being used to spread. The lies says
a few masterson who was a senior advisor for election security at the cyber security and infrastructure security agency. During
tromp administration Antrim
County. He worried at the time could be
as a prime source of male information. It was not until November
eggs that Michigan election officials began explaining
It happened by then rumours, including the false suggestion that Nancy
Lucy's husband, own dominion, had spread
Wanna Mcdaniel Chairwoman of the Republican National Committee held a news conference asserting that the fight is not over and that Antrim County
Her worry that there could be similar irregularities elsewhere. The Michigan state Legislature issued a subpoena too
date. Election officials asking for more information that same week, reports emerged of an election day glitch in Spalding County Georgia.
Their dominion machines were unable to call up voters ballots because of a problem with an outside vendors database and because procedures that would have caught the
our or provided other ways of calling up the ballots were not followed the local election
supervisor, however, told politico. The dominion representative had explained that the problem was the fault of an update. The company made the night before the election Polis was baffled. The technology,
not allow for that kind of remote update. As the machines are not connected to the internet, it would be like
me saying. I came in to your house and updated your kitchen table without you, knowing it police said, none of his employees phone records reflected any such com
and Georgia. Election authorities reported that along file that would have reflected and update the previous day showed none. The Republicans seconds
we have stayed Brad Reference Burger eventually called for the ouster of the official
She is no longer in that position, but the insulin
was another story that would stick to dominion. Georgia counties using same software
as Michigan counties also encounter glitch, ran
line on bright barred news on November seventh, after Sidney pals no
Amber eighth appearance on Fox NEWS Domini
became a fixture in election conspiracy theories, originally right,
wing chatter was linking dominion to election fraud, even in cities like Pittsburgh, which the company did not serve over time. The focus shifted to three important swing state.
Georgia, Arizona and Michigan that you
dominion machines beforehand?
for work on November. Tenth comber checked
Settings on his facebook account had he been
careless ass. He thought
Privacy settings ensured that his posts were only visible to his three hundred or so Facebook, friends, commerce,.
Deleting old posts, but he realized how foolishly, he had put
his faith in a notion of digital privacy. Anyway,
of commerce. Friends, and he
Several whom he knew to be Trump supporters could have taken screen shots of his posts and
the information along to someone who could use it at work, Comer felt an increasing sense of dread, but pool is the chief executive seemed confident that the old man story would blow over from policy perspective the conservative daily podcast
was hardly a top concern. When Fox NEWS was allowing Sidney Powell to air claims, the dominion switched votes comers younger brother, who requested that has
I'm not be used out of fear for his safety set up a dashboard
track online references to Eric humor. I deleted it.
in two days. He said the material was to disturbing and overwhelming. He recalled some of what he saw. People were essentially taking bets on how my brother's corpse would be found and which, in a fairy, a shadow group would be behind his death. He would be executed by the state or he would be found with a falsified suicide note and two gunshots
back of his head. He and Eric's older brother bill deleted their social media profiles and alerted friends and associates not to answer questions about them. They directed their parents to do the same. The younger
pact, a go bag in case he had to flee his home before long
druids of dominion, employees had their private information, address phone numbers name.
Of loved ones published on social media and thread started
bring in to their dominion. Email address,
email messages, kept arriving for Kumar as well, and hostile posts continued to appear
social media he's going to get MO. No one escapes this pain is comin over the next few days.
As Kumar tried to focus on wrapping up the election certification in Chicago, he thought about his complicated past and wondered what else might surface
he grew up the rebellious child of a high ranking military officer, a Vietnam veteran who fought during the TED Offensive and was a war.
The silver and bronze stars. Comer.
Brainy and restless received an arrow tc scholarship, but it was rescinded because of his asthma
ass, a teenager and into his twenties. He considered himself a skinhead, but he was a line.
the faction who were opposed to racism. To me, being skin is being proud.
You have a shaved at least short hair. He read
in nineteen. Ninety one
my earned his Phd in nuclear engineering from Berkeley in nineteen. Ninety seven, but grew disenchanted
the academia he started to feel more of his time with rock climbing.
and moved Colorado. He somebody you some.
He's El Capitan several times and became well known enough among elite climbers that he landed a job at planet out
wars, dot com which employed top athletes to answer customer questions. While he was there, he started writing code for the company. He continued climbing until problems in his personal life slowed him down
two thousand for at age, thirty, four. He rode on a climbing message board about his struggles with heroin and cocaine and how much
had damaged his life by then he was on the verge of bankruptcy, had lost his marriage and had ended up in prison after being charge.
Several counts of driving under the influence. Another bout of dry heaves, racked by
body as I lay on the cold cement floor of the jail cell. He wrote J
There is no picnic under the best of circumstances being
jail while withdrawing from heroin is absolutely the worst. I can imagine in two thousand five. He managed to stop using heroin for good. I stayed with
friend for a week and told him to take my shoes, and my wallet Comer told me three months later, while
was still in withdrawal. He received a cold call from someone asking if he would concern
doing programming work for Sequoia the voting
machine company whose assets Dominion purchased five years later soon he was channeling the same, obsessive focus. He had four key
coming into the voting machine business. It's obscure state laws
county regulations. Its competing and
complicated demands for privacy, security access and verify ability. I
in love with the election business Kumar said
there's, no money in it, and you only ever hear from people complaining about what went wrong, but it felt meaningful in two thousand. Sixteen Comer was on Facebook when he came across a few posts
from a relative referring to Barack Obama as a Muslim born in Kenya. Comber was appalled that one
his own family members was spreading this information, but instead of confronting his cousin directly, he poured all his discussed and disappointment into a two hundred word: Anti trumps greed that he posted on food.
Book. It was not intended for the general public Comer said it was
lashing out years later after the death of George Floyd Comer posted links to a punk band, singing pigs for slaughter and a hip hop song called cop shot.
On his podcast open, highlighted comers linking to both songs about a year before the two,
and twenty election Comer was part of several converse,
Asians among dominion, employees about how to balance their right to express themselves. With the sensitivities specific today,
industry, dominion also surged through its employees, social media accounts tracking for comments or tweets that might reflect poorly on the company. Now
whenever raised any concerns with comber about his posts, because his posts were available only to his facebook friends on Friday night,
birth, thirteenth, the right wing news outlet, the gateway, pundit picking up on old man's podcast ran a story that,
mentioned Comer by name in the headline included links to videos
which Kumar was talking about election security and ran a full reprint.
The open letter about Antigua that he had reposted on Facebook, while most of that letter was on
Controversial antifreeze supports and defends the right
all people to live free from oppressive abuse of power.
One line concluded that, while non violent protest was preferable, we can
and will not take responsibility for telling people
They are allowed to be righteously outraged. The letter also called for President Trump and vice president pens to resign. Although Nancy Pelosi isn't a great deal of improvement, Comer says he considered the letter. Secure
as soon as the gateway pondered article ran Comer knew he no longer could hope, realistically that his name would receive from the news later that evening, pooling asked tumor to join a call with Gabriel
hurling the chief operating officer for the Georgia Secretary of State Sterling met tumor
two thousand nineteen. When dominion, one a contract to help Georgia update its voting machines, someone had forwarded sterling an article
possibly the one in the gateway pundit. He says that featured the Facebook posts as well as opens claim
Comer rigging the election. My gut told me it was crap to begin with, but I had to ask the question Sterling says: yes, Kumar told both men, I did right or
repost, those things. No, it has never affected my work. No
was never on an anti for phone call. Now
I never said that I would interfere in the election in any way sterling who considered tumor one of the best in the business told humour that those postings, especially the one about Antigua, were a dumb ass thing to do. Comber sounded deflated to stir
lying Comer says it was excruciating to realise that sterling's reputation might suffer when they hung up the phone Polis made. It clear
that he found the situation. Deeply problematic, Comer B
to fear he might lose his job but became defiant. I was leg I dont know. First, amendment Comer told me dominion
reminded poorest had done nothing wrong. He had done nothing wrong. My attitude was this is bullshit. I've never done anything, but try to me
the whole process, more transparent and audible, and free and fair election officials who newcomer were surprised that he would express his political views so bluntly. It's not what we do in this industry says Master
the election security adviser in the Trump administration. Generally. This
immunity is very tough on people who don't toe that line Masterson considered
This step an anomaly for comber someone he had known for about a decade. He was serious about his job Masterson said,
never encountered him as being anything other than professional and making the system as good as he could the posts,
so pained Jennifer Morale, a founder of the
elections group, a company that helps counties and states
fi with voting regulations. It didn't look good, she said, and that's the frustrating part I.
