All of a sudden you s, troops left their observation posts along the syrian border. After the White House said it wouldn't and in the way of a turkish invasion. Turkey has confirmed that it ground. Forces are on the move off the launching an aerial attack overnight. It comes after the abrupt. U S, pull out from the area, kurdish, He has released a video of its vital jets bombing kurdish positions as a nation. Pressing ahead with its invasion, the best chance you get these sixty six women children out of the awful camp was before the turkish invasion. Government had little appetite. I must say to get these people out of Syria before the invasion. Don't detector great appetite now and it's Sidney. A lot more complicated now their future looks really really uncertain, and if they do get after yesterday on the daily

we met Commander Boozy who, for months, has been lobbying. The australian government, too, back his daughter and grandchildren, who are being held at a detention centre in Syria for the relative of ISIS fighters when we left off come on, had just received a call from a journalist that President Tromp had just announced he would withdraw U S, troops from the syrian border, and it was expected that the kurdish forces, who had been guarding the prisons as our of the? U S, banned in their posts, leaving the prisoners lives in imminent danger. Today colleague Livia. All their crypto form come on a journey to convince the australian government that that danger is great,

then the one posed by bringing his daughter home it's Tuesday October. Twenty second. So Kemal has little cry and the car he gathered his thoughts and then he pretty much immediately springs into action. Twenty five minutes later. He calls this journalist back. He gives them a quote. Another twenty minutes passed another call from the media, then other people start doing interviews with God want people coming back having the skills in law making and terrorist activities committed atrocity in our country. Conservatives in countries start talking saying strains: don't want them back in the country

trust me, but I'm very them no way. We cannot bring these women and children that is too dangerous. Processing I really need to get them out that option when as soon as that, this precedent, several removing the troops. That option was all the time: go out there and have this hatred towards western society and this ideology cover just turn around so come on back down to throw light on the look out. You are not so come out of another interview in response to TAT place: save our children, that's the play from a spokesman for the sixty five strains detained in the old whole camp in North EAST in Syria, and it has a press. Are these are astray alive, we're talking about forty four children, which will have what six told by some account it's just one interview after the other place, make themselves after the other make some site if you have to assess them anywhere, resist them any around the globe. But you need to make themselves

the BBC. Thank you very much for talking to him this morning. Thank you and it's from here that he makes a plan to drive to camera. At this point the government still has an really acknowledged him or the other families, and so he decides he's going to physically take himself there. And made with as many politicians as he can to lobby to make a final push in what he believes is this closing window to get his daughter home? That's how you might save me, there's a man, so I may come all at his cousins House in Melbourne

and we get on the road, and we ve got this six and a half Seven now drive ahead of us. What's airlines lies in its very, very sort of like size? Eighty up until now is actually though in a lot of ways. It feels like a normal Richard, Serra Hundreds, another hundred, a sorry, they wouldn't have thought is, but a lot of the time he's fielding calls from the other families who.

Worried about the women and children the debts I've drugs of speak to confirm a knob inelegant all. Do you get a message from the attorney for the families who- wants to discuss this strategy. I read your shoulders second and more calls from the media. I just wonder he also hearing from the young women themselves. Are you scared the hell out much longer? I guess maybe they messaging him frantic for information. What about the news is developing fast and there are all kinds of bullets flying around most sounds very bad alone. There are rumours that food and water will be cut off from the camps that ISIS

Why does could escape attack the women we just laying at ten? So I'm going to send you a photo like you did that with all the kids are laying down made them lay down Sally and each them so the women unnaturally terrified Kemal receiving these texts. They ve killed a few women and also in it a few women say we're going die. We didn't deserve this wait a second chance, please let somebody no and the women in the camps are all texting and trying to get through to their families. Revenge call Kemal the clarification that its progress, big to confirm or not banal against all did you get a message. I'm gonna, let you tell them so The whole thing is kind of like this game of broken telephone and command like the operator Movement Melvin firms is any family So not worry too much about families, but I will let you know: suasion people also. Have you heard anything from the government?

