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Episode 118: A Tale of Two Parties

2018-11-08 | 🔗

Today on The Editors, Rich, Charlie, Michael, and Luke break down election outcomes for the House and the Senate, discuss future presidential candidates, consider Trump’s role in the election results, and much more.

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three in a majority with with some room for error there. What do you make of it? What happened so a couple things that I saw Trump seems to have repelled or continued telling a class of voters. The Republican Party was starting to lose, which is these upwardly mobile, suburban nights, ITALY, suburban women. It seems the Democrats also attack acted on the other side, some twenty sixteen Trump voters to come back to the Democrats by saying, over and over again we are going to protect the pre existing conditions, protections in a bomb, a care which is a very popular policy and the elected Democrats in the house. I have to give them a ton of credit. They stayed totally on message. They were not repeating the liberal media's talking points about imminent fascism and white supremacy spreading across the nation. They were not so
in that they welcome the caravan or anything like that. They kept it on these bread and butter issues and they won back bits. The raw spelt they one, these kind of half rural districts in New England that often go republican and they want hones enough, there's an effect down ballot. They one times of legislature, seats in places like Colorado, and I were in the state level. I think Nancy police is an underrated politician. She gets a lot of work on the right cause, she's kind of it demon figure for the right she's candy house Leader- and I you know the New York Times printed, a story sort of saying She did better than Paul Ryan in leading her carcass in four in recent years, and I think the right so look first. First on that, how much credit
you give to Canada's selection by the house. Democrats and the messaging by House Democrats or was us just kind of baked the cake. I wouldn't give given too much credit for candidate selection, because it was pretty clear that this was gonna be a democratic year and when you know you can have a good year, you have better a better crop of candidates just emerges and they did have some candidates, including Canada, to lost like any Mcgrath who were able to raise a lot of money and get a lot of attention, especially early on that also then got more candidates, and then- and a lot of these will be one term members of Congress. I think that many of these suburban districts will snapped back to the Republicans after it becomes clear what democratic House agenda looks like in twenty nineteen, but without jumping headed that I wouldn't even to its credit on the can.
Russian front. On the other hand, I think that the messaging around health care- and this is from someone who was sceptical of Ben renew HANS promotion to be desirable, see chairman the chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, which is responsible for driving democratic house campaigns. I felt he was a bit of a lightweight. I I have to eat crow on this. I think you did a very good job. His committee was highly effective at pushing the pre existing conditions line the healthcare line- and I made it lot of work for them. Now, whether or not they can keep many many or any of these seats, they picked up in the kind of what for better luck with better term, we might call whole foods. Districts remains to be seen These are still not heavy tax districts. These are not districts that are gonna vote for fifteen, in our minimum wage. These are not districts. There can make cited for Nedda care for all these.
Districts, who may be a little more enticed by free college, but a lot of the other sort of part and parcel aspects of the left's agenda that they're going to demand that policy pushes in exchange for not voting on impeachment. That's going cost her with these members and in these districts, come twenty, twenty but credit to them on the campaign front and they seized on pre existing conditions early a year ago. Frankly, and they just drove it drove it drove it network so that the best way to look at these districts now, the twenty sixteen Hilary vote. I saw something I think Dave Watchman treated out yesterday, no district that voted fifty five percent or more for tromp flipped, but say the most vulnerable were the most Hildreth district detection. Not true so,
the most Hilary District in America, California, twenty one was won by Debt David, validated by double digits. Carlos Coelho was in the hunt until the very end in Florida, twenty three. So it's not the case that the most Hilary districts with republican members were the ones that fell. We would have expected that new wave, your didn't happen is actually in the soft republican districts, tied districts or slightly trumped up, plus five, where we saw a lot of casualties. Now in general, we didn't see a uniform batch of casualties. What we saw was heavy dumping of chlorine into the congressional pool of the republican conference. So a lot of we can. And maybe some comments we got a little long in the tooth or who hadn't been much in their districts had alienated core constituencies, their districts, people who were vulnerable This was a darwinian moment moment. It wasn't a Katy level extinction event like the Democrats had twenty ten, where they wiped out pre much an entire generation of politicians
