Today on The Editors, Charlie stands in for Rich and is joined by Maddy Kearns and Jim Geraghty. They discuss Trump’s recent executive orders, the chaos in Chicago over the weekend, and upsetting rumors about the college football season.
• Charlie: Luther Abel’s Portland series
• Jim: Fred Fleitz’s piece “Five More Things You Probably Didn’t Know about Susan Rice”
• Maddy: Rich and Ramesh’s piece in the magazine, “Why Trump’s Losing”
• Charlie: Daniel Tiger
• Jim: Everyone being in the same boat
• Maddy: Facetime filters
The Editors is hosted by Rich Lowry and produced by Sarah Schutte.
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Jump says Congress. What Congress Chicago
explodes Andy unsuitable. I send some ominous signs to football fans that twenty twenty isn't it
to be a year. Welcome too
Additives hosted this week by me, Chelsea, doubly cook and featuring Jim
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president Trump decides lay TAT same. Why he signed an executive.
Our series of executive orders
in which he well used
the legislature which didn't do what he wanted it to do. The executive voice do for things one.
Struck his administration to look into ways of helping Americans who affair.
Seeing eviction that, once not especially controversial, doesn't really do much.
The second extends the deferral of student loan obligations, essentially allowing students who owe money to miss payments without penalties, the third
extends the emergency: supplemental unemployment, insurance benefits from the Kazakhs and the fourth witches by far away.
Most controversial, suspend
payroll tax payments for some workers through the end of the year, although it doesn't right off the tax burden.
Jim conservatives made a big deal it when
didn't Obama did such thing-
and were upset when he promised to resorting
PAN and his phone and now President Trump looks as if he's doing the same thing, though
There were a couple
directions here and there Ben SAS stands out, but by and large
There is very little objection from elected Republicans and then really not even for the USA for the right of centre media world,
I guess it get me now in an additional bonus editors pick in here and that I think you will live in an item. J White wrote a really good piece for
laying this all out and observing about how you
probably twist yourself into a pretzel single trumps is different because of this, and because of that look anything else. This is this.
Here too descendant of Barack Obama Amazon.
A ban and of home on basely deciding to enact darker and dogma.
Congressional concurrence without congressional authorization without congressional action, as I was
the corner there they, like,
what kind of remarkable is not at the Trump did it not surprising. This is this is entirely in keeping with the way too
sees his his view of the office
sure John, you good. You know is rent a burst of the wall like the Kool aid man to say, tat. You know, there's a
oh yeah, there's validation for this. This is how the presidencies must operate, but I think
of conservatives will look at this differently. Sir, let me look very different than this differently. When Obama was president- and I think
what would I brought in a corner poster earlier this week and it really kind of sticking to my craw is not
The trumpeted this, but how little debate or discussion that there was in there was really uniting. The
Objection from Democrats was not so much on the constitutional grounds of the president does not have the authority to do this.
It was much more in the context of Orange Man, bad and if any evil, but if Trump had given them everything they wanted by direct executive.
And ignoring the will of Congress. They probably would have in fine with it.
There is no inherit view that up acted
fourteen Sheila Jackson lay in a bunch of other democratic members of Congress. They they
had this holds press conference and ceremony where they introduce. What
hold drafted, executive order, Sicily, right around decision and a bit
quickly were like these are
of orders we'd like to see the president do anything having no you in the legislative branch you have
a job under this system is to introduce legislation, and, yes that can be hard. It's
meant to be hard. The founding fathers knew what they were doing you have today.
Consensus and it
It's his alien concept. These days, it like
but really that they'd the dominant attitude and, sadly adding as much on Republicans I'd
almost as much of the republican side as it is on the democratic side. Is this the
at the attitude of most people in politics, elected
ass roots activists? You know the whole balkan caboodle is
If I'm here I want, I want what I want what I wanted, and I don't care how I get it at that
ultimately anti constitutional as better
one. You know Joe six pack thinks that what is even worse than members of Congress think that because members of Congress Big first
they do upon taking office. Is
where an oath to preserve, protect, defend the constitution. If further, I looked it up into the words and they just and then they ignore it another complete
comfortable with that idea of government. That is,
fleetly at odds with the separation of powers in the constitution.
So I began this week. Prettier depress darling, I below it. If it wasn't that I was alone America on the spot. Yes, I'm happy with that better
not just say a sense that.
Those of us who been arguing for the constitution. It is now just as old dusty document under the glass
the National archives and nobody really seems to think about too much anymore, but we will
skip over Jim's micro aggression. I am, of course, of american tat. Happens it better it as an atm, maybe you're, not an american, but like me you are an immigrants and you came to America with the conception of how things is best. What does this body when it doesn't yeah deadly? Doesn't I agree with him as well? It's annoying to see the hypocrisy of Democrats.
To pay lip service to the constitution when more than happy to completely bypassed
constitution when it suits them. I'm actually think that Democrats are unlikely to sue art or certainly lead the way
gold charge against this executive action. Given that the objects of it are not great, it would be essentially standing in the president's we as the present
does something for the american people, which is very much needed. Like many things drums. Does I kind of Gatt and sympathise with the impulse, which is that the Democrats were very hard in the Bush
when they were asking for way too much on their plans were, which is totally dozens and vice people to ever get out of.
