The whistle-blower complaint at the center of the impeachment inquiry was released on Thursday as the Trump administration official who had declined to turn it over — Joseph Maguire, the acting director of national intelligence — testified before Congress. Here’s the latest from Capitol Hill. Guest: Julie Hirschfeld Davis, the congressional editor for The New York Times. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.
Background reading:
- The complaint accused President Trump of pressuring Ukraine’s leader to investigate a political rival and alleged that the White House tried to “lock down” the transcript of the call.
- Here’s what we’ve learned about the whistle-blower.
- Read a declassified version of the complaint, with annotations, and eight takeaways from the document.
This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
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they did it do whistle blower complaint at the centre of the impeachment inquiry is released as the Trump Administration official who had refused to turn. It off testifies before Congress, the
from capital held its private September. Twenty seventh Julie S, I'm here, hey, hey
why I'm gonna gain or near the top. I think so. This Thursday number one the impeachment inquiry in Washington. So how does Thursday begin so thirsty?
and with everyone anticipating, possibly seeing what is in this whistle blower complaint whistleblower complained about president
strong call to Ukraine is expected to be declassified and release today the day before
we had all gotten to see a copy of version of a transcript of a call between President Trump and the President of Ukraine,
and we knew that the whistle blower complaint was related to that call. Julie, Davis is the congressional editor at Times
It was also clear that there was more to the complaint that just that call and-
we are all waiting to see whether it would be released and what it would say
we started the Fox newsworthy explosive whistleblower complaint declassified overnight and engine
a few hours, the director of national intelligence, we'll have to answer to lawmakers about that report. When we woke up Thursday morning, everyone was anticipating a big hearing that was going to take place on Capitol Hill,
Soon we will hear one car has to say, but there are questions about what we will hear from him. Half
Can the DNA go in and open session, where the acting director of national intelligence, Joseph Maguire, who is the official who was in possession of this whistle blower complaint, but had withheld it from Congress, was gonna, come and testify and, as it turned out of here,
moments before the hearing began that breaking news. If you come on air and the impeachment inquiry into president time just moments ago, the intelligence committee sent out the unclassified version of the complaint because would tell me about this document, so
document, is pretty long memo. It's very detailed
old and has a lot of legislative citations and add. My first impression was that this was a person,
you really knew what they were doing and was being very careful
the way that they were laying out this episode that there were counting. The second thing was, as a rapporteur to me, really felt leg
an investigative document like someone had done a lot of digging and cross referencing and talking to people talking to his colleagues
try to figure out what was actually going on here and hid pieced together a pretty compelling and pretty damning picture of what he is alleging. The president and the president's team has been up to when it comes to their interactions. With
the crane
So would you actually we'd from it sure? So it's addressed to
chairman burned german chef, who are the Senate and House Intelligence Committee chairmen, any rights. I am reporting and urgent concern in accordance with the procedures outlined in fifty. U S, code, section, thirty, thirty, three cave
I've. A this letter is unclassified and all caps when separated from the attachment. It's pretty family is very formal and I'll. Just stop here to say it's written in such a way that you can tell that this person is being careful to make it very difficult for the administration to try to withhold or somehow suppress what it is that he's trying to complain about women. There's a bullet point a little bit further down on a second page where it says if a classification marking is applied retroactively. I believe it is incumbent upon the classifying authority to explain why such a marking was applied and to which specific information it pertains. It's almost like he's talking to what
for official, might be asked to go back and classify, that is to say, strike out or reject certain sections of the and saying, hey Buddy, you better make sure that there is a legal reason that you are able to do that, because I am trying to make sure that people see what I have to say he's reaching
to a future kind of sensor within the troubled penetration. Saying don't do that certainly seems like that yeah. Ok, so I wanted you to resume. Your reading saw the back to the first page. He says in the course of my official duties. I have received information from multiple. U S, government officials that the President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign kind.
