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Most of us. Certainly I did overestimated the number what the deal would be. I said two point three Africa, where you were last week on Europe. As I said, I was just under two just under two, so your closer than I was it seems to me This thing was really baked in a cake from the said, the oval office meeting, which was just a disaster when one trump assured that Nancy policy would become Speaker the house without really any trouble to speak of because net plus. He used him as a loyal very effectively and he took ownership of the shut down and then went into the shot down which got him. Absolutely nothing and in fact weakened his position such that he is now going to take a deal with one point three and sometimes change billion, an fence funding, whereas there is one point six that the Senate committee had agreed to prior to shut down, so he's actually lost ground here, yeah naughty boy trump. Not the best deal

maker in the world on this one. I am I by the end of it? I thought he coming away from this remarkable undamaged that was well so I thought about it means that use. I see, complaints from the kind of more nationalist friends of the right saying that he caved if he signs onto this he's finished and yet his pole numbers floating back up because the shot? is over. He gave a The state of the union address of very popular, and it's like everyone has already begun to move on curious, whether he does with this emergency funding. Try to get a kind of set piece of wall built in a through an emergency power to kind of declare himself. The guy who got it down again all business, but.

I'm sure he has the guts or wherewithal to go through with that, and I am not sure that even his republican colleagues in the Senate would let him do not do something so its it seems as though they are now talking about getting pots of money that wouldn't require the declaration of emergency additional. How much but it is how that would work, how legal it would be rather important, question the Lucas's Was there a misread on the part of the president about what his base cared about or was it a correct Read that was really important for him to try to deliver here, or at least be seen to try to deliver, because from perspective? It seemed ass, though his lease and tactics overly pushed around by cable tv hosts and talk radio show host, who might claim to speak for the Trump based, but no one speak for the Trump based more then Donald J trumped us, I think, that's right,

a strategic error in a technical error, put the White House in a position where they were gonna get less than then they might have gotten otherwise, in the strategic air, of course, was wasting the last two weeks of unified republican government passing first Step act, and I mean that's that will probably go down as the biggest self inflicted policy wound. The administration has as committed, because that's a building could a password bipartisan sport and they could have easily gotten five billion for the wolf had made a priority at the the end of the Republican House control, so their strategic error. The Tec glare, of course, was present, move the goalposts during early Senate negotiations that made it impossible for Mitch Mcconnell to put a bill on the floor because he couldn't promise his own members that it would get signed.

and that shifted the agenda setting to the White House, and then the White House promptly sort of gave it away to the Democrats as soon as they recognise that look, the reality was Nancy close. He was holding the purse strings and could force another shot down. That would be unpopular so having Miss prioritized the end of the last Congress and then sort of Miss played their hand with their own allies on the hill. At the beginning of of the new Congress, there wasn't a whole lot. They could do I think they were bailed out to some extent by Nancy Pelosi, trying to throw a sop to her own base and probably more specifically, those progressive caucus in the house,

in attempting to limit the number of detention beds and then that stirring some initial blow back that, I think they realize, would play extremely poorly because it would give officially commit the Democratic Party to a policy of catching release over certain number of detainees. And at that juncture you know they. They were ready to come to a deal and signed something I I don't think this will be a loss for him with the base, but I think it also means that we're gonna have miles of wall factored into every major appropriation that they can be for the duration of the presidency. Whether that's two more years are six warriors: try what you think, while I'm not thrive this is gonna, be a problem for him long term. I think it might somewhat under caught the case that was made for Trump during the prime is clearly what we just saw with. The shutdown was not really

negotiation over government policy or government spending, but was a laying out of the political views of either Side Trump certainly succeeded in making it clear that he wants the war and that his attitude toward the war implies a whole host of other attitudes that are important to his base, namely that he's not in favour. Open borders and he wants to do something about illegal immigration. No, these under any illusions about that. Now They also could think that to use the phrase it was using the primaries he fights, because he was prepared to leave the government shut down for a long time. He didn't window and the argument for Trump at least one of them back in two thousand fifteen. Sixteen was while Republicans

we are going to do this or that, but they dont do it, whereas this guy he fights and he'll get it done. We didn't and in that respect, he's not much different than the other Republicans Republicans that was supposed to be so useless at the party needs to be turned upside down. I do think that that these important battle lines in american life, not just because immigration is a big topic per se, but because ones attitude toward immigration is important as it relates to other questions, whether America is a nation or should just welcome every body whether America is a country that will retain. Present system or not and so on and so forth and going into two thousand twenty. It may well help trump to be able to point to his his fidelity to his his promises, even if he didn't ultimately get what he wanted. But I I