so Charlie. How much? In your estimation, should we care about the fact that suburban knights are sweeping away from the Republican Party European, losing the country club. I think that relations are all messed up in America, but I'm not convinced that anything is not only just not permanent, but really I don't how long it will last. I think I think seeing swinging her relations on both sides at the moment is obviously a problem in the suburbs, mostly caused by trampled, are not entirely, but Republicans, I'm doing particularly badly with say, Hispanics, Georgia in Florida and in Texas. That was the case. Does that remain the case for too long? If republic
and move back towards attracting the suburbs today alienates some of those hispanic voters and vice versa, it seems to me that not much has changed about Trump in the last two years. His approval rating is about where his vote was an his vote was in two thousand sixteen the same thing. The Democrats have side really in that they man each to build different coalitions when they run different sorts of candidates, but then they also alienate voters that they need. A good example of this seems to have been Stacy. Abrams, perhaps Andrea gave them, I think, we're in flux, I think, we're looking at a realignment. I'm not prepared to say that I am concerned, happy either way and and another reason for that is that dont from pursuing generis,
He won't be around forever and then what data so Luke? It is election of vote thing real that sir Repugnance and have losses that you would have expected and and for better than expected and Texas in Florida. Why dirt multiple things going on, and I think it's important it disaggregate California letting a vote which was very important in republican performance in the southern California districts, including young kids, victory lair, the first green american woman, elected Congress, Texas and Florida. Those are really very
different populations that we lumped together under the hispanic latina vote as a general proposition. The notion that Donald Trump would mobilise democratic, leaning, Lieutenant Latinos, who are otherwise a low propensity voting audience appears not to be true turn out patterns persist. He has not fundamentally altered those. At the same time, I would say upper working class, lower middle class hispanic voters have been much more open, devoting Republican both that in this cycle and also to some extent, to the extent that we observe it in the special actions going into the cycle based largely round he can performance. As far as I can tell Andrew Gender gap because he gathered satanic men were more more open to Trump. Yet applicant there's a gender gap is First, we can tell and again pulling among minority communities is, is hard and so is not very good, although frankly, it deserves to be better and and people should spend more on it. But there is in fact, as far as I can tell a gender gap in every single racial category,
I did states the hardest one to identify whether there is one or not as black voters, because turn out among black men is so low and also because the few republic there are so few republican voters and then in that that block- although it does appear that possibly you have some some party split or a gender gap between black men and black women, but it's just its marginal in terms the numbers. So Michael. What do you expect out of an anti policy? Let house swimming its Nancy policy, leading it well, we'll talk about definitions later, but I felt like Trump was correctly, anticipating that there's gonna be a lot of legal trench warfare between the house and the White House
and he wants a guy he trusts and likes in the Agee office as that comes about. So I expect a lot of that. I expect a lot of investigations ice genome. The left can have its trade gouty moments for a couple of years and I think it's actually a serious threat to the White House. You dont know what these things can turn up in people laughed at all. You know every member upon it in the world made all these stupid, Benghazi, jokes that cost them the election that turned up Hillary Clinton, email server. That was a big deal. You dont know. If he's turn up the star investigation turn up stuff that people didn't expect. I mean so. This is a serious threat to the Trump White House, and I think Democrats understand that that's where they can make Hey. Corruption is
a winning issue and Democrats. Should you know if our advising them and said put put your energy there even before impeachment island, I expect the house will be able to find stuff most of em than rubber Mueller Gonna find so look what is expected of us. So I agree with Michael. I think that if democratic, smart and Nicholas he's a very good conference manager, she will manage her people and manage them pretty well. She brings both carrots and sticks the table, and she knows where you know the sort of fault lines are, but she faces and very real tensions. Investigations will be a powerful sop to her conference, but it's not gonna be enough because they don't pay dividends quickly and she has a very charged up left wing part of the Democratic House that wants to take signal votes. They know they're, not gonna pass, but they want to take.