Women and not, as it does a genuine problem right now, I'm just anecdotally, I have
I have friends who younger saplings are recent college graduates, her living with their parents in nice.
When areas you getting this, this checked come in every week. Can that's just? Why would they ever get open and I think that's obviously not sustainable, so think he's? He was right that something had to be done, and this was not the way to do it as a conservative and unfortunately, in Charlie, you speak too much more than this night canvas.
Obviously, going to say rather unfortunate precedent if we ever had a progressive fan highly progressive president, which is certainly possible em. If you look at current pulling, then this could become oppressed in and they could point there are parts of sun and can
images, Parson hypocrisy and they say: well, you say you turban constitution, but actually, when you had a conservative or sensibly conservative president, he didn't seem too
So I'm so glad there there's long term consequences. I'm less concerned by the media were short term consequences. Actually dont think that appear on tax is particularly effective. Kiss. My reading of the subjects is just that employ
Here's what withhold add the money and so when even when, even necessarily be the advantageous to employees, but yet the long term consequences are not good.
Yeah, I agree with that. The one part I suppose I differ on is:
The idea that this sets a precedent, rather than ratifies a precedent right, we need to be clear about the provenance
and the scale this pails in comparison.
It is nevertheless a ratification in an endorsement of those abuses and unfortunately, we
the same republican politicians who are apoplectic back in two thousand thirteen and fourteen.
Either remained silent or in most cases is an exception. Endorse
this sum of even chuckled to themselves.
Noted. How clever this is
Now this is the
ages of barbarism
didn't just defer tax collection in an emergency. He refused to collect
axis entirely without
approval whatsoever with no,
the lying statute with no expansive law that could be squinted out with no emergency declaration that could be used as a justification with nothing. He just did
because they were unpopular
and this is not on this
scale, I stagger, which created positive new categories and effectively
change the law, but it is precisely the same approach as Obama Turk, and it is
just ass damage
to our constitutional order, and this is a legislative function,
It is arguably the most important legislative function best
His hair is that President Trump can technically do what he did.
Because Congress at another point said that he could in an emergency and
is the taxes aren't being written off their just being deferred.
It's an abuse, even if that is true and Trump made it clear that it was an abuse
he suggested that one of the aims here was to force Congress his hand.
He knows is going to be extremely difficult next year for Congress to ask people with,
some of the income scale to pay taxes that were not taken out of their paychecks in a what
as done hairs to create new facts on the ground. He went to Congress. He asked for
deal Congress said, no, for whatever reason it doesn't matter. In fact it doesn't matter if Congress is reason was Yahoo sucks we hate you, it said no
and then he did it anyway.
This is the same thing? Did Obama? Did we
Data. The idea of data was to create new facts on the ground and then dare Congress.
To undo it.
Obama was largely right in his car,
elation that it would not. I think, as Maggie says, chow
his largely right,
his calculation and the press will stay silent
it wants. These unemployment benefits extended. The democratic party
not going to make too much fast because of the politics is not great politics in an election year too
sue the president to raise taxes on poor people, but meanwhile,
constitution get shredded, just as it did with data, and I know we have a lot of progress
listeners and most of them are thought, fallen, sand
to stand and considered emails, and I want to ask them
Where were you twenty thirteen
fourteen, where was the Democratic Party, where were the leading progressive rights is?
I would not serve? I went nuts
over a varmus unwillingness to enforce those parts of the affordable care act that he thought would be unpopular,
law that he signed? I will not serve chumps Wolf and in a couple of years ago,
and I'm happy to go not over this too. This is disastrous for America, but where
the progressive movement. Where was the Democratic party when the seeds of
will being sown.
I remember back to deck, I'm sure you do Jim every piece. It seems
featured some random. I jumped professor in Nebraska
assuring the journalist
Obama was doing, was a hundred percent legal
And that all of the other people who are of
we're, probably racists, and now those same people are like hey, driven article one bro,
We being told that all procedural arguments of fake or disingenuous and no one cares about procedure.
And here we said ever we say I actually support Daca legislatively, but then you'd be told you just trying to evade.
Question, will I wasn't and I'm not? This is
really bad and needs to stop- is no excuse for it. I don't know if you are
source, but Ronald Brown steam said that Trump doesn't
understand any of this is stupid and reactive,
it is doing whatever occurred to him. Whatever he's told today,
Maybe that's true, but Obama wasn.
Obama was what a professor of constitutional law. He knew it
was doing and they did it anyway, and I
jump for this. I am opposed to this trumps should not have done it. It's not acceptable. There is no excuse, but Obama is complicit in this and that
for who justified Obama's behaviour at the time are exactly the
aim as all of the republican politicians who are now either
silent or saying it's ok again, bends ass, notably excluded
Jim, not jump the situation meeting their operatives- and I hope next time by or burma- and I dont
jump out there. The animated spirit of both of these explicitly said by obama- and I dont think I think-
precisely said to us, but this is doubly big. Subtext is, if Congress won't act. I will that's not what this country was founded upon.
In fact, you could argue is very much what be fought a revolution against this idea
the too much that this too much power should be concentrated in one part of the government. Think what kind of fast
a wise man told me a long time ago when I was having a particular frustrating
argument in favour of some other folks on the right is demonstrate a conservative and a right wing ideology. The concern
of cares about how you do something as much.
