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giving us a glowing five star review on Itunes. If you don't like what you here, please forget, said anything Jim a recording early Tuesday afternoon a couple hours before Joe binds historic speech down. In Georgia inveighing against all these change. is to voting laws across republican states that supposedly have created an existential crisis in our democracy that necessitate knee capping the filibuster the Senate and pass on these two democratic voting bills when you make of it well, rich. Indeed, it is historic. I got a double check the record, but I believe this is the first time the press- you in U S history, the present United States has gone to a state and called for a federal take over of all local elections and voting laws after that states

Diversity has won the National Football Championship, that's a huge deal and that problems with Bush Georgians are thinking of this morning, assuming their even awake at this hour, I assume is a good chance. They may have partied world tonight, maybe there. Over. So if whereby busy, these remarks. Nobody seems like a word, sunglasses, they're, gonna, groggy, adults, irresponsive, it's because of the game last night. It's not because this particular speech of button is any worse than that. Usually it's this. This really feels like added. This illustration is dropping the ball en route. Big trouble on a whole bunch of France Bill back better doesnt. Would let's go to the Senate. The entire strategy seems to be well, maybe That's a change his mind that your mentions is now about what will happen. But on the crime later this podcast, but you know everybody, the brothers got sick and this is causing all kinds of red problems throughout the country.

Not necessarily lots people dying, but just the question is how many people can be out. Second, while you're and studied the country running, I wrote this morning: job spider in crisis, I notice, if you go to the store there is anything on the shelves of inflation is got any better, were desperately trying to keep Russia from Ukraine and oh, by the way I began, stand his adding the biggest humanitarian crisis, perhaps in human history so, if you present I'd stay till you ve got nothing to point to as a success story right now. What do you do? will you put all your eggs into that to back the best well. We really need to democracy is at stake. and one of the more ass an eye. We ve got a couple of parts of the president's speech released ahead of time. One of them yeah. This is democracy versus autocracy. Now

Republic has had a majority, I'd love to filibuster, vandals gnawing. Yet you got more than fifty votes. You dont have sixty you're kind of annoying to take us something enacted, but it's not talk receive. The focus has been around a lot of this. Isn't Vladimir Putin, this isn't she picked. This isn't Kim Jong, it is an annoyance it bothers, you could argue over. The centre should have this rule, I think, is pretty clear. Everybody in Washington loves to filibuster within the minority, and even though the majority of jobs is a Jim Crow relic that is destroying about this. The president was failing. Unhomelike estate affronts these desperately looking for some other way change subjected evokes as agreed, not comply failing right. Now, though, he has yet to get Stacy aprons. To short for speech, we condemn, naming I think, tells me she's. Just not voting rights are not her thing right now to bring us closer says, and this is just they want to

Georgia and to the poster child of voters. Suppression, not an apt, placed it to go This case majority has had no excuse, Epstein voting the last fifteen years widely available. Early voting for last dozen years started with automatic voter registration in twenty. Sixteen in and the league of what women voters actually complaint a year so ago that they they basically had to shut down their voter registration efforts, causes One left a register. Who's lose unregistered, enjoy, now, you ve been tweaks too to these rules in the wake of twenty twenty election, but Nothing that's going to fundamentally change them, but they wanted I just pretend game that it's in a Mississippi or Georgia, Circa, one thousand nine hundred and sixty two yeah. I think Democrats have this idea that, because Stacy Abrams for food to concede that race and governors a couple years and tried to pretend that somehow

he had been robbed because there was a failure of getting people to the pause, let alone that their record numbers of people turning out not election there. a prominent democrats. You won't say that she actually lost intellectual, including she herself. What makes it so hilarious that she's not even going to be about with binding today, but I think demo after seized on this concept of Georgia as being bad foreboding restless this really in India particular instance they're using it as the latest manufactured crisis that they can pretend their solving and Jim already did a good listing all the many ways in which Biden has failed over the last year. In the things both in the administration, controlling not and things both in the control of Senate Democrats are not like us, what's in Congress and not about ITALY by every metric Democrat. We're having a very rough year, they have succeeded, Basically, nothing by administration is failing. Around covered is running rampant in think their solution thus far has been to manufacture crises that they can then present government as the solution. For that.

Where the most comfortable, the answer is always more government out become more involved. I will do more for you please like me, because I'm going to fix everything and, if in point of your efforts to fix the actual problems, aren't working, you have to invent crises, You can then say you have the solution for and if you happen to already want to pass a really bad voting rights bill. That is unnecessary. You have to manufacture crisis too, and that is necessary, and then you can tell her That this is the only solution and if we don't do it in fact, for going to lose our democracy, it cynical and I think it it's kind of a last ditch effort from a party in Nepal. There is really no idea what else to do yeah this risk Missus Jarley will go away in some time next week. After this whole effort, color, Susan, ignore me and go on, like you know, nothings change in the country or or this this crisis, Perhaps it might be a little bit of TED crew, saying when shut down? The governments? Try defined Obama carefully. If you don T find it now we have to just give up. You know it

Oliver, actually maybe unwrapping right about that, because they never did upon the care. But of course, when the shutdown didn't work is I'm so ten crews. stopped caring about Obamacare, stop saying we should defend it and roll it back. so binds get it create a lot right, allied rhetorical checks that he's not gonna wanna cash this afternoon when he says you know it is personally acquainted ants tax can I say that this is this is a pivot upon which all the american history is going to turn what happens next couple days. I think, on the specifics.