Votes that indicate that the Democratic Party supports what is an effect, the Bernie Sanders agenda and the cudgel that they have to hit Pelosi with in exchange for getting those votes on better care for all fifteen dollars. Now a minimum wage, maybe about fishing ice, almost certainly free college or some sort of college get massive college. Debt relief for bail out system is gonna, be the threat of an impeachment vote that everybody knows. Policy does not want to have happened. She does not want to walk the plank on impeachment. I think she's right about that. I think pretty having a democratic house majority will require not voting on impeachment, but it is what their base once, and so there are massive incentives for people to be political entrepreneurs on this and defect from her line and, frankly threaten her speakership with an a majority if she doesn't give them one or the other. She said, and I have to give him Sanders votes or she's gonna have to get an appeal for this is the same way. The echo question: first, you Chauncey W cook percent of chances. President Trump will be impeached over the next year, zero,
as he will shut it down. It's not gonna happen. A hundred percent, its irresistible and baked in the cake, zero shouted down like rendered forty three percent, and if they turn up something crazy, One of these investigations, the Thompson I somewhere between zero and three are higher now, I'm higher, because if they find something that has the stink of reality to it, she won't be able to stop it, and so I'd put it twenty, it's not very high, but I'd say twenty percent, I'm gonna go higher. I say thirty percent. I take MIKE's point earlier that Nancy Policy so far as played this very well, she didn't take debate. Ever in this election and she ran. I think, the in the most effective way guess Donald Trump as a typical Republican he cut taxes for the rich and he wants to take away your health care rather than run against him as a would be or a russian agent, and
think she's sincere and not when you do impeachment, there's really know upside to it, you're not gonna, go anywhere in the Senate less at some thermonuclear smoking on its head to imagine at the moment, but the base will be bring for it and is cut it. It's easy to say or believe, you're gonna resist that pressure earlier. In the midst of that pressure and the environment will around this will change. Will you mothers report and whatever form attack eggs, and I kind of just don't believe, he's gonna of fade away into that good night. So I think the odds are punished. Chances are thirty percent So with that, let me tell everyone a little bit about whatever sponsors today and that is all at the time of the year. When everyone is thinking about thoughtful gifts, early should be thank you. Giving yourself the gift of an audible membership. Now is the best time to do it with a special offer. Access
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several of these by especially in Missouri in Indiana, by margins larger than most people expected. Although Luke, you did always tell us clear, mechanical dead you're, you ve been system. Since we started talking about the election, Claremont casket had had a glass John, was dead, turns out you're right about that. But where did you make the Senate side, Dr Weir, this is a tale of two countries. I think the Democrats had control of some seats in states that have either since they won them, become more republican or had been kept because Republicans ran terrible candidates were deeply flawed kind which was the case in both Indiana last time and and in Missouri so really with with India,
you're in Missouri. You are looking at it states that elected Democrats twelve years ago, but have changed in the interim and only now only now have sort of updated to our new status quo. Not Dakota. I think it is a more interesting one but term it is quite trompe its prime for this sort of report, party and highly high cuts, made certain choices, one of which was to vote against Brett Cabinet, which kind of help too Florida. Well, it looks like can one in Florida, or that is a very odd things going on in Brown counted today. So we will. We will revisit that, but then you have the house, which seems to have been more reflective of a general protest vote against the President. I think I think I'm right in saying that the popular vote in the house
Seven percent. I hate that. I hate that statistic. I hate that way of looking at it. It's it's silly, its generally used for excuse making, but you do see, I suppose where, where national sentiment is, even if you shouldn't draw much from it constitutionally and a lot of seats, the Republicans how we were ripe for being being not off, so it's it's odd that we had a reaction to Tuesday on both sides. That was positive because we have this dichotomy between the Senate and between the house and in in some ways, you saw a realignment in both. So look with this job geography and demography at work or something
larger going on or to Republicans in homage Mcconnell deserve deserve credit for getting his racist over the finish line- and I mean all of these, things can be true at once. Right, I mean they're. Demography is a big part of it. The the collapse, the rural democratic parties, a part of it, but I think the big take awaited hasn't been discussed. Is that Democrats have a black turn? problem very clearly if we brought it out to all statewide races to include governor ships, not obviously Iowa. This would apply, but in Ohio and in Indiana and in Missouri. These states saw very, very relatively low black turn out, and that meant that, with the move of formerly democratic rural voters into the republican camp, not only to their their candidates lose, but they lost badly and an unexpected ways. I mean
