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Episode 285: The Electors Have Spoken

2020-12-15 | 🔗

Today on The Editors, Rich, Charlie, and Michael discuss the Supreme Court’s dismissal of the Texas lawsuit, speculate on how well Mitch McConnell will work with the Biden administration, and look at some wild calