Today on The Editors, Rich, Charlie, and Michael discuss this moment of cultural riot we’re in, what we should do about Confederate statues and symbols, and how to view the developing situation in Portland.
• Rich: Camden’s police force
• Charlie: Kyle Smith’s piece “Insanity at the Poetry Foundation”
• MBD: Rich’s column “A Presidency Is a Terrible Thing to Waste”
• Rich: Being on hold.
• Charlie: Happy Meals.
• MBD: Wall maps.
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Charlie. We have the cultural revolution like wave of turmoil and cancellations across the country across the culture, and even
across the pond why'd to talk a little bit about what you make has been going on.
J K rolling, they will get in some other instances as well.
She said what, Sir, what struck most people as something not even worth saying throughout most of human distance, which is that men can't meant
trade and the mob came after her and people she's worked with closely on the movies turned
on her, and it was
one of the more absurd instances, and this
a week or two of absolute cultural craziness. We all been living through yes
there's a moment in George Orwell's humming,
the Catalonia in which he says that for the first time in his life, he felt that everything was up for grabs in Spain during the civil war, and
its generally, not a good thing when everything is up for grabs. It's not a good thing for a couple of reasons:
firstly because when everything is up for grabs, you're, probably drifting
so far away from whatever it was that you intended to achieve in the first place as to disrespect and maybe discredit.
Prime Mover, which in this case was
The murder of George Floyd and
the arguments that it unleashed is also not a good thing, because most of our society is fine.
An operating pretty well and relative to
almost all of human experience virtuous and happy and wealthy.
Who have gone so far now into iconoclasm that we
created a general revolution.
which anyone whose steps out of line is seen to be fair game.
They're alive or dead, the universe you Liverpool is apparently changing its
Gladstone Whole because his father own slaves is Britain's greatest liberal. Prime minister reformer emancipator. If the irish Anti imperialist.
And so J K rolling over her comments had nothing whatsoever to do with rice. Although her common
were made in Britain or the comments, and I use the word deliberately do not in fact intersect with the murder of
Floyd has not only been denounced by most of the elite class. Look at
headlines on these stories, if you don't believe me, but by the people
whose life she made. They actors in Harry Potter and her other works,
We are in the middle of a cultural riot, not a physical one, so much
any more, but a cultural riot.
I thought was so pathetic about
take a rolling incident
that none of her critics do
nothing other than restate their objection. There is no argument here. If you look at every piece but has been written on this.
The game is pure session.
The headline reads that
Kay rolling engaged in Anti Trans speech and attend to praise those who have called her out,
but this is just editorializing the quest
at hand these. Whether rolling speech was anti chance.
She thinks it's not.
Those calling her out are in fact disagreeing and their statements
don't do anything to move the poor. They just repeat the catechism
So the argument against J K, rolling.
Is that she is wrong because she said something that they think is wrong and Jackie
instead, there are biological differences
between men and women.
Those are real. They are observable
they exist within a
External reality, she said that men cannot menstruating, but those who menstruating woman, the trans activists say that's not true,
But rather than point to any evidence to the contrary, nor engage with specific arguments that rolling is making they say that hurt disagree.
With them erases their truth, which is now
now given devices to you too. Now I'm black, I'm a black man, and you said
Charlie you're, not you're a white man and I said
By denying that I am a black man, you are raising my blackness. The audience would laugh. I hope I dont know why they are laughing here.
In. I know they are really because, having read all of these pieces, I scroll down to look at the comments
and amazingly the vast majority of normal people are not
scandalised, store, shocked or upset by the idea that men are capable of menstruating, but
those whom this moment has purchased
And so we are
Watching the ritual denunciation of somebody who is or was greatly beloved.
So. I believe that this ransack he's been pretty widespread. We got cops
Cancelled we got live, p D cancelled, we have
suggestions, at least that chase the police pop on par patrol. Should
be at risk or seriously enter
I it we got gone with the wind taken off HBO.
