President Trump traveled on Wednesday to Dayton, Ohio, and El Paso, where mass shootings killed 31 people. Our colleagues described the scene in both cities. Guests: Mitch Smith, who covers the Midwest for The New York Times, and Michael Crowley, a White House correspondent. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.
Background reading:
- President Trump began a day set aside for healing in Dayton and El Paso by lashing out at rivals, using the kind of divisive language that prompted protests in both cities even before he arrived.
- Across El Paso, some residents worried that Mr. Trump’s visit might do more harm than good.
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It's Thursday Augustine.
What's it like being down here and soon the memorials and see this entertainment district?
This present morning varies sombre. It's very somewhat emotions still lotta grief, see it. You can feel it here, and genetic allow recover from this date will.
Much hey, measured, Michael. How are you? I'm gonna die here so mission ear.
Dayton talking to the people there on the day of the president's visit. What exactly was the president walking into their sure will pregnant
landed in Ohio that, in a remarkably short period of time, since nine people were killed in an entertainment district on Sunday morning had started to move from anguish and grief and shock to calls for action. In some concrete proposals on what
Action might look like me, so the knight of the visual on Sunday, the governor Republican Kind of wants to the that every politician from either party give after
like this? This amazing crowd is stunning.
I think it's a rope testament to love.
In the resiliency of this great and wonderful community.
It was kind of La Mancha, dog, food and short on the other people and data, just one having here tonight:
I was standing, probably have about there like really couldn't hear a word,
they were shouting
overhand, you can apply with his feet, but you couldn't hear him
go to this morning about the State House in Colombo, in our demand that the road again come under the microphone
that's repetition of always shout the morn. Everyone do something that same cry, that the goodwill on Sunday, sunshine and
and they were absolutely right. We must do something.
That's exactly what we are going to do.
Today. I am analyses
the following initiatives: the following actions: he came out with a theory the out they proposal. We can do this
We can do the things that I outlined today. What would include bearing background but would allow the police to take gun from people that a drug dealer
dangerous, now's the time as a state to come together democratically,
What those liberals, conservatives, everybody come again go around the thing.
I'm a governor Dewie as having a new conference word starts to spread that President Trump is coming to date in the next morning for governor the wine he's Republican is very supportive of that these are the president's job become for people who are hurting should be there in times of tragedy. The mayor of Dayton he's a democrat rhetoric has been changed, romanian community. He has a different, take
I think that people should stand up and say there not happy happy days. So from the start, there is a division over the president's trip to I'll you're. So the same decision were seeing about Ohio leaders of the presidency that it also pointing out among Ohio voters, Ohio of part of the whole lot of her.
State, swung pretty hard core president trumpet. This is a very purple area, a thoroughly purple state. They didn't county voted for president trumpet twenty sixteen by less than one percentage point said about its proposal. As you can get
air, throw out on the ground on Wednesday morning at the President's preparing,
here is a racist he has been here. They ve got a republican people with flags people who are their referring to say, don't prompt penetrating right next to each other,
on the sidewalk right next to the memorial in this city that remains in a state of very fresh grief and shock.
An all waiting to see. No one exactly knows where the present is going to go when he gets the town all wondering. If they're gonna get a glimpse of the president himself and with very different things, they would want to tell him if they deadly secured. You live in Dayton than others in the south. It is one of the first people I met with a man named James why're. You have your own timer gamma. Fifty some. You can't think that Canada is the same order. No signs of any time just out there to see with one I updated respect. He said to the nine people who died. I heard the news Sunday morning. My first call with my youngest saw, just as I know he frequently and again, like David ever seven o clock in the morning and while I was glad to hear his voice and he was opened to think you were worried that one of the victims of violent, my other scientists, missed LAS Vegas,
does. He got called back into do a flight pilot and he would have gone to the concert gosh it's getting too close to home. This would certainly feel absolutely Zionism sure you know the president's leaning in ninety minutes or so he's gonna pay it respects years. That is that a good thing that a bad thing when you make them coming. I think it's good think, because if we did
you put a cornhill for not coming.
Our companies going to catch. You, but you know what we need a rather do. I think so.
Not long after that I met a man can willing to offer with outdated area this morning
yes son and brought you here today. Why do you want to be in order to support
unity, never one. I was, I suppose, there's that internet endeavours will go up. Rents, family game in TAT poured in Detroit, so he went there wasn't. There has also been you're saying you, you have things got even a little bit differently. You may have been out of it
being out here this morning, habits of the president's leaning labels. That was that parliament is today. Yes, why are you.
You know that may not exciting. Promoting its. It
that sort of one sided
a voice and a green allowed. We do something right down aside, do something what're you gonna do
Give us a game plan even systematic, give us something you have to give a specific give us something. He said with a double edged sword:
These it is you do me the baddies was there are good for him coming earlier this year, has the good would be if he's actually going to do so
If he's gonna talk, these people that are staying here and speak to live in this community,
Have you been a liver, honest meaning? Are you gonna listen to what we have to say that you can respond to what we had to Syria and applause, or would you up
He has had a conversation. Three days after the mass shootings, you have people who showed up with programmes violent anti trips. I not american flag that wasn't what you saw for this presidential did that it was very much. What did you think of the president for many people, and so that really can a colored the morning at one point:
a police major came up to a group of Proud Hampshire is setting. She said that she beginning calls for business owners and workers out there.
