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Conspiratorial thinking today. My colleague Kevin rules on the fill that ushered in that era. It's Friday September, tenth For years now I ve been spending a lot of time inside these bizarre internet subcultures. These places filled with extremists and conspiracy theories, do have all kinds of ideas about how covert nineteen is a hoax or had a twenty twenty election was stolen, or why Hillary Clinton is a shape, shifting lizard person-

and the more time I've spent in these places. The more I realise that what unites these groups is their way of finding and processing information. This belief that the way to figure out what's true, isn't to listen to the experts or to the mainstream media, but to go figure it out for yourself on the internet to do your own research as they say, and I've been thinking about where that attitude, which is so pervasive, now actually originated, and I think a lot of it can be traced back to this one particular nine eleven documentary, the first real internet blockbuster. But before I tell you at this movie, let's actually go back to the morning of September eleven two thousand one, Where were you? What did you see? What did you think at the time? I tell you that one of its biggest fan

I was actually out no New York where I had gone to college. I recently dropped out, but I was living with a couple of my journey brothers, who were still in college, a guy named Jason Burma's and I was working at a piece place late night sitting at home too, like four in the morning times so was sudden. My body comes into my room because the twin towers got like what more do you talking about man after awhile Jason started to have doubts about what exactly happened on nine, eleven, and specifically, who the? U S, government said, was responsible Osama Bin, latin and I'll Qaeda doubts that really started to form? When you went to a basketball game at his old high school and slipped off, use the bathroom and in the Euro area, Osama Bin Laden's face and it says operate- she enduring freedom and I'm thinking to myself, I'm pissed on his Osama Bin Laden's face- and so is every twelve to eighteen year old like there is just-

something in my brain. That said, you know what I need to make sure that this guy did this I really have no idea who he is. I have no back did any of these geopolitics or the past. This is crazy. The kids are peeing on this guy's face they just something in my brain was like that's wrong

Jason was thinking about all this on his own, all the things that happened it awakens of nine eleven patch me for the core, and I I wanted to protest them. A whole community of activists were also thinking about this, including a woman in Palo, Alto, California, named Carol Breyer and one reason I became an activist I will happily married. I had the kids, I had the luxury of being able to do it, and I felt that moral obligation Carol was really concerned about the government's response to nine eleven, the war in Afghanistan and the dramatic increase in domestic surveillance, and I didn't want to lose civil right. They didn't want to see the United States go to war and then because I'm an activist, I get all these inhuman

from people questioning. You know the official story and looking at some of the anomalies and strange things about Pemberley, she was hearing from people who worry that the government was using nine eleven as an excuse to take control from Americans and that maybe some officials had been waiting for something like nine eleven to give them that excuse, and as these activist friends of hers Doug into the details they started asking, Chance like why didn't the military intercept the hijacked planes by to take President Bush so long to authorize a response of these questions head perfectly reasonable answers, but when Carol

heard the questions she started getting more and more suspicious, so I organised like the first Mars, demanding investigation of nine eleven in January two thousand, and we met with the staff of Feinstein and boxer and raise these questions. Eventual Carol put together a kind of nine eleven in photos. Every week she set up a table in downtown parallel and encourage people to come to her with questions and I had a table. I think we than just to get them. Thinking about the big questions that I felt needed to be read. In small town earlier, enter, Jason didn't have someone like Carol, but he did have the all I wanted was a timeline of the day. So really the first thing I found, and you can still I think, filed out there I was like forty pages long, and it was doubly Toby that nine one one timeline dot net our eye. It was.