MAX we're gonna get at it confederate, iconic, Graphic separately in it and a moment here, but what he make of it
Charlie's right called a cultural riot. You know it
you know I
on a classroom is
done in a religious spirit. Right I mean it's. It's a kind of sign of
Religious fanaticism right there's, this kind of
lurking fear that someone's going to chance upon
the wrong thought I mean and and
That's why it descends to this kind of hysteria where people are
aid that pop patrol
is somehow contributing to violence.
You know, I think the t enough.
Rumbling thing too, is is
this to me, the suggests
thing is that its global
right I mean
Its spread not to just two Jackie rolling back
Cecil roads I saw this morning there was the face
and of a statue of rum,
The Bruce in Scotland as he was
build a racist king and
trying to think of like he was oppressing relic. Was it you know, with her
he left over picts hanging around a few centuries. Leans got Scotland some some comfort
speakers in its hard to know so here
there's there's a kind of indiscriminate thinking. I think there was an abolitionist statue in Philadelphia. That was my eyes Baldwin
devoted his flock philanthropy to educating black children right,
now some of this is done in total ignorance. Right I mean that I are often ignorant right away,
the foot soldiers were just exploding in
splitting the temples and ex exploding statues.
Some of it is- is ideal
Roger calls. You know
spiralling and expansion, where at some point,
If your problem is not white, supremacy but white privilege, well, then the abolitionist have to go to re because in a sense,
Spite daring to free black.
People you were stepping in and pretending to be a white saviour and you know you ve come at all sorts of offences.
By being an abolitionist south theirs,
Little bit of that and in I think,
part of this hysteria, too, is is in order.
I've talked about Charlie off over the
I cast his there's a kind of this
disorganized, religion, I, this is a disorganized religious spirit that is kind of stocking the land and
cataclysm has been a part of the tradition of the west. These spasms
is in you know it's a piece of you know the cannon wars in academia where you're trying to
in whose representative
You know in this kind of futile quest to wish that history was different than it was end
the only way to stand up to it right is, is either.
You overwhelmingly protect
the statues and the people worth protecting waiting to protect them with IRAN.
The other thing is to just let them get bored with it in others. There something you can't stop, and this may be one of them
where this is kind of, passion has to extinguish itself in the next couple of weeks. It I said
if you read on the ultimate point is addressed to exclude certain modes,
thinking? It Michael says a driver of iconoclasm, it is
fear that some have not forbidden.
I said that or something else in your view, I think it's partly, that is part of a cultural under confidence.
The fear that otherwise, smart people will make bad decisions unless you take away their choices. I also think it
Sir Human desire to find a short cut
much easier in the middle of a riot to steal the television than it is to save the money up and pay for it.
If you see a cultural wave, even if it's not long lasting.
And you jump on the back of it. You might be able to achieve,
that would otherwise have taken arguments and democratic deliberation and Athens bright, searched amazing shortcut.
Amazing short cuts are getting what you want so export.
To you and they d on this one, you think, will see this spasm. This cultural riot as Charlie calls it fizzle out within the next month.
Within the next six months or never.
I think you know we had. One of these
Couple of years ago, I think, two years ago, on some of the confederate
statues and I predicted it would spread to the founders. I think
sixteen nineteen product it has in its way,
I think we're just gonna see this
and her hasn't held. So I think we're gonna see this period periodically in a visa
You too weak to two month bursts of this until there's some kind of feeling of political settlement again take up.
Well die out, but I think it's going to take until the end of the presidential election to do so, because these issues will be raised along the way as part of that debate.
Can a sizzle say roughly we months, maybe you know, maybe between a month in six months, but it'll start up again with the next incident and they they pitched. They push it further each time and regarding the founders. Now it's in a relatively intellectual effort to discredit the founders, but it
will become more concrete and I think there will be serious action at some point against the Jefferson Memorial not just physically, but in an attempt to reach
make it something else. I think he's she's the most vulnerable of the of the of the biggest founders. So with that lets, pause and hear from whatever sponsors this week. Freedom fast for investors on known as the world's largest gathering for free minds and the summit,
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it out. So Emily was also on. Is the campaign against confederate symbols and about conflicted on this one a lie: the big statues I don't like, especially,
I think were erected as way too
all this signal to African Americans,
said the rice or can be curtailed.