As what you're doing
the right wing ideologues doesn't really here how they get what they want. It's important that they get what they want, and
the it didn't. You see the arguments from those who defend this from the trumpet
active the Congress is being unreasonable,
yes and I'm sure, that's exactly how Obama felt about the Republican Congress back when he was it contemplating doc.
This is about what the other great irony of courses at Obama had spent several years. Insisting
but he did not have the constitutional authority to do this all by himself, that he needed Congress to act and that here and then all of a sudden my suspicion is that he realized that the
the sands and the hour glass were sinking throughout his presidency than if he was going to do something like this. It was good
after require this kind of pushing
the constitutional boundaries bending them. Arguably, to the point of breaking
and that was kind of that either. So he was the one who could stay with anything
You know all acts. I do have a look of low behold. I had this constitutional authority was back
the couch. I didn't see it
This idea that you know ok what do this now have this now
this permanent change in how we handle immigration in Accra.
Because I, the president decided this is so, but
We should take a moment to walk around good John Roberts, with a sharp stick
for real his this assertion of the way the court handle decibel. You probably make the argument,
but the Trump administrations arguments were sloppy and not the most effective but die
In that Supreme Court case, but in the end, I don't think
enough. Americans appreciate
why there why passing legislation is hard and why
stop is supposed to be. You know,
big bang boom you get it right through yet more, not happens. The worse things are you you actually want you. This whole philosophy of the Senate is supposed to be this. This saucer the tea cools in it before you pass any because
the past, something it have in emergency. We pay
Something really fast. That's one bad ideas you'll end up getting shot through the door. When I look at the retention of early views, Jim I'm look at the potential for abuse. Her ass. I say this pails compared to tat
but does it make it remotely? Ok, but it pails Dhaka created new categories of movement. It it took the idea of prosecutors describe
and it turned it into a fast- you can't collectively declined to prosecute, but that does not discretion involved in, but
but the the potential here is absolutely enormous,
Stephen more who seems to have been the architect of this, put out a press.
These nine seconds after President Chump announced these executive order, in which he said there
She is now fifty fifty the Democrats are going to have to suit to raise taxes. Ok he's, please,
by the politics of it
But where is the limiting principle that
Be nice, wouldn't it for any president to be able to say I am not
to enforce taxis during an election year, but they will be
at the end of it, and I
Congress will drop them. If I win, which is what Trump said
that's not how the system works. You caught have taxes being in full,
unless there is an election year.
You can't have say they lost.
Being onerous unless the president is down in the polls.
That's that's a recipe not not just for caprice.
And chaos, but is also a recipe for corruption.
Leave those laws are unacceptable. Repeal
what I want to know about. You mentioned the long term. Consequences of this is, is: are you
of the view that
This will now be come the norm that democratic President's will do. Republican president's will do
I will just shrugging remember the time when we had a meaningful separation of powers, or do you think
anything in the more sophisticated programs argument that you read on the right, which is look the only points at which the people who defended this approach.
Back during the Obama administration will learn is if we do it to them and then they'll be a ceasefire, mutually assured destruction.
We were so Congress to its rightful place, but I think that
effective? In that very rarely works? I think when it comes to fighting dirty the laughter always willing to go much further and it ain't. I dont think that, just on a purely first principles basis, I just don't
think there is any justification. Among those terms, the faint I'm curious about in this particular instance is whether there will be a kind of strange by partisan effect of the exact order, which is that he managed to pump in doing this manage to get bends asked or most get chuck shimmer to agree with Ben says that
is unconstitutional. Slop, I think, was that the term used- and I almost wonder if like this, could actually be supplanted by some kind of by partisan legislative package. Whether this would have a kind of strange effect as if people can
Allie against this principle. I didn't you have thought so now, when suddenly an interesting point
you raised, which is that it's not just
Matter of the sand
per SE having its prerogatives usurped, but its Republicans too
and one of the problems back in
He doesn't thirteen fourteen
was it in order to make the case against Obama's behavior, you had to say what you know: Republicans one the house in twenty ten and for those people who
Republicans that was unconvincing here, I think its object
It's not just that President Trump has.
Taken away the power of.
Sumo Nancy Pelosi he's also
undermining the author.
T of all of those Republicans in the Senate who
said no. This is about
partisan rejection, which Trump has
skated by an. I think
Should focus some minds even those
at a purely cynical purely outcome, oriented the president has but his own party
he has taken away. Essentially the votes of republican voters who chose to put the-
public candidate for Senate in their rather than a democrat,
so we have now reached the point at which this is now
purely a Democrat Verses Republic,
and left be right, question butter
Question of branch, free branch- and I I'm interested
by that idea. Man, I don't have a great deal of faith, that Congress will rise up and reassert itself cause. The dirty little secret here is that the vast majority of people in Congress in an election year don't want to take difficult votes and don't want to be accused of backing
the president as far as Republicans a concern, which is what they would have to do to override a veto. James, you have thoughts on the likelihood of that.