This individual to be a really decent person. Who cares a lot about democracy and getting things right and transparency? And you read something like that, and it is a really hard thing to get past. Four critics Moreau
who came to know Kumar through a Colorado working group intended to improve the states. Audit system described him as irreverent, but clearly ethical, the posts. She said
did not reflect the person, she knew humour was hardly the first person to seek the rush
Rachel Self expression on social media only to decide
for the long, lasting costs later he spent
of time wondering how old men got his hands on those posts. Had a political
Operative, been doing opposition research on various election officials, keeping it at the ready, depending on the election results tumor a self described Motor
with an interest and vintage cars started to think the source might have been a facebook, for,
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is Eric. Tumors life changed on November Nineth so did Joe opens on his follow up podcast. The next day old man told his audience that he had good news. I have been in touch with someone who has put us in touch with the Trump attorneys he said.
That week old man spoke to Jenna Alice of Tromp campaign lawyer, who frequently appeared with Giuliani to promote law, suits to challenge the election results. She told him that he should
prepare a note, arrived affidavit of his allegations, which he did with
Help from the lawyer and conservative radio host Randy Corcoran that Saturday corporate
I did old man on his radio show and Representative Lauren Bird, a republic
from Colorado called in to talk about the election. She thanked old men for his work.
for the election of ended. His life old man was the chief executive of pin business network, a digital marketing company that he founded, which had about
sixty employees, the co owner of a gun shop. He was politically conservative,
and community minded a member
the United Way Tocqueville Society and a board member for a nonprofit group that assists refugees,
old man asked that I not name the organization, though it confirmed his association. He also rejects the label conservative. Despite the name of his podcast, the arrival of the corona virus
dynamic, marked his move into a more public role in the spring of two thousand twenty. He helped start
reopen Colorado movement which organised anti lockdown protests. People were struggling
as others were, throwing the constitution in the trash. He told me keep
Dan, giving impassioned interviews about the public health measures imposed by the States Governor Jared Polis by that October, following the two thousand twenty summer of
tests he had founded a nonprofit group. F, P C United, intended its website says to defend
the foundation of our american way of life through the pillars of faith, education and commerce, Effie Seas,
formed a partnership with a group known as the United American Defence Force, which the site explains, offers protection and support when
Sk responders, are unwilling or unable to fulfil their civic duties. Oatman characterizes it as a whole
monetary and group, though he
in an email. We are all armed
an early FCC event, a so called patriot, muster a trump supporter, assaulted and pepper, sprayed a security guard who shot and killed him. The guard was charged with second degree murder and has pleaded not guilty
the consumer story, took old men from the small world of right wing politics in Colorado into broader republican circles, the same week that he spoke to China.
This old man gave an interview about consumer to Michel Morgan, a former fox contributor,
in Colorado who had joined the even further right network news MAX around this time. Old man
can developing his theory of how a voting system could allow for fraud, which he later explained at length and a film called the deep rig
Someone could manipulate the system in various ways to allow for the possibility of adding fake or phantom ballots, which could be entered into the tabulation system. Real balance would be replaced with the fake ones. Without a history of that happening
clear from the video that Joel Oatman does not understand how elections are conducted or how the technology works says. Morale who said
of what old man proposed would require a widespread effort of workers from both parties colluding to bypass some key systems. Thanks
two old men and others. The conviction,
the dominion had helped rigged. The election for Joe Biden seem to solidify, among some of troms, most loyal supporters on
stay November. Twelve one America NEWS network, also known as away and ran a story,
about Dominion Short
After that Trump retweeted report does
noone deleted two point: seven million Trump votes nation wide, the first of may
he times tromp went to Twitter to attack dominion. Five days later
and away and Correspondence Chanel Ryan tweeted out opens claims about what Combers supposedly said on that anti for phone call. Then, just eight days after old man
first mentioned humour on his podcast Eric Tromp broadcast it to its widest audience, yet trumps, not gonna
and I made sure of that Eric Tromp tweeted above a photo of humor and alive,
to another gateway, pondered article. They called humour in its headline. An unhinged sociopath
lawyers for marking, Ryan away again and the Trump campaign each a defendant in the tumor lawsuit did not respond to requests for comment. Lawyers for the gateway pundit. Another Comer defendant declined to comment
Ray on later invited old men on her show to discuss his claims and the segment became
One of our and highest raided clips amassing one point
five million views on Youtube by then Eric Humours, nay.