Three in the twenty twenty? U S, election, the president's personal lawyer, Mr Rudolf Giuliani, is a central figure in this effort attorney
bar appears to be involved as well. That's a lot of information packed into a few sentences right, and he goes on over the past four months. More than half a dozen. U S, officials have informed me of various.
Acts related to this effort. It is routine for U S, officials with responsibility for a particular regional or functional portfolio, to share such information with one another in
to inform policy, making an analysis. I was
a direct witness to most of the events described. However, I found my colleagues accounts of these events to be credible because in almost all cases multiple officials recounted fact patterns that were consistent with one. Another
so that, after that, through introduction, the complaint gets into this July. Twenty fifth phone call between President Trump and President's Linsky, with which we are now
early familiar, but he offers them
information about the call that we didn't previously now so he writes
Based on my understanding, there were approximately a d
and White House officials who listened to the call a mixture of policy officials and duty officers in the White House situation room as is customary the officials. I spoke with told me that participation in the call had not been restricted in advance because everyone expected it would be a route,
in car with a foreign later- and this is the point where the whistle blower turns from a conversation itself to the aftermath of the call in the days following the phone call, he says I learned from my
the whole. U S, officials that senior Whitehouse officials had intervened to quote unquote, lock down all records of the phone call, especially the official word for word. Transcript of the call that was
produced, as is customary by the White House situation room. This set of actions underscored to me that White House officials understood the gravity of what had transpired in the car. He writes. Whitehouse officials told me they were put of quote directed by White House lawyers to remove the electronic transcript from the computer system,
in which such transcripts are typically stored for coordination, final observation and distribution to cabinet level officials. Instead, the transcript was loaded into a separate electronic system that is otherwise used to store and handle classified information of an especially sensitive nature. One White House official described this act as an abuse of this electronic system, because the call did not contain anything remotely sensitive from a national security perspective. So if this complaint is to be believed, the pupil in this room, a dozen or so people who were listening in on the president's call to ukrainian President Zalewski very quickly interpreted what they were hearing to be something quite serious and something that
to be restricted now because of the national security content, but because it was so politically sensitive. That's right. At least some of them felt that they had just listen to a conversation that was highly inappropriate and that it would be a big problem if it ever got out, and so they took action to make sure
that it wouldn't. Although what we now know is that, of course, a bunch of people went to whistle, blower and said, even though this thing here,
been specially stored and kind of hidden. We need to tell you about it right and in one of
mysteries after looking at this complaint is
really want to know more about these conversations that happen between the whistle blower and the White House officials, he talks about. Clearly
Was a group of people, whether why has officials are
their people and the administration who heard or saw elements of this episode
and were profoundly concerned by it
and they all had conversations about it, and ultimately this is the one person who decided to come forward
an interesting way. The whistle blower says later on in an appendix of the complaint that this is not the first time that the information like this has been handled. This way, he says. According to White House officials, I spoke with this was, and he puts us in quotes not the first time under this administration that a presidential transcript was placed into this code. Word level system solely for the purpose of protecting politically sensitive
Rather than national security, sensitive information to the pattern being that the president has free wheeling, potentially inappropriate conversations with foreign leaders and then locks them away, not for the normal reasons, but just because they may be embarrassing right and
the idea being that there are multiple officials around him.
Chile, including Whitehouse lawyers, who have gotten into this habit of ok. This is how you treat a conversation like this. We just put it in the code. Word level system so that
others inside the government who might be alarmed by this or might be something wrong with this? Don't ever see it Julia's or anything else of note in this whistle blowers complain
The final allegation in the complaint is kind of a broad
about the ways in which the people around President Trump
of acting on their own, to reinforce this essentially threat that he was making or pressure campaign that he was trying to impose on the ukrainian President
So he talks about how he had learned that in MID may present trump instructs. Vice president, my pants to cancel as planned ship that he had to go to Ukraine
who attends olenska inauguration. He also says that it was quite unquote, made clear to people around.
