In Hong Kong, hundreds of thousands remain in the streets, even after city officials said they would suspend the contentious extradition bill that prompted the demonstrations in the first place. We look at why the protesters still don’t trust their government. Guest: Austin Ramzy, who covers Hong Kong for The New York Times. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.
Background reading:
- If the shelving of the extradition bill and an apology from Hong Kong’s leader were aimed at mollifying the protesters, the measures seem to have had the opposite effect.
- The bill’s suspension is China’s biggest concession to public pressure in President Xi Jinping’s nearly seven years as leader of the country.
- Here are photographs of the protests, which are some of the largest in the history of Hong Kong.
This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
From an your times are micro about this is the daily today.
In Hong Kong, hundreds of thousands of protesters,
I mean in the streets,
and after a city officials said,
They would suspend the controversial law that prompted the protests in the first place
why these do don't trust their govern
its Monday June. Seventeen
Austin, weird is all of this begin. The story begins. A year ago, in February of twenty eight teen Austen Ramsay covers Hong Kong for the times a young couple from Hong Kong. They went from Hong Kong to time on Frederick over Valentine's day and after this trip he returns and she doesn't her family is incredibly worried and they contact come. Come police hung on please Contact Taiwan, police, the police in Taiwan begin looking into it daily, find a hotel where the couple
stayed. They find footage of him coming out with a large suit case and the Hunger police interview in again, and he admits to killing her and the Taiwan. Please find her body near a train station hidden in some weeds jack. I don't hide it.
No, it's equant hewing thousands of say get home. John Hung guy, FAO, the authors net, a lot of homicide in
we're Taiwan, and so it's of interest in the local press. But it's not a huge incident beyond sort of the local crime pages, but it emerges
that there is a problem in and prosecuting in them
itself. Underhung law can't be prosecuted here because it took place in Taiwan, so the family
cease woman. They sent letters to the Hong Kong government. They plead with the chief executive of top official here in Hong Kong to do something to work this out and what do they want? They want him to face justice. They want them to face trial for the murder of their daughter. It can happen in Hong Kong,
stop in Taiwan, but under the existing system. There's there's no way for him to be sent there. Hong Kong does not have an extradition agreement with Taiwan, so basically Tonker has to Rio
its law and how does the government in Hong Kong respond to this request from the parents by proposing changes.
Its extradition law, a very broad series of changes that deal with not just Taiwan, but every single place that it does not
currently have an extradition agreement with including mainland China, and why is that significant Hong Kong is part of China, but it is at the same time separate.
Hong Kong is a former british colony, the return to chinese control. Ninety ninety seven under an agreement called one country too.
Systems. Welcome to the handover ceremony for Hong Kong, held jointly by the government of the United Kingdom and the government of the People's Republic of China. So it is part of the People's Republic of China, but still operates its own similar autonomous system. It has its own local government, has its own local courts control of its own economy. I should like, on behalf of her majesty the queen, to express our thanks and good wishes to all the people of Hong Kong, who have been such staunch and special Fred oversight
in a generation and this law appears to threaten that in some way. That's right
people in Hong Kong are very worried that this agreement would allow.
My man, chinese prosecutors, to reach into Hong Kong and go after criminal suspects in a way that they can never do.
Or an often. How warranted is this fear and hung on its quite warranted in the past few years,
particularly under the leadership of cheating ping, whose expanded his control over China's authoritarian government. There are cases their specific incidents where the mainland authorities have reached across the border and grab people and twenty fifteen. There is a case of snow
as the Causeway Bay booksellers sandwiched between a pharmacy in a nail salon in up a cramped steer? Well, is cause we be books which was closed today, this book shop and the publisher that ran it, that this great business of selling these gossipy tales of the chinese leadership, things that would not be allowed in mainland China, but also things that people from mainland China were quite interested, and so they would come to Hong Kong and by
His books filled with gossip about chinese leaders. This will talks about Madame humbly wins: private life she's China's first lady, this title predicts the downfall of China's resident children. Men and the mainland authorities decided that they did not like this, and so they went after this book company
and there were five people who were detained. Some of them are detained in mainland China. One of them was kidnapped in Thailand and brought back to China and another one disappeared off the streets of Hong Kong and ended up in chinese custody. Why is the case of this missing bookseller so important? Well, I think you consents D.