And that the confederacy was a just cause, I think, are a particularly prob, problematic and I'd like seem really
moved to battlefields museums or wherever else, but I want to see it done on a more pressure
sit down as a product of violence and the forts that are now being targeted it,
it just seems to me to brag and for banning no one. There really thanks thanks anymore, about the confederate antecedents.
Those names. The names are now more associated with with force themselves. Then they are with the confederate generals. What do you make of it
yeah I mean you know it's hard to describe like a moderate position. Like your your own right, I mean myself
I'm for putting statues up anymore
Making some of them down when we think more about it,
or decide, we like something else. I would
against, like you, are, is a kind,
DR toward a year
the Civic called right like
one of the things that was disgusting about what happened.
In the Soviet Union. Was the theatre
that imposing one civic cult right that all the though the arm
all the monuments had to in some way reflect the glory of the party.
And even after the Soviet Union came down
brought you know I would have supported taking down almost every manual.
Stolen, but not in a way that
You know you know
limits to how far you should push it? As far as
You know some
If some town loves their money.
To the Red Army and their there,
Fathers died in that in the great patriotic war. You know you think twice about taking it down.
federal monuments, have this double history
is impossible to intertwine. Some of them are put up to signal
the end of reconstruction or the kind of
their pride in brief
terror in the nineteen twenties and nineteen tens.
Were put up in this spirit of reconciliation, right that, while this was a war that pit brother against brother
No, it's bad for the nation as a whole have a section of the nation that feels utterly
he defeated and without honour. So we have to invent a kind of honourable tradition
In our way of talking about the true,
great generalship of some of their leaders and those are intertwined and remembered, and an impossible to pull apart from each other right,
You, I think, but I think over time, and I think it
Ashley as more and more people have migrated to the south from New England,
from the MID West.
Tat meant to confirm a miles has waned and
at the same time black.
Power in the south as raw risen and- and so I think its net
To take a lot of it down overtime,
I think it gets a little silly when you go when big corporations like HBO, make a big stink about taking gone with the wind,
offer their streaming services in Algeria,
gone with the wind. I think what is
second, what's a little twisted about
Culture is this fear that
a single monument or a single movie in itself, is going to
illicit and generate malice in a human heart. I don't think that's true. I dont think people.
I think the only people for whom gone with the wind
is a kind of
watching gone with. The wind is a kind of wave moralising, their belief in
A lost cause version of southern history. Those people
really believed in a lost cause version of southern history and
but the wind is just something they attach onto it.
Forbidding them to see it. One more time is not likely to change their views.
Following someone to see it, one time is unlikely to implant those views in them.
So so we are, I would just say like and in some ways I were, I would like a healthier culture. I think, would would just be
a bit more relaxed about its memorials but yeah what what
we were there. Anything more relaxed about now know is its there. That's the six areas period. It is a period of agitation end. You know. I've found
in some ways in other some artists who have tried to cry
their own state
memorials as a response to the confederate memorials and that's healthy.
You know that Sir
Artist, who painted, I think, Barack Obama's portrait, where he's sitting in front of the believes that some
whose working in both
statuary and in paint, and he tries to be in dialogue with his classical tradition and put
figures and I think that's totally healthy and that's gonna help you
thanks to this, and maybe a healthier one than just the
you are, I can a classic load. The ethics is damagon. His said, among others, that we more statues get get your Frederick Douglass statues up. You know what one in motion and by
figures of the nineteenth century. With Charlie everything has gone with the wind I mean it's. It's a piece of art. Tat is very compelling
it all and can still move you to this day I spoke people could say the same thing about Iraq.
Ready least statute enrichment, but what he make Wallace Lifing, though
front for a number of reasons.