President Trump that he didn't want to meet with presidential Linsky until he saw him choose to act in office
essentially until he started doing what it was. The trump had asked him to do so
rights. I do not know how this guidance was communicated or by whom, but he essentially is suggesting that this was all of a piece. This was all sort of a coordinated campaign directed by the President, and also
just initiated by people around him who knew what he wanted to have happened to essentially make it clear to the landscape that there was something that President Trump wanted and if he didn't get it flip
nation ship would suffer the allegation being that the president enlisted lots of people around him in the federal branch of the government to try to get this favor
for him right and that he had made it so clear in so many different ways that in some cases some of these officials may have taken it upon themselves to do what it was that they knew the President want it so
this complaint and getting from a whistle blowers hands to all of us to the public on Thursday morning? Will that saga was the subject
of this hearing on Thursday morning on Capitol Hill before the House Intelligence Committee, which had been trying for weeks to get a copy of this complain and been stonewalled. The complaint ended up coming out, just as the hearing began
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change. The way art is valued, MRS Maggie Harriman, I'm one of the White House correspondence for the New York Times and a sometimes daily guest. I remember a time in the spring of twenty seventeen when President Tromp had been trying and failing to get a bill through the house that would repeal President Obama's healthcare bill, and I.
Spoke to him by phone after asking for time with him, and I tweeted afterwards about how he sounded on that call and very promptly was attacked by the president's critics on the left other times. I will be attacked by the president's supporters on the right and it really isn't my job to try to please one side or the other, we're not the Tipp of the spear for any political party or any one view it Sarge
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So do we tell us about this intelligence committee hearing in the house, so the hearing begins with the chairmen of
Committee, Adam chef, giving this really outraged speech. Yesterday, we were presented with a most graphic evidence, yet that the present the United States has betrayed his oath of office
Now what the allegations are for. Yesterday, we were presented with a record of a call between the President of the United States and the President of Ukraine and which the President, our president, sacrificed our national security and our constitution for his personal political benefit. The Democrats are charming,
a bit to have a chance to question director Maguire about why they haven't guns these complaints about what
underlying conduct. Was you solemnly swear affirm that the testimony will give today show me the truth, the whole truth and nothing, but the truth to help you got that you may be seated now in the first place you went was to the White House. Am I to understand them
opening statement. It wasn't too the barber justice first place. You went for a second opinion was to the White House. They really
are going after Maguire on her see,
you're by which he handled this whistle blower complaint essential
asking him why he shared the complaining and went to the White House and the Department of Justice first before coming to Congress, which is what's laid out in the law. Let me ask you this: do you think it's appropriate that you go to a department run by someone who is the subject of the complaint, to get advice or who is a subject of the complaint or implicating the complaint revised as to whether you should provide a complaint to guide us?
They did did that conflict of interests. Concern you an essentially what they're saying as you had this complain that
wrong. Doing alleged on the part of the president and participation on the part of the attorney general, so then, why would you go to the White House in the Department of Justice to ask
permission to share that when there are essentially the subject of this complaint, I'm just asking if the conflict of interests concerned well sure I have to work with one I've got, and that is the office of legal counsel within.
I could have branch where and how does Maguire respond to? These very pointed questions of
Why did you first consult with essentially the accused?
about how to handle a whistle blower complain about the accused. Online Maguire is really trying to play at very carefully here. It was not stonewalling. I didn't receive direction from anybody. I was just trying to work through the process and the law. The way it is written. I have to comply with the way the law is not the way some people would like it to be like could do otherwise.
It would have been much more convenient. For me, it is pretty clear from the sequence of events that Maguire actually wanted to handle
whistleblower complaint in the right way, and yet the process ended up being very dissatisfied
members of Congress and they feel like I've, been stiffed. So what he says is repeatedly he had to follow the law
did appear that it has executive privilege. There was a matter he says of executive privilege here, because this involves the president. If it does of executive privilege, it is the White House that determines that
and so, even though there is a statute that says and intelligence whistleblower complaint has got to be brought to Capitol Hill has got to be shared with the intelligence committee. He's
hang there was this issue that involve the president and necessity.
Needed that I operate under the rules governing executive privilege and internal executive privileges tormented cleared. I did not have the authority to be able to send that forward to become.