Basic security and safety of uncle people. In twenty seventeen million chinese billionaire, whose living in Hong Kong was taken from a hotel and has taken across the border and is still in custody in China and in our hasn't, been seen sense.
So people see this as a Trojan horse and a means by which the
a man authorities can further increase, control and reach out and grab people here in ways that they never could before
So, basically, the fears at anybody doing anything in Hong Kong that might offend
China or cross. Somebody in the Communist Party there
could now be vulnerable to extradition. To me,
in China to face charges or not charge is but just disappear. Re people hear her fears that that anything they do here could somehow led them to get in trouble and have to face justice from mainland authorities.
So what happens so? The government proposes this legislation in February and immediately concerns raised about mainland China.
So resistance begins to build towards US legislation. People begin writing petitions. There are some small protests,
Despite all this opposition, the Hong Kong government pushes forward in its
is that it will continue pressing
this legislation for the family of the woman who was killed in Taiwan.
But Taiwan comes out and says that it is no longer interested in pursuing a tradition because the way.
Congress written the law. Taiwan feels that its sovereignty
we'll be undermined, so this
stated reason for this: law has kind of collapsed they're not going to get justice for this woman's family. That's right! That's right, and that really adds to suspicions in Hong Kong people
saying well, if the man, accuser killings, woman is not going to be extradited
if the government pushing forward on it,
it really sort of exacerbates the fears of everyone.
And so resistance to this legislation bills
See more and more protest as a protest by
if you thought lawyers who come out in March, silently and on the afternoon of June Ninth,
Boys, BO peep, beginning gathering in part on Hong Kong, island and plan to march to the government headquarters or the protesters? All around me
this major district commercial desert here they are firmly opposed to spit sissy equate rates.
Turning to see how many people are really show up. I thought the protest about the mid point
is the leaders were walking through
then followed the protest to the government offices, interview people and spoke of people there, and then China use all sort of way to exercise the so called the data ship in Hong Kong just now, but the people they treat s enemy and then sort of Luke. Back to the point where I caught the protests leaders coming through and there's just a sea of people
still pouring through, and I went by that same point another three hours later and there is still a sea of people for Israel.
In the end, the protest organizers estimate that there is more than one billion people who joined the protest.
Be almost one in every seven people in Hong Kong at cost Agri. It is, it is in its. You know it's summer in Hong Kong, so it's not a pleasant time to be standing on a street for hours on end
pictures here this day over thirty degrees celsius, and yet events on that has not stopped the elderly, the senior citizens, the families with young children in infants who feel so always to this legislation. People want to be there. They are also very conscious of being
the march for the entire length to make sure that their counted to make sure that their sea in years past the police would count the number of people who left the park. Two joint protest marches
and so people were really conscious of showing that they were with the protest for the entire distance, even evil, and what what happens next, and so this protest ends. There are still hundreds of thousands of people in the street
the protests ends Sunday evening and the government releases. A statement then says protest is one of the freedoms that are protected in Hong Kong, but we're not backing down. We saw your protest, but we are not changing or going to continue to push through this legislation, its laid on a Sunday evening. The statement came out it something like eleven p m. Many people have gone home. There is still
contingent of of young protestors, who are very upset about the government statement and they try and push through to the legislature.
Begin pushing barriers directly
in fact, in place around the legislature
why police charge
and their clashes that continue through the night and without internal well.
Two. I am watching us. Please fresh protesters and protestors pushed back,
and it was clear that there is quite
anger over the government's response and that people are not come back.
In the attitude of the government, is embodied in a woman inquiry, Lamb who's, the chief executive, the top official in Hong Kong. This bell s not initiated by the central people stuff,
she has pushed for this law along. We were doing and we are still doing it out of our key questions and our commitment to Hong Kong and the sweet she described herself as like the mother of Hong Kong oil anathema.
