In this episode, Leslie Jamison, a writer and teacher, explores the potentially constructive force of female anger — and the shame that can get attached to it.
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I'm Leslie Dream, I'm a writer and the teacher and then two thousand eighteen,
an essay about women's anger, so I broke ass p,
an early two thousand and thirteen and actually finished the peace on hospital bed. A few
after giving birth to my daughter and now that your leg and other universe, my daughter, is two and a half
we're in the middle of a pandemic. I've been in quarantine with
tolerance is your and our tiny apartment, but in so many ways
dear that I was writing about in the peace
exploring the shame that can get attached to female anger, exploring the potentially can
active force, a female anger feel more relevant to me than ever, and I was thinking a lot about a thrilling. The kind of world building force a FEMA anger when I watched Representative Alexandria, Cassio Cortez his speech last week at the House of Representatives where she was responding to a particular incident of harassment that she'd experienced at the hands of another representative, but she was using that experience to talk about a much larger pattern of sexism. Sexual harassment, massaging, estate, mistreatment and you could see and feel in her words and in her eloquence and in her self possession the ways than one
she was simultaneously motivated by fury and also harnessing that fury and argument. One of the things that speech was making me think about with the way the ordering more just
I'm anger as something that can potentially function as a kind of corrective surgery, which is to say anger, ten be destructive can be horribly destructive, but it's not always destructive, and when that
Whereas harnessed and turned into awareness turned into argument. I can change the law
so here's my essay, I used to insist. I did.
Get angry, not anymore
I truly away on. For years I described myself as someone who wasn't prone to anger. I dont get angry. I said I get sad. I believed this inclination
Mainly about my personality, let sadness was a more naturally motion for me than anger that I was somehow built this way. It's easy to misunderstand the self as private, when its rarely private at all. It's always a public artifact, never fixed perpetually sculpted by social forces. In truth, I was proud to describe myself in terms of sadness
rather than anger, why sadness seemed more refined and also more selfless as if you were holding the pain inside yourself,
rather than making someone else deal with its blunt force trauma. But a few years ago I started to get a knot in my god at the canned cadences of my own refrain, I dont get angry. I get sad at the shrillest moments.
Our own self declarations, I am acts I am now.
Why we often hear in that tinny register. Another truth lurking expectantly and begin to realise. There are things about ourselves. We don't ya know, by which I mean that at a certain point I started to suspect I was angry or than I thought
Of course it wasn't anger when I was four years old and took a pair of scissors to my parents, couch warning so badly to destroy something whatever I could. Of course it wasn't anger when I was sixteen and my boyfriend broke up with me,
and I caught up the inside of my own angle, wanting so badly to destroy something whatever I could. Of course, I wasn't
anger when I was thirty four and fighting with my husband when I screamed into a pillow after he left the house or daughter, wouldn't here than through my.
I'll phone across the room and spent the next ten minutes searching for it under the bed and finally founded and a small pile of cat format. Of course, it was an
when, during a faculty meeting early in my teaching days, I distributed statistics about
Many female students and our department had reported instances of sexual harassment the year before more than half of them, a faculty member grew indignant and insisted that most of those claims probably didn't have any basis at all. I clinched my fists. I struggled to speak. It wasn't that I could say for
or what had happened in each of those cases. Of course, I couldn't they were just anonymous numbers on the page, but their sheer volume seemed horrifying. It demanded attention. I honestly hadn't expected that anyone would resist these numbers or force me to account for why it was important to
look at them. The scrutiny of the room made me struggle for words. Just when I
did them most. It made me
my nails into my palm. What was that emotion? It was not sadness. It was rage,
The phenomenon of female anger has often been turned against itself, the figure of the
Angry woman refrained as thread not the one,
he's been harmed, but the one bent on harming
he conjures lineage of threatening archetypes the harpy and her talents, the witch and her spells the matter.