I don't think you can look at this in substantive terms as anything other than, alas, so, Michael, you share my frustrate and as restriction, is that the cliche republican thinking on immigration as illegal immigration is bad tat. We all agree on by legal immigration is good just without any question its legal whatever it is, it's good and there is at least a promise that with Trump we'd get beyond that, he saw the cotton Purdue I Stephen still obviously understand this very deeply. Trumpet times has talked this way but clearly doesn't really believe it has absorbed it very deeply, and it's kind of just made it even more Tunis version of what had been there pump conventional republican thinking, which all the border saw that illegal immigration is all about the wall and there's nothing else. You really cares about rain. immigration and its, The real missed opportunity, because innocent

What we're dealing with is once a decade there is kind of a build up towards immigration, reformer legislation in the nineties. It was the Jordan Commission which, still to this probably had the most sensible recommendations going forward in the two thousands energy doesn't six. Under the Bush White House, there was a build up toward a major settlement, and yet Congress cannot broker with the public about a long term deal because the elite consensus differ so much from the popular consensus and then Trump Administration, actually with all Stroman Dirt Drang, actually look like he had, Billy, to build a bridge between the government and the popular consensus, which is ending illegal immigration as much as possible. In reforming the immigration system to a long term settlement where there is a workable.

still be a generous recipient of legal immigrants. Bud we will choose ones that fit our economy will a similarly easily will as right argues in his book assimilate into a middle class society awe and be a net benefit, not just economically but socially to this country for a long time to come now. It seems like it's just formal fallen apart due to inattention and an inability of four trump too use the surprise and shock of his own election to the presidency to turn to Publicans and Congress in those first two years and say this is the top agenda, This is what I ran on. I ran on. This issue. We have to deliver big on this issue and I'm worried were in for another ten years, where nothing substantial is going to happen and

we have seen and AIR Kaufman's new book white shift is so good on how this is transforming politics in Europe. Is that what happens is More more pressure is built up and more and more of that. taboos. Around multiculturalism, race and other social issues fall your It becomes more polarized heated and no, potentially more socially explosive, and even this was a make. This was an an own goal by robot by the trumpet ministration. He should have been able to put together a settlement that was popular, An enduring and moved this issue, the table and allowed Republicans to do other things that they want to do so. Look. How useful is it to tromp that a least he got out of this dispute?

democratic forcibly on the record, including Nancy policy. Saying walls in an themselves are bad things or immoral that this was really the crux of they do or roarings speech when he countered trumps rally and Alpine, so and he says walls kill pate people basically and says anyone who shows option should be allowed. The common stay, because that's who we are as a country, I don't think it's a net add to anything that they had already sedentary sixty a yank. You know Hilary had said all these things, all the democratic pro

said all these things I mean so long as the issue remains on the front burner. I think it's a long range winner, but Trump has not proved himself to be an effective messenger and sort of leader on getting things done on this front. The truth is, I happen to think the junior sender for Utah would be the perfect vessel through which pass something meaningful to turn american immigration law towards something that looks a lot more like Canada, because you have indisputable leak credentials there, as well as ideas that are, I think, much more lined with the popular consensus, but real artist runs out that. I think that, although some of this is Trump zone, lack of experience and lack of discipline and lack of knowledge is also,

Partly the product of a victory on the left, it is so much easier to argue against illegal immigration than to discuss what the immigration system would look like, because when you argue against illegal migration, all you have to do is make a generalised case for the law. You say I'm in favour. Of the law I dont like lawbreakers. I think that we should uphold the rules we have. There are people who will disagree with that, who will argue against that, but it's tough. It's tough, also because once somebody takes a rhetorical position against the law once they say. I think this law is so bad that it shouldn't reinforced, then can turn around and civil. What about these laws that you like, whereas once you get into the question of who be here who shouldn't what our immigration system should look like, who should prioritize and into the inevitable cultural questions about raises. Who do we want, and why do we want to focus on this issue

nation. Do we want people to speak English? Do we want people from similar cultures? Two hours? Do we want people who are ready to work? Do we want people who are ready to work, or at least can only work in low skilled jobs. When you into that, then you are susceptible in this day and age to being quota racist. It is much less pleasant to talk about cultural questions and it is to say I am for the law and the fact that Trump himself has felt compelled ass. He did it rally the other night to say, as I said, the union the other night something to say to say we want people to come legally and then to add, live as many as possible. The fact that he felt compelled to say that is himself put a shield against charges of racism or bigotry, which means that rhetorical. The left has done a good job here, even in the midst of a Trump presidency, and I think that in and of itself should give people who do not agree with the restrictions to gender or who don't want to talk at all about who we should have an who. We should not

some confidence going forward that the original sin on this was done. Early knee administration, when Steve than in others, opted for the drama of the travel ban. Rolled out in his disorganized way created scenes at airports, because Stephen have this idea. orchestrating drama and activists and driving people crazy in getting people riled up at my low talk said you know you, see California colleges, which was rejected, with a real drama, the moon when a drama they should have been looking for was we in the presidency unveiling a comprehensive solution drawing on decades of work by policy and scholars who lean restriction, is and presenting a full fledged plan, It would have been. The drama was: is that this disorder, the seemingly disorganized shoot from the hip present may this his signature issue and why