You know again, it's been deeply that, on the one hand I up earlier this week, I was thinking about how any part
He has a hard time standing up to their own president has just spoken a cake right Youtube. You, you got a fight with your own
The president of your own party, the present, can
Let's get back at you, you're, always in a situation like the presidency. Do favors whether you know you are you district? Given you a fundraiser, so this bay,
in the nature of our of our modern politics, member
of Congress are not eager to really stand up for their own president Neva President in
who loves to lash out of people who pays him off? Who love?
to get revenge will love, you saw immediately. He went off on this tirade about then saw events ass right. So
you got this almost perfect storm, which has very few incentives to do the right thing.
To say, Mr President, you don't really have them, but if I may,
with those Sheila Jackson, Lee Example, in this kind of gradually creeping attitude towards the war powers act. Members of Congress want to support something if its popular
and then, if its unpopular, they want to run fleeing, they don't have anything to do with it, and so his baddest, as tromp, has been during this debate,
a majority of Republicans who are still in Congress throbs if you're a of them in the house- and there used to be our comfortable with this, because Trop takes most of the flag
Tromp goes often crazy directions and they sometimes at the hide from reporters, but by large they get to. You
hunker down and stay in their it's a generally stayin officer, they hope to stay in office.
And here the rub, my suspicion is that we saw massive waves of Republicans retired,
the twenty eight eighteen retiring in this cycle,
It's because members refer members. The house realise this is
the job is now you're sort of a figure out. You don't really do you you're, not
Colleagues, branch of government.
You're, just somebody who is like one of the lower lower cheer acts in
endless circuses, the Trump administration, and so I go
I can get why they do that, but in the end, this is up. If you dont want these
institutional duties, Joe ROD,
for Congress. You think it would be the prerequisite to running for Congress the desire to be in Congress.
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King of destroying monuments and store fronts and pretty much anything else. It gets in the way, the right
its arrived in Chicago over the last couple of days was:
looting of shopping mall battles with police.
The business district approximate cause
of this unrest was a shooting.
The police were called to the scene on
not a man who they claim shots at them the.
Shot. Man is still alive, he's at the University of Chicago Hospital. His expert
did to survive, but this was enough in and of itself to kick off another night,
of unrest Maddy. What should take yesterday?
There? Are several layers of historians and the first is just the way
which social media just mobile,
eyes is an.
And political activity, and sometimes not the most accurate or constructive way, to put it mildly. Acts of the police. Their side of the story is that this
was in response to or the pretext for this looting wasn't responds to this information. So they, as you summarised, they said that there was enacted
Future giddy Shaw. I think he was to a twenty year old mail. This was posted on Facebook as then having Shaw Office, your own fifteen year old boy in the face I am. This was then a call to arms and I think the suggestions that this was busily organised
criminals just like taking advantage of mass hysteria, and what do you think we too can of immediate thoughts ass I am, and the first is that
given that there was for warning- and he could see this built up online, why were you
they able to can see it coming
and do more to stop it, and I think, if you, if you zoom out, abandoned the cat and the Democrats Mare lorry like that she's handled the various stages of the of the riots. Ah, it's it's been. The same pattern
most democratic windows policies have, which is just a lot of virtue, signalling and not a lot of decisive action. This was slightly worsened as well. In that one saturday she had taken to Twitter to tell of some some bathers
I think she's? She said it's called a pandemic people and services reckless behaviour. The fact that I think was mostly gay man actually conquered
eating with their short self. Am I
and yet back in July Sheet treated, say
it hurts unequivocal support for further for the protesters expressing their first amendment rights. So there's things just like there's a pattern here. People are getting fed up and then I think the most damning statement, in my view, came from the police
Candide, who said am basically said criminal. This happened because criminals knew that they could take to the streets in this way and nor have any consequences
Russia's so when your own, please superintendent, saying that I think that you really need to Kenneth get your act together.
So Jim S Mighty says: Laura Lightfoot, the mayor of Chicago, has been all over the place in her rhetoric and displayed some very brazen double standards
we think this is fair. I read a lorry life, its condemnation of the list
She said this was a brazen and criminal looting and destruction. This is not anywhere near acceptable and I thought what acceptable is interesting, because
The implication that- and this is posted in my reading by her other statements- has been that some of the pre
This violence has been acceptable, or at least it has
in over exuberance in the service of a legitimate cause, whereas
With this she say owner. Don't do that. That takes it too far,
What extent is she now suffering? The consequences of her own unwillingness to condemn law break
earlier in the cycle-
say this is not the first time magnificent mile in Chicago about attack. There is video of people.
Whole crowds rampaging into the Nike store and come out with shoe boxes and t shirts and everything they could possibly get their hands on
So this has happened before not that long ago.
In fact, I think somebody observed that the glass and the Nike store did not get broken. This time they may have upgrade
To a much more impact, resistant glass
muttered reality of being in downtown city in twenty twenty. I can wonderful.
Week is gonna, be see if this turns out to be a factor in the twenty twenty, no elections in November,
and things do not turn out as badly for the Republicans as people think nothing. It suits the
The future is still written on this. I think this past
It may be seen as a turning point. This kind of interests, couplet just two things. The first is the New York Times wrote this peace deeply report
from Seattle and said you know, a good headline was abolished the police, those who survived the cast in Seattle, art so sure what
over, say hey. This is what I was hearing from social media on the ground. The whole time
describe a harrowing experience of calling for help and being left alone
Now this ran ah
August seventh, it was covering events that occurred in July and Home
people who say hey. This is what I was hearing for social media on the ground, the whole time, the rest than you
Are you telling me this is all hunky dory? That's all just a big street festival and nobody needed the cops nonsense, but
if there is this like this giant sudden correction in which the New York
that await actually I'm when, when they too
to do away with the policeman and the Bob
over a neighborhood in Seattle. It didn't turn out as well as we initially thought. So then, you
But I saw this feeling that this
what we are seeing your initial yearly son Seattle than you sought in Portland
that there was not necessarily get a breakthrough and make
Turn, MRS Middle America feel nervous about this part.
