President Barack Obama said not to hire him. The attorney general said he was susceptible to blackmail. We discuss two new accounts of when Donald J. Trump was warned about Michael T. Flynn — and didn’t act. Plus: What is life like under Boko Haram? Guests: Matt Apuzzo, a Times reporter based in Washington; Dionne Searcey, the West Africa bureau chief. For more information on today’s episode, visit http://nyti.ms/2q9Yxvo.
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From the New York Times. I'm Michael Farmer this today,
today in his first meeting with Donald Trump after the election, Barack Obama said not to hire him in the first days of the Trump Administration, the attorney general said he was susceptible to blackmail, to new accounts of when Donald Trump was warned about Michael Flint,
and didn't, and dozens of girls in Nigeria have been released after three years in captivity. What is lifelike under vocal, her it's Tuesday
may not times X. Madness is Michael Barbaro, hey. How are you
Mr Poos, O spent Monday watching a Senate hearing were Sally Yeats. The former acting attorney general was testifying about Russia's interference in the presidential election. The focus when did the White House know and exactly who knew about the conversations that Michael Flint, the former national security adviser had with the russian ambassador to the Eu S. We noted on January twenty six,
Sallied calls down again the way our council and says I had a very sensitive matter that I needed to discuss within that. I couldn't talk about it on the phone and that I needed to come, see him so
she and her career, a prosecutor from National scary division
hurried to the White House. We began our meeting, telling him that there had been press accounts up statements from the vice president and others about Michael when conversations with Russia that we knew not to be the truth in Dwight, I've, counter
five? Why does it matter to deal J F? One White House official lies to another White House official kind of staggering question yet, and so why sallied said was the Russians also knew about what General Flynn had
and the Russians also knew that General Flynn had misled the vice president and
because in the media accounts it was clear from the vice president and others that they were repeating what General Flynn had told them, and that this was a problem, because not only do we believe that the Russians knew this, but that they likely had proof of this information and that created a compromise situation, a situation where the national security adviser essentially could be blackmailed by the Russians and what did sallied expect the way
has to do with this information once she went there and conveyed to them, which she didn't say exactly what she expected them to do, which made a clear she expect them to do something that this was something that she thought they needed to act on, our member, that
again asked me whether or not general Flynn should be fired, and I told him that that really wasn't our call. That was up to them, but that we were giving them this information so that they can take action
what we don't know is how they act as we know that now, rather than moving quickly, otherwise persuaded the eighteen.
Yes, and only fired Michael Flynn after the news and got out that what he had said publicly wasn't
through, but they knew that the day that sallies went to the White House and said he. Let me walk you through this. What you hear and isn't the true story.
But outside of this hearing today, we learned that someone else had warned president Trump about Michael Flynn. What was that all about, while, in order to understand ass, a sort of begins with a tweet right, so value is getting ready to testify and Donald Trump does his
winning tweet routine and says hey? Somebody should ask why if microphone was such a big concern, that the bombing of friction gave him a security clearance,
and so we within an hour NBC News, has now learn from at least three former
Alma administration of this coming out to the times premature, all the media outlets souls
President Obama at the time in they was on
Thursday November tenth warned that
present like Donald Trump,
hiring, might Flynn press down trumps launder any.
Location to listen to to take now,
security, advice from Brok Obama, but it just get into the back and forth
that what happened in the last few days of Sally. It is time as acting attorney general. Also there's this moment today, where the senator said Miss he'd. Do you know what the White House did with the information you gave them and she said no, because I was fired next day and she was fired in this. Ah, yes, really dramatic moment where she refused to defend the president's executive order, banning refugees and travel from several muslim countries, and she defended at decision here today and said. I don't believe that there are reasonable legal arguments that are grounded in truth,
They made in defence of his argument that the travel ban was not intended to have an impact of religious impact into disfavour Muslims. Is she stood by it? I she made a pretty impassioned
no loyally, defence of the Finnish Humane, and she said you, Senate Beneficiary Committee
put me he in office with the expectation that I would stand up to the president if he asked me to do something unconstitutional. In fact, I remember my compromise
hearing in an exchange that I had with you and in other parts of your colleagues where you specifically asked me and in that hearing that if the President asked me to do something that was unlawful or unconstitutional in one of your colleagues at or even just that, would reflect poorly on the Department of Justice. What I say now and I looked at this- I made a determination that I believed that it was unlawful, also thought that it was inconsistent with the principles of the Department of Justice, and I said no and that's what I promise you. I would do and that's what I did now they were asking if she would stand up to present Obama and so that backfired a little bit for the Republic
on the committee because eight they wanted somebody who is going to be willing to stand up to President Obama, but she was saying the principal same. I was being asked to do something I thought was unconstitutional and eyes. I stood up for that. I said no, you! I did what you tell me the just parliament to do very quickly. Is there any reason to think that part of the reason why the company, the nutrition didn't listen? Sallies is because she was a hold over from the
my administration sure I mean I could see situation where their their skeptical of a political hold over and Vienna,
I take that at face value, I mean they don't know. If it's Sally AIDS is a partisan operative. When she's a career prosecutors worker weigh up bringing cases.
Both him in a strange got in Atlanta, but they don't necessarily know what her motives are. Michael Flynn is out of a job. Sally AIDS is out of her job. What does all this mean? Ultimately, what we learned in this testimony a day from her about
I think what we learned here is that you
Dont know a lot about what happened inside the White House during those early days of the administration and why President Trump
so willing to stand by Michael Flynn in the face of these serious concerns by the FBI and the just apartment. Was it loyalty whether the sense of not wanting to give fuel to to a scandal to create
honor to critics who wanted to throw rush Adam, and we all know exactly why. But we know exactly why said
no, that he stood by him for for eighteen days. Do you think there to be any repercussions from the testimony? I think will be more questions
Thank you know. We're gonna wanna know know report I want to know from the White House will what were you doing for eighteen days? Why was it a problem when the public knew that he lied, but it wasn't a problem when you just privately knew that Hitler?
now. Thank you very much. I like, when you get back to running, and I run deadline appreciated great thanks. A lot preceded by we'll be right back
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wherever you get. Your podcast in basque or distributors ink over the past eight years, Boca forearm, has burned, killed and kidnapped its way across parts of West Africa. If you have one
your relatives killed by Boca Huron. Would you raise your arm
who
murdering thousands and causing millions to flee for their lot
but it was a singular act in the town of Chebec in April, twenty fourteen that brought the world's attention to this war in Nigeria. The kidnapping of three hundred schoolgirls by the islamic militants lightly from New York
and and rally yesterday demanding that the terrorist group bring back our girls imploring an nigerian government to take some sort of action.
No matter how we need to move with. This girl saw me to this weekend. Dozens of them were released. I called my colleague the uncertainty in centre
I wanna go back to the original kidnapping three years ago. What happened back there so I'll tell these
Those were boarding school and then than spending the night. For example, weak radical Islamists have committed. Another atrocity is when is two hundred girls have been abducted from a boarding school by heavily armed members of both go home.
And vulgar harangue stormed into the school. Was the students slapped ground the girls towards the village
and took the girls. The girls are mainly christian and were attending the Chebec School in northern, born of state about fifty or so of them were able to escape. They attacked them to convert them to fundamentalist Islamic
he kicks they loaded than into trucks. They modern and then to try
and cardinal away. This is just the latest series of attacks by local hurrah targeting nigerian school, some of them. They have walked into rooms and shot point blank and head dozens of student.
An enormous alarm violence. You know they shot. They shot people
that day burned houses and that's how it started. What
know about what happened to the girls over these three
is that they were held by a buckle, Huron I've tax,
many girls who been home by Bogart Run.
Many of them were raped,
was to be married and have sex with fighters.
Many of them unborn children.
All of them. In a word were dismayed to cooking clean.
Sure I'll go home.
Some of them were were forced to use weapons and
some of them were even trained to be suicide bombers. We were dream
we'll be suicide bombers. Young women, yeah that's happening alive now,
right now, the bulk of our industry.
She is sending young girls into crowding markets in two camps for displaced people in
to blow themselves up. One woman told me there was a formal training. You know almost like levels of education that she would go sure about her
all the barn how to hold their arms? So she did. He set off the barn
where to go. What to do? I want stepped back for just a minute d on what
Exactly is cocoa Huron I'll call her
is radical islamic movements that start end
years ago, when there was a fundamentalist movements,
going on is swept away,
the world, but also the northeast part of Nigeria? Nigeria is split into a sort of Christian,
Muslim and
going on in the muslim areas when this was a time, a huge
in where
At the same time, people were really really poor. These government leaders were sending off their kids to go to school in London and come back
clauses and education and an
Stealing, money from government coffers that could have been helping these people who had nothing to eat. So there was a huge she huge antigovernment sentiment.
With his anti western islamic movements it from what
describing like there is?
a kind of
pillar, mass appeal or potentially a popular mass appeal
within a jury is poor communities for Boca. Her arm is that is that accurate? You know I think ass bugger on spread. That has a lesson to some degree, but yes, I mean there was,
appeal. Obviously you know there were people who went off joined. I mean look you're
a really really poor area. I mean these are some of the poorest people on the planet if you're a woman growing up in a small,
and in northeastern eastern Nigeria. Your lot in life is to get married to have kids and to work on a farm.