He laid out a plan that is popular than is detailed. That several problems at once. That would have been the dramatic Flourish and the winning move, but instead we opted for, like the click, the presidency really Han, and this is the result of me they're trying to call for the immigration planet right now and probably very disappointing and restriction of tourists who ate it I'm by now. It is you exactly by now some also you know they waited two easier repeal where we did not have that kind of deep bench of think tank, work, policy, work and credible obviously, the anomaly Jeff sessions was frozen out. Early Hon Ino in a lot of mistakes on this issue Charley s question to you on this raid present trunks performance in the shutdown battle from a two f d and media

Let me see a b minus just because I don't think it's actually him look met a passing grade, but barely be minor, see, plus I guess a c minus and I think it's grading on a curve a little bit for the same reason, Michael, that you mention, which is that it didn't seem to hurt him that much, but besides kind of two speeches where he set out at a a deal, it was hard to get much worse than then then how he performed in the choices he made. So it's pause here and here a message from our sponsor Americans for prosperity. Present trumps tax reform in red tape, reductions help. start our economy. By getting why she's an out of the way now tariffs are put Washington back in charge. Protectionist trade policies get politicians and bureaucrats the power to pick winners and losers and rigged the system against us to benefit the politically connect

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probably I think, the most radical transformation that has ever been proposed in a democratic society. I mean this is kind of thing it dictators, make these sort of changes and make them really actually happen. But the idea that we get in the net zero emissions in ten years, which is an enormous and expensive and unrealistic on enough proposition, but on top of We have guaranteed jobs for all sorts of people, including those unwilling to work. We're gonna have universal health here we have a living wage and change culture move away from corporate agriculture and go back to family farms and some phase out aeroplanes, whether we totally phasing out airplanes as the fact suggested from AOC's office or whether we're just gonna get the hydrogen planes sometime soon. It is absolutely correct.

And you have serious, supposedly viable democratic presidential. and its costs. But surely this is not a plan. It's not it's not a plan is not an approach, is not a manifesto certainly not a statute or an embryonic statute. It is two things at once. Firstly, it is a wish list. It is the the inchoate Santa Claus letter from a twenty eight year old who has never done anything in her life, something wrong by the way I haven't done anything you like most people at twenty eight haven't. I have not a chance to That's quite a lot. Rome with being a twenty eight year old, has never done anything and trying to reorder

the entire world and turn the most successful country in world history on its head. What Alexandria, Cosmical tears and her friends have done here is to write down on a piece of paper. All the things that they want, an answer by means limited to, or even dominantly related to the environment and we have single in that we have a minimum wage you now have also save regular these are the wages of intersection out? These are the this is the way in which, organizations on the left. Now talk transparent, had says in a net. Neutrality is female reproductive justice, because everything is everything is everything? So it's not a plan. It's not an approach is not coherent and anyway, it should really

be ignored, and not just because there were ideas such as abolishing aeroplanes and stopping cows. Fighting and oldest silliness at the whole thing is a joke there's nothing that exemplifies that joke more. I think, then, that the document is introduced with an appeal to urgency. It's an appeal to urgency that we hear a lot now from people like a Cosmical, but also from more experienced co sponsors safe at Marcie of Massachusetts, but also immediately rules out nuclear power, and I think when people do that when people say as a cause, Cortez has the earth will and the world will end in twelve years, but no nuclear power than they should be dismissed as cranks. But the second thing is internal pointed this out. This is more point than mine, but I think is absolutely right. The second point here is that it really is not

a plan in the way that countries with limited governments and constitutions adopt plans its not in year one. We will do this, and only this in year too, we will do that and only that in year, three, this agency will take a look at it. That agency will do this part Congress will find this what it is is in enabling act essentially want to cause. Your quarters wants, is full a majority within Congress. To say this is a big problem: do what ever you want to any given point with no tramline whatsoever to fix it. Will that is an appalling suggestion within a constitution or public it's a dangerous one as well, and I think it speaks to her immaturity The last thing I say is both of these problems have been made abundantly clear,