started. Trending on twitter, along with hashtag arrest, Eric Humour on November Nineteenth pool
sitting in his office at his home in Toronto, turned on a small
A vision to watch a news conference happening at the Republican National Committee headquarters, which
Red Giuliani and Sydney Powell were hosting, he knew
that Giuliani and power had each separately accuse dominion of wrong doing on Fox news and on
wing new sites, but he dreaded hearing here
companies name at an event that seem to have the full legitimacy of the orange see behind it. After
half an hour of watching the event. At the orange see what police had feared came to pass
Giuliani reference tagging being done by a company that specializes in voter fraud then turned the microphone over to Sydney Powell Powell listed a series
of implausible claims about dominion in dead, PAN loyally tones pushing up the sleeve of her leopard print card. Again as it
a show she had real work to do she spoke
of the massive influence of communist money through Venezuela, Cuba and Likely
China on Dominions operations, pull. It says that while he watched he was in such a state of disbelief that he hunters
find himself that what he was seeing was real and not part of a nightmare. Oh my god, he screamed. I can't believe, what's going on, he yelled so loudly that his wife
and two teenage children came running into his home office. They found him there beside himself crying his children
Never seen him remotely emotional about his work. Now they stared shocked and mute, pull us
old anger towards Giuliani and power for using their power to spread false information. He also felt some sympathy for those voters disappointed by their candidates loss. Who would never
you be eager to believe what they were hearing from people so close to the president. The way many people felt watching
insurrection on January sixth, pooling told me was how he felt during that news conference. It was an assault on democracy. He says
power mentioned Comer by name embellishing old men story by claiming that there was an actual recording of humour on the anti for CALL Giuliani
Kumar up as well. By the way, the coma character who is close to antifraud, took off all of his social media ha, but we kept it. We ve got it. The man is a vicious vicious man. Giuliani said the room where he
speaking was from all reports. Hot and airless Giuliani. With sweating brown liquid started snaking down both sides of his face. He wrote horrible things about the President Giuliani continued. He is completely warped and he specifically says that they're going to fix this election. I don't know what you need to wake you up to do your job when comber watched the news, content,
He started sweating and shaking he thought he might vomit already earlier that we had met with security affair.
those that dominion hired, who told
It was not safe for him to go home. The day before the news conference, he had gone back to cholera,
where he had arranged to stay at a friend's cabin in the mountains. His arrival had been fraught when the plane touch down at the airport,
humor, try to log into his work email with no success. He texted pool
to let him know he was having a problem. Pulleys reminded him that he had suggested Kumar taken
break, which cover interpreted to mean he should try to take it easy for a while. He was still
helping clients he reminded Paulus, his boss, told him
The company would take care of things without him. Only then did
were realised that the walls were already going on around him here,
officially on leave, but he suspected that he would never work in elections again after he left the airport. He stopped by his home to feed his cats and pick up a right
for he then drove out of town to his friends, cabin. It was equipped with surveillance, cameras, an elaborate security system and a gun safe. He placed multiple guns around the property, so they would be easily reachable then
try to calm down. He had a lot to figure out, including what he
going to do with the rest of his life for several months.
Moved around to relieve his isolation, visiting close friends declining to tell him
parents and siblings, where he was staying to eliminate the possibility that anyone would slip up and reveal detail
his whereabouts to someone who might make them public, even though all his friends too,
him watching old man show was a terrible idea. He did it anyway. It was a way of staying on top of the situation of confronting his own fears.