Who is in charge of that with the White House in the Department of Justice? I believe that this matter is unprecedented right. He kept using the word unprecedented is unprecedented and probably unprecedented. Luis is unique.
President it, and I got the sense that he was a little bit exasperated and trying to explain, look
a set of rules around whistleblowers, but nobody,
Well those rules, thinking that the whistle would be blown on the president, that's right that this was essentially a choice that he was not going to get to make on his own. I am not political, I am not partition and I did not look to be sitting here as the acting director of national intelligence, I thought that there were perhaps other people good,
best in more qualified to do that, but he also seems authentically wary of this whole process and a few times says you know: I've been in this job for just a few weeks. I am the acting dna and I were still using garment to get to work. My life would have been a heck of a lot simpler.
Without becoming the most famous man of United, don't it outside the rules. For my question, sir, it was a sense of Gimme, a break right, also a sense, as I don't have anything to do with this I mean just
pretty clear from his testimony that he thinks that the
matters that are raisins complain are a huge deal and he does not want to be associated with
and, as the members of Congress try to get him to
essentially admit some sort of complicity or that he knew something here
reminding them. My first real job was
Friday, the sixteenth of august- and I think I said, a new record in the administration for the incipient before any area. Yadda yadda heck of a first week didn't much more information
I've been the dna for six weeks. As you know, the phone call happen on July twenty June of this year. At that time, the DNA was Dan
and at one point is even asked if he was told by his predecessor Dan Coats, who is the director of national intelligence right before he came on board about this July, twenty fifth call or about the whistle blower complaint, did you discuss the July twenty fifth call or the whistle blower complaint with dna coats, and he essentially says I wouldn't have taken the job of which
no sir, if I'd known, I would not have taken this job is the sort of the acting director appointment of a lifetime right and he seems to appreciate the irony there. So what happens on the republic inside the Republicans are pretty much unanimously indignant about this. We ve learned the following: the complaint relied on hearsay evidence provided by the whistle blower. The inspector general did not know the contents of the phone call at issue. The inspectors
found the whistle blower displayed arguable political bias against Trump, and they are coming to the president's defence that this is a fishing expedition on the part of the Democrats, and I want to congratulate the Democrats on the roll out of the latest information warfare operation against the president and theirs.
Surely are saying. You know the democratic been trying for months and months. This operation began with media reports from the prime instigators of the Russia collusion hoax, and they couldn't make
case are now they're kind of grasping for straws on this. So there you go if the whistle blower operation doesn't work out, the Democrats and their media assets can always drum up something else
good director we returned. Thank you very much, Mr Turn, to what you feel came out of this hearing
I think that what members of Congress got out of this is a real sense that the whistle blower complaint is a serious thing that the intelligence community took very serious.
They're, still angry about the fact that it took them a few weeks in a lot of machinations to get a hold of it, but they now have the complaint. So it's almost as if this
really kind of puts a pin in that, and now they move on to okay, we have this information. What are we actually going to do with it and what are they going to do it? Well after the hearing Adam Shift, the chairman of the intelligence Committee said that of a good report, gives us a pretty good Roadmap allegations that we need to address
The complaint was going to be a road map for the impeachment creates anyway, there's a whole host of people. Apparently, who have knowledge of these events, will do our best to identify
We are obviously going to be bringing the whistle blower in this is.
I'm going to form the backbone of their investigation. There had been discussions among Democrats about should they have a big
spans of inquiry that would wrap. In the Mulder report,
third and potential obstruction of justice. I think, after today those questions are pretty much put to rest in the eyes of Democrats. This
see this Ukraine matter as these
trawl element of an impeachment case against President tromp, and that is the road they're gonna go down
now we are going to see them. Try to get access to the whistle blower, we're gonna, see them. Try to question the officials that a reference in this complaint, or he talks about people who are concerned who came to him and
shared these accounts that were troubling and that's going to be the entry point for them to potentially draft articles of appeasement,
de thank you very much. Thanks Michael
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