couple of days by the way in which the Democratic Party has freaked out at the suggestion that they might on the other, Russia, India and we are going to vote, had had had this had their party, or rather those within the party who have got behind, which is which is a lot of the parties, not all of them. Nancy policy dismissed it, but a lot of them upon it. Had the parties held an event in Washington and said this is where we want to go in the long run where this a white paper had this come out of Brookings fine, You say we're not ready, yet we want to build a movement we want is to think about this a little bit more. We want to bring in all the relevant parties. But in this is that a resolution, has been introduced into Congress today

turn around and say it is the height of pernicious behaviour. To ask us to vote on it is is what, firstly, its risible the. Secondly, I think it does indicate that either sponsors no did its political suicide or they were too serious about in the first place and Michael it's just if you just focus on the energy part of it and put the the rest which I think the extraneous measures according to brain riddles calculation, they probably add up to like forty trillion worth spend. Over ten years and then you get the environmental thing it's hard to calculate, but he thinks you could get to a hundred trillion altogether. But it's a ass, a version of the broken windows fallacy where they say we have this. Nor this amount of wealth were sitting on like recur, oil reserves, Morton Saudi Arabia, more than Russia. Ignore at all destroy every dependent on it and because we want a ploy, a bunch of people,

like something new we're gonna, be richer rather than poor justice. He smashed every window in in the country which kind what they want to do with upgrading. Every single building, an essay you're better off cause your hiring people to replace them yeah. It is astonishing, there's a there's a couple of things. I want to say about this one. It's interesting. we give cause you Cortez credit for a couple of things. One She understands that Democrats are hungry for big ideas that are on the left, right, that this summit, It's been floating around since the kind of burn, efficacy and of the Democratic Party in the twenty sixteen election, people want a big ideas. The left they didn't have any. She understood there was a hunger for them, and lots of people jumped to sign on so that was well understood good. What Democrats have not figured out yet? Is that

as talented as she is at social media hours. Sandra cause. Cortez is poison for mainstream democrats. She almost as much as Trump has helped destroy Elizabeth warring because it was a cause of court The social media skills that cause born answer movement roaring to go all I'm gonna, get me a by year. Eight. Now, in her perfect in truth, its acts? So this you know My wife, even in I was wondering asked me, was what is the greening the armed, I'm seeing lots of headlines about it and is it you know what their promise to get rid of all of our cars and cows, and she said I thought the Democrats just right. and on protecting Obamacare great advantages of the jump from

Nancy Policies, house campaign, which was masterfully done, was pull tested. You know, you know they did Paul testing to the degree and want to blue wave on simple traditional democratic party promises and Nancy Policy again showing hurt Her judgment dismisses this idea because is raising town. Yeah that somehow they managed to go from from Trump cut taxes for the rich, where pumpkins always did too. We want to stop cows from falling at. How do you do that? You like, if three months I think the way they talk about it's funny, because, because that line is something like we're: gonna destroy the modern world, but share the prosperity we gonna get you it's really starting. When we listen to those in four right there's this, oh, let's have a come to Jesus moment literally Let's start to start talking about Jesus and God, cuz values. Voters are important. Well then,

and twenty sixteen and the ideas were going to twenty are talking about working gonna make stuff. ninety dollars, a pound before eliminating it and giving you processed meat. And years to limiting carbon. That is its. I mean it's just I salute the case, though some people make for it for least proposing it. Is your shifting. The Overton window- and you need radicals, changing the conversation making eye in short, it has proposed a short of this. Looking practical by compares, will that's fine. But there's no excuse to roll out a completely incompetent version of it. Right I mean ITALY Stalin's five year plans, I think, have been meta, spell check book and an yeah ok. So there there's a there's, a political value to putting something out there. Make Ataturk, look like you know, a slob, and you know somebody who took multiple days off we

in terms of ambition, but the reality is that the Democrats still cannot focus themselves in the basic political economy of the code. And then you do in the presidency and the ways in which the policies they advocate Advocate effect that Donald Trump wants to build a wall. Do I think, the walls, a good allocation of funds in many respects, Is it a political symbol that indicates to people that they that he's committed to their issue? Yes, does it negatively affect the lives of people, whether its built or not? Realistically, know, every single thing in the green new deal is coming for a stable of people's lives. It is threatening their stable healthcare. It is threatening their diet is threatening the way they get to and from work every single day it promises to entirely not just up and but and

late. The lives people live today and the fact of the matter is is as much as theirs on we abroad in the world as much as there are abiding cultural problems in this country that are reflected in things like the opium addict epidemic, increasing rates of soup item yadda, yadda yadda, most p when I don't mean the yacht, a suicide that wasn't my point. Most people do not want to fundamentally up in their day to day existence What's so fascinating about this, is that the green new deal in currently the way he it alter the terms their existence by favouring the terms the existence of people that live in Brooklyn already right. Below them in Brooklyn already are used to their building being upgraded work, work work. They walked in some way to use public transportation right in this Why, in a way, this is, so dangerous for Democrats because their misreading, the Bernie thing they they, see Bernie as this move to the left, but Bernie,