Well, they aim to twelve am and all these different anomalies and weird things and stories that had links- and I read this thing and I'm just like Jesus Christ. He soon found that there was this small but very active network of websites and blogs and message boards devoted to nine eleven scepticism. They had all these super detailed documents and complicated export, since four things. Andriessen got obsessed were you of alone in this in your personal life? Did you have friends who are also questioning the dominant narrative about nine eleven or was a kind of just like your thing? I mean you know. They're, like some friends, were very upset, the about other people who lived with me and like whatever they would look at the evidence. But I'll tell you what you know. My my stuff There was like one day trying to crack a joke. It me there. You know I just don't want to see you and

being in the basement with a bunch of jars, the ears and unlike what? What are you talking about man that at that time, you know there was just no challenging this narrative, your eye and ear. There's just all that pressure, so there is a small but very dedicated a group of nine eleven sceptics. Truth ass. They were called to figure out how this small movement really started to grow. It helps to remember what happened next. Saddam Hussein is harbouring terrorists and the instruments of terror in two thousand to the Bush. Ministration and the Pentagon began turning their sights on Saddam Hussein, the dictator of Iraq, and he cannot be trusted claiming that he had connections to Al Qaeda in Finland and then he was developing weapons of mass destruction, there's a stories in our time. This morning the media was lending. These things credibility in the

seeking to acquire the kinds of tools that are necessary to build a second centrifuges required to build a mom, and in March it doesnt. Three America invaded Iraq, but as we know the main and we went into Iraq at the time We thought he had weapons of mass destruction turns out he didn't, but these claims were wrong. The government had misled the public, Most of the mainstream media went along with it. So if you were a conspiracy theorist, you didn't really have to make up anything. The government did it for you and more people. Outside of the conspiracy theory world began wondering well. If the experts were so wrong about Iraq. What else can they be trusted with her? Every week I was out there on the streets and in the early days of people, would be surprised by by my question third question: the official narrative of nine eleven,

and then I would like to see them at the Anti war rallies and then they would be completely on board, giving me the thumbs up and much more knowledgeable and people which has a lot to our tables for material. They were just so hungry, for the information word was getting around about Charles in Surplus and documentary film makers, who were also sceptical about nine eleven started, sending her their work. I would get. I would get so many unsolicited dvds and a male mean some of em. I remember I have one right here is called the view that the military and so into dozen, for with her growing collection of nine eleven movies, Karel helped a fellow activists start the nine eleven Truth Film Festival in the Bay area, welcome to Mohammed out on the Venice flying circus. I'm standing one of the Venice Florida airport, there is a mass,

conspiracy going on to cover up what happened on these runways before September. Eleven, the festival featured movies that were now asking questions like nine, eleven and inside job, being lied to about the nature of the conspiracy that took down the World Trade center lodged by the I Another question lies from nine. Eleven was one of the earliest film on answer. Question number one what extent cheap airlines and disappear for September eleven Some of them just had a lecture. I'd like to start off by asking a question. I, like a show of hands, As for the documentaries Caroline, our friends could choose from for the festival, were kind of a mass hello. I'm Alex Jones, and this film were first going to look at some historical examples of tyrants and governments oligarchy allied using crises in many cases terrorist event.

The day. I would say it's a variable quality, some of the production values I work. As with higher quality sympathy with lower quality and all the way across the country, Jason had noticed the same thing bless Alex Jones or whatever, but it was still some guy and an access tv station with a blue collar and with, like you, know, some graphics role. Over and I wasn't after effects it wasn't on with premier it didn't. You know it didn't flow with a crazy back be, but then Jason stumbled onto a documentary called loose change set the scene for the first time, you saw these change. Do you remember like where you were to remember what TAT

site, you saw it honor. If someone I know who you are like, I know that now I downloaded the aviator, so I pirate that for sure, upright, probably Morpheus at the time was either Morpheus. Workers are depending on taken a long time it was like of our long documentary. I dont think my computer at the time could have handled an hour video. Well, I did there's a seven hundred megabytes Sesar for that momentary time. Warp backed the internet of two thousand five, but what's important is that, when Jason finally press play on his bootleg copy of loose change, he saw a fresh, take Levin Documentary the movie. Was made by two young, an amateur filmmaker Dylan every and his childhood best friend, Corey Roll call. It was a soldier fighting in Iraq and he helped Dylan make loose change