This is a peculiar choice because, as you say, there is no crisis here and more to the point. Americans don't believe that there is a crisis here and they will be hard pressed to come to believe that there is a crisis here. Turbines party has full control of Washington. It's odd from that position to say we have a problem with voting Joe Biden. saved. Eighty three million votes for president is turning around telling the people who voted to men

want allowed to vote. It doesn't make a great deal of sense, but I think it is of a piece with the bad decisions that Joe Biden has made since he became president. I think in the future political scientists will use the Biden presidency as a good example of what not to do. There was in today's New York Times a quote from Martin Luther King, the third and Martin Luther king. The third says we ve seen what's possible when present

bite and uses the full weight of his office to deliver for bridges as a reference to the buyer, partisan, infrastructure bell, and now we need to see him do the same for voting rights, but this is wrong. This is backwards. In fact, President Biden did not get the bipartisan infrastructure bill past. The sand President Biden signed the bipartisan infrastructure bill. Any take note ahead of time that he wanted it. But the reason the Senate passed with sixty nine votes. The bipartisan infrastructure bell was that the ideas contained within it was sufficiently popular to attract enough Republicans,

you get to sixty votes. What we have seen when President Biden uses the full weight of his office to quote Martin Luther king. The third is it it doesnt work unless republicans are predisposed to help. President Biden try to use the full weight of his office to jam through his bill by better agenda and it failed. He didn't convince a single Republican and he couldn't convince Every member of his party termination killed it, and that is what's going to happen with this voting rights. Push as well, because, irrespective of their view of the underlying bills. Cinema seems to favour all of them. Mention is proposed for the people. I been in favour of the rest

on the merits, neither Cinema nor mansion, are interested in abolishing the filibuster, which is what we have to happen to get. Those pills through such a Biden can use the full weight of his office if he likes, but it's not going to make a difference, but, of course using the full weight of your office, come without it, an opportunity cost, and so what we have seen now is the president focusing hard on bills that he can't get through at the expense of other agenda items. He focused harder baby. He spent a huge amount of work go capital on it and he got nothing he's going to elevate this voting rights purse and then fail publicly. That is a mistake.

Now I understand people will say while voting rights are very important, but we are also told climates very important, Republicans believe things are important to, irrespective of the relative importance of a given area. It is a political mistake to charge full steam ahead, repeat, Thirdly, in pursuit of agenda items that you know ahead of time, you can't get em. We ought not to kill We know ahead of time. This isn't happening because every news report on it, including sympathetic news report, acknowledges In fact, the Senate has already moved on board into political access any times and the rest we already looking potentially at a reform of the electoral contact that has bipartisan support senators from

parties are working. It is so strange to see Biden believe with a fifty fifty Senate, a tiny house majority and not much support in that. that he can just bludgeon his way into these grand schemes, when everyone around him is aware that account so Jim. What what you read out what's yours doing Eric as it might be very much. We might check that the sum Friday of the the cost around the end of the year, I'm b, B B,

Could I didn't have the votes? We said we would have a vote by the end of the year that the absolute deadlines, the end of the year, trying to force something he didn't have and just never happened. Obviously and there's doesn't seem to be any plan or pass beginning. Fifty votes on changes to the filibuster mentioned has cities is open. Europe perhaps changes like implementing that the talking filibuster again, but he says he wants to do that through the usual process, which will require sixty seven. Both jobs is gonna, be there. Cinema then quite adamant. She doesnt favour changing, fell buster, although she favours the underlying bills for the come sensible reason that Democrats, beginning January twenty twenty five, it might be in the losing end of all the elected branches washed and again and eliminate filibuster. Republicans can just undue all this, and you know how strict border idee laws were for all the country, based on the president of what the Democrats, who try to do what you read on

the player so for a while I been thinking, are you know, trucks, rumours afraid of a primary challenge. His word about she's, worried about Algeria, Cassio Court, as deciding a lobbyist senator deciding to give him a high profile challenge, and I think you know, but we're we're getting to the point where, if out of your customer who court has wanted to do that, you have to make them. moves in direction. She seems pretty happy being be social media celebrity that are largely everybody in Washington wants to do you know. Bangs wants to get with me. That. You pause looking for a euphemism and ended up with a bang. Yes, that was the best possible regular by the wages. It turns out covered nine you want to sleep with her the whole time? That's why good getting affected. But I just do not want river. so I guess I dont think I think the risk of a primary challenge to humor,

eroding. I now wonder if you know the counters changed its two twenty two. It's not quite crunch time about the twenty twenty mid term but you ve, now used up one year of a two year cycle to get stuck down and look nothing has changed. It looks like it's gonna be a really good year for Republicans probably would back the house these issues, winning back the Senate. When it's fifty fifty probably get us, some are dynamics and governors, races and statements led races. So, if you're either the Democrats right now you're up and are basically red, wave or red synoptic I'd, really bad questions how bad what, if your progressive grass roots democratic base, deal this here at the beginning. I can even less to pass judgement about in the sense that the question is, you can look like you're fighting hard for the stuff, the progressive grassroots want, or you could try to do more staff I've infrastructure bill bipartisan stop, but that will probably not excite your base and will probably see it. As you know, why is Dubai?