Richard, Courtrai should be the governor of Ohio. Unlike the wines long time, public servant he's well known in the state, generally pre well regarded, but you know I don't think governor elect to wine Offended, if I said he's not exactly like a burning pillar of charisma, like he's a traditional politician who worked hard at the job in campaigns hard, but he's not a rockstar debbie. Stamina came not close to losing, but certainly underperformed versus John James, and I think it's not too much to say that if it had been Gary Peters up, the other sender from Michigan James might well beaten him. You have real problems if your Democrat, mobilizing and motivating black voters who are a bigger and much more selling a chunk of your electorate, both primary and general electorate than they have historically been in part because of the departure of these were a white voters. Also that that's the big take way that I take from in in terms of statewide races. They don't really matter for house, because the way has districts are structured and also because of some gerrymandering I mean that's, not a decisive factor but
it does really matter in any midwestern state and also in southern states, whether or not you can turn out like voters, so What did you make of the three big mark? He progressive candidates, Org and down or again or put a little Astrakhan on Florida. But you had Socio, Remsen Georgia and undergo Florida and better work, and CS. It seemed a lease counter, intuitive that these were the Canada's. They are running in red or really tight swing states, but then you'll have people left argue will look in of battle came within three points of of beating crews in a more conventional democratic. Wouldn't it able to generate enthusiasm and fund raising allowed him to come that closed. No, I mean, I think you know there is a lot of dumb stuff in the media like. Oh, even one, better work loses. He wins, but there is
a little bit of true said, like Democrats on the ground in Texas, achieved begins on judicial and judicial races that might not otherwise have happened. If you didn't have a slight lot of energized Democrats trying to turn out and be crews and think it shows the Bruce was, is way weaker than the Republican Party in Texas. Right, I mean he's just running substantially below and where Gregg Abbot is- and you know I think democratically. Another shot at him. If I was advising them, I would say you know pick a candidate, that's charismatic, can does a little bit of this just in Trudeau, stuff that better dead, but that also makes some concessions to republican voters who don't like crews, a hidden he d make any
because there are the. Obviously there are others. Obviously, republican vote in Texas does not fully satisfied with TED crews, and you know that's why he that's why this was close for the night. That's that's a big deal, so you know I don't know how their people feel about to cruise, but the another letter above do the Senate feel like he deranged them during the Obama years and maybe some Texas Republicans feel the same way as for the others. I mean I thought the Democrat strategy in general to allow progressives to kind of experiment on the edges with these races was was probably worthwhile as data gathering and it came back. Pretty bad
presses wanted this experiment to know Sean Mcgaughey in these other guys that have moved from progressive pondered tree to progressive political activism. They wanted this test. They wanted to take these kind of hard to industry six and say: let's run a social, democratic message, Medicare for all and see how we do you could have matured and amplified thou wilt Hector the popular Obamacare parts for Democrats, it didn't work, Emmy didn't work the way they wanted it to and the progressive UNESCO, in saying. Maybe we want to do more primaries and blue states in the future. That is why theres many. There are many blue state. Senators, deep blue state senators who are not super progressive. I don't think they ll ever get trucks humor out, but constructs pretty wise, but that's a type. A figure that progressives could go after
but yet in Georgia, was gonna, be a longshot forests, gummy longshot and any you have to wonder if there were. There are racial factors in some of these races, and it's it's it's tough to broach this subject. Honestly, I think for conservatives but you're, seeing in a kind of the patterns that obtain in the cotton South States kind of spreading to Georgia and Florida where, where whites are moving out of the Democratic Party and into the Republican Party and its these, the parties, coming less polarized on class and all a bit more polarized on race. I think the most interesting thing about Florida, isn't it Scott who ran a better campaign than to Santa by far is there's just no doubt about that. Did not win by as much and Nelson is a weaker candidate in many respects than Gilan
Why is it that give em was unable to get over the finish line, while he's an extremely talented politician? I just want to emphasise the extent to which he is extremely high quality care and, while give Rambo pie, we we none of us. They said he was gonna win, we get what yet we also he was gonna win and might still, but I think a big part of this also, though, is healthcare and as much as health care can help build cross racial working class coalition for the Democrats in some of these soft red seats in a place like Florida, where you have a disproportionately aged population a young candidate from the northern part of the state going into the sea, part of the state and saying I'm gonna mess with the status quo. Around healthcare is a loser. So Charlie, you make it out the racial argument as we you could see it, starting as soon as at dissenters went ahead of Gilan
on election night. The argument building that this is a racist state that was rejecting a black candidate and same with Georgia too I don't understand that. I have to say again, whatever is happening: broad county. This election for governor is going to be closer than was the one and two thousand fourteen and was the one in two thousand ten. In other words, the Republican is going to win by less than did Rick Scott when he ran for governor two thousand fourteen ended Rick's got when you ran for governor and two thousand ten. Scott run against two white people so undergo and has in fact done better than his sir, to failed white predecessors, and I believe, although I think she's lost, as while the Stacey Abrams has done better