In any event, regardless of how we gonna wait. Another meeting we have to wait and see but we are in their fighting international, now on this I think we're done. I dont think I showed some isn't any more than we can say. One thing: it's about nothing to solving outbreak really swing yet Paypal, I get it, but the one. Person who he wants to reach most, own daughter, Mary EM,. Isn't answering I'll, try again and now sign with Martin? Finally, What somebody picks up the phone I'm gonna go get out, yellow you can hear woman's voice kind of yelling and

Cole cuts out well maintained. His com an editorial roads, the relatively strike the song We have normal conversations seeing along to the music Sand bank you're gonna and as we get is it a Canberra. He says like myself, expectations here is trying to manage the expectations about what he'll be able to achieve. With these lawmakers. But he's also allowing himself to imagine this future.

In which Maria is home. I'm immensely back. I think that only the Czech myself, because the gilded Amerika gotta. Let us come back to later in one myself of that know what to expect when she gets back really as far as telescope. Nothing

I've. Seen too many times that people expect that pulled relationship to persons return that might be in expectation of the place and the relationship. It's going to be a re mapping of your new relations, it's gonna be tested. This there's gonna be a lot of healing happen that has to happen without the expectation of what the russian these live long enough. It makes sense sheets she just needs to hear and then, rush with her and it's gotta, be one, that's two adults relations as it's just terribly complexes. What will happen next,

So after seven hours on the road we make it, we get two calibre. We take into a hotel you're, not sex. We say good night and get to bed. But at some point in the night after we go to sleep as this news Goods have struck a deal with Syria with the Assad regime and the women fear the worst that its troops could take over the camp, raping them, turning them into slaves or worse. I. This is shown in the camps, which is good news that the Kurds have allowed with them

have allied with the regime. The women ascending tomorrow frantic voice memories from the camp, one of the options that deals with due to give us women, ices prisoners and women and children from the camps and was shot had to transfers to the markets. This is not what we deserve with scared. We need help. We really need a majority of these kids a little babies. We don't want them to be raised in Reggie, imprisons kids, at least that children can. I don't deserve to see these. Please please, please, before it's too late within the next few days can happen ways.

Help us, I know nobody can really cut. We heard up husband, but he did say something. Somebody needs to do something I don't wanna be forgotten, I don't wanna be ignored from the world and what my kids to be ignored from the world. Please please, please, please to save us from here. The Kurds did a deal with the syrian government to fend off a turkish offensive. They say they had to choose between comp

eyes and genocide. The first the next day is we wake up to the news that the Kurds have formed a deal with Syria. Two hundred thousand people have fled their homes, which heading two. The Kemal running is a horrendous he thinks it is the Syrians take over the camps. The women are as good as dead. In fact, he says death would be the more merciful option so when Kemal shows up in parliament that day, he is on a mission we just walking through the press gallery and combine. Parliament could see all the different national let's channeled Hen ABC Sbs. Where

into an interview because gonna be interviewed by Channel seven year. Agenda is yes, Fridays Chauncey, you think you're right, that's good! Obviously the stories is huge media asking him the same questionings overnight again: Merriam Merriam the busy What's your government about your Australia stuck in detention in the money will not only a mile gives these interviews over over and over and over. He is actually wearing down he's getting sick. Obviously many can't let himself stop he'll talk to

anybody with had spreading, sector finds difficult issue, but there are some central place, weight and bite, but cause. The real reason that come all came here is to talk to the politicians. The law makers. Ultimately decide the fate of these women and children. So he has meetings lined up with any of them. Who will listen hang on into sacred cows, clearly has a shudder, minister, home affairs, just a knocking on the door now maybe that's all, I'm sorry, I got another crack. Having happened, I'm following him as best I can, but a lot of it is behind closed doors in full

You can tell what's the reception the Kemal is getting it's not a very favourable one Australia has a conservative government and a lot of the comments that these law makers are making indicates. That there really opposed to bringing these women home there's one. And in particular the affairs Minister painted Dutton, who is specially outspoken, he's saying things like based on. And that he has received some of these women could be capable of making bombs. Or even unleashing what he described as a mass casualty. Kemal says that, on what he knows of these women they weren't fighters. He does. I'd them as baby making machines. He talk that this one girl in particular, who went into Syria fifteen and by contain, she has three children so