He tracked the story on social media as it moved from old man's assertion that he had rigged the election to an explanation of how he did it on right wing, twitter, averted
Hitler storyline took off focusing on the dominion system of adjudication, which had commerce name among others, on the patent law
all digital adjudication systems Domini
allowed election officials to set various parameters to determine, at which point a ballot. If,
additional writing on it or only partially filled ovals would be directed to abide partisan panel. That would then agree based on state standards on voter in
and rather than making a new paper ballad, the system would create a digital record of the new adjudicated result, while preserving
original digital record
in one widely circulated, video comber was walking
Sean officials through the ways they could use it, using the first person to describe the various steps which suspicious viewers took litter
Thirdly, as if he were letting the officials know how he personally could change the adjudication settings
In the latter half of November a letter arrived at his parents, home with a hand, written profanity, screw
at the bottom telling them their son would suffer in jail his father now, eighty.
Began carrying a weapon on his person. Even at home. They received two calls
the middle of the night strangers asking to speak to Eric Commerce, parents
had already suffered more grief than most do in a lifetime. Their dog
died in a car accident, when she was only nine and Comer was twenty. Two nine
ago. His older sister, who worked as a paralegal and a teacher, also died at age. Forty seven after all,
illness comber felt powerless. He could not protect his family from harassment. Could not spare them further worry for the safety of one of their children, I'm so sorry he told them over
over comber stopped. Returning friends calls were sleepless at night and suffered
panic, attacks during the day
Occasionally he returned home for a few hours on
occasion in MID December, two men pulled up to the house.
They follow him there or just get lucky. He had
my dear, but he grabbed a gun. One of them
walked around the perimeter of his house. The other came right to the door peering in the large window.
One had a video camera as anybody.
from the deal J tried to contact you, the man called out incomers recollection. We just one
No, why you, through the election, do have a few minutes to talk. Comber told them to
if they were trespassing, Twentyman
It's after they left. He got a voicemail message.
one of the men identified himself as a journalist for a right wing news site now calling
to follow up in December as trumps. Various lawsuits were starting to be dismissed in court.
Oatman began posting more menacing messages, Eric Humor, you are a trader. He wrote
We are coming for you and your shit bag company. On December, eighth comber responded to some of the attacks in an opposite for the Denver posed
called out the fringe media personalities who continue to prey on the fears of a public concerned about the safe
and security of our electoral system. He also claimed that any posts on social media accounts purporting to be from me have also been fabricated, and yet Comer had written the posts that old man had highlighted, asked about. The misleading language, Comer can
seeds that his writing could have been clearer but says he was referring to social media purporting to be his that were posting at the time his own facebook account
no longer active. The column did not help
numerous credibility among those inclined to mistrust him already. His name
truly unknown and most mainstream circles was now tightly linked.
with the story of dominion fraud, especially among Q, Anon followers according
The non partisan and non profit group advance democracy ink from November first to January, seventh
Combers name appeared in twenty five percent of the tweets that mention dominion in its database of Cuba,
non related accounts on December, twenty second comber file,
his defamation lawsuit together defendants conceived of a story that the results of the election were fraudulent, unconsciously set out to establish the doktor Comer perpetuate
This fraud so as to further their own ends. The amended complaint reads all the claims they made about. Comber started with old man
with his story about consumer being on and Antigua call that Eric Trump retweeted that Giuliani and Powell trumpeted at the November nineteenth event at the orange see their defence would rest on the credibility of omens claim, or at least some proof that it had a basis. In reality, the day before the defamation, lawsuit was fine
the old man reported on his podcast that the FBI had been asking questions about him, although he did not specify why dominion too
sent. Him a letter demanding that he retract his statements and preserve all records related to his repetition of the outlandish story that you infiltrated Antigua early in the new year old man was gearing
for the rallies planned before the ascertainment of the election on January Sixth, do
tell me you are tired. He wrote in a post that one thousand one people liked. I M here to tell you
We are winning. This fight against evil, now stand
the hell up, run some dirt in it and don't stop till the evil is crushed,
with the heel of your shoe. We
the warriors, who must stand up to the evil we face on Jane.