we had a special moment overseas. The issue of the World Trade Center collapse that the crux of the story of September eleven by a Hollywood standards- it wasn't super impressive, didn't have like special effects or sea yeah. I really much of applause. The highest temperature was in the east corner of the South Tower were a temperature of one thousand three hundred and seventy seven degrees. Fahrenheit was reported. The molten steel in the basement was more than double that temperature parts of it felt like a Powerpoint presentation. Just all these screenshots the very detailed document, the possibility of a secondary survive, but is another bomb going off, but it also had newsreel food waste interviews with eye witnesses and a sound. The trifles shaky exactly nine seconds before the timing is collapsing. And so compared to the other nine eleven documentaries. Ah, I was blown away loose change, was actually pretty wash. It was

much that it was mine blown because the facts. It was because it had production value, so I come from a generation of food. Being the dominant language period. You know that's the kind of like MTV Com, boom boom boom and it had that. I just knew right, then, that this this was going to be a tool that the masses would reach loose. Change was very fringe very underground. The filmmakers had only printed a thousand dvds at first, which was the minimum order you could place, but Jason loved it. He became a loose change, evangelist and arm. You know a lot of people think this cordiality right now. If I should tell you this, but hey it's it's what actually have not a religious guy, but I pray do. God you can believe in, and I just close. My eyes and I put my hands together and I said: look You know I don't know how it's going to work, but if you get me involved with this I'll, I will fight my ass off and I promise you I'll do what I can. He started burning copies of the movie

two cities and handing them out around town. Was anyone actually convinced by it that you haven't been able to convince before yeah absolutely island. That was another thing where you from I would say fraternity brothers, I would say friends back home, a lot more people and then a little while later think it might have been. Two months later. I still work in nice pizzeria and I told you, I was burning, discs and handed them outright I hand my delivery guy. And he goes Oh, I know these guys I know what I mean. You know these guys. He goes well. Corey just came back into town and Dylan is gonna, be here next week and I go how do you know them is like, while their from here I'm like really he's again Corey over here. If you want like what you do Corey

just returned back to his home town from his tour of duty and our Corey comes in and he starts talking to me. We have like a two hour conversation. The next thing I know he's going home to get me a copy of the script for the second edition that he wants me to go and had it also Jason is no longer just a fan of loose change, he's being brought into work on it. Who expanded second version of the moving one that would be bigger and better and packed with even more questionable information than the first- and this might seem strange to say, but I really think the world we live now this world, where everyone is sceptical of everything, it is constantly just coming up with their own theories. It all comes back to this moment The thing that I had actually prayed for probably the only thing I pray for my adult life- ok- actually happened. I told them

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you can find new episodes every Tuesday and Friday, wherever you get. Your podcast Jason was now finding himself really busy in addition to his shifted, the pizza place. He had also started again. A graphic design company right. So I had to be there eight in the morning every day, and there was two nights a week that I was also working. EL three in the morning at speeds shop, while living with a bunch of loud frat rise as there is actually a drum set. My living room was a nightmare, and these guys get away. I mean I want to kill these guys all the time and on top of that date he was helping Dillon. Corey make a new edition of loose change. You know, Dylan's, usually at my house, like six o clock and he said and of being backed chair usually going through this, and you know, I'm usually just doing my thing honour on you now look and stuff then maybe we should have this in blah blah blah Jason, who had spent

God we amend our time researching and memorizing all these arcane nine eleven theories became the teams led researcher really like I wish to go through all these other archives and clip out the fifteen seconds of a three hour clip say this is probably what we should use. Where can we fed you now? Whatever Jason's research turned up, he would feel too Dylan who is putting everything together on a compact presario. Obviously, in a sitting down, watch the movie a hundred and fifty times the three of us. We would say ya: you should cut that there, but usually I mean, especially as everything is Chris, you know he's a hell of an amateur. He has good timing and beats do now, obviously, and Jason didn't have file, say on what made it into the film

certain things I didn't want to fill and oil while, for instance, the Cleveland stuff, what Jason means by the Cleveland stuff is this claim that flight, namely three, the one that crash in a field near Shanks Pennsylvania that maybe it didn't actually crash, but that it landed safely in Cleveland which to be clear, isn't true and is also pretty offensive like it's basically suggesting that the fort for people who died on flight. Ninety three, maybe they actually didn't. I thought it was gonna backfire. I wasn't quite sold I'm still now. I never have been you know. What can you do with Dylan felt strongly about it at the time you know arbiter in decline, to talk to me, so I can't be totally sure he was the one put for the Cleveland stuff. For me, I know that I spend a lot of. I'm worrying about making mistakes. I guess I'm just wondering how it felt for you to work on something that you had doubts about that you either.