This leads me to believe that you know it's very possible a lot of these women request. They were forced. Including his own daughter in all the years that Miriam was with ISIS. Kemal quite know what to think about what had happened about how much had been her choice, but that day in the cap when he sees her. After all that time, he finally gets to ask her and she told him a story. That when she and her husband colored had gone to Turkey with his family back two thousand and fifteen that, after a human, she told her and the rest of the family that they needed to go to the syrian border to rescue a relative who joined ISIS, but now wanted out and Mariamne says when they get there all of a sudden guns.

That's a ringing into the air everybody's running, does may him and then she's forced at gunpoint with her child into a car which takes them across the border. Into Syria, and it's not until Merriam sees this ISIS flag flying from this halfway house that she understands what has happened to her. And come our beliefs. His daughter. Do you think Do you see Maranon in this purely as a victim, or do you think she may have made some choices? Herself merged choices went to survive. I see a children's a victim. Can everything that comes from it has been just to survive. I dont see as as a pivotal role. She is a victim and any scene she might have been solid to survive and for the best interests of her kids and and and- and I firmly believe that I'm sorry them the labour. This point

I have to ask you know these: women are australian women. They grew up in a western country with with western values and the idea that they were force tricked duped that they had no Nancy whatsoever, as I can see why that might be a high pilfer for some people in this trade in public to swallow, because What does that say about women from these training context? I think if you are raised as an Anglo in english communities. For most of your life, one might say I find this hard to believe, but then eyeballs had people come and tell me you know my husband Let's go for a holiday or my husband told me: we're gonna go into discretion, military action

on the side of family member from a terrible regime would be their backing. A hundred percent now would be supporting him or why so? I do get a mixture of you from the public to say that putting myself in those shoes in Mary shoes. They actually would support the husband. And most women that might those choices to go with because they were trying to protect the family unit and in a culturally. This is, based as the most important thing in your life, your family, your. The family, you do whatever we can to save your family in it, and that is the that. See that that sort of them number one cultural value. That persists with a little some committees that, it is so important. So, even if you by mistake. You still support your husband, even if you made a mistake,

and then but NASA culture. The women raised inputs. What predominantly by you didn't raise my I'm like that. Now, that's, why had the trick? I think I was a boy. My man would never wrote that, but she wanted family social policy it would have been even if she had a warning sign. She probably would have dismissed it in a brain, because, She actually wanted family so much as well. So, yes, she wasn't dependent and issue establishes far issues. Feisty pot that's a lie like Heaven is lively, but but you know how they can if she had any doubts and tools for creating. She would have just been dismissive because she wanted family saying things may be that there were red flag for her and she pushed them away because nothing but potentially or not. It was something that was. As you know, I think that, despite canals unwavering belief

in his own daughters story, he does understand. He understands why people might be afraid that these women to come home. But he also kind of says: that's not the point. The bigger point here is: we don't know these women's culpability say says: let's bring them back and let's have due process before we turn our backs on these women, assuming that they are guilty? He says this is why a country like Australia, actually owes its citizens whether they are guilty or not guilty, and right now we just don't know. Basically, what he's saying is there are dangers, yes with repatriating Paypal, but there Also dangers with not and that's why he's in can brought fighting for their right to come home,

I am ready to do so following Kemal around office to office, it seems like at least some of these lawmakers empathetic to his plight. But it's not clear whether they have any power to actually change the situation. That would definitely no promises made. Does this moment events bumps into an MP in the whole, an old acquaintance, and this guy says we ve, been discussing your issue at length this morning This seems to energized come all he gets excited. He thinks things might be about to change. Maybe when I was in the process of reaching a decision, but then some time passes and there's no news and This really nothing left to do there, but wait

So after the last meeting of the day, we leave, we don't drive back to Melvin. Where can I had been meeting with families, we drive to Sydney where he lives and where hull other group of families, our awaiting his news k. We just driving away from parliament back toward Sidney. It's about a three hour trip looks like at this point. Does no news on the drive, be re, come all seems a little deflated, but he still hopeful trappers Well, there's the giant shape answer to the red Marimba and then Kemal says we have to go over to this place. Called trappers, but this was a big stop back in the day. They made the best Manila Slice, which is kind of like this half pastry, with custody inside, and he says this is the best and emphasising Australia. So we pull in, we walk in.