LISA and her writhing locks the notion
that female anger is unnatural or destructive is learned. Young children report perceiving
blaze of anger as more acceptable from boys than from girls. According to a review of studies of
under and anger, written in two thousand by an increasing psychology, professor at the University of California. Berkeley
and women self report anger episodes with comparable degrees of frequency, but women report experience
more shame and embarrassment in their aftermath, people or more
play to use words like bitchy and hostile to describe female anger, while male anger is more likely to be described as strong cream report
It's that men are more likely to express their anger by physically assaulting objects or verbally attacking other people, while Women
are more likely to cry when they get angry, as if their bodies are forcibly
turning them to the appearance of the emotion sadness with which they are most commonly associated. A two thousand. Sixteen study found that it took longer for people to correctly identify the
under a female faces, displaying an angry expression as if the IMF
and had wandered out of its natural habitat by finding its way to their features. A nineteen ninety study conduct
by the psychologists of Limburg.
And allow Lindqvist found that, when female
says are recognised as angry. There is
oceans are rated as more hostile than comparable expressions on the faces of men as if their vile,
Nation of social expectations had already made their anger seem more extreme, increasing its volume beyond what could be tolerated in what happened. Her account of the truth,
sixteen presidential election Hillary Clinton describes the pressure not to come across as angry during the course of her entire political career
A lot of people recoil from an angry woman. She rights as well.
Was her own desire not to be consumed by anger after she lost the rays so that the rest of my life wooden
He spent like Miss Havisham from Charles Dickens is great expectations rattling around my house obsessing over. What might have been the spectre of Dickens is ranting spinster,
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If an angry woman makes people uneasy than her more palatable counterpart. These sad woman summons sympathy more readily. She often looks beautiful and her suffering and nobles transfigured elegant, angry women are messier. Their pain threatens to call
more collateral damage. It's as if the prospect of a woman's anger harming other people threatens to rob her of the social capital she has gained by being wronged. We are most come.
Well with female anger when it promises to regulate itself, to refrain from recklessness to stay civilized. Consider the red carpet clip of
the Thurman that went viral in November during the initial swell of sexual harassment accusations, the clip doesn't actually show sermons getting angry. It shows her very conspicuously refusing to get angry
After commending the Hollywood women who had spoken out about their experiences of sexual assault, she said that she was waiting to feel less angry before she spoke herself. It was curious that
Women's public declarations were lauded as a triumphant vision of female anger, because the clip offered precisely
version of female anger that we have long been socialized to produce and accept. Not the spectacle of feed
anger unleashed by the spectacle of feed
Anger, restrained sharpened to a photo genetic point by withholding the specific
story of whatever made her angry Thurman made her anger itself, the story and the raw force of her?
Our goal not to get angry on that red carpet, summoned the force of her.
Anger, even more powerfully than its full explosion, would have just as the monster
a movie is most frightening when it only appears offscreen. This was a question I began to consider quite frequently, as the slew of news stories accrued last fall.
How much female anger has been lurking offscreen? How much anger has been biting its time and biting its tongue, weary of being pathologies as hysteria or dismissed as paranoia, and one of my own vexed feelings about all this female anger.
Why were they even vexed? It seemed a failure of moral sentiment or a betrayal of feminism, as if I were somehow siding with the patriarchy or had internalized it so thoroughly. I couldn't even spot the edges of its toxic residue. I intuitively embraced and supported other women's anger, but struggled the claim my own. Some of this has to do with the ways I'd been lucky. I had experienced all kinds of gender digression, but nothing equivalent to the horror stories, so many other women have lived through, but it
also had to do with an abiding aversion to anger that still festered like wrought inside me, in what I had always understood. As self awareness I dont get
Angry I get sad. I came to see my own complicity in the same logic that has trained women to bury their anger or perform its absence for a long time I was drawn to
sad, lady icons, describes and bards of loneliness and melancholy has a certain kind of slightly morbid, slightly depressive, slightly self intoxicated, deeply predictable, preemptively apologetic literary fan girl I loved Sylvia Plath. I was obsessed with her own obsession with her own blood. What a thrill that
red plush and drawn to her suffering silhouette a woman abandoned by her cheating, husband and ensnared by the gender double standards of domesticity. I attached myself to them
drove her autobiographical avatar Esther Greenwood who live
in a bathtub in the Bell jar bleeding during a rehearsal of a suicide attempts and later stands at a funeral. Listening to the old,
brag of my heart I am I am. I am hurried
judgment to pain her own and others was also a declaration of identity. I wanted to get it
two on my arm? Whenever I listen to my favorite female singers,
easier for me to sing along too. There are sad lyrics than their angry ones. It was easier to play on the Franco on repeat crooning, about heartbreak
did. I ever tell you how I stopped eating. When you stopped calling me, then it was to hear her fury and her irritation at the ones who stayed sad and quiet in her shadow, some chicks
Thank you for saying all the things I never do. I say you know the thanks. I get is to take all the free. You.