Because Seattle, Agile and Portland have these reputations of these cities full of weirdos. We
report Landy Seattle, had the protests going back. The deputy o, the ninety nineties,
Ok, they have a bunch of crazy lefties out there, that's kind of it they ve always been, etc.
The image Monday morning
then raising the bridges on the river in Chicago,
the old Charley. You probably have noticed everything I know about the world entirely comes from movies
and I was reminded of that meant- begins which ended. You know that there is a fear gas spreading. Oliver Gotham City and people are losing their minds, it is
Chaos is anarchy and they raised the bridges to contain the boy.
Once and anarchy life is
imitating art and what was supposed to be a porter.
Of a city beyond Control
Unfortunately, there is no Batman,
and so here's this kind of this interesting oak. This can happen and she got up. This can happen in downtown Chicago.
Until recently, we thought Chicago was the place where the biggest menace, where these Muggah hat wearing maniacs you're, going around attacking actors
so from empire? Buddy
now this. This magnificent mile can be read out the trashed with graffiti in such ah that you can see. My understanding was that it was a
cd, just saying that the people coming up with new horse and just click.
Not the stores of everything they could get their hands on. There is a pattern here and ate the Republican.
They make this case, something anybody who we know, praise
That right now you have this pattern of the Plaza Lightfoot in Chicago,
TED Wheeler and Jenny darkening in Portland in Seattle,
I'm just shrink in the face of this serious threat: law abiding citizens, private property
and in the end, like we're talking that less segment about members of Congress, you don't really want to do the job of being a member of Congress
here you have mayors who don't really wanna be mayor,
they don't want to enforce the laws they don't want to be in this position. They don't want to confront this problem because doing
so might alienates some of their political allies, or, I suspect they fear they'll, have a challenge from the left. Guess what? What
this is the job you signed up, for this is the job you campaign for get out there and do it, but they will.
And I think there is an argument that, even if this is your, even if these cities are always gonna, be electing Democrats almost worth.
You're, probably some people, the nineteen eighties, without report that the New York, whenever Lecter Republican there
Basically Republicans can say: look we have our loss, we're not perfect.
But we understand that there must be law there must be order and that just because
who claim to be acting in the name of a noble cause,
they can't run run and things they can't still thinks it can destroy the people's property. I think that's a message
Americans will go for and I think that the new dynamic
that's really skating on thin ice, and I think that
times. Article saying hey, Seattle, didn't turn out so well, was an hour
important indicator of Mattie. What's your reason that as conservatives sate fairly
in many cases that the city
he's in which these problems tend to arise
and by the Democratic Party in so many
instructing people to go and vote is unlikely to change.
My Chicago I believe- has not had a republican man since nineteen thirty one
almost a century.
So merely putting not billboards and saying how important it is to turn up at the ballot box is unlikely to choose
change a great deal and yes, it is true that voters close to those cities-
often do change their voting habits as a result of this sort of activity, and one reason
Illinois as estate used to,
Read in presidential elections was crime
Chicago States, Democrat controlled.
But Illinois was not undergo
this Jim says. If you push it too far,
you will end up with Republicans in charge,
We saw in New York with
de Giovanni, or the only just cosmic pointed this out this week- that
Giuliani one that watershed election with fifty one percent of the vote
was. It was not a landslide, so I wanted to do you think that that is
clear that this will
changed their minds or
bake. Ten oil, perhaps is its trump, and is the Republican Party likely to suffer because people say well, look through the president is well. There is obviously there there's some kind of amusing.
Maybe in New York just network where I am there's been this mass accidents of older, the rich lip
Rules are now in the hunt, and it's just funny because a lot of the people who hold these views about well actually to find the place. Yes actually wherever they live in nice, affluent gated contingencies and their able to get out of the danger areas. I think that ordinary teach, the Americans, you don't have that kind of luxury. I mean, if you look at it,
if you look at pulling data as patients, appertains to polarization generally do find that they actually people are not anywhere near as partisan as
politicians assuming they are there there. Actually there did you really care, mostly about Braden piece. You know it's kind of consent that actually went on a day to day level being able to live in safety security. So fundamental that I,
see that translating into voting you, as you see the issue, be it be very easy to,
sadly that or to overplay it, but I definitely think is created an opening for serious law and order. Candidate for public and candidates can make the case for why what they are offering is so important right now. I think of
opposite that, in the background, while you were speaking, we get here- police sirens,
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Institute. So yesterday morning began to bubble up.
Twitter that all is not well in the world of college football. I'm currently taking a break
from twitter. But whenever something interesting happens on twitter people send me the tweets
I saw the five or six offending tree
and I must say my heart sank where I am in nor Florida college? Football is absolutely
enormously popular. It is rare on a SEC
day to see. Anyone who isn't wearing either Florida gaiters shirt or Georgia
Shot or whatever team they started
back home before they move to North Florida.