A certain facts that you knew were bullet proof like how did that the altar work on I would just say that we were filled with such a bum. Of lies from the main stream and possibly a never ending war, and that was my main concern the second edition of this change, like the first, is full of errors, just stopped was wrong or sloppy or offensive, but Jason Inquiry until impressed the dvds posted them for sale on their website. They were excited tell us that jet fuel mouth still being and that what had the Pentagon could have been remiss March: thirteenth nineteen sixty two Lyman London, Sir Chairman of the joint all of its hackers, together with even later policing and Robert Cooler, music and more information than the first edition? The real plain

would be converted into a room, the tube, I was wrong David South Florida. The passenger laden plane would landed Eglon AIR Force Base to evacuate, as passengers out in California kills friend, set up a screening and there's some about imported her and we helped her and there were the showing an end that don't printing made like USA. Today and helped. You know get more attention. Jason says they began selling dvds in bulk, the first law, Then I knew there where we were on the right track and things were really moving. Was we got our first every by it Joe Rogan bought ten copies. Ok and I'm a big Anna Mayfair was a big I'm, a fan back then, and I remember Rogan order and attend pack and pack and at a and b, unlike here, we go

a few months after releasing the second edition on DVD, they got and even luckier break fence. Uploading it to a new streaming service called Google video which doesn't exist anymore, but was basically Youtube. The key difference, though, was that, unlike you tube at the time, you could post clips more than ten minutes. People were uploading, our video and then there are also translating into multiple languages and it was taking off there. Loose change, was now readily available to anyone for free mean was in college at the time, and I was busy playing video games generally making bad life choices, but I remember people new emailing you, this link, saying you gotta watch this video loose change wasn't specifically made for the internet, but it ended up hitting this internet sweet spot. It kind of had this bra unfiltered call.

To it and its granular level of detail made it seem way. More authentic than the slick overproduced mainstream media, loose change got a million views on Google Video two million than three and four than five million than ten. Millions more or watching it bit torrent and other sites. It went viral at a time when the do a video going viral didn't really exist yet. And if you look at era, we were by far the most watched Google video of all time period. There is not even one it's close Dylan Inquiry and Jason had found out just how big a market there was for anything that challenge the conventional story of nine eleven. What it seemed like this far fetched friend. Thing it turns out. It was actually more popular than anyone thought by two thousand and six

Angus Red Pole found that more Americans now believed the Bush administration was lying about nine eleven and thought it was telling the truth which doesn't mean all these people thought nine eleven was an inside job, but they didn't trust. The official narrative. Conspiracy theories were feeling that gap and think that when we had the big, not alive intrude conference in Chicago- and we had a huge conference, we had like five hundred people there we did a march through downtown Chicago win. Seven, It was a big deal. The nine eleven treat their movement seem to be at an all time high and we would network groups in failure, and Europe can offer the people were doing actions just everywhere. The movement which is growing by leaps and bounds and loose change, was being talked about everywhere. Using people are who, except you,

or version of events are fascinated with your version events, rather than the mainstream version of events and pr vanity, fair Sienna, the baby, see. That is what is so unbelievable that our film is it. It doesn't just cater to the conspiracy theory crowd. We have conservatives, we have Republicans. I mean it has this viral effect on people, and I think that its popularity is a testament that there is a ring. Truth to it. You know he was the most effective thing ever virgin airlines carried on their flight, aired on the histories channel in several different countries as loose change. You know it was through the. Arm of the internet. That was its ultimate success. My friend, and I'll. Tell you why people there had been ass. You know me before and refused to look at a long dead. Look at it I apologise to me so I gave up my stepfather. There was no joke,

talking about ears and stuff like that was long got. You know he got it more where your hopes like one moment, if you hope it would accomplish things world and I want a real investigation and I live, I wanted criminals accountable, like playing around. That's what I want. I want to justice, but I was naive to be honest with you. It turns out that this was the high water mark for the truth or movement. This weird man. When loose change was the biggest viral video on the internet and when people could say that I love and was an inside job and still kind of be taken seriously. I think that probably, but the wind started getting out of the sails of the nine eleven truth movement when Bush and Chinese left off and when a bomb came to power.