Where a fifth at a rally on freedom, Plaza in Washington, a series of Anti vaccines, conspiracy, theorists Soros, Haters and Trump supporters addressed a large crowd if they want to fight they better,
believe they ve got one. The right wing radio host Alex Jones, roared Peter,
while a White House adviser whipped the crowd into a frenzy about the supposedly false election and then, finally,
following Roger stone. The last speaker of the day stepped up to the lectern open. He was introduced as a business man, a data expert and most
importantly, the guy, who found and fingered Eric tumor open and tried to talk the crowd through a fool,
short presentation involving tabulation systems and fake ballots, but by far the biggest response he God was when he mentioned Puma Eric Humor is suing me. He said I am going to
crush him in discovery. The crowd roared later
Oatman described in various podcast interviews. What happened?
his time in Washington,
on January sixth, he clay.
That he went to the State Department to talk to a lawyer who worked with Secretary of State MIKE Palm PEO, to explain what he'd uncovered they said. If this is true, this is a coup I said. Well, that's exactly that's what I would call it he recalled. He also claim
but he met with John Eastman, a lawyer who was arguing to trumps team that pens could legally reject the election. Oatman claimed that he fed Eastman
the theory of election fraud that he presented at the rally on January sixth near the ellipse, where tromp spoke shortly before a crowd stormed the capital. Oatman also said he
asked Giuliani, to arrange a meeting with tromp to walk him through the same theory of election fraud he had been presenting to others. I was leg. Look just put me in front of President Trump
Oatman were called claiming that Giuliani and others arranged for him to have that meeting on January seventh in a deposition Giuliani, so
he did not believe he had met old man, but he could not be sure, but the day after the insurrection doors that had perhaps once been open or now closed, there were people who stopped me from having those meetings with president.
from on the seventh old man, told one pod castor. We were dealing with a compromised group of people who don't understand what courage is instead of meeting with the President old man said he received a call.
From an executive at pen who was calling to tell him that he had lost the confidence of the board open step down. He called it a sad day and some
that is driving my fire to get to the bottom of the truth. In those first weeks at his friends, cabin commerce
times felt rage at all that had been taken from him. Often he lay
wake all night trying to determine if he heard sounds outside following the violence
and of January six comber decided to leave the country
ahead of the inauguration. He remained abroad for three weeks finding respite in a whole world full of people whom he could be fairly sure had never heard of him. In late April
homer, decided to take a three week. Camping trip with no access to email or text messages on May fourteenth.
He was again within range of a cell phone tower. His phone started pinging over and over and over congratulations. Many of the texts read, but he was also receiving texts and voice males their reminded him of what he had left behind
harassment comments from hostile strangers that arrived on his phone, telling him one way or another that he was going to jail calmer
receiving a new onslaughts of attention, because news MAX, which had originally been named in his defamation, lawsuit, had decided to settle. It also issued an apology acknowledging that it had found no evidence to support them
claims. The network arid about comers influencing the election comber felt some relief it sometimes heads
and that there would never be any accountability for
Anyone ever, but at the same time, the number of hostile texts he received,
reminded him that no settlement was likely to put an end to his ordeal in May. Kumar formerly
left minion after negotiating a mutually agreed upon separation with them. It was, he says, a surreal day.
one more reminder that his life had changed irrevocably by June. A dossier on com
that was more than a hundred pages long began. Making the rounds on telegram. It included. Links to writing comber posted as a twenty something about the loss of his younger sister. It included photos of his Ex wife and five possible email addresses.
her and listed what it claimed were the make and model of his brothers car. It proposed a far fetched theory
consumers animists toward tromp was because of political decisions that hurt his brothers employer. It also included a link to the essay humor had posted on a climbing message board, in which he said
frankly of his drug addiction and where he mentioned in a back and forth with calm enters a mental health disorder
Although Comer now says he was never clinically diagnosed even before he saw the door,
Yea Comer knew from his incoming texts and emails which overflowed with threats:
it's something new without their continuing to stoke people's anger on August, Eleventh Oatman was scheduled to be deposed by Coomer's lawyer.
For the defamation suit. Comber arrived at the State Court House in Denver early that morning. It would be the first time he would be in the same
with old men, commerce
with his lawyer, Steve Scandalous, who had flown in from Boston and too
other lawyers. At nine, a m Oltmanns lawyer
for them that old man would not be appearing in court because he didn't feel safe in the court house. His lawyer, Andrea Hall,
offered to do the deposition, vs zoom. The judge was compelling him
reveal the name of the person who brought him in on the anti FA conference call and even though the
agreed, the name would remain sealed. Oatman had refused for that person, safety and his own. He said now. He was afraid that if he were put in jail for contempt, he would be dead within. Seventy two hours hall told me.