I kept returning to the early novels of Gene Rees whose wounded heroines flopped around dinner.
He rented rooms in various european capitals seeking solace from their heartbreak, stating cheap comforters with their wine
Sancho the heroine of good morning midnight, the most famous of these early Pegre asks of pain, resolves to drink herself to death and manages mainly to cry her way across Paris. She cries
phase at bars and her lousy hotel room. She cries at work, she cries and a fitting room. She cries on the street. She cries near the Seine. The closing scene of the novel is a scene of terrifying passivity. She, let's array flag man into her bed, because she can't summoned the energy to stop him as if she is finally lost touch with her willpower entirely in life
Greece was infamous for her sadness what one friend called her gramophone needle stuck in a groove thing of going over and over miseries of one sort and another. Even her biographer called her one of the greatest self pity artists in the history of english fiction,
it took me years to understand how deeply I have misunderstood those women. I've missed the reach that fuelled plants, poetry like a ferocious gasoline lifting her speech,
curse sometimes literally into flight. Now she is flying more terror.
Than she ever was red scar in the sky, red comment,
over the engine that killed her them.
So Liam the Wax House, the speaker, becomes a scar, this
irrefutable evidence of her own pain, but this scar in turn becomes a comment
terrible and determined soaring triumphant over the instruments of her own suppose. Destruction. I'd always been preoccupied with the panes disintegration of path speakers, but once I started looking, I saw the comet trails
you're, angry resurrections everywhere, delivering their unapologetic fantasies of retribution out of the
I rise with my red and I
men like air I'd love to reason. For nearly a decade before I read her final novel Wide Sargasso Sea, a re imagining of Charlotte Bronte is Jane Eyre, whose whole plot leads inexorably towards an act of destruction,
Anger, the mad first wife of Mister Rochester burns down the english country manner where she has been imprisoned in the attic for years. In this late masterpiece, the heroines of recent early novels heartbroken, drunk cod in complicated choreography of passivity, are replaced by an angry woman with a torch ready to use the masters tools to destroy his house
it wasn't that these authors were writing exclusively about female anger rather than female sorrow. Their writing holds both states feeling wide Sargasso Sea excavate the deep vein
sadness running beneath and otherwise opaque act of angry destruction and plants. Poems are invested in articulating the complicated, effective breeds of bitterness. Irony, anger, pride,
and sorrow that others often misread as monolithic sadness. They explain people like that
by saying that their minds are in water, tight compartments, but it never seemed so to me. Reese herself once wrote it's all washing about like the built in the hold of a ship. It has always been easy.
Or to shunned female sadness and female anger into the water tight compartments of opposing archetypes
other than acknowledging the ways they run together in the cargo hold of every female psyche near the
and of the new by OPEC. I Tanya Tanya Harding's character explains America. They want someone to love, but they want someone to hate the timing of the films release in late two thousand. Seventeen seemed comically apt.
It resurrected a definitional prototype of female anger, at least for many women.
Like me, who came of age during the nineteen nineties at the precise moment that so many women were starting to get publicly explicitly unapologetically. Angry Harding was an object of fascination not just because of the soap opera. She dangled before the public gaze, supposedly conspiring with her ex husband and an associate to plan and attack on her rival,
your skater Nancy Kerrigan, but also because she and Kerrigan provided a Yin and Yang of primal female archetypes as a vision of anger, uncouth and unreal.
Drained the woman, everyone loved to hate exploding at the judges when they didn't give her the scores she felt she deserved. Harding was the perfect foil for the elegant suffering of Kerrigan sobbing and her Lacy white leotard. Together, they were an impossible due to turn away from the sad girl and the mad girl wounded
wicked their binary, segregated one vision of femininity. We adored rule abiding delicate hurting from another. We despised, trashy whiny, angry Harding with strong. She was poor
She was pissed off and eventually in the narrative, embraced by the public. She turned those feelings into violence, but I Tanya illuminates would so little press coverage at the time paid attention to the perfect storm of violence that produced hoardings anger in the first place, her mothers abuse and
husbands, which is to say no woman's anger, is an island when the Harding and Kerrigan controversy swept the media. I was ten years old
their story was imprinted on to me as a series of reductive, but indelible brush strokes. Why
woman shouting at the media, another woman weeping just beyond the ice rink, but after watching I Tanya.