in trying to make my Portman happy. You know the kind of you know the aggressive rest, grassroots, what are I don't want you to stay up. If I thought so, maybe Schumer's decided between now and November. The best thing Senate Democrats could do to stop the bleeding of what's gonna, be a very rough bitter, is the look like their fighting for the priorities of progressive grassroots? I don't think that's a great strategy but I do remember watching chucks humor at an event at the twenty. Sixteen democratic that never convention in Philadelphia and absolutely insisting that for every rural white voter that whatever Trump Democrats, we're gonna get two votes in the suburbs voting for Hillary Clinton, and we all remember how that calculation worked up yeah, it's crazy to thank you, have did try to placate placated these by least showing you you're, giving us a college try. But you have democratic of so called voting group civil rights groups boycotting the present,

speech this afternoon because they say they want action and the other they they're, not gonna, get action and what the consumer and doing is having yet another episode we're Biden looks week in ineffectual and I think the play for that the party that the best chance they had to do have to take some of the edge off what's coming in November is just try something somehow to get mine's approval rating up at an end, and that means a succeeding. stop I'm. He should be leading the effort on reforming the electoral count. Rather than doing this, you know, and then you have at the press conference when you succeeded in passing. If you do with this any ceremony with Mitt Romney in and the rest of them do do that. I mean that that's the best play in and try to get. You approve any up a couple of points which might save some seats here or there Zan exit question to you.

If Jack tumor actually goes through with a vote to end the filibuster, will he get forty eight votes more or less for the change until that less tiger you'll get less? There was a good political peace on the remaining hauled out. At the very least, I think my colleagues is going to have to decline to acquiesce if he wants to be re elected November. Jim last, the yeah I also say last may be just One last another way this exercise makes no sense, why are you going to drag your relatively moderate members who have tough elections coming up through an entirely symbolic vote. That's not going anywhere and if, if humor

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in a positive way. She was completely miss. informed on key questions related to cover sang infamously that there are a hundred children hundreds children. Covered in the hospitals at the moment she referred covered as it, for some reason, is a blood borne virus. So It's your theory on how a springboard justice you don't have a lot to do, except for concern herself with facts in our backs are very important for judges. How can you be so wholly misinformed on such subjects? important public matter. I hate to be the one to have two tactless, because I know from my many years and now some of you now that Charlie is probably our foremost Sonia Cinema. Our expert I'd say some of the things that I think you would say is that if this were his topic, other things

I've heard him say I think she's vastly under qualified to be on the Supreme Court. I don't know if it's, I guess it's partly her intellect, but I think it's partly preparation. Evidently, her staff is plain, little role in what she says during our arguments, because, presumably no one clicking on the Supreme Court is actually telling just the sort of my or that there are a hundred thousand children in serious condition or whatever other nonsense she cooked up. This is she just says off a calf, and I I dont really, listen to our arguments, but I did listen to the arguments in the abortion case last month and dogs and she was dressed leagues behind everybody else. her ability to ask questions and that the commons, the factual, bring you, an historic information she was presenting. Much of it was just wrong at let alone you shouldn't be presenting facts and all right. You should be asking legal questions, presumably about the legal issues at stake in the case not making a case of her own

and she does, she is wrong. She doesn't have the facts on her side. She doesn't appear to really be trying or able to succeed if she is making an effort to get the facts right. The trail what did you make other arguments on the merits? There are two mandates here issue one, is this OSHA mandate a fine to employers, more than a hundred employees all round the country free and another, that's it. a little more narrowly tailored. Haven't you do with them Medicare and medics Lord? What what did you make of illegal logging, sir. I would to this in two stages. If I may, the first is to say that I profoundly disagree with many of the Supreme Court's present that apply in this area and as such believed that they should be the original meaning of the constitution were observed. A simple case

oh sure, is unconstitutional. I think that the federal government does not and cannot have the power to issue these mandates, emergency or no emergency. I think that Congress is unable to delegate this much power to the executive branch and I think that the rules are statutory. Construction should make it clear that these aid it saw outside of whatever mandate. Osha has now. That, of course, is somewhat irrelevant, given that we do have a host of precedents that occur to the federal government expansive powers over industry, commerce, and at least for now allow Congress to empower the executive branch to use

at its own rules, often in ways that, in my view, conflict with strategy text within exist, in precedent that is within the world ass. It is, I think, that the oh sure, mandate is flatly illegal. The only reason similar precedent. We have is from the early eighties, when OSHA trade in an emergency environment to regulate asbestos and was struck down by decidedly non conservative non original list, cod. If OSHA is not allowed to regulate asbestos, it certainly not allowed to regulate infectious diseases. Infectious diseases that

one could catch anywhere that are not specific to the workplace. There was a point in the oral arguments were justice autumn. I asked what what's the difference.

spit tween, a machine that disputing sparks and a human who is sparing germs. And, of course, the differences at one of them is intrinsic to the workplace. The other is not. Osha has not been permitted to regulate anything that might hurt a person at any point in the workplace, can't regulate cars because people drive to work. You can't regulate covered because people might have it at work, and I think that's going to be the core of this case. Oh sure, is in essence usurping power. It is taking power that it hasn't been given and running with it. The second case, I think, is far more tricky in that whether or not they should be

case the legal precedents in the United States off friendly toward the idea that if the government provides a person with money or with the service, it can attach strings to that politically. I think that is a good argument against socialized medicine, as somebody who grew up under the National Health service. I am well aware of what happens when you hand over your healthcare system to the state, the states as well. If we are paying for for your health care than we have some right to tell you how to live, to lecture you to restrict your liberty, but that's a political question: it's not illegal one and I think that the argument Justice Kagan made that if the government

is sending out checks that if the government is. facilitating health care. Then it can set. Certain rules is much more likely to prevail than oceans argument, which is to do With federal police regulation of private industry, so I would be surprised, eyes if the OSHA rule stood up, I think that the bite and administration- has made an already difficult case, more difficult for itself, run. Claim, for example, retreating people saying that this was an This work around of the law by then,

declaring an emergency and then waiting six weeks to put the language into the proposed rule. Where is the the second question the at the medical question? It is likely to be upheld, So Jim, what do you make of in a later Kagan style? Defence of the ocean? Rule? Hey look, you know, is if you're working, squatters eight hours a day with with other people, you're gonna be at risk of getting a virus, so just make sense that you would have this agency concern workplace safety, regulating to try to minimize that risk. You're, always gonna, habit of time, arguing. Look. We ve never had this kind of authority before and actually look at the history of these sorts of dramatic expansions of occupational safety hazardous.

Listen rule making authority generally they tend to lose the tickly if they skipped through the public common period and make other steps, if they ve done with this one. But I play. The other factors that omicron makes all of the stuff gonna move anyway, because the whole First of all, the entire concept of the vaccine. It is that somehow, beyond backdated, are a risk to the vaccinated. What's: nobody works because of your vaccinated. You are more protected against the virus. The unregulated personnel backslide person when it should be worrying, not you back needed person but nonetheless dates from the very beginning. The idea of this that the binding ministration is basically decided over here treat the unlocks needed in the vaccinated as if there were nine days of a completely different as if their worlds apart when it comes to the risk of spreading virus now you can make it our use of the earlier variance. It was less at evident the desperate. I think it's pretty clear, Yoda beyond the current number is lots of people who are fully

in some cases, even boasted are getting the are getting catching on from Paypal. It's pretty much thankfully it but a milder buried, and if your boosted and if your vaccinated you're gonna have a bit, It's gonna be milder. It's not an effect is much. You can recover faster on the faster. to settle the Bronx. What are these you know, tubes around between your lungs intervene, fight, Let me hear exhale a lot more, which meet, which is one which is one thing that makes it more contagious, but it doesn't it reproduces quickly, the the so you a better chance of fighting that that done infection, or so if there was a really big difference between the vaccinated and vaccinated Maybe you could make this argument, but now that we're the middle this. This is why were everybody's. Getting it with their backs. Deodorant backs needed with the distinction is much less than economics. Is this all rule contemporary just by anyone? can't we talk about earlier by probably no binding having all these problems all these other fronts, so he picks up the fight. That looks easiest

I think on some level by decided, while I'm in a demonize, Yon Baxter, oh by the way then vaccinated are down to like thirteen fourteen percent american adults dont be fooled into thinking, relax people over the other thirteen or fourteen percent Some chunk of them had and battered leather. Other basis. I look. I've had a virus before it is at the single saint is thirteen fought for. so you haven't had at least one shot, correct so you know they're not fully backed up by attitudes. If you get the one shot is a good chance sooner or later you'll. Remember! Oh, yes was to get the second shot. I am specifically boosted and asked if that's always been the measurement. I've found If you ve got at least one shot, you're, not an Anti Baxter back. I think that's a pretty safe, burger precision, then what are you out of this up here? I ve always felt like the vaccine mandate for counter productive. I always felt like you do this sort of

and you get people to dig in your heels governments get thirty in this area is very sketchy ah, but I think that at the bottom is written, just saw this as a good fight, because they could use the other fascinated as a scapegoat, because, lo and behold the true that these vaccines glad we haven't the girl, you're not gonna, die the clearly an opera infection. Clearly, Oppermint transmission and yeah, what's like we're, probably be boosters, help us out of the six months, but clearly the effect the waves after a while, and that's not really. We were told that these first, these things as excise would have been more like a solution that game I take on more than the seasonal basis. If you want it, keep up, but I never understood that the talking point which there still you hewing to any binding set up here today, that the vaccinated were some great threat to the the the unsightly and taxpayers some great threat to the vaccinated and protect. You can get back snedecker because they're not gonna, get very sick and they may be.