Jim, I dont, know to what extent your college football fan, but I know you're a big sports
in general. Does this-
worry you in terms of sports for
anti, twenty and also in terms of the fall in twenty twenty.
Yeah I'd on all these levels? My interesting college football is generally well enough
that's gonna be terrible celebrities. Who's gonna be drafting next year,
What year did the going gets its easy thing to rid forty shift from Cuba, team
a great deal very sorry that I have a quick story bit the jets. When I was some a tourist I am actually I went to a jet skis,
when I got one it was massive found this before it lead to New York. I got massive bomb finger
an exciting year with my boyfriend at the time with his thick form fire as somebody behind us. When who would buy a phone finger, we saw a good. I think I just spout totally deflated and just like then the thing
today than they did lose lacking so
That is the image. What which your wasn't I when I saw, which.
Could you two twenty four twenty fourteen
yeah late, regulate late, Rex, Ryan earlier Todd Balls, the others are bad. You and I are very close to my sympathies. Are you
Mary observed retreated better than some guy. Take you to a gesture, but at least I gotta meet somebody, guinea positivity an obligation, but she did say boy friend at the time since she cleared away ass soon ass. I got rid of very light, be college what
all is a really big deal, not just in the south, but in a whole bunch of parts of the country where there isn't a protein,
wherein you know whether it Sir Gainsborough Happy Valley in Pennsylvania.
By and large they. These are parts of the country where the euro. This is what you do on saturdays. This is what you get it
about maybe watch you call
Game Day, where you see pretty much, not just the entire camp us, but the entire community com
in these swarms by some of the biggest stadiums, the country or college Football Stadium,
Ah, whose university of Michigan I want to say, their attendance is more than a hundred thousand people, because these are huge deals,
and obviously this is. This is almost a kinda cancelling Christmas. This is it disappear,
went on an epic scale for some of these communities. I suppose
you could try to from that. Try to extrapolate. You know. What's the mood of the country going to become November in know second, a b,
badly for incumbents, or is people and to people in a bad mood will probably have a lot of reasons to be in a bad mood. Come before
But the indicate and looked it people come to recognise that this fur and are a little while ago the NBA
and prepares a bubble the innate shall can put pay.
There's an to canadian cities and get through it. Ok, baseball,
had some bumps in the road. Thank you, Florida Marlins, I'm sorry, my anymore allowance
in my mind. That is not necessarily the whole state with the money back
the video games for closing the college football- it's just tougher, the rosters are bigger. More players are on the field there
crashing into each other. It's gonna be really tough to prevent the spread and this kind of
this thing? Is there any way to get the pull this off?
first they said we're not going to go out of conference games and now, over the last forty eight hours it looks like the season is likely, the other canceled entirely or maybe one or two conferences are going to try to do it, and maybe some teams will not go along with the decision of their conference. It look.
If we get any college football, this fall. It's gonna be very, very limit.
And this can be bought daddy bummer for a lot of people, but I think it's more. He can't indicates locked
This has been an ordeal haven't talked of myself
who are like it. Oh, how much longer this asking to go on.
My kids and yet we ve all been putting up with this since at least mid March, but the french
look. I've got your middle of August. You know we ve had occasioned, cancel the can't trout, the Americans. Can you move the country? You know
it's gotta be over soon right I'll, maybe not
The end is, as we get closer to winter.
Flew season begins, you'd, like to think that the isolation we ve been doing would minimize the spread of that, but it can put on the matter
experts tell people since I flew shots available, go out and get it because you don't wanna, be they don't look at the hospitals deal with everybody. Have the flew at the same time?
MR done with a groan, the ours we're supposed,
You get the vaccine late this year or next year, probably will
distributed on a massive scale until let's say late winter early spring,
we may or may not have football this this this fall. We may have another miserable winter ahead of us. What a more intriguing idea is being kicked around is the idea of doing spring Football in college.
We have that option. You feel you know what else is, even though stadiums and you can probably arrange it-
Maybe that would be a good idea. Maybe it worked out for love. These teams butter, you just another, one, more giant bitter
Hilda swallow in a year were all just you, Philip about one after another, just a deeply frustrating set of circumstances,
As I have to say, this chemist
little bit of a surprise to me most of the sports obsessive sit. I now had been predicting this, but it felt to me because I'm such a big baseball,
fan the things for improving, perhaps purely because I've got to watch baseball every night for the last two weeks, and also
the schools are reopening hair in Florida and the cases, certainly in my county, really are dropping and
a bunch of people, I'm friendly with have started flying again- and I was
getting the impression hey this. This looks like it's
moving a little bit, and then this. This
news, came came out of the
now maybe I know you're, not a college football fans,
I am proud of the way you could say that. Surely my story indicated greatly,
You wasn't, I believe your first exposure to the game was who's. The guy is an
see you ran away from the chamber with scoring gangs up the plaza professionals,
I'm a college for boyfriend mighty, but but I will
whether you sheds my growing sense of up
amazing or whether it
in myself in this fits perfectly within your worldview and anticipation. Well, I don't I don't.