Somebody who has shown that we should go remove the pyramids, take him out. If you work at out, that's worth it for social justice right, but with slave Lake
God. I am given to understand that many of those who are directing that labour will not comfortable with gay marriage, but
Do you think it's a little bit different with the confederacy, because it
comes down to why.
We remember those depicted the confederacy was full of traders.
They were rebels against the United States in service of a vicious ideology.
Living in their own autonomous zone, the southern states autonomous own predicated-
upon values that are not just antithetical to those of the founding and incompatible with those of the founding, but that would had they prevailed have quite literally physically enslaved people. The cornerstone speech,
upon which the confederacy was built. Don't believe me, go read the documents, secession in each state, easy
Pediatrician of the american ideal
Lincoln was tearing
his hair out what he saw correctly as backsliding in eighteen. Fifty. He read his letter to
repair in eighteen. Fifty nine. He makes this most clear and praises Jefferson will come back to them in a perverse sent
confederacy the cornerstone speech. The documents of secession are a brother of the sixteen nineteen project which sides with Calhoun against
Abraham Lincoln against Frederick Douglass and in so far as that,
the project is memorialize on public land and by public figures it is give
an imprimatur that I think is inappropriate. The response that we saw from
president, to the suggestion that the military bases you mentioned be renamed. It
make a great deal of sense. In my view, I am open to the idea that it is a futile gesture. I am open to the idea that Fort Bragg is innocuous, because nobody
think of it ass a vestige of the civil war, but it doesn't really matter that many
brave people, have fought barrel that the facilities high class those
the institutions are home to the Union army.
They run and owned and funded and occupies by the government the union government, the federal government in
ass statue sit on public land or flags, are flown by state governments. The same problem obtains.
And I have a lot of time for those who say: ok flout you want
Your farm in your house, NASCAR
its own decisions, but please don't put
These memorials, irrespective of where they,
put up whether they were put up in initial wave or subsequently, please don't put them up
in my name with my dollars as the results of government action, that implicate
me, Chris calmly, you place the Jacksonville JAG is made this point that a march last week in Jacksonville about Alexander Stevens, I said the cornerstones.
Made the case that not only are african Americans in
area to whites, but that the only way the whites can ever be free or happy is if blacks remain inferior enslaved. I think I say, as a matter of public policy are opposed to private questions such as common
the wind. There are some serious questions here. They should be taken seriously. Now I, like you rich, don't want people defacing anything throwing statues in rivers breaking off heads vandalized, that's not how we do things. That is not an excuse for it
but I have some time for the idea that on public Landon, public military bases and so forth, the standards should be different. Where I get off the train in an instant is when people take that idea and apply it
to people whose character floors were not central but either secondary or even incidental a couple of years ago there was a thankfully brief moment.
During which some advocates
for the removal of the statue of Lord Nelson in Trafalgar Square in London. Why
because he and his earlier years had been fine with slavery, was not a fan of Wilberforce. This is preposterous. We do not remember Admiral Nelson,
because he was not on the same side as William Wilberforce. On the question of the apple,
slavery in the british empire.
We remember Lord Nelson because he saved the country because he was one of the great admirals in british history because he defeated the french and lead to a century of peace that matters
Thomas Jefferson was praised by Abraham, Lincoln.
In the same documents as he was condemning, Stevens Jefferson, Davis and others
Why? Because we primarily remember Thomas Jefferson.
Ass, the man who wrote the declaration of independence is the man who tried hypocritically yes to abolish slavery
in Virginia Ass, the man who was president when the importation,
Slavery was curtailed and the first possible date could be under the terms of the constitution. I think we have to draw a distinction in how we approach this between those who stood for something concrete and those
who were flawed and I dont think we are- and I think we have to do so-
wish to between action that is taken by governments which are supposed to represent us all and actions
that are taken privately, what
should be far more flowering of opinion, difference and far more tolerance for ambiguity,
So Michael, we got to move on from this one, but really wick. How do you think about what would choice has obviously true that threaten us nature of better see, but these are Americans
who died on the other side so hot? How do we? How do we put those things together and and do we honor that sacrifice at all and any way besides in reading about in history, books,
You do it very carefully. I mean I. I still think.