you know at the outset, people saying you're, not gonna get vector law, our and actually people gonna threaten you afraid beyond. Actually people threat to themselves- and they create more risk of having a severe ill but then back to the Supreme Court exit question. She knew well the Supreme Court. The double barrelled one will shrink courts strike down OSHA mandate yes or no and will strike down the ages gas mandate, Medicare Medicaid mandate yesterday, I suspect, They will strike down both, although I'm always primed, to be disappointed, even when I think, there's a good chance of her the outcome I want, but I would say, probably slightly more likely to strike down both

the troll yes Nostra Down, OSHA, no on the Edwin Grant to marry. I concur drawing I'm with Charlie and I think the problem divide up them. The Medicare met Medicaid, wanted that one's complex and has a lot of moving parts. So, sir, I think that there are aspects of them they might strike down. By not Tibetan Hall, but there definitely osiers death. My guy edited the case. Browser is just totally ridiculous. Without its power, the media quick and our plus plug, did your subscription service at national view die. Calm, your way to get around our pay which is increasingly extensive and annoying if you're not signed up to our plus, so just sign up bird and our fast it. If you sign up and log on you don't see birthright near the ads that we might be ten percent of the quota. you're you're, saying now, sir, really pressure a whole new reader experienced you get to comment on one person articles if that

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The days I will resist this latest waiver of covered is is creating a lot of work for graphics types. Could he have have all these grass literally just that they have lies going off. The trappers euro entered the case, growth Washington in these and A city and other places in the worth east aspirations. And ass, having caught up what's up day They don't ever while not the same ratio, and it seems likely but their effects year, others polling that that shares as into social distancing, ends scared of interacting with him. Then they been in a very long time, perhaps instead at the outset of the pandemic Jim referred earlier to his job this morning, which has to do with these supply, disrupt

Since some of its ongoing supply chain problems, some of it is your absent workers, and things related directly related to the effects of the slaves wave. Given what we know all mccrone, I welcome, and I think that this is a positive development. The ultimate positive development, of course, would have been for curve it never too dark and our doors, but given that it did, what you want is a fool

love, their disease that shows up a long while, after everyone who wants to have the chance to get vaccinated proves relatively mild, does not cause a significant spike in hospitalizations or death and spread like wildfire with his how pandemics tend to end, or at least transition an demagogues? If you well everyone? I now has it. I've won. I now hear North Florida has the doors had it all suspects. They have it one. I know the northeast. Has it I wanna know in England, has it has had it. I understand why people are taking precautions, but there is a case to be made.

They really should be doing is all going out looking each other, so we can get this over with. I hope that this is a cause ultimately for celebration. I saw some polling suggesting people are more worried now about escaping covert in its effects, both medical and otherwise than they have been for a while. it's happened this this I'm chuckling possess. This is a classic from me. The old adage royal meetings, when, when, when I was heading editorial means for energy people say things and then Charlie immediately would repeat at not having listened, say, I miss that. I mentioned this in a question. I think the polling yeah, it's a lot of you. I hope that some people say that Babe, you don't need worry about it. I shouldn't interrupted

and always and enjoyed the boy. Some people say they escaped whenever going to exit covered, but we are and I think the only way now is through. There was a last summer where people began to write essays, saying legit rip. This was made a little more. difficult by the arrival of doubter, but it is not difficult to imagine letting rip with on the crown and within reason that is I hope we will do yes, so then, The point that I mentioned and try mentioned as well as making out as someone who who's gonna. You know it's is now I'm I'm. what's a friends over what why why are we holding holding back? and you know when, when people around me started getting at, I still

I want to get it, but in a part of me is wondering. Wealth is really that mild, maybe it's better to and regardless of my calculations, one or that I got it and its chair, he says. I think this is the experience of of every one you know for a year and a half there be some some person I heard of o this this person has covered his net terrible, you know, and now it's almost an exception. I guess you haven't gotten it yet we see I'm. Let us know so you you're what Few people, I know who hasn't had it yeah It is hard to get test around your site, developments on very good or other time or two and not been able to get test. Its amazingly, very careful trips to Pittsburgh, as you say, to your wild livestock farmer who all these questions are just geared to come back to somehow making fun of me, but in any way I very woman without it and not- I don't know for sure, but a year. I think it's. This is definitely blessing. Us Charlie said this.

This is going around so rapidly and pretty much everybody I now has it has had in the last couple months. States I assume I I know I believe and exposed to it, and I think it's it's a good thing right, because it you feel so defensive. You had to vouch for release having that had been expelled. That's why I want to be in the club: do around them, Mcgovern Libretto, I'm sure I probably have had it honestly at this point it hard to imagine that anybody, I remember it no wild back people are saying everyone's eventually went, get this rain. That sounded like a very ominous thing at a certain point, certainly before the vaccine, but even there after Delta, seemed like a much more severe infection, especially from vaccinated people, still seemed like a serious problem, but this this variant it is not as serious as others, and so I think, give everybody gets covered most people around. And we all come out on the other side, basically having had either a bad, cold or mild flew. Suddenly people are saying hey, maybe discussion he's right or maybe kids shouldn't be and asks or

a running notice. A lot of people have been saying really ridiculous things about the covered policies. They favour for two years now, starting to say stuff that conservatives have been saying for at least a year about how we have to rethink summit policies and learn to live with covert as an endemic diseases rather than the constant pandemic. I think in that sense it is a very good thing that this has happened Did you see the pulling up was someone listening to this entire conversation. I'm getting it getting the neck. The time I actually was listening, not listening. I was listening. I just ass man. The polling should have said ass, rich mention so. I would be slightly less cheerful about things then Charlie Lucky broadly, We can right if you're gonna have a super duper contagious version of the virus, all the promised prob

They pretty close to what you'd want. As I mentioned earlier, it doesnt really get into your lungs is much it's less likely to kill you people when people are less likely end up in the hospital and people who end up in the hospital spend less time there. They have quicker recovery All things considered, a milder virus is really good. It's the problems, thing being so. Super duper contagious means that it's got a better chance of reaching the people who are vulnerable. but who are on vaccinated, who are elderly a compromise. They got one or more more abilities and their couple studies at a beastly said there, sir. I think for years, we're gonna now a heart. If you have this gene covenant, he's gonna ruin area, but if you have these genes, you're gonna have to battle. Was one study over the UK the best they suggested the Indians Army native Americans, I mean over India, are more likely to have a severe

reaction to that may explain why delta atoms are near. That may have told the guy's a story alone when my late mom had it, she did not dive covered it, but she is very frail and aided and just classic laudable person, and it didn't the doctrine ass, like ass, not affecting her at all. There must be a genetic element. This is like a year happier there, so you ve ever done for Europe, as I mentioned only thirty to forty percent of U S, adults are vaccinated, unfortunately, something the Burma have those risk factors and when they get all the crown either of mild it still gonna give him a serious infectious disease. Chancellor gonna end up in the hospital there's a chance are gonna, pull through right now, in your times numbers your cases. The last two weeks are up two three percent There are two weeks ago, it always smokes. You know where we day we had a hot, with more than a million cases reported

in my the right off the holidays and do yours, I might have been one of those holiday bumps or something we're averaging seven. Thirty, seven thousand and all by the way, not everybody wasn't at home. Tat you know goes down, sees the blew up. The pink line as well as the blue line is gonna report does not present, so we ve got more cases than these official numbers. Are you so? What did we? Ve got a tonic cases, but other hospitals, nations they ve blown up. eighty three percent. In the last two weeks, there are a bunch of hospitals and like while we are really step. We have real problems in terms of capacity here The way one of the issues isn't just another beds they have, but the number of hospital people who are staying home because either they ve got it and they need to stay on course. or somebody. Their family has got it Mr Wizard, or are they

not an army about reaction, but you still don't want people who are currently in a testing positive, recovered nineteen and shutting viruses working around patients who might be a higher risk, their deaths by their youth. Yes, it must have big spike in a day, because yesterday, in the New York Times thing on the external start, the two week increase was eighteen percent sternly. thirty six percent- it's that does, even if it were still about one thousand fifteen hundred currently average, is one thousand six hundred feet rim. That's a lot of death a day for a mile by That's not it. I dont want not ready to answer jig here. I concur with I was. I think this is the last big hurrah for further the virus with this thing being so super duper contagious between vaccinate. and passed infections. Nobody catching the now.

Everyone's gonna have it. We should be knocking on the door of her immunity, but still remains to be seen here. I you know, I think, the other guys as imagine, even if you're not seeing huge debts. Thank god- and I was not a word there- still the consequence of how do you keep the country running when so many people are upset policing the problems of schools? They had met them, hospitals. You know a particular with a labour shortage we had beforehand. Generally, a lot of its institutions did not have a lot of extra employees lying around. So if you have three percent five percent, seven percent people colony second, one day, all of a sudden, you bet a huge workload and none of people to get the job so eight fourteen days to all get covered. I lost no time in I'm I'm half jerking, but if it's good enough to lock down for fourteen days, why not all get it up but sick people and urge them to to go outside his death

so Jim? Let me stay with you. Just want one thing on us, Sir: I'm looking death a year and the New York Times in the daily to figure? Sixteen hundred I mean that still high per your point, Where are you on this question? There's a statement from the CDC Destruct Director that was distorted by lot of folks on on the right. That was suggesting that, basically, I forget was what it, what it was the five percent of people who died of Kobe won't work was hope it or are they all had for a quorum, come or better these, or something like that which is actually talking about the vaccinated people who who had died but where were you on the of it or with it? Debate did have any inkling on whether the death figures over the course of the Pandemic Unum well, nor eight hundred thousand now. is exaggerated. Do you think it might be exaggerated worry on that? I dont think its exaggerated if it is not by March, and in fact nothing is probably maybe it'll above an underground,

because if you look at the overall more morbidity rate amongst Americans, it takes this giant jump up. In March twenty Twond, and it's been staying hot or generally, that the overall death rate for Americans has attracted the number of official covert desk. Pretty well Now you could say somebody call about right: he comes to cover nineteen, he also blood cancer. Writing you know what gets there is nothing to sneeze that there's a good chance that, what cancer would have killed them at some point. I do think that, if covered nineteen kill someone a here are two years or whatever amount of time beforehand. For they otherwise would have passed from natural causes or some other be no dread disease that they were fighting to me. That's all I don't have any disparities are appointed disputing that? That's that's, you know, that's what did they have other factors yeah. I'm a little frustrated by the games playing around this. I think it's pretty clear of the market

Co morbidity, as you have the bullshit you're gonna, be a I'd, say serve. You know. Well the older listeners, but the older you are, you know, you'd more likely. You are to pass away, not just uncovered nineteen from a lot of extra suspended the nature of getting old, You know it's not like your vaccination helps boosting helps, as we saw in the case of Colin Powell. If you ve got other health issues. Vaccination in boosting may not be. The huge factor was over, but the front of a friend who has got recast treatments on their doing. Ok got the shots. Backers not not know, MRS back in last spring or something and the air for what they could tell the shots really didn't take on that. They just didn't have enough of an immune system for the immune system to have a reaction to what the initial shot was broken in their look. People who love you now severe como abilities licking.

More in the amount of compromising ones, cancers. Things like that therein rougher shape and there they have worse odds against this virus than the average person does other other factors absolutely, and we here we talked about the genetic factors earlier there, but I think all in all I am color yeah. I guess you know well, let's get it put it well. People are taken out of context there trying to make it its feel like the people Everyone who died at four more come come here, but it is not the case now I'll be eight hundred some thousand who died at the extreme high percentage of them had these one comparability and other people who, as I kill over diabetes, everyday illness, a kilo from me, we around what Americans are obese than dying from it, the obesity and carbon nineteen Emma being vaccinated, then you're dealing with a scenario where there's a better chance of you not poem for tax question you Charlie hook. was heard, immunity, the right strategy, all

given what we know now about pandemic, yes or no, I don't quite know that means do mean in the sense that Sweden adopted it. proactively as a policy yeah being were less worried about people actually getting the virus towards the end of it by getting the virus enough that you have Amelia takes care the power. Well, I think you probably needed different strategies for different people. I think we should have been far more interested in protecting people who were really who elderly or have pre existing conditions than we were unlocking everyone else down. I think that this question does change at the point at which the vaccines become available, which they weren't in twenty twenty,

I also think that in one sense, a lot of our debate of what we should do, with the exception of the vaccines, have been futile because they have been built upon the false assumption that we can, with public policy, prevent the transmission of covert. And we can't so. We were always going to end up. We heard immunity one way or another. I think some of them Jason efforts that we took the delay that until at least mass vaccination were worthwhile by them, and I think that at the very beginning a shaggy kind of made sense because we didn't know much about the disease, but I think once it became clear who is most at risk? Can I try said our policy should have shifted to reflect that at the norm is overwhelming. Majority of people were not at risk of hospitals, asian and death, and I think,

since we had the vaccine- and it was clear that maybe or maybe maybe water- maybe it wouldn't stop transmission and infection, but would stop people having serious illness for the most part. Then we should have tablet to kind of where people seem to be going now community. You know, read for Christmas Leanna when the former had a plan parenthood, but whose now CNN medical contributor and commentator said that in a cloth master gonna go It was a surprise that I was just because of all around you know. Plumpness have never been any got against any this. These versions and I am sure everyone wearing a cloth mask. I would set a gasp. They were probably already gasping because their work is not mask the idea of offices. Oh, the other kind super duper contagious. All of a sudden, the make of Macedonia, good Weber, seen huge It places even a place like York City, where they really stricter masking policies. Scary,

Washington DC to O o master. Do any good websites. Couple couple years ago, they would have a team. I hope, fight you ve seen in public or somebody wearing a cloth mask and now you're here, better. Do any good, never mind. We want a word and ninety five one of the better one spot go right ahead, but that's been kind of feudal. As we mentioned, the vaccine Mandy arguments got a whole bunch of arguments we have over the past eighteen years to two months have been overtaken by events, because when the crumbling super duper contagious and unjust, that kind of frustrate our most dyspeptic last week, but he took a look at this near like we please catch up to what on promise doing. It does not act like restock in March. Twenty twenty forever So I think that the notion of bending the curve made sense. You know if you can push infections past, the point where you know more about the virus and you have treatments and you have a vaccine- that's great. I am not sure how much of our intervention, some of which were

costly, succeeded in that goal? so when it, but I don't think that's the pure, you could have done a pure, let's let rep from it beginning and I think you're. Some version of the detainees dissenters approach was the correct one, which is recognising that various interventions were had their own downsides and costs, and acting accordingly, but also taking them this very seriously and trying to hold harmless civic saint. You could are the most vulnerable populations with that, let's hit a few other things before we go so Zan. Despite the constant ribbon you now receive on this podcast about having relatively subdued extracurricular activities, you went out and acquired a backup freezer

I did- and I was hoping now it somehow escaped scrutiny for this particular light. I dont accurate, its pride, never gonna happen, but we didn t get back a freezer and I think I probably talk to one point on this podcast about. I'm gonNa Cassio membership, which were similarly lively and it turns out across the membership. Only does you so much good if you have any where to put the bulk food that you buy, so we did some research finally got a freezer print they spent, and I look forward to storing up and starting up for windows meet shops are empty cook. You been playing a video game, Maria Party superstars on then Nintendo switch. We got this for the boys for Christmas and they'll of it, and I love it too. Especially. good. If you're stuck inside has my family,

this further while and we all got I'm a essentially it's a board game on the screen, punctuated by little many video games that are suitable for three rules and damn, if you have a switch, I would recommend getting And jam you gotta have a kid back at school. I imagine after the when a break up. First, nursling off. You now trust me listeners. I love my sons, but I would point out that the last day of school here enough intercity words was December. Seventy four have you said its holiday, break, never mind the hunter was much earlier the month, it's Christmas break, where we getting up committed a thought crime, but anyway, so they're off from me now the week of the twenty two, the funding for our cats by course he could have off the week between Christmas and new year. Is the plan was for them to go back in January. Third, you probably remembered it was actual snow here in Virginia, and I don't mind that you're going to have a snow day, give me real snow.

There are those of the fourth beside. You know that blood much very much in the He also identify. Was you know where to turn into a parking lot for like getting some miles when you go them their breakfast, but it was, of course, without on the fifth, because on this was cold, Of course, the sex because it was still called then Friday, this adequately just now that was not so higher extra weak, got added to holiday break at dawn. those things like I don't mind having them around, but you know because they all cried. He seemed like a good play, the stove. What about signing off anyway? You know if we go to you to hear that listens, no home construction, knock it off home office to myself and its refreshing, and I feel absolute. Spectacularly productive, so that not only today, but you know what it's nice to have the schools open and you're, not budgetary would You treat it like a miracle because you never don't do point will get to lone a close again. So I went through this this phase last couple days, were I

almost overwhelmed and tired with football. After that, all season and with the NFL games being stretched out across the course of a. Week with some of the cover issues the NFL was experiencing by it by Sunday night as like? I dont really need watch another football game, before another football game. All these great play games or are coming up. So I don't really care about this raider chargers, game and sure enough there there I am standing in in my bedroom at eleven thirty at night, following it on my phone tv, wasn't working at the top of just obsessively good footing back and forth. that usb to twitter to see what was happening because it was almost as this historic tie and oftentimes ties in football games or sign as a really bad game. This is like the state yours and lines tied this year, and it was a horrible game, but this incredibly dynamic excited tie, and then

last night, with the college Football Championship you know just I'm done them, I'm not sure I can really get age in this one and it wasn't a very interesting game for most of the first three core it was nine hundred and twenty six Alabama, and then it just had a feeling of this game that was going to kick into a different gear. At the end, it did Somehow or other I become in Alabama, crimson tied fans have gone from being an admirer to the excellent other excellence. The programme now to be emotionally invested so is kind of it a higher loss to take, but an amazing game with George to finally be Alabama under what choice I first times in seven years or something majority came back to the wind and I'm looking forward after a brief break a refresher of four forty, whatever is gonna, be without football to their the play of game starting on Saturday at that time and our partners, for

picks Jim Garrulity. What's your pic? Ah, how good per capita moisten stop every single week, but I think his offering of this weekend towards the politics of charity on cabin is always want is always sharp. He's always seemed is always a fantastic writers. consumers great- and this was really wise- that this this is the sage of other Disney words called the sage, whereas it Nevada, Texas, wherever cabinets these days, just calling for us to try to be like if you press, like you, want to persuade someone think through a personal, really listen to them, really listen to them described why they feel that they feel and then like try to empathize try to see the world through data. Was this plea for empathy, but also advocates charities, observing that, like this kind of work,

Me is a constitutional republic in our country function and also a little you know, shut up, Charlie's envisioning, that it is likely that that I read these words Charles did you put this done for the building of a marketing in the garage Charley was that what you're doing Leslie no comment strike nobody's business but you're up, but if you like, a jacket was your pic, I take is a peace by Rick, because her in the most recent issue Have you magazine out what to the founders where America slaves and his characteristically brilliant on the history Charlie? What's your pick, my pig

is also from that issue. The magazine and is also on the topic of slavery, but it is Dan Maclaughlan entry, which I thought was absolutely terrific. The title is american slavery in the global context, and it sets the United States in world history rather than looks at it. I turn asks what, with similar different about slavery, him outside the tape from the new issue, which is your first issue that the print magazine an exceptionally well done, and I like the peace by Wilson Reilly. The author of the book taboo and just really acute. An acute and fearless analysed, and it is another great entry in that issue, so that

set for us seamen listening to a national view. Podcasting, you re broadcast retransmission Kalis game. Without the express written permission nationally magazine is strictly prohibited. As park s been produced by the incomparable, Sir Shitty makes it sound better than we deserve. Thank you, Charlie, thank you and thank you, Jim thanks to link which is strawberry service, and thanks specially to all of you for listening where the editors we'll see you next time,