given recent gubernatorial candidates on the democratic side enjoy Meanwhile, report, men's lined up to vote happily for John James in Michigan. He came closer to stamp out and people thought that he wouldn't Democrats had no trouble whatsoever running african american candidates for the house and prevailing tied all Red One in Texas right. Well, I think this is a reflexive response on the left. I think it hurts them culturally and hurt them politically. And I don't see it borne out by the numbers so looked out an execution to you, the rising star, Democratic party was elected Tuesday night, even if maybe we don't know it yet, was elected or was on the ballot if on the ballot potential? Yes, if elected, I don't think so, who you think if I
I think that Gilman veto are both real potential contenders, given the national profile, well, definition well defined persona they have and their fundraising networks. I I think beetle is paper thin and not there's not much there, but he tapped into something among sort of like bourgeois Democrats. That is real and give him he's a talent. He has real talent. This victory will hurt a middle set him back, but he is he a good avatar for a cross racial leftist agenda. So let's amend the question, Michael then to say the rising star. The democratic party was on the ballot somewhere Tuesday night, even if they we don't know yet the gravitational figure is Gavin Newsome, the the new Governor California, he's gonna, be President
Brill America. I think he knows that he's only present liberal Amerika and I think, because he represents beat the in full flower, read too thin clause. The appetites of upwardly mobile, bourgeois progressives, he's gonna happen, outside influence, backed by Silicon Valley money. I think I think he's a big deal he's already picking culture were fights with christian universities. I think he's gonna be a polarizing figure I don't know, I think, is so difficult to tell what people are gonna want in a couple of years. I think the answer is probably no. I dont think that the the rising star on the Democratic Party was elected yesterday. I think I think the rising star in the Democratic Party may have lost or not run worth pointing out any.
Robot shower was re elected, yet COBRA chart closer might be the rising star. I just I almost think of Newsome as them the Red Moon, rising or so You know he hasn't. Here's a gravitational, I think he's going to have a gravitational effect on our politics, even if I don't think he can be elected press, He so lazy, though he's just so lazy, never underestimate just how it is if you were, you abolished the system of primaries that we have an stead returned to an air of smoke filled rooms. You would, if you are a democratic, had honcho in my view, sit around. And say right, let's stop prepping Amy Clay which are given what we saw in the Midwest, given the way she behaved doing
haven't, I hearings, given the weaknesses that Donald Trump has. I just think that question has to be filtered through the fact that we have primaries and the primary electorate is significantly different than is the general electorate on that that causes problems for both parties. I mean to say the answer is yes, I take looks point about the talent overwork and give them, but, as Charlie setting or two ago, I'm just not how sure how a rock translates once he's out of the Texas environment, running as TED Crews, Gill, honest they heard by the presumptive loss will see, was actually happening and Brower County, I think a club which are is on paper makes a lot of sense. But yeah is is really a nice easygoing Democrat Goin to women a nation there's nobody in that centre left lane in Iowa right now, though, everybody's run into the left, there all run and heartening,
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basically as rating better than any other mid term ever because because he had raised the level of interest and he he did travel was he had allowed rallies and clearly these things are still hot ticket enormously well attended same kind of energy in the room he did nothing he could and going in exaggeration and at certain links at a time to focus the issue on immigration and the caravan. What do you make of trumps impact on this election, so I have at times critical of the present, I will say he worked very hard for the candidates party. I think his rallies are exceptionally well put together. His advanced crew deserves a ton of credit, they do a phenomenal job and I having a present, whose willing to put his skin in the game of four congressional Canada is a big advantage. I would, however, say that I think the person who hasn't got enough credit for the mid terms is also
Donald Trump buddies. Donald Trump Junior, who campaigned as if he were himself a candidate for sick today's essentially nonstop going into the mid terms and it's difficult to convey just how exhausting stressful and literally in some cases, illness inducing this sort of thing. Is he it it's? It is an asset to the Republican Party, you have the son of a sitting president willing to go anywhere. Do anything who doesn't think he's too good for anything who doesn't want to just do? Fund raiders will do rallies with college Republicans and who will who will just go and do that work. Organ sizing and activating voters, especially base voters were fired up to see him who are gonna, be the people can, doors dropped or hangers make the phone calls do the hard, thankless GEO tv work. I think that he was a bigger factor in making Montana the nail biter that what that
was and in no way to us all and against tester yeah. He did it. I think that he deserves a lot more praise them he's getting. I haven't seen a single news report. Talking is out clear point about it and, and that is such an asset to the Republican Party and the nationally, and nobody seems to have been talk so Michael, obviously, we reacted at, but also curious what you make specifically of how Trump campaigned immigration variety, and were here- and I agree with them. He would tell us how he is. He is, for the most part, hitting on legitimate concerns, but doing in a way that's kind of exaggerated and crude and seems to turn people oftener somebody somewhere better ways to express these points, and I agree with that then I'm still not. I have, as I have said before, have more doubt than I did in the past about whether this this way Talk about immigration is a self defeating, as I would have thought yeah so couple things, one just quickly from junior