I know what they are: the ones I have and timely, like a mother. She can't give in to all the whims of her children and so
She must say no to the demands of the protesters to stop this bill I'll need. I feel that the Helsinki Council, a young, light glancing Eddie, I'm saying- and that leads to
greater anger towards the government in the street. Protests continue their clashes between protesters and please he's pepper spray.
These people,
HANS and begin
to drive out protesters from around
The legislature from Rome,
government offices,
and you can see very organised in bed savvy young protestors who come up with a
priority of means of resisting than ever scrape
boy umbrellas and when please
and tear gas canisters scenes of young
testers. Pouring water on the canister did keep the tear gas from from coming out,
and so on Saturday carry Lamb, the chief executive.
Finally says after repeated internal deliberations. Over the last two days,
I now announced that a government has decided to suspend the legislative amendments exercise. We start our communication with all sectors of society. Do more explanation, work and listen to different view
of society, but she will suspend this legislation, but the Hong Kong people remain deeply suspicious of that
government
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Work together. Also, I guess I'm pretty confused about one key thing here. Why would
Hong Kong government do anything that threatens its own citizens. If the people, the city, are calling this law a Trojan horse. Why would the Trojan horse come from within Hong Kong, rather
then, from China. The hungarian government is a very unique creature and care
the chief executive. She often says that she has to masters people of Hong Kong and China, central government and she's not directly
by the people of Hong Kong cheese essentially selected by the government in Beijing, and she answers to them there, her boss, and so many people in Hong Kong, feel in cases like
This the government is not representing them. That's representing the interests of mainland China, so one of you in there
would be that the Hong Kong government knowingly passed a law that would allow its citizens to be more easily extradited to China and it used this murder and Taiwan as an excuse to do so
that's right, that's a fear among many protesters here the government said.
Saturday that it would suspend the extradition law, but people turn out again on Sunday and organizers said Sunday evening,
that there were nearly two million people who turned out to the protest, so almost double the number that came out to protest one week ago, and I spoke with several of them today. So if you could tell us about when you first learned about the bill and what one AMOS Ep an eighteen year old about, two graduated from high school next week said to me that what they want is not just the legislation suspended
but they want it permanently. Withdrawn is not enough. We need to stop this because she would continue to force the passing of this bill very soon as if she doesn't stop this. That's why I came here today
Ultimately, they don't trust the government and they feel that he could hear reintroduce this law and her ass legislature to vote on it at any point during the next year, or so here they only feel safe if the law is completely off the table. Political ways that we are facing is not only this about this bill. Is the Hong Kong people rising up against a government, because the government has been not listening to us for a very, very long period of time
after an innocent. Where does that leave us in your mind? What do these protests?
the fact that they seem to be having some influence on the hungarian government and, by extension it would seem on China.
What does that tell us about the status of Hong Kong
the era of shooting thing they carry out in such huge numbers. The people of Hong Kong have been able to slow,
or temporarily blocked this legislation, but in
There is huge and paying. We know that these pressures are not going to go away and that play
into fears here that, as she jumping wields greater and greater control over all of China. That Hong Kong and Hong Kong's government is aiding an effort to slowly a road Hong Kong's uniqueness, so that the difference between the city in the rest of China will be non existent. And so people in Hong Kong know that they may have slowed this bit of legislation, but they will have to continue turning up in huge numbers for years to come if they want to protect.
Unique identity right if they have any hope of actually protecting that you got anything that's right. There is this fear that in the current climate, but she jumping in Beijing that the people of Hong Kong are fighting a losing battle, but they're not ready to surrender just yet. I asked in thank you very much appreciated,
Thank you, my gun. On Sunday afternoon, Hong Kong's chief executive carry Lamb
poligized for letting down the city's residents but said nothing about with
drawing the extradition law. A statement issued by her office said that Lamb quote promises that she will take
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