such a move to the American Pass straight he's talking about tax rates from the Truman era. Right he's talking that's been done before been proposed before I mean in many ways he's going about amid century democrat agenda and people would derive gas guzzling land yachts and all had their own and that independence has relevance to people because he lives in Vermont and has relevance to people who don't live in Brooklyn and the cause you could has led to the left is a different one. It's alert to this more. limousine style arose and we haven't quite coin the term yet for its the bourgeois fluctuation of green politics, and there are a lot of similar limo anymore right always, I think she's also she's, also totally misunderstood what the projects that she likes to use its analogies dead and how they

seen so one of the things she has said- and this is growing as an analogy among her acolytes is well look at the Eisenhower. Interstate high a system or look at the moon landing or she didn't say this. But someone said this to me on line. Look at the canal building craze in Victoria, in England and and to a lesser extent, within the United States in the nineteenth century, but those were moving all those were adopting a new technologies that the railroads as well, that by the time it was finished, it was, of course, largely obsolete what she is proposing: is getting rid of a lot she's proposing going backwards. Hers is a fundamentally destructive mode. She wants to limit the use of cause. She wants to replace aeroplanes with trains she wants,

to limit people's capacity to eat. Meat is Corey Book. I said this is what he insists now that he doesn't want to stop people eating meat, but he's also said that if we don't eat less meat than the world will end, so you cannot square those two things. I agree with you too and that this is a limousine liberal idea, and I also agree that this would privilege people in Brooklyn, or at least it would hurt them the least. But what this is ultimately is classic lie. twin return to man before the full instincts they look at the modern world and they think that it is. It is impure that that it is artificial. There an element here of sort of Rousseau, Ian, remain sizing of the savage- and I think that she may not. She may not know this consciously, but she is pitching that return to nature, which

one reason, incidentally wider so against nuclear power, even though it would solve an awful lot of them? they say they want to sell. She is pitching that, who is the most forward. Looking technology loving materialist country that has ever existed in history here. That's why it's suicide! This is really where it. I think that agriculture stuff so telling and it hasn't gotten besides the cows- hasn't gotten the mockery of some of the other things like phasing out airplanes, but when they talk about family farms, I'm there I people growing and vegetables and stuff in their back yards her ears- you have is John, not. I want scale human farmers and I think another distinction they look, they talk about, they wanted position as a new deal, but also talk about where to mobilization- which I think is much more because the new deal lot of it was obviously misbegotten and coercive, but there's a lot of still with us for this kind of support to American, a middle class life were conceived, such whereas

where to mobilization you are inconveniencing people, you are reducing their standard of living in a higher cause. Eurasian ing them said that what so, when they speak about it, that's more apt. I think, than the new deal analogy. What the new deal

involved mass peacetime, mobilization and militarization of the culture, and I think it was somebody once said to me that you know the new deal was about turning american precious. We could turn Prussian to America, but as as Jonas Cover, article goes on extensively. The military metaphor drives a lot of this in terms of thinking. But what isn't there is the great instantiated villain? There's no Hitler here, there's just an ostensibly warming planet, that's going to kill us and if we don't need to go down the rabbit hole of the extent to which long derail climate projections are not science there. Just you know, weather forecasts done on mass right. It's not falsify able the range of variables at stake are highly selected. All of that aside, the point is that the politics of this are destructive, because the benefits are far in the future to take for granted that they can do. You know that

or government cannot set up an idiotic website to let you by health insurance can somehow, through you know, modern monetary theory, effectively tax and a perfect way to provide money supply that will solve this grant all of their premises. Let let's assume at all works right. The benefits are diffuse and therefore in the future and the pain points are immediate and they are discreet and their wide in there in their effect, which is to say the minute you impulse one of these policies unless you do away with elections your asses on the sidewalk at the next time. Everybody goes up. Mvd, ask a question to you on this one. Your best judgment is two years now. The green new deal will be the center of the democratic agenda or will be seen as a passing fad. It will be completely rewind rewritten, so I think the Do you think the green new deal as a brand

name for a brand of politics, will probably be with us in two years, into the center, but it'll be submitted. ITALY, rewritten in reconceive, jealous, I think, it'll, be a passing fad. Look sad some want to be like trying to sell a green square deal, but I think I agree with Michael. That it will be reworked, obviously, this is completely impractical and ruinous, but they really believe that were facing an existential threat and especially if a Democrat win they'll, be some sort of a green new deal from wins and as useless effectively against a candidate is endorsed it united. See the phrase anymore, but that will remain par there, and I believe it is really close to their corner. So before I move on, let's hear from our others sir. This week the natural you institute, please join the National Institute,