Realizing how much these two women had existed to me as ideas rather than as women. I did what any reasonable person would do.
Googled Tanya Nancy, obsessively I googled did Tanya ever apologize to Nancy. I google
Tanya, Harding Boxing career and discovered that it effectively began with her two thousand to celebrity boxing match against Polish Jones. Two women paid to perform the absurd caricatures, a vengeful femininity, the public had projected onto them. The woman who cried harassment versus the woman who bashed kneecaps in the documentary is, I watched, I found Harding differ,
All too, like she comes off as a self deluded liar with a robust victim, complex, focused,
her own misfortune to the exclusion of anyone else's. But what does the fact that I found Harding difficult to like say about the kind of women uncomfortable liking? Did I want the plot line in which the woman, who is survived her own hard life, abusive mother, abusive husband, enduring poverty, also emerges with a likeable personality, a plucky spirit, a determined work ethic and agree
for self effacing relationship to her own suffering. The vision of Harding and I Tanya is something close to the opposite of self effacing. The film even includes a fantastical reenactment of the crime, which became popularly known as the whack heard round the world in which Harding stands over care against cowering body.
But Tom raised high above her head striking her bloody knee until Harding turns back toward the camera, her face defiant and splattered with caravans blood, even though the attack was actually carried out by a hired hitman. This imagined seen distills the version of the
worry that America became obsessed with, in which one woman's anger leaves and
Woman traumatized, but America's obsession with these two women wasn't that simple there
another story that rose up in opposition
the shadow story, parting
and a monster, but a victim, an underdog unfairly, vilified and character.
Was a cry baby who made too much of her pain. In a two thousand fourteen dead, spin essay confessions of a on Harding apologist, Lucy Madison Road. She represented the fulfilment of an adolescent revenge, fantasy
my adolescent revenge fantasy, the one where the girl who doesn't quite fit in manages to soar over every ones without giving up a fraction of her prerogative, and I could not have loved her more when Kerrigan
crouched sobbing, on the floor near the training ring right after the attack. Newsweek described it as the sound
one dream breaking. She famously cried out. Why why why? But when news we ran the story on its cover:
it printed the quote as why me, the single added word turned her shock into cleaning self pity these two seemingly contradictory versions of Harding and Kerrigan.
Raging, ditch and innocent victim or bad girl, hero and wine. Crybaby offered the same cut out dolls dressed indifferent costumes. The entitled weeper was the unacceptable version of US
like victim. The scrappy underdog was the acceptable version of a raging bitch. At first glance, they seemed like opposite stories. Betraying are conflicted collective relationship defeat,
anger that it's either heroic or uncontrollably destructive and our love hate relationship with victimhood itself. We love a victim to hurt for but grow irritated by one who hurts too much. Both stories, however, insisted upon the same segregation. A woman couldn't hurt and be heard at once. She could be either angry or sad. It was easier to outsource those emotions to the bodies of separate women than it was to acknowledge that they reside.
Together in the body of every woman ten years ago in Nicaragua, a man punched me in the face on a dark street ass. I sat on a curb afterwards
covered and my own blood holding a cold bottle of beer. Against my broken knows, a cop asked me for a physical description of the man who had just mugged me. Maybe twenty minutes later, a police vehicle pulled up a pickup truck out fitted with a bird cage. In the back. There was a man in the cage. Is this him? The cop asked
I shook my head horrified acutely aware of my own power, realizing
that moment that simply saying I was hurt could take away a strangers liberty. I was a white woman
foreigner volunteering at a local school and I felt ashamed of my own familiar silhouette, a vulnerable
white woman crying Danger
at anonymous men lurking in the shadows. I felt scared and embarrassed to be scared
old embarrassed that everyone was making such a fuss. One thing I did not feel was anger that night, my sense of guilt, my shame at being someone deemed worthy of protection and at the ways that protection.
Endanger others effectively blocked my awareness of my own anger. It was as if my privilege
Wade, my vulnerability and that man I wasn't in title
to any anger at all. But if I struggled to feel entitled to anger that night in Nicaragua, I have since come to realise that the real entitlement has never been anger. It has always been it.