I'd Kemal gets to vanilla slices one for each of us and where eating having a coffee. Jabez suggest taking a moment, checking the news on my phone and suddenly commodities. Being the table trying to get my attention he points to his phone. It's mariamne I know I know I know about the what why No, that's not true. That's not information that we're getting that's not it. In that way getting come out the phone up to his ear, wherein allowed CAFE. I can't hear Merriam on the other side, but he's come bidding her and his ease, calling her and affectionate name. Listen, listen to me! Listen to me! I have had it confirmed to me several different sources that the border crossing between

Syria and Iraq is open and its working so The that the women adjusts terrified that, like the Assad regime, is going to take over the camp and that they'll be raped, tortured, killed he's comforting her and comforting her in his telling her I was just. In parliament. Somebody told me They had a meeting this morning. They could still a decision today, I'm doing my best, I'm doing my best friends. Have you got there was a cabinet meeting this morning. I think Think there is some movement, but we have not yet been informed. I am trying to get information as we speak and turning your contacts and networks to give me some indication of the cultures and sound. Time and its clear, even just from hearing the one side that Morocco is becoming increasingly frantic, occur leave me, we have said all come home. We are all very worried about that. We have been making. Statements that but she's heard that one of the australian women in the cap

having her citizenship revoked and she's panicking. The government have told us the information that we have. Three people have lost their citizenship and only three people have lost well does his best to come down. There's like this, like confirmation Secondly, as a woman, no confirmation that certain I know that Bob Bob Bob, I don't think that's what you facing. I don't think that's what you facing a guy on mobile, but I know I know I believe that habitually Hanukkah Holly they buy, stop crying and he puts earns Baker phone It is clear that nothing, he saying is really

and telling her we didn't know she's spinning through all of these different scenarios, and I cannot tell you all so the portals parliament today and people starting Michigan my hand tongue, wish. The best we hope you get you children back strangers. Stopping me in the end that end in the car doors of all can be doing this he says to her. Let me talk to my grandson people's him in and and he's talking to his grandson and haulage. It though I should the amounts faces and applied up. He's having this back and forth with his grandson and after that, talks to marry him for a few more minutes and the conversation end should go and we get back in the car and come up. What's on this forty five minute song in Arabic, Pinochet, she woke between us.

And he says, he's one of his neighbour and listening to it as we drive back to Sidney in the days since Livia travelled to camera with come all turn, and the syrian kurdish forces declared a temporary ceasefire but IE. If the ceasefire holds the Austrian in government has said they would still. Consider it too risky to extract the families of ISIS fighters officials have said they would not be willing to put other lives in danger to see The women and children on body in camera, home Affairs Minister Peter done spoke to reporters.

They ve been fighting in the name of an evil organization, he said, and there are consequences. Levy unthinking back to where Miriam story started an. Took a more saying that From a young age, she want to be part of a big family and when she got a baby sister, they were very close. I'm just curious, What are they have a relationship now they do as much as they can Given the circumstances You know when I was in parliament with come out. We had this quiet moment and He showed me some pictures of Marie EM in the cap n

told me about how like many of the women there, she wanted to send something home for her family for her sister, and so she collected the little bits of scrap metal. Things could find and she made a ring, the her sister, gave it to come out to take home with him and three. Also makes her this video. She says to her sister I myself am dying, usually look inside of me. Actually horrible, I'm so sorry, I haven't looked in a mirror in ages and she's like but I may say so much, so excited to see you. I love you.

After that he's acting sum has been always must seize this opportunity, and I have so much to tell you I wish to talk more often know why, whenever they were to speak of the loans are available to tease me, I love you. Stick you figure for everything. You really believe you just another, looking very much, she saw me,

and she still. There should also be made clear message, which is absolutely heartbreaking. From here and Tom, I haven't played again her thoughts.

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