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dramatic snowy, seen their boom Island Minnesota. I guess and on a sucker for snow, so I actually listened to our announcement, but I sort scrawled through the video to see the snow and how much gathered on on her hair and My favorite Scott Brownie that amazing campaign when he shut the World Massachusetts, so my favorite scenes were when he was campaigning in the snow and needs neighborhoods with flags out on the on the front porch has. But what? What do you think of these? These two launches, while I thought that warns. I was eating lunch in a restaurant in DC before getting on a train and after worn had been talking for about ten minutes. Somebody came over and asked the bartender to switch over to a basketball game because nobody wanted to listen to it. You're not. You know the red. The deep red hard of Washington DC warns. The optics were great, but their selling something nobody's gonna work.

I think she's toast watching too cause I e the native american style funding and ate it. It's all in a combination she's, not their popular Massachusetts, she's, not a particularly skilled politician, she's, never taken a real punch before and frankly, like why'd. You want Elizabeth worn when you can have just the pure uncut stuff from the state North that Bernie selling right like it's there is, there is real Warren is amount there. She does have a base within the Democratic Party. I just don't think it's a very big one, and I I she will problem make it? I would, but I dont think she goes much further than that. I'm closures more interesting case. My cynical little boy, he wants to say that she's been pushing all of these stories about abusing her staff herself, so the baby boomers will alike her because she clearly wishes and tormented millennials, but you know I watch, the boom island event. I would have heeded the staff that events it did make her look tough. I think it's. I think it was impressive in that respect. Her

now it's meant announcement. Video, the video that she released before was awkward and stilted, and if she does in fact sweat the small stuff is all of these stories would suggest that will hurt her as a presidential candidate. I don't, I think that she's not probably gonna, live up to some of the hype and fear that Republicans had been found. about her beforehand, but certainly watching or stand there and the snow was impressive if nothing else where they might I thought there was a study in contrasts in that I do think Elizabeth WAR And more than most democratic candidates has a theory of why she wants to be president She would want to do is president and in a why you should vote for her and but, however, I agree with Luke that she's fundamentally unappealing has bizarre sky

does that make her look silly and stupid and and fundamentally grasping in a way that I think Trump would eventually. You know. at onto and destroy her over whereas closure seems to be running because everyone agrees. She should run because somehow she's electable but no one is, she has not told anyone why she should be President really and its other. the big mystery of her camp. I know I know which in my family members should in a will want to vote for many and why I know which my family members or a person I see in the mirror every day will vote for tools he gathered and why you know I know the rationale for those candidacies. I dont know why closures running because he's from the MID West is at it. You know

maybe that's enough. I mean in some ways like right. You could return to this idea of Bill Clinton, witches I'm from the right part of the country I am appealing in some vague way, generationally regionally and that's enough. We ve had too many republican victories for a presidency, so just vote for the electable. What I mean Clinton had get lucky right I mean he needed Jerry Brown getting late so that Song Cassandra's, hey get you didn't. You know brown getting in too late. Actually, when it himself so I'd and with all of these people running, it might be enough, but I just I agree with you: what is the club ashore base year? I write whether the hope for drivers hours at the base, as everyone else, and that the people who would invite all of the falling magazine purifiers, prove to be either stored or have at that point signed on to so many silly ideas

come on Harris said we're gonna, knock hundred eighty million people off the health insurance or seen us so while I professor light burning and so on, a sofa that she's sort of there, I think the risk for her is that she's Temple Anti and no one is quite sure why she's running that she's to marketing that there is a theory that I I dont like the implications off, because I'm a small our Republican, because I'm a legislative supremacist because

I think that are imperial presidency is causing damage, but that theory holds that really now we need rock stars in the White House, not what people want and Trump certainly conforms to that model. Obama arguably did his while she's not one. It's it's worth the miners and non trivial chance that, because the Democrats allocate all their delegate's proportionately and they ve gone, played the power of super delegates, at least on the first ballot, that what will happen is that we will have a broker democratic convention in the second or subsequent ballots. Were super delegates have other authority again, there will be picking from a say top four or five finishers who then, who denominate will be a better see more likely than ever. This by the way that be exciting. I don't hear like that would be. I think, I'll, be, I think, a brokered convention within siders deciding who to pick would be both river television, riveting political drama things would energize Democrats, even as it makes people disappointed

and would probably produce unelectable candidate unless the sighters are idiots which they might beat my has so Luke Cheats, lower turmoil apply whether these are beer track? Canada, Sir just kind of rust bout Midwest candidates, but if you who do you think would be this, August in that lane between Joe Biden, shared Brown and Amy closer so so It was shared Brown Zyobite, namely closer yeah. Well I mean I'm not equivalent promise this whole idea that they look at the rest, you not equivalent to promise, but look like there's a purely a widely right I mean, I think, birdies in Berlin, but if we imagine therefore gurney's in in a really strong position there, but let's leave him out. I by the numbers has to be the most formidable candidate in that lane. Ostensibly now, will he melt upon contact with candidacy as you

on every other tiny runs for president entirely possible. It's also entirely possible that years, as vice president were enough for him to get over. Some of the sort of issues they played in the past We won't know until he declares if he declares, but I'd say it has to be Biden, those three probably than brown. Second enclosure third said now. You ve incentivize, Michael to somehow fiddle with the promised moving again Tulsa Gabardine, none ersatz lies how widely wine lying brown closure. You don't drink. You know beer on the beach and why. I think I agree with Luke. Fed Biden is the most for me. The bowling that from name recognition to just people feeling. warmly about him. There's a warm this two former vice presidents that I'm dying quail that just exists in american politics dictator, a power, Dick Cheney.

Here I warmed up to him since he's gone better, yet Income or I'll go, I'm not show that binds the strongest I'm not sure how strong the beer track. I think you have to be. Some else. His armor Hilary dough for that vote late and the two thousand a primary, and it got her nowhere when it even created backlash that she paid for eighty eight years later, I can remember the West Virginia primary comment about hardworking Americans white Americans, and I mean I think, that's that's she paid for that during the general election, even in twenty six to IRAN Austria has a great piece of Sienna Unjust, arguing that the beer track cut a moderate working class Democrats is not enough for the many more not less than what you can do it. If you add african Americans are some substantial

wash another african American Adobe, but they're not offer them otherwise Charlie Biden Brown closer. I could see closure being the most the most formidable because she's, not greatly known, which is often an advantage. I still think there is a sizeable contingent of american voters that would like to see a woman president and she doesn't have the baggage that Hilary. has. This doesn't have any more scandal in her in her pocket and she does seem to be like a ball. Will presumably be running against Donald Trump Nothing. I think she's gonna be the nominee. I don't know saying I think she's gonna be president, but I could see

see her being the full back candidate that looks into the right year and makes it into the white now citing ebbed preconditions and agree with Michael look. Basically, adding Biden you'd have to radiant most from I I of think he's gonna get worn down by the process. I don't think he's that sure footed and I think you set your foot when he was more tuned with the party that he is now you know, and this kind of woke hysteria- that's gripped the Democrats. I don't think these that's gonna play well. Am, I think, shared Brown has the right idea. I think he'd denominate him, you, u win back the upper Midwest he's not endorsed in either the Sanders Medicare for all. He hasn't endorsed the Green new deal and club, which are I just I'm a very doubtful whether she really has the political talent and the. Why I have a certain level doubt about

all these three candidates is to Charles question. I think the answer is you do need a rock star. You know that's what our presidents are now and think crowd. Size has been put every bit planetary, an analysis aside, crowd size has been determined M of the strongest nominees we're gonna be with the Obama in Await and with Trump in sixteen So whoever can light people up has a really good chance of of winning, and I don't think it's prob, gonna, be either this three, but still why Michael, I have not given up on better I agree. I agree. I think I'm warming up to this too, is but I'm that he's too wine track now that you know how Does he go down? How does he play in when you swing through the south, and you have to essentially

go through a phalanx of pastors of historic, churches in, and do a lot of work to do a lot of that in Texas needed it. He did a game job. I think the other thing you gotta remember is like they turned out on mass for John Joseph, he's a much better. Job like there is that there is a subset of young white liberals who love given him money and love shown up. Volunteering form size huh you have shirt shared and my Jim and the upper West side. Yesterday like it's, I think he can still be formidable these, like weird wandering diaries art helping him but yeah. If he gets in, he is the only person out their other than Biden, whose announcement assuming Bernice effectively already and would change the guy While I love her supposedly agonising over whether to get an oar noddies in this existential font, Greece, driving throughout South West aimlessly,

and then he's memorize. This this campaign speech shows up and gives to new seven thousand people or whatever it was in El Paso. So before we move on. Let me briefly share with people plug for an hour, plus the digital subscription service national view dot com. We have more than fifteen thousand people who signed up for and our plus programme has been growing by. Leaps and bounds. We hope you will join it if you do get all sorts of benefit to get access to overcome. and the print magazine, content and web exclusive content that is running, hide our metered pay wall. You get almost entirely ad free Sperience no distracting adds up and running in articles and keep you from from having a smooth the unpleasant experience. Reading the content you come here too. We do you get to comment on website which is explicit, privilege of and our plus member as yet be part of a private facebook group.

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and of a joy to see him do some work and I think the producers and writers We made very savvy decisions about how to add to the mythology of this, after it's almost like a comic book character like a bad man, aura a spider man now in which new creed. can come onto the scene and add little details, change the way you view events in the previous in the previous series, just fun, Charlie, even focused on water cables and victorian era, ice I went down a rather high started reading, something about them Victoria Engineering, and am I found some reference to the all red line, which was the series of underground

underwater telegram lines that the british government put in place during the victorian era to aid communication throughout the empire, and it really is the most extraordinary story. The british both because they were worried about a war and therefore worried their lines being cut also because they were worried, that there would be in revolution in one of their colonial outposts, and then we have to move troops quickly, enough laid telegram, wires, cables under the ocean, but in an entirely proprietor coral way and in a way that, by the end of the project meant that the british government didn't have to rely on any one else, except the british government that they laid cables from London to Canada from

London to South Africa, from South Africa to Australia, New Zealand, they added India, they they bypassed f we single other nation, so that if there was a conflict that no one could copies cables, but also so that in areas of the world that were deemed unstable, any force com, in and taking a city or- Smaller islands in the West Indies would be unable to use their system, and this was this was pretty much completed by nineteen hundred and I think this is a feat of engineering and vision and strategy. This is sir. This is a store that probably needs to be told, and I can't find a definitive book on it roused looking to see if I could find a book on it. There isn't one I've just been going through

various academic papers and engineering, blogs and references that you find from Wikipedia that lead you to another website and saw this hidden. all red line was sir, was my little obsession this week, impressive, look. You have new kitten in your man enough to talk about it. so I have exactly the number of cats that my landlord thinks I have and no more do you have to report. Yes and we lost one of our cats at the beginning of the year and his his brother was taking it very hard, and so we got a kitten today and with named Winston he's very acute and were pretty exciting. Concur. relations, so I've been amuse of last week or so truly do you know this parity account but to tighten

The girl I do, I don't know who it is. But I know if action is british, supposedly woke, feminist and. it very amusing and occasionally force people. She had some ridiculous tweet about some controversy and actual host from one american NEWS like reached out to for an interview, and she replied back, of course lies. But I have some requirements. I must have full editorial control. I do not wish to interact with any males, Allow me at least ten minutes before my groundbreaking, Inter sectoral, feminist slam, poetry, if you can do this, we'll talk terms, so at that time for editors picks, Luke. What's your pic jury, Hendricks wrote a really fun peace and laying out the case for space horse. It's also quite smart, I'm not in total, I'm not totally persuaded that we should have a space force as awesome as it would be. But this pretty good argument for it, MIKE what you're back in the last issue of national View, Kyle Smith looks at a new film

never look away. It is by flooring, Henkle landowners Mark who was the writer director of the lives of others. A deck ago- and this is another movie that looks at Germany during the old war. Thomas Mark owns this subject, along with a polish filmmaker. Who also is another great called, were found out this year, called old war and it just were finally getting greet cold war, error movies from Central Europe in a way that wasn't possible. Twenty years ago, fifteen years ago, or maybe even ten years ago. How can you laugh at interest in cold were movies from Central Europe. When you just went on for five minutes, underwater capable of in the victorian era now without either was something about the way it was Florin Henkel than did not arrive at this image of modern Monti. Pipe and sketch were jointly says, not floor in hand

Fundamentally, I was it was out of the water. I wasn't laughing at you or with you. I was laughing at the name. So what's your picture my pick Michael, I want to say that to make up my mind, sidelights backing and its Michael's column on taxicab out, I'm not a toast Go about fan why dont show Michael's affection for her. Let's put it that way. and I also don't really agree with what he wrote. The peace because I'm not I'm not, as our group is no but but the thing is, I think it was an important piece of artillery why, for two reasons? Firstly, because it is clear that she's not going to get a fair shake and it is good to hear and read- somebody who is interested in her ideas and who isn't every two lines trying to make sure that she's disqualified before she started. I think just in the interests of fairness, but the other reason is. This Michael makes. The point that, if you have

as we do, a military that is committed abroad in many many places without the citizenry, knowing about it, or at least without it being a feature of our daily politics, you do need people, even if I don't think she's president. You do need people who can stand up and say tell them we didn't vote for this. We have really had a debate about this. What why are people dying in countries, Far far away countries I haven't been mentioned in Congress for the last year, let alone then the subjective debates, and I think that those people play an important role in our society, even if they're not gonna, make it to the White House and as such Michael's peace and thought it was my pig is a serious Jim Garret has been doing on twenty things. You didn't know about democratic candidates which are a lot of fun and informative, but the Lakota here, Michael so far as Charlie, has not assigned Jim tossing Gabert. so when you get it- and maybe you want to do it,

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