I had many expectations because it's not something I spend an awful lot of time thinking about, but my two thoughts as a person who doesn't spend a lot. I think about this- is that the first is for in terms of safety for the players themselves, like, I should have thought. Football was quite dangerous. Gave a baby I'm missing something here, but I would have thought they could be
there's, but there's a quite a high risk of injury in not gave anyway and so throwing and kept the chance of catching curative. Ices is maybe now that that different in terms of the risks of the target, at least for the players themselves, that the bigger issue- I think his is obviously the domino effect that this has on the economy, because I didn't quick Google of how much different universities actually get in revenue from football.
Absolute enormous and in Alabama thickest, seventy seven million and and six point five million of that goes to their academic programmes and that this would have a really devastating effect. I think a knock on effect on so many other aspects of life Ford.
For these communities, where cultural as a really big thing, in that say nothing about people who have scholarships mean if you're a male player. I think my understands you have a biological clock elements. Are you
I have so many years to can it really show show you what your potential
So it really sad. In that respect, I am and also I suppose, as yet. If there s some conferences pillow, it then every kind of
it's an aspects on the on the home on the whole thing.
I'm a matching like the World CUP, where Lake ITALY, France and Spain, or in it and in well, if you know, there's only three countries participating they would, it would really be a victory for us
These trapping ships went ahead and I don't really know so. I think there's there's a law all far, there's a lot of consequences that would come from from something like TAT, so it should be done.
Lately, yeah, that's one reason. While, though, a number of people said to me, I'm not sure
that we're gonna get college football and I fell for that matter-
I thought because, as you said, this is a fact
billion dollar industry and we don't need to relocate
issues with the way the end seat at last set up, but maybe
Absolutely right that this is one
the main funnels of money into colleges and it doesn't just affect their sports programmes so Jimmy
any thoughts on how that's going to affect not just the college's per se, but but football going forward
We have already given up marsh madness of these traditional spring basketball torment, which is a huge ratings and has
before. I guess we're up to sixty eight teams, which you have the playing games and stop at a huge deal
both for the networks for advertisers for all,
schools that participate
back on the blog of Independent Glenn Reynolds and he's been talking about the coming collapse of higher education or the bursting bubble of higher education. Some people might say, ok ready for it
will the burst by now, but this is
hasn't been the bursting of a bottle. It has been a slow motion process, but you are starting to see
universities and colleges are realising all we ve, gotten used to being able to high population
well beyond the range of rate of inflation year after year.
Decade after decade we may
at the ceiling of what people can afford to pay, even when they get loans, even with government aid, etc, etc, and now,
all of a sudden, like one of those one of the legs of the stool, that's holding him up and get kicked out there they're not going to have all that free revenue from college sports that are used to having.
Stanford University, which ass you think the third biggest down
the country out of their getting rid of my
but I think I have a close to a dozen of their non revenue generating sports. They are you, don't you get a lot of money from rowing competitions from gymnast,
takes from volleyball all the other sports in a perfectly good sports, and God bless every student athletes who participated, but unfortunately, there
shone on yes, piano through saturdays and on Fox and on ABC Ansari Nights. So you don't
the giant television revenue, so you don't get the money come in and so people in other generally, the revenue from football in basketball has managed to support these sports and you stand for university with
giant endowment is saying we can't afford to keep doing this a lot
schools are gonna. Look at this and say I don't know we can get you these programmes at all
and there may be some schools that have set their thinking about not keeping their college football programme that the that they're, not with one of the ones, as you know, get
huge numbers of victories at huge corporate sponsors and selling out large luxury boxes and, in other ways to make money.
Some schools might look at the cost and the cost of the programme and what its bring it in saying. This isn't necessarily worth it
For those of us who thought that college, the higher
the drastically needed some sweeping reforms,
for those of us who thought that the college athletics world was increase,
returning corrupt under the sea, I basically colleges had decided to become the developmental leagues for the NFL Nba in that
This was not yet it more and more colleges restraining away from their purpose, which was to educate young people.
Maybe this is the latest unnecessary. Some some improvements down the road, but for now it's gonna, be supremely painful for
what schools at basically believed
the money which is gonna keep flowing in for ever and ever we know it's been interrupted for one year and my
taking suspicion. Is that we're gonna have long land
sting lingering changes to our culture. I couldn't do our sports halter couldn't
dear, that you know produced knock account the outcome,
baseball, compile statistics for this year to all previous
from his only sixty games. How do you compare yoga
got. Nobody knows who, as you know in the NBA championship, because the
this giant interruption to the year, some guys
opted out it's gonna, be nothing and twenty twenty
really going be comparable to what happened before and we're hoping
back to normal, but none of us so many real idea about when normal will will soon be back in our lives. On that depressing night,
try and injected levity. With light items muddy
your mom is discovered. Facebook felt.
So I'm sorry it raises is great and the timely that's too have wasted
not only talking to your family. You live abroad,
but seeing them until they and my mom is very, I should add, very smart accomplished woman. I'm just thinks that there's nothing more, listen, listen
then these filters that turn you into a watermelon Nord turn you into our bunny, rather r, R, Elvis Presley and
This actually happened. First, initially by accident were having quite serious position actually, but I wouldn't have it bore you with the details on that, in any case, young pit some button and there she was Elvis, and then she just I'm, also has distinguished cheek when she starts laughing. The cheap Fichu just starts like crying with laughter and she won't stop and scary infectious, so yeah, she's she's been really enjoying.