I grew Charlie, it's treason and it was a treasonous causing the cornerstone speech was appalling and many. The leaders
of the confederacy are appalling in and the
a revisionist history that there was this was
Its rights causes rubbish, bides many the soldiers,
he fought were neither slavers nor politically sophisticated.
They were fighting for out of fealty toward their state and their their region.
And I think I think educated people,
sure, admire soldier
You try to do their duty with with honour. I think you did, but you have to
again be very clear about. It is, I think, one of the things behind
Spasm of iconoclasm is
Highly educated and cultivated people tend to.
Be more tolerant of these,
deviations in these nuances in public ceremony, right like in every country,
I know I know in Ireland when people
he did. Nelson's pillar, Charlie Brown of Nelson, but
James Choice and W B Yeats defended Nelson's pillar in the middle of Dublin.
Ah, but eventually was blown up and in nineteen sixties,
and similarly, I think an educated audience probably knew more sympathetic to literally blown up yet
early blown up in nineteen, sixty six
it had been there. I think they start
work on it in one thousand five, two to commemorate Nelson's, great victory, Trafalgar
and it was controversial from the start.
But in any case I think
It has to be done. You know by civic groups led by cultivated men
I don't think we should look. I don't want me to realistic plan.
We need to move on, but I would just say I don't quite know how to do this either, but I do think that there is a little bit of sliding here between a desire to memorialize the dead, many of whom did believe that they would just protecting their state or their interests or who are conscripted essentially
two armies, formerly or otherwise, and
memorialize in those who made highly
ideological and right thoughtful, albeit evil statements about
nature of american life and the nature of human rights
EU wide statue of Alexander Steve Rice anywhere. It.
Very difficult there, Emmy using this everywhere. This difficulty exists in Germany. Right I mean after world war, two there were attempts to say: ok, let's put off
of the evil on the S ass, but the where marked, were you know we're just honourable german men. You know but an end, and you know you can't
when you actually look closely at what the mark did in as they invaded Poland in France,
You can't say that now you can begin to construct as some
sort of policy where, for example, you would never remove graves from a cemetery, but you might not
throw up or maintain a statue,
Jefferson Davis in a town follow of african american citizens. Absolute absolute, that's absolutely right, and I guess what you just did
These balances have to be struck carefully and
I'm sorry that I think you need a culture
it and literally men to term to make them
these decisions, but I think that's the only way works. Otherwise, you just at these. Otherwise you get
you do have in Germany and in Poland, which is these blunderbuss government rules
and I was joking about the lack of cultivated and legally man in our society, but I will say I have more faith in every single official who is currently elected to fill. That
than I do in the mob. He now, of course,
Emily S, question to you and say: roughly five years time will most confederate statutes be removed.
Or will still be a lot of them, although fewer than today
You're still be a lot of them, but fewer but fewer than today you, I think I
think will look back in thirty years, and this will be a gradual process with a few spasms in between jacket,
They're still be a lot of them, because the United States is not a unitary state. People have wildly differ
Opinions on this. It's not gonna be resolved by our conversation on this point gusto by my views. People interact with these statues in different ways and the public policies that flow from that war will variable.
I think the last time I asked questions like this was Apt Charlottesville, my interest still the same, I think most of them will be removed so that less,
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or just so. Our next final topic, I wanna do it. Exit question style has were running
the gas that, fortunately, a hard deadline here,
we have the establishment Ebby Calvin.
Artemus Zone in Seattle, six, blacks, liberated from the sea,
sea city government.
What do you make of it and exit question? Do you think secession will increase?
finally become a thing again in american wise and has not yet
the confederacy, there are other movements, and our history will become a thing yes or no.
Two questions, really all interests,
One first will confer secession become a thing. It is a thing. It's a periodic thing, and you see it's
you see spasms of enthusiasm for, depending on who the president is when he was George Bush,
was this little vogue further Second Vermont Republic to emerge out of new
when and secede from United States- and there is seen out loose talk at the beginning of Obama's term about
a re emergence of the loan star republic- and I think that's it-
level, it will exist most of the time.
As for these six box in Seattle I mean I I
That's just like occupy Wall Street or the Paris commune
Woodstock in this way
having already. If there's some news reports already it's
right of disorder and sexual assault when when they were,
short history of this
Secession is written,
It's ridiculous for the Mayor Seattle to pretend that this isn't really
happening. It's demoralising to Seattle, police force. I think, to give up a police precinct.
I had a friend whose daughter was in their precinct a few weeks ago and
gonna- be damaging to the city and its having is actually something
legitimately sad and troubling to see the
police in Seattle saying with theirs.
Six block radius, where these
suppers have entered,
Committing extortion against the businesses in those six blocks so
It has to be put down.
And very soon for Seattle, good and
You know this is another sign of what I said before about disorganized religion. Right I mean this is like a kind of
Toby and HARM Une Commune sprang up and
It seems like the majority of people in it are: are white people
want to create and
example of socialist,
we're communism. There
works, and then there's other people who are
the black lives matter. Movement of her are increasingly uncomfortable with
what's happening there, so yeah that's what to make of it. I don't think you know, I think for them.
Part session will be this kind of epic finance
one of our partisanship, chequered sessions,
become more of a thing. Yes or no. I don't think so. I dont know.
Instead of guessing, I'm gonna make my pitch for federalism. You don't
to succeed. You need to limit your exposure. You don't need to worry as much to the president is
who's in charge of the federal bureaucracy or even who's running Congress need to limit the federal government to its proper role so that you can live in harmony.
With others in the country. I disagree, California,
has indeed seen a rise in secessionist sentiment since President Trump was elected.
Silly, that's not the tool, it's not the necessary to try and reduce the power of the federal government. California
can do whatever it wants, and those people who
taking over city blocks and I must confess
to finding it extremely annoying that I was capable of condemn,
Drawing on the work of Abraham?
Lincoln and others in expressing the importance of the law, but that it
seems to be a concerted attempt on the life
To pretend this isn't happening audits in some way different, not Woodstock. It's not a protest zone,
These people need to do. This is an absolutely enormous country. What these people need is
go live somewhere else and demand that
baby, mostly left alone goby the Amish and take over parts of Seattle. All the tools to resolve this
issue already in the hands of those who are dissatisfied
You just need to learn to use them and to understand that if they use them, others will be able to use them to as they see fit
the Amish, obviously to orderly and hard work, and to be a very useful example. I do think the sessional become more of
thing I think of tropical reelected. It would become a a huge thing
and potentially driver a major crisis at some point in his
second term. So before we go, let's hit a few other things. Envy day you ve been looking at Wall MAPS,
there's this company, I think, out of the UK, called the future mapping company and fuel
you go. I bought one of their maps of the british Isles founded by some designer, and
She is a shrill I for color, and this week I just bought a european law map to decorate Thea off
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For a few. But it's basically anyway. It's just a guy
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Things. In my house. It is my favorite thing to look at and Charlie than meditating on the metaphysical perfection. Mcdonald's happy me absolutely copy a happy man not for me, but my kids,
comes then a little box. It looks like a house,
Portion size, surprised, toy apple, slices, get apple juice, milk, I
took the kids through anticorruption. Happy me, oh by the way, what I was a kid they wouldn't dare
Apples, a happy, I'm your reactionary, where you can ask for those things,
so maybe maybe I'm a fan of non times.
Happy merely advance new fangled. Happy male anyhow took the kids who the drive for yesterday and when we got home the ship
Joy that these happy males confer is something to be
so I've been thinking about being on hold. I spent two and a half hours on on hold yesterday with the apple problem.