There was this ridiculous. Sigh of relief, like the Democrats who are in power now is safe. Dylan Korean Jason continued to make more positions of this change. There are now at least five, including Jason's favorite, the final cut, but the truth or movement itself was losing steam conspiracy, terrorists or moving onto other things. President Obama's birth certificate, then sandy Hook and Cuban on and the rest of the theories we now know so well and many of these other theories spread through the success of their own dreamy raw online videos. What you're about to see more some new findings regarding pizza, Gait, which are disturbing to say the least, that look and sound alive he still like descendants of loose change

most of my presentation will deal with the first explosion site near the finished. They control one hundred percent of current of ice Are they use anybody out there? We can argue with a straight face that this is a real human being. When Dylan declined to talk to me about loose change, he said he was sick of being blamed, for quote everything wrong with the internet, but Jason has a different take. Do you think loose change success, made people feel more willing and able to kind of question authority an official narratives beyond just nine eleven. That's exactly what did. I say that sentence is correct: they do the airfield absolutely had people question narratives as they should outside of nine eleven. As nine eleven is one small part of many larger lies. I would I would give you that a hundred times over cabin, I hope that our legacy, quite frankly I mean

to be quite honest. I I I don't trust the establishment. I don't We ve been given any reason to trust the establishment. I d like to be Gaslight. So if You know something I was involved with got people to question more things I think that's healthy, I dont think Jason is this airily wrong, but I think there is more to it. Loose change arrived at this very weird moment in american history. Trust him situations like the government and the media was falling in some cases for good reason and people's attitude toward the internet and technology is changing to the old conventional was was that you shouldn't believe anything you saw in line, but loose change asked what, if you could only believe what you saw a line and the incredible viral success of loose change proved that there is a huge demand for this kind of alternative in for

mission? And if you can package that material in the right way? Even if it's completely wrong, you can get really far hi my name's Jason, and are you to be just a good old average american kid living in upstate New York. There me, Jason, there hasn't Youtube, show which I'm actually gonna. On pretty soon. That was one of the conditions of agreeing to be interviewed and he actually talk to me from the studio where he broadcasts his take and current events. So yeah man, I mean that's what I'm here to cover you know and our people that are resisting the system and I think it's a system of oppression and Obviously, on a daily basis. I tell people why and I get I've I've sent from the very beginning. I've never been about left or right, it's always about right and wrong. I don't play team baseball I don't think anybody should and we never looked at it. That way. You don't mean Dylan today,

Agree our lot politically. In our ended, we still talk. We risk each other on January sex, you now and I saw TAT the capital absolutely not actual capital, but we were over Anthea Ellipse right, well the thing was going on. What were you doing? What's cover it? Thought was a big news. Story along to see how many people are gonna come out. I will see, did not go inside. I was now part of a protest. I didn't have a you know I didn't have a MAC, anything the election results or inaccurate. Or did you have questions, the official narrative about the election. All straight, I tell you. I do believe that they stole the election Fisher CARE

has also moved on to other topics. I'm okay, I think I'm just slightly just sleep deprived because it's been pretty intense Karen California, to put it mildly, just because there's all these mandates being tossed and all these protests and a lot of organizing going on because, honestly to me, the the Covid nineteen event is more like nine hundred and eleven on steroids. It's it's! Nine hundred and eleven rashes up a few levels and nine hundred and eleven really laid the foundation for this. You realize there's a very sinister continuity to The events have covered nineteen and the events of nine eleven yesterday was the seventeenth anniversary of the nine eleven truce. Film festival and Carol was really excited

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