And look around comes along and says: hey, you know, I'm gonna pay. You hire now hurry. I'm gonna give you a life where maybe have to do some laundry, but you don't have to go out and farm
you can give me
No, it's an easier life in some way
I know that's, maybe
contrary in point of view, but in I'm really trying to understand the thinking of some of these women who have gone along with Bulgaria.
It just suddenly you're talking about women who were not connect, our
that's a grey area. You know how they are aren't they may be. They went willingly, yonder threats or
Maybe their fathers decided it was
idea, or even the teenage girls are the symbol of late girls who were taken. There doesn't always happened, link that its content
Some may go willingly. Some may go somewhat.
Willingly and some go completely involuntarily, you're saying for sure
and you know what is willing when you're a mean.
The young he the eye that young you have nothing. These guys are armed mean I don't even
Why why even talk about willing read? So let's go back to two these girls and to their release? Why do you think
These girls were released now after three years, while people across Nigeria are very very frustrated by what they see as a lack of any kind of commitment by their military or their government. To do anything in this particular case, the breeze girls hunk day after day every day, the bring
like all girls campaign meets in Abuja, we from where are we from God bless? You never grow. We, they are. Few options lived for a government that appears to be powerless in the face of an increasingly brazen book a huron. This is clearly something that has captured the attention of the world, and what Nigerians are saying is: when is it going to capture
engine of their leader, the girls were released under certain conditions that the government had been negotiating for some moments in exchange for their release, pogo, who run guts
five or six, we're not sure how many suspects by command.
Where is apparently, who had been being held by the military is really is a momentous moment with me is having gone by some had begun to doubt whether any more girls would be released and allegations of surface that the Nigerians also
and for the girls paid a ransom
that has been proven to be true, but it might explain,
why these girls were kept so save I mean Bukharin knew what they have
they knew. The world's focus was on. President Bulgaria had sent from the time he campaign that he wanted to freemen. They knew it. It is broken
or are they still have to mean there are some hundred and eleven one hundred and three or something that who are still being held. It sounds like you have spoken to so someone,
women who have been released and that in the past- and I wonder if, if any
their stories about trying to
the end or normal life has stuck with you,
well I mean there's so many stories that I'm really stuck with me, but but as far as a re entry goes
A lot of the had told me that they pretend
Husband have died.
One woman had a baby with her.
She told everybody else that in a way we has count my book, a tactic that they say
sign a widow. You know
for every rule, sympathise with her, because I think
Poor woman left with a baby and broken killed her husband when, in fact the father was a fighter, but
she had her little brother with her.
See now between the age of like Tanner forty year, thirty is understood,
every man who is he now between the age of like Tanner forty year? Thirty is understood.
Because
She you are alive. That wasn't means you must have fought with background has bugger on usually kills kills. You killed the men if they won't come with him and fight, so this poor little boy was with her.
Here. She is with this woman with a fighters baby and her little brother gets to the slot beaten Ottoman because
he's alive, never really thinks he must have thought with book.
I'm in here, she is
and maybe of our fighter and
she got her brother beat up an end. Infer to admit that she had been raped by a fighter. Would.
What I'm guessing bring unbelief
what I am shame on her. Oh, I don't. I think it
Women. Shame I mean I think
worryin about her own life in New York,
Madam I mean if you attack to children, watch their parents to be headed.
Front of man. I mean people who have lost everything. Their whole
I ve had in their living in ramshackle awful camps now with no sewage with disease, with allegations of rape in the camps by a government or versus, but should be taken care of these people. I mean this is an awful awful life. You can
understand the range
Thank you very much. I appreciated thanks to a travesty,
here's what else you need to noted, which spends president trumps travel ban is back in court. The eleven eighty two it gives the President Blog
priority to suspend the entry of its as guinea class of aliens when he deems it in the national interest. A lawyer for the White House pleaded with a panel of thirteen federal judges on Monday to read
state trumps order restricting travel from six, predominantly muslim countries. The oars
is a watered down version of an earlier ban that was also blocked by the courts, based on comments that Trump had made, while on the campaign trail, which judges found showed that the ban was religiously motivated and potentially unconstitutional as raised with ever repudiated the campaigns David.
That he made on Amazon Ban a king, he has an agenda, as I say, some of the brief walk through this. He said. Look over time. I've made clearly changed it from religion denied
nowadays explained anyone nor color religion anymore. It we're gonna, call a nationality and they are doing.
Adopting the do it that way, he did do that airports, but he got really territory but
He's never repudiated what he said about the Marshal vanished airlines website judges appeared divided over whether to ignore trumps, past statements and motives. In considering the validity of the band and days after House Republicans passed a plan to replace the affordable care Senate Republicans have recruited thirteen members to write their own version of the bill. All of the law makers are conserved and all of them are male drawing complain,
from female senators, the times reports that the Senate plan could take months to craft and is unlikely to draw the support of a single Democrat. That's it, for they are Michael Barber, see.
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