Absence, the aversion to anger I had understood in terms of temperament or intention was, in all honesty, also a luxury when the blind
feminist writer and activist Audrey Lord described her anger as a lifelong response to systemic racism. She insisted upon it as a product of the larger social landscape rather than private, emotionally ecology. I have lived with that anger on that anger beneath that anger. On top of that anger, for most of my life,
After the summer, Thurman Clip went viral, the Trinidad and journalist Stacy Marie Ishmael tweeted, interesting, which kinds of women are praised for public anger. I've spent my whole career, reassuring people. This is just might
he's. Michelle Obama was dogged by the level of angry black woman for the duration of her husbands. Time in office. Scientific research has suggested that the experience of racism leads African Americans to suffer from higher blood pressure than White Americans and has a pauper sized that this disparity
ices from the fact that they accordingly experience more anger and are simultaneously expected to suppress it. The tennis superstars Serena Williams was fined over eighty
one thousand dollars for an angry outburst against the lines woman at the US open in two thousand and nine. I swear to God all expletive take this ball and shove. It down your expletive throat, Gretchen Carlson
box anger at the time called another. One of Williams is angry outbursts and two thousand eleven a symbol of what's wrong with our society today, Karlsson. Of course,
has since come to embody a certain brand of female empowerment. One of the leading voices accusing the late Fox NEWS
Chairman Roger Ales of sexual harassment. She recently published a book called, be fears, stop harassment and take your power back, but the portrait on its cover of affairs skinned blonde haired woman, smiling slightly in a dark turtleneck reminds us that fierceness has always been more palatable from some women than from others. What good is anger anyway? The philosopher mothah, Nous bomb, invokes Aristotle's definition of anger, as
response to a significant damage that contains within itself a hope for pay back to argue that anger is not only a stupid way.
To run one's life, but also a corrosive public force predicated on the false belief that pay back can redress the wrong doing that inspired it sheep
it's out that women have often embraced the right to their own anger as a vindication of equality, part of a larger project of empowerment.
That its promise as a barometer of equality shouldn't obscure our vision of its dangers. In this current moment of ascendant female anger, are we taking too much for granted about its value? What if we could make space for both anger and
reckoning with its price in her seminal nineteen, eighty one essay the uses of anger, Audrey Lord Way,
is the value of anger differently than Nous bomb, not in terms of retribution, but in terms of connection and survival. It's not just a by product of systemic evils. She argues but a catalyst for useful discomfort and clearer dialogue. I have suckled the wolf's lip of anger. She rights and I have used it for illumination laughter protection fire in places where there was no light. No food, no sisters, no quarter anger, isn't just a blaze burning structures to the ground. It also casts a glow, generates heat and brings bodies and a communion. Every woman has a well stop.
Arsenal of anger, potentially useful against those oppressions. Lord rights, which brought that anger into being confronting my own aversion to anger, asked me to shift from seeing it simply as an emotion to be felt and toward understanding it as a tool.
To be used. Part of a well stocked arsenal when I walked in the women's March and
Washington a year ago, one body among thousands, the act of marching didn't just mean claiming the right to a voice. It
publicly declaring my resolve to use it, I've come to think of anger in similar terms, not as a claiming a victimhood but as an owning of accountability. As I write this as a eight months pregnant, I dont hope that my daughter never gets angry.
I hope that she lives in a world that can recognize the ways anger and sadness live together and the ways ray
age and responsibility so often seen as
natural enemies can live together as well, once upon a time
I had enough anger in me to crack crystal the poet Kiki Petros, seen. Oh right,.
And her two thousand eleven poem at the tea house. I boiled up from
in my enormous night dress with my lungs full of burning chrysanthemums. This is a vision of anger as fuel and fire
as a powerful inoculation against passivity as strange, but wholly milk suckled from the wolf. This anger is more like an edge than a wound. It demand
Is that something happened. It's my own rage at that faculty meeting when the voices of students who had become statistics at our fingertips were being asked to hush up to step back into their tidy columns. This anger isn't about deserving it's about necessity. What needs to boil us out of bed and billow our dresses? What needs to be
in our voices, glowing and fearsome fully aware of its own heat,
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