That guy is a winner in a believer he's republican. This is not some guidance. I kind of drifted in like his sister vodka. This yet disguise the real deal only his speech. The convention was an underrated thing a couple years ago to have the rights betrayer so Trump on immigration. I think my theory of sort of what is going on is that this group of voters Luke, mentioned earlier these white voters, her kind of in this matter class to kind of insecure middle class having drifting into the Republican Party for a long time and Trump has partly accelerated that existing trend. I do think
there is an element I you know I do think, there's an element of racial panic involved. I think that there is the almost like. I'm not saying it's an explicitly racist appeal, but I do think In secure middle class of a lower fertility group in a country with or their shrinking per cent of population and their very intense we worried about what their cause will decline means for them in their place and status in the country, Trump activates, those fears he understands that fears- and you know I think he activated them and in that way I do think Republicans could. With the right message in agenda? Maybe Rubio learned a few tricks from trumpeted. Don't think he's ready to do him
yeah, I know look. I know I got my guiding us running around like we have time for a twenty minute. Rabbit include out your finger from Luke. I do think that there is this multi racial appeal starts with hispanic men and moves on to more black men and changes this party and makes it more middle and class family aspirations party right, like people, were struggling stay married form. A stable family should be natural, should be Republicans. I think it can be there and Trump terms particular approach that issue. While it accelerates the trend of whites moving into the party right, like the Republican Party, one white spite ten this time wares and you know two dozen, for they want them by four, so that trend is happening. Trumps accelerating it. But I think there's a different way to reach out, and I do worry about some long term costs to the weight trumpets doing it. I think, you're right that it
for now he's those odors and he's winning were efficiently distributed across the rest bout in twenty. Sixteen for that appeal, not just that not just the immigration part of it, but us, we're gonna take care of everyone. His is sort of freedom from The partisan niceties, I think, appeals to he's voters as well. As you know, the fact that he will trash about trash candidates that didn't stay close to him. People like that about Trump they'll that honesty they enjoy his vanity in them. That was that was point is falling behind you and your father, who are like institutional Applicant party, but like I actually think it you're probably works to his advantage. When he's doing that it should. It demonstrates a free. I think that debt of motor that sees partisanship as an obstacle to their interests for sure end so anyway. I do think that there is a little
a woman like sometimes why do you mean jocose remind me of like Prussian Lutherans, with this kind of panic of like declining influence? either in their region, who yeah that I'd. I think electric helpful in the short term I'm worried and serve to try it. What it way thanks was Trump helpful Erful where, Since you ve been helpful in the states, he knew he would be helpful in and he went to them uneasy. You ve done pretty well, there he's not helpful to Barbara Comstock right. It didn't seem especially helpful in parts it My army day, Candy Florida didn't seem particularly helpful in the suburbs. Republicans needed to win in order to maintain control of the house again, I think we have two countries. I think this was to elections. I think we saw various coalition
is being sharpened or dulled, depending on your perspective, Donald Trump is extremely divisive. Some people think he is Hitler. Some people think he is. Jesus son is sent down to save the country and that both right, at least that both right in the sense that he motivate people to vote. This is oddly enough. The way american President seem to be at the moment. Barack Obama was greatly beloved by so many people, but he also really did DR resistance turn out and Donald Trump for all of his flaws and for all of his virtues, has not Can that trend so expression, you Luke Thomson? What do you think
given what we saw on Tuesday night? Does it make you think that present trumps reelection is more likely less likely or the same. It is only less likely because the house investigations are going to be a problem like a more less same, less likely, because Democrats figured out how to attack him in the important states he added to the republican man and commercial Republicans, aren't gonna help him. Aren't you that would help him. We win that and Democrats will find ways to hurt him Charlie more less same rich. Can you ask me the question is how to stop me, from coming into their no problems, Charlie Cook and what we saw on Tuesday. I do think that present trumps reelection is more likely less likely. The same thing is the same. I don't know,
What that means, I don't know whether I think is likely or not, but I don't think it's changed a great deal I don't think much has changed in the country. Frankly for two years. Basically right, I'm gonna put my pinky. Scale for very, very, very slightly more likely x. I think his voters are still there for him and I'd be confident, though still be there for him in a big way when he's actually on about himself flu, and Ohio, I think we're in encouraging, but the the the firstly, the warning is Pennsylvania and Michigan and Wisconsin seeming basically to snap back Agus, especially Pennsylvania. The thing is, if you take all things being equal we could have or we could have recession and trap, holds all the states.