And destroy knows I'm not much of a attack guy and my instinct
over there. Some sort of problem brain is just not to deal with it because it will take some
long, and it may create other problems to try to help me out of some six or forget what was years ago failed ago, failed, not his fault. I had to go the apple story after we can't help you that area the store actually bought the door
Yes, we can help you that I ended up for solving the problem, but in the process like locking myself out of the email and desperately trying to get
back in my email lost track, my password for my email, even after the emo,
working surf several years. I didn't know my own email, password cuz. I want to mess with that either, but anyway, I've had this issue had been locked out of my Itunes account. I tried to make an appointment to call apple to deal with it. The appointment as soon as I get was I go away,
hence and sure enough? I blew it, I forgot about it and then I wasn't gonna like make another one for a week a week.
Again and again that the bullet called yesterday apple people can do
they had put me on hold to talk to the Itunes people who couldn T authored it had put me on, hold and talk to the Icloud people who can deal
and we're gonna trust me over to the MAC. People is best. Problems
I wonder whether you have clearer fix for this was locked out of my Itunes. I have been able to update my eye cloud storage, so have like three months stuff pictures now that our backed up, but the only way to get back into my Itunes account or get a new items account because my current want some reasons
permanently suspended- is to create a new account which erases everything on my phone at the moment, which has been backed out backed up, they don't have an items, account to get Icloud Store,
so ass to meet like right, happy mail. He fastened
we're going to try to get to download them onto a MAC, and then I get the phone going. But anyway it's a lot of hold music
is the most annoying very light eyes are worth
so. What's diver editors bags, anybody would you bet
the mutual admiration society that sometimes is I'm
your column rich. A presidency is a terrible thing to waste.
Which explains how
from is blowing blowing it.
This was the this first.
For this year was his time.
Of testing in crisis, and he is wasted
it on things like just tweeting garbage end.
Focusing like a laser on Joe Scarborough was deep troubled secrets. It's been a bad job by him, but a good job. I rich thanks Maketh, try with your big that one of the great
it is about working at national review- is that you get to read people who aren't crazy, say Carl Smith writing about people who are crazy. The people who are currently trying to take over the poetry foundation
Not just take it over by removing the
People who run it, but by taking it
entire and down for themselves. Quite how
as they say were. The ones who earn this in the first place is true, given that it comes from a family that makes medical drugs
is unclear, but this story
The car taught with typical panache is just so so funny, essentially the poetry Foundation put out a statement
saying that it stands in solidarity with the black community and denounced injustice and systemic racism, and all of us which looks fine. I mean quite wide the poetry front
and had to do this, I don't know, I never thought it was racist, but it put out the statement. That seems fine and it wasn't get it off and in response the rebels, I suppose,
Call them came up with this letter, which contains one of the great lines of all time. I intend to use this in future debates. They said the watery.
Vagaries of this statement are ultimately a violence.
Violet fishing waters vagaries. I meant to say this next time. Somebody annoys me, but but it turns out that the only way to remedy this, the violence of this watery vague statement is to give the rebels
about two hundred million dollars, which is convenient
cargoes through this any finishes with an observation, I'm afraid it's true. I think it would probably be healthier and our culture that weren't true, but especially at this moment, is true, which is that in this context, it
easy, if not to say anything in the first place and if you do say something, don't apologize? So my take is peace we
On the experience for Canada, New Jersey to fund the police has been a big
again. No one knows what it means, besides the completely absurd literal meaning, but some,
but pointed to the experience of Cannon New Jersey, which actually disbanded its police force. But as this peace by Stephen Waters, points out that are basically union busting.
Measure and a way to get around the demands of the police, not just various protections, but
for a salary demands and benefits demands, so there was a new police force in Camden, so there was still a police force that was funded and a fact that there more cops at the end of this process.
Which is one of the points of the process. So if you been wondering about Camden what you've heard her amount about this week and if you haven't read this piece yet it do yourself a favor
and check it out. So that's it for us to email, sent you an ass review, podcast into rebroadcast retransmission this game without the express written permission of Nephew magazine is strictly prohibited. This podcast has been produced by the incomparable Sarah City and makes it sound better than we deserve. Thank you Charley. Thank you, Michael thanks to freedom, fest and to bound by oath and thanks especially to all of you for listening for the editors and we'll see you
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