I'm at home who really shut it rested since the shooting habit
A lot of homework here than they have in there somewhere. It's all demonstration, encounter demonstration and gathering at all, but these clear road was just too much with making it worse than good police makers. Are you have a right to be here? Are you prepared to say what you want to say
Let me just ask me what you think about moving up a few blocks doing get somewhere just a little bit different, a little bit removed from the launch of this pain in premature rates. They put so what happens when the prince
and finally arrives cure, for he lands in the morning gives it a motorcade. He goes to a hospital that treated from the victims of ETA shooting and he beat with victims there. He meets with a large group of first responders and he met with some of the highest political leaders and then he
He got a motorcade and put up after so he did not go to the organ district where people can had gone to. Bed
respecting where they had hoped to see. The President
The site of the shooting and to be able to talk to him, he didn't know there were people there to protest them. If you did, there were people there to cheer him. If he came, there are people like. Can you just wanted a chance to talk to him? He didn't go there. The mayor actually said that may have been a wise decision. That was once she supported that. Judging from the reaction of the patrol on Sunday, people there,
maybe weren't ready. I didn't want to ask the president to present their needs. Thank you very much to thank you for having
after the break. My colleague Nellie catch on the scene.
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dot com, slash the daily to make sure they know that arson sent you Michael Crowley. You cover the White House in your in El Paso. Now help us understand what's been happening in the days since the shooting there. What what's good friend in El Paso from what happened gate is that, first of all, more than twice as many people were killed at the Walmart here in El Paso, the other- and I think more politically exposed factor. Is that minutes before the shooting? Here a manifesto was posted on line that may indicate a motive tack, and it is a manifesto that is anti immigrant and clearly racist, and it also
Then he is that in some cases, the very language that President Tramp has used for months and years in his crusade to clamp down on the legal.
Aggression and beef up border security and in our path in particular. There was a real sense that president trunk should not come to the city that he bears comparability for what happened and that he was essentially not welcome. Present Trump called me yesterday. It was very gracious in the call air they'll path, though
I think that would be president Trout and basically saying that he had an inherent respect for the office of the presidency was not at all clear that he was looking forward to having impurity that he was welcome and I want to clarify for the political, spin,
the office of the mayor of El Paso, in an official capacity welcoming the office of the President of the United States, which I consider is my former duty. So its hunting for things were pretty fraud before Trump, even touchdown.
Extremely fry, you ve, been very clear that you believe the present is a racist. Is the president, a white supremacist
it is also made that very clear he's better word or our cars. I found out tat those who now running for president the majority several interviews after which he explicitly called private internal racist connect. The dots about what he's been doing in this country he's not tolerating racism he's promoting racism. He's not tolerating violence. He's inside
Racism and violence in his country and Mister John, had noted at coming to El Paso and turn as he opened eyes, counter attack on Twitter. The president tweeting Orourke has a phoney name to indicate hispanic heritage. Eight parliament, when he D and told him to being quiet or Rourke firing back in a tweet of his own, saying twenty two people in my home town or dead after an act of terror. Inspired by your racism, El Paso will,
be quiet, and neither will I so what does it feel like on the ground there, I'm at the scene of Saturday's shooting the first thing I did according to go through the memorial sites, where there are dozens of people gathered in heat, leaving memorials, putting up signs candles balloons.
Leads to the victims, and I spoke there. A woman named.
Very well ages, grandmother, that's my age described herself with the political and social activity,
I got a call that morning from my granddaughter to family members, who were at the Walmart
the time of the shooting. She told me that my son and my other granddaughter wherein the Walmart and they were able to escape to the fire department
granddaughters granddaughter said if it is still quite traumatized and get startled her. She hears a sound like on the floor, so President Trumpet
on his way here, he'll be here in a couple of hours, and I wondered whether you think that's a helpful and useful thing for the president to come. Visit fire, not my present
and to come here and visit is an insult to the people that have suffered these tremendous oppressive condition.
Not only is it an insult to ass, we see a miss him,
mean to bathe in the glory of this blood bath that his rhetoric has created.
Telling you right now that he is not welcome here. We don't want him, hear his words are empty to us, which
by starting out tell me your name age and where you from my name's, a doleful tales, haven't determined group Working Party in El Paso crony on the other side. I spoke to a man named Adolfo TAT. They all applicant official here order, President Trump, who think that a good thing that the president has come here, I believe the president has said the right bank. These remarks in the wake of the shooting. I thought he had some very good remarks in and he talked about it. You it's time for us to come to government yielded and has no problem with the private and coming to try to us all and comfort the city, the fact that he's here no pencil them at the fact that he sporting people were were alone Hispanics, and
the fact that he's busy with law enforcement, because it was a carnage and for law enforcement to see that that's going to have an impact on them, also plus the rest of the community. I mean it is positive that is here to. Let us know that that we ve got the White House here to support us in what we need and that's a very positive thing.