Lose Pennsylvania and Michigan and still win. If you hold on to a Scots one must not really turn. You know what a waste to recruit: Lou Barletta in Pennsylvania and Heaven flame out in what ways for JD vans not to run in a high against that could have been interesting, yet Jim Renee see just refuse to campaign, refuse to put any of his personal personal fortune into it, and that was really disappointing. I think it's pretty clear that shirt Brown, who is a very talented politician, is not in the mainstream of the state in more and was much more beautiful than people thought. A year ago, so before we move on to our next topic. I want to tell everyone about and our plus the new digital subscription service, on national view that calm. We know how ten thousand sign up for, and our applause, has been growing by leaps and bounds, were very excited about it and we like think it's because it session tract of programme. For all of you out, there has lots of great if it's, including they get access.
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On this. What is your level of alarm about prison? trumps firing of Jes Jeffson hence zero to ten zero he's. The exact If he gets the heavy chief executive, he gets have the agee. He wants ten. This portal, a looming constitutional crisis. Ok, it's a one as it there's a variable. It's a one based on how things like today, If, because I think the Mueller investigation is calm down and peep, many people basically forgotten about it, not war trump shouldn't be worried about it But if Miller just turned around to Morrow and says I wanna talk to Trump Junior again, we have some problems and its about eight or nine Charlie Gelatin
I think is very low, not not just because, as Michael says, it doesn't seem to be. It feel pitch anymore. But also because the consequences would be great, and now that the Democrats have the house, I suppose it's possible that Donald Trump thinks he would win that fight, but he wouldn't and for the first time, in a long time, we are not looking at some pretence that the executive branch must investigate itself that the president can appoint, who he wants. The president has to sit by and and declined to run his own branch of government we're looking at a situation in which the house, I can do what it wants and I think that will not only make those around Donald Trump realise that to get involved now would be a great
but I think it will also have some effect in the Senate. I think you'll going to see figures such as Ben Sasse and Mitt Romney, quite loudly side with with Democrats who will be saying, leave it leave it leave it. Don't go there, I think, is very alarming. Is the one Luke Politics right now are on the side of waiting if you're Donald Trump, so I dont know why he would fire Miller and in particular he has in that would occur acting Agee, who sees no real reason to accuse himself and has no reason to accuse himself, and so monitor those stated investigation. So I guess I'd say like a two two yeah too. That's right actual the right answer. It is too it has to I think this is a vengeance firing he hated Come came to hate Jeff sessions. He thought he was weak hated. The fact that are accused himself so far has been a cooperate.
The problem, and as far as we can tell, there's two ongoing negotiations over the questions or or maybe his lawyers actually formulating. Written questions to mothers queries. I think the investigation is why, down either he's gonna end this year, but try to squash. It now would be completely insane, because whatever smaller has or has and if you'd, if you fired him, he would just and day in January, when democratic control, the house would show up the fisheries committee hint to tell them everything he has so I think there is a tendency were Trump would prefer just because he's here the thing just to do that, but I think he'll be doubt of it one and two uses his own sense of self interest and self preservation or prevail, which is why I agree: if link it to one more ex, a question to you, Michael Brenda Authority. We had this started
one hour and I believe twenty six minutes Trump Press conference, which is one for the ages, and I realize this is this- is not how a president should act, and this is one reason in a republican such a huge problem in the suburbs, and it doesn't matter what the agenda is because of Trump's personality, but it was hugely at its ethnic and one point is really seemed to as though there is going to be an open in a fight Jim Acosta this poor internal trying to get the MIKE from giving castor trump looming, angrily above them and from the fire of this. The White House is revoked. Jimmy cost is hard ass to get into the the White House to do his stand up, sir, before the wine in front of the White House
the side of the White House so execution to you in two weeks time will Jim cause to have his hard passed back or not. I know it, but he'll get back in like three three weeks for four weeks, Charlie he'll get it back trump is playing with him, like Tom plays with Jerry and after a while I get bored and want the back and forth once again. Luke you get it back, but I he shouldn't, I really think actually Trump should hold it. On. This he's he's violated the basic tenet of journalism, which is that you are not the story and made himself the story, and so frankly, I dont think other journals going to rally to his defence and honestly, it could be a nice reset moment for the health of the administrations relationship at the press, but then again the theatrical other two appealing for all involved:
I suspect he'll be back in. I think you'll get it back. So, let's hit a few other items before we go look even transfixed by demanding that is, or was in central park beautiful male mandarin duck showed up in central park. These are native to China, been introduced into England and HOLLAND, their gorgeous animals, and this was all a flurry. I woke up this morning to read a headline that the dock has been abducted. And no one knows where it is. No wonder how do they know subjected hesitant as soon as it might foul and no one I passed back so it's it's been had it. How do we know? Nobody knows? Nobody knows what happened to it. But typically are you? Are you birder or you just just this particular exotic species not occur to you. But I but I walked through central Park a lot, and you know I like to look the snapping turtle to look at the animals and data, and this was it literally
in terms of of these. Are these animals don't live in the wild in the? U S or some one? Clearly let loose of captivity in years. We need showed up windows, I saw somebody onto descended. It would have been reported missing, in presume delicious not very large, so I mean, if you were going to eat a duck from central park. I'd go with one of the rather know. Mallard got more mass tat back so Michael you ve been watching the Americans yeah everyone, everyone in our business or a lot of them, are MRS Love, the show and was transfixed by sea finale or that serious failure, overseer I'd abandoned it a couple years ago and started picking it back up with little about of inside me last night, and I just got how crazy, like it so talking to me there was a television show that was popular that
come out and say here: the World Council of Churches was cats by the KGB, like that was an unspeakable in thirty years ago, and now can be in a popular television? Show that you just say that and then, is so subversive and greed- and I don't How people also showed us just be equally shows and portrays soviet com. Ism as evil, and more evil than anything United States was doing to oppose. It constantly wishes subversive in itself as well, ah and utter notes. It's pretty shipping, so surely even transfixed with floored allege. Why have on it
supposed to be my light item. I really do not know what is going on and if you look at Florida at least as it stands, it was a success story for Republicans and fit for the right, because it wasn't just the case we'll see what is the state that Republicans, race and the Senate rice. They also look to have one every single state, white Office plus Past amendment five to the state constitution. Amendment five dictates that any tax or fee increase has to be presented to the legislature in a stand alone bill and then voted by two thirds of each house which, given that the constitution
does not change. That often means that, even if the Democrats were to take back the chamber or the Governess mansion, they're gonna have a tough time raising taxes, which is good for conservative governments, is good for keeping spending as well, especially the state level and because governor, we hope, dissenters incoming these states Supreme Court, which has been for three from the left perspective, would go to six one from the rights perspective. So again I mean we may be talking next week about the the remarkable news outflow. But as it stands, this is light item indeed, because almost every single question when went the right way onto So, as I mentioned last week on the brushing up on my twentyth century history, Trickly with guards to the domestic front during World war, two, and even though my father was a
huge swing. Music fan, I'd never really focus much on Glenn Mill Who is the biggest step pop star of I'm and he just insisted when the war broke up that he had to sign up in such a big deal goes beyond, say, assigning two plus he was thirty. Eight years old is too old to get in and had literally bag. The inducted and then made it, is project to update military music and give it give it a jazz elements. The Saint Louis Blues March is is a great example. This is wonderful song swing was thought to be very important to the war effort because G eyes loved it jazz, hating Nazis couldn't stand it and Glenn Miller's band travelled tirelessly
entertaining the troops and he died tragically and plane crash in the English channel, a great american hero. So with that, Michael S, good or editors picks. What's your pick, our democracy has opposed fortune. Peace spout, no normal sees revenge, and yet this is one of those position pieces. You should read like Charlie. I, like Alexander DE scientists, pushing back on feminists, who not only right that women in general on real women, if they don't do whatever those feminist want them to, but actually tell Alexandra on Twitter. That she is an enemy of women. She his tireless in rebutting these arguments and fighting back and might imagine is often on the end of some considerable abuse, but I think she's admirable
and necessary. Most recent pieces, specifically on the question of white women who have been accused of everything since two states election, but in general, as she's she's, a solid voice on this on the system. Look what you pick! Yeah, I also like me not actually, first, the daughter of Florida peace, although exaggerates mistaken, gets mistaken on the internet a lot, but I also say that Michael Brennan dirty Summary of the GNP the GOP coalition going into election night ass. This was what, from two days before the election, looks pretty good in retrospect and people go ahead so that once again go back to arm fundraising pitches because Our fundraising DR ended at midnight on election day and we raised almost three hundred fifty thousand, where's well above our goal, which was two hundred two hundred twenty five.
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