The previous weeks, the judge assigned to old man's case made rulings that did not caught in his favour.
Cluding allowing Coomer's legal team to do preliminary discovery with the various defendants
where's lawyers have also deposed Powell and Giuliani about their roles in spreading their conspiracy theories about Comer and dominion. The judge has become an activist judge,
old man said on an episode of conservative daily in July she's, allowing things to go forward
should not have been allowed to come forward at times the weight of the charges
seems to weigh heavily on him. I don't want to get to the place where I feel sorry for myself open
said during a special three part: conservative daily podcast on the topic of the Kumer suit
sounded emotional, I don't feel sorry for myself. Old man says that he like humor, has been the subject of death threats on his podcast, though he continues to push and ever grander theory of election fraud. The more viewers old men attracts the bigger his audience for a service. He promotes on his show the so called facts blast in which users can pay to have faxes sent to various legislate,
is on their behalf. This spring he started attracting advertisers as well, including my pillow, a business owned by MIKE Lyndal, who is also being sued by dominion for his statements, accusing the company of rigging the election. Previously one of the biggest advertisers on Fox NEWS,
indeed, has been boycotting the network since they refuse to air and advertisements claiming election fraud. He did not reach
to a request for comment. Instead of
owing up in court on that August morning, Oatman was in South Dakota at a cyber security. Some
it was him hosted by window who, at one point rushed off state,
when it was announced that his motion to dismiss dominions defamation had been rejected, Steve Bannon, who was
also, at the event interviewed old man on his podcast bands war room, I think people are asking Bannon said two old men if its alone
food and you think you ve got the truth and law on your side. Why would you
show up for a deposition. The judge old men explained was appointed by Jared Polis, a Democrat.
Humor is finding little comfort in the slow movement of the judicial process. He has started a new business, but he has not yet publicly disclosing what it is. He is still prone to panic attacks in August,
was disturbed to find out. The Jennifer Morel had been receiving threats after the gateway. Pundit ran a two thousand eighteen photo of her at a barbecue at combers home. For her part, Marilla says that
MRS being able to consult with tumor on election matters. Earlier this spring morale says she was struggling to understand,
technicality involved in a new audit procedure. First state that hired her. She briefly thought of calling Coomer
clarification, but
he realized. The talking to him was no longer an option, even if he had still
working in the industry talking to Tacoma
She worried could leave her client vulnerable. There's this concern
I don't want any phone record. She said, even though everything seemed crate,
the and outlandish, and you knew it was false and build on lies and conspiracy. You didn't want to do anything
It could jeopardize other places where you were providing support, although combers case was especially severe
post election officials she knew had been receiving since the election, death threats or hateful messages. One colleague had photos of her children sent to her along with threatening, notes and now had security,
side, her home following earlier mentions of her election work in the press Marilla had received.
A flurry of massage violent, violent. A message sent sent her view. Her companies website said that the caucasian founding fathers gave us a second amendment to use against the enemies of this nation. We fully intend to
sir size this amendment to rid our society of you and your ilk Morales,
She regularly gets calls from state or local election officials who say they are losing staff at the times recently reported that twenty five percent of the direct
is or deputy auditors of elections in fourteen counties in Ohio have left their jobs, the loss of so much instead,
who tional knowledge and expertise. The sheer shortage of workers,
Another challenge facing an already frail election system coma
said he no longer wakes up every hour, wondering if someone is outside his home, but in some ways it's gotten worse, he said
when the campaign against him started, he feared for his safety, but he thought the danger would be temporary, but nine
Hans later, he had to accept that the changes to his life or permanent
Now it's almost becoming a mainstream accepted narrative that I helped Reagan, election millions of peace
now believe that story, and it was how history or certain
theirs and readers of history would forever remember him.
What happened in an from county was one case study in the power of male information. Coumarin
is another
think dominion as a company would be facing all of the same things. They are right now, without me, Kumar said, but
I was an accelerant and for life
of a better word. I was a perfect villain.
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