Actually Honolulu interviewing Adolfo exhort Interrupted seems like something sir Kind bubbling up over there.
Any idea why people are arguing you all the sudden.
Start here shouting and and I could see that the crowd had sort of like then looks like a chant has come up in their state, troopers arrives
and when I went over to see what was happening, I thought at the crowd had gathered
and a woman. I see
A woman in a Red make America.
Great again hat.
Who is surrounded by tv cameras and seems very upset
people were shouting at this woman. There was a faint
there were exchanges of eight calling it would getting really can, and then this guy shows up basically to defend this woman and engage the people who were shouting her down and he's
Giving right back at the people who were angry at this woman and he is shouting right back at them, people
Our calling him away. The premises is defiantly right in the middle of goods from the woman actually disappear
from my view and this guy, who is quite large in four about letting looking was in shouting matches with multiple,
people before really storming away and anger, and I would have taken down and caught up with them and get your duty.
You tell me your name age, Maria from Song, Brian I'm from here, and what brought you here today I sign up and coming by. Every morning I was at the mall when the
Bang went down the United States Moraine or reach armoury
and I've been wanting to just watch it just take it in not forget it so
finding when you come here and there a lot of people arguing about today is the first time I've seen any of that everyday I've been here has been nice and quiet peaceful it. Clearly, these guys thought that they could only that girl and they need to start current for Americans. I don't care if your Democratic Republic in India,
black white, yellow polka? I don't give a shit you're, an American you're, an American. We need all stick together. We need all look out for each other.
Clearly people are really on edge. People are really on edge and it feels like there is
The more intention in any kind of support, even one big Amerika great again, had- can can write the fire
and Trump arrives in El Paso in the afternoon. What happens well
had a pretty low profile,
I will hear and didn't talk to reporters. He went to the medical center here and he met with some of the survivors and the
Hospital staff there with the trump then went on to a police authority in emergency response centre
reported or allowed in, and at that point he made his first directly to the press since before he left the White House
morning. As you know, we left Ohio
the love, the respect
it was
I wish you could have been there to see it. I wish you could have been in there and what did he say claim that the day had been a big success that he had been received with a lot of respect,
in Ohio and the things I ve been going very well. We met with numerous people we met was also the doctors. The men said they have
both places. Just incredible, and you know for a moment, it seemed ass though he was going to play
Kind of traditional apes
the role of a president coming to end up. You know a disaster area place it. I've struck
tragedy, but we shared graph,
the mayor
Wally, Donald Trump and although his eight had hoped that he would stay on a pretty tight grip today, he
and to lash out. I turn on the television and then was probably for the first set for exactly the same online and every dishonest people. S probably why he does. I think, about zero, persistent failure as a presidential candidate, cease of regrettable, and he attacked Democrats who he felt had been.
Critical of him in Ohio, including democratic senator, shared Brown off the former. Vice president, Joe Biden, who had given a speech saying that President Tromp was
sort of four men pain racial hatred around the country, and he keeps them of politicking on a day when he said there should not have been politics and the personal shouted them both, though that would not how things were supposed to go here today, but
some Donald Trump in the role of president of the United States make. It seems clear from that meeting with reporters and from your com
stations in El Paso that this has not been anything like a traditional presidential visit
To a city that has undergone a tragedy, no that's absolutely right in a traditional shaped over generations in which at times
it is to the people of the community of Littleton.
I can only say the night, let the prayer,
so the american people. How with you about the president, is it community that were in the midst of collective
This is a day of mourning for the bridging attacked community and it is a day of sadness for our entire nation and act as a kind of dollar try to unite. Try to heal your new town. I can offer the love and prayers of a nation try to reassure people with feet. He no kind of I'm with mythical powers of the office and resources
our government and people would hit paws on politics for a day, and you must know that
never measure of comfort we can provide. We will provide whatever portion of sadness that we can share with you to ease these heavy load. We will gladly bear you know. Donald Trump is not interested in them ceremonial function for the presidency. He basically never hit. The path is attacked. Politics, though we are in a very different place. Right now and one question as well:
We can return from it and, at the same time, this problem just keeps getting worse. These mass shootings are coming on the heels of mass shootings. That's right at its clear that we are closer to any kind of substantive act.
To address it back. We were a week ago, President drug did say this morning that he thought there might be some act and, conversely, suggested that it could evolve stricter background checks or gun sales, but he said things like that before and not followed through and and not much has happened and republic in agenda to address these issues very different for a democratic one. Democrats think that we need to have sweeping you, can control measures and Republicans or talk about health and even video games.
And the internet, it's almost like their speaking different languages. So it's hard to see any kind of solution on the horizon, and you know it's terrible to pay, but it just feels, like the clock is ticking to the next one of these
about
No, thank you so much. Thank you! So much
I'll be right back.
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