The Facebook filters and, as I have I am indirectly contribute. One is really bad me, I'm sorry, I don't think anti matter is going to make it a lot about which you know with the would be kind of like very glad we didn't. You know we have very
access to give other month my mom's English Charlie's eating habits mentioned she before. We should suppose makes me half English, but that's enough
story and certainly not a late April. We all have our crossness too bad Jim you,
I think everyone is in the same boat. You
in previous editions of this podcast. You know with came later, I dont talked about
doing online happy hours and socially distance Getty others with the other parents and our kids
Autonomy of the day there are certain people, I'm hearing from more often certain friends
through online forms of chat. Then I did before the pandemic when we would have to be about a pick up the phone and talk to each other and
our conversations are generally how you doing- and you will quickly really
everybody's in the same boat
everybody's got the same problems: everybody's color in the kitchen.
Not so that I can have school. The fourth online learning is ridiculous:
Are you going anywhere here? Maybe go someplace buddy know they said they want a fourteen everybody
in the same situation. I wrote
first morning jolt of the weak talkin about if your
in a tough time getting through this. Any of you feel it. Your wits end failure. You re a tear, your hair up. It's ok
because everybody's in this situation, you're not alone yogurt,
doing that bad. If your
if you're on this side of the dirt you're doing. Ok, if you kids learned anything during distance learning, you did a good job if you're still employed. You do want something right,
you, this kind of the sense I dont know, if people give themselves enough credit,
forgetting through what is a really challenging time, and so every time I talk to my friends, the feel of a better on this front.
And it's that recognition that no there,
nobody out there who is, as you know, were whipping up
amazing recipes every day and you know were figuring out and then they ve lost twenty pounds, and you know I think everybody is struggling with this in one form or another. You just may not be able to see it. So if you haven't-
our time. It's ok, you just major human being and we're going through a really extraordinary time and jump
with everybody else. You have the sense of ok world this boat together and we lost,
through these stormy seas, one way or another and where there is a shared hardship, the world and look back on this and laugh someday
This is a nice little subway to my light item, which is Daniel TIGERS. Pbs kid show that is.
Based on Mr Rogers, Miss
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I welcome one
annual Tiger is a nice revolves around lessons that are extremely useful for kids, tells
when their feeling angry that count to ten chosen its normal to be upset or feel jealous and
it's been greatly just subscribe to this PBS Amazon Prime Channel, I suppose you would call it
get this, and it really show issue that kid's absorb water.
It is watching and if my kids watch
Jake and the Neverland pirates, for example, on Disney Plus,
and I have to scald more tell them not to stand on the table or to put down a fork
they will say are sir response, which is not really what I'm looking for. But with Daniel
funny internalize the lessons, but they feed them back to how this
To be well behaved or feeling
little bit angry at being scalded, but that's, ok,
jingles that they sing.
Sir. If you haven't watched Daniel Tiger and you have young kids, I would recommend that not as the only kid show within the color
but certainly as a corrective to the pirate space robot spider man convey about, on which you have probably
yourself. Last item is editors pick
Mary. What's yours,
I really enjoyed a rich, Russia's. Why trumps losing peace? I thought it boys both forceful unfair, which
is a rare combination when discussing the president, so I thought that was agreed, which I highly recommend
as a magazine, peace, its now up on the shore good outcome,.
Jim Geraghty? What's your prejudice pick
readers. Probably noticed the threat was the democratic primary had kept. Her did a series of articles
The democratic candidates called twenty things, you're probably didn't know about, and each candidate and Fred flights who has worked
in the national security profession to road a kind of a good aim, because five more things you probably know, that's his rice, Susan Rice is being speculate as likely choice for Joe Biden to be running mate,
by the time you hear this, you may notice listeners, but without the ring made is
obviously I would not ordinary, like somebody else coming along, say: haters, more stop. Jim should have mentioned
ah, but friends is a very nice job. With this now lay psychology a good perspective on Rice,
duties, how she handled it and what it was like to serve under that and all the
They may plenty of reasons for conservatives, be nervous plenty of reasons for Americans to think we have a,
Europe elbowed bureaucrat who is very good at covering her tail
but not necessarily getting the job done. Read it check it out and heat it. Hopefully this will be a maybe this will not be bigger. This'll be irrelevant a couple of days because their houses and rice is probably gonna have some job
by demonstration, you should read
and be prepared for that eventuality. I think now,
every time you right one of your twenty things you may not know about. I'm gonna write a follow up the says. One thing: Jim Geraghty, Miss
Just like that, I presented at first when I didn't put Benghazi and then there's a bit
what did I read your book bagasse because you know about bagasse,
you probably didn't know nostril, that's my added
Spic. Is the series of peace? Is that one of our summer interns Luther ABLE wrote free
Portland Oregon. He volunteered to go out there and witness the unrest
in his been writing. It up went down to earth
protest outside a police station spoken to some locals and done a bunch of
two views. All of them are interesting and worth reading, and
And while them up that
is all we have this week you ve been listening to the editors. She say national review.
Podcast I've been filling in this week for rich Larry and other guests have been Jim, Dirty and Madeline
since we will be back later in the week with a second episode. Until then thanks to the broadly foundation on the Claremont
Institute and to all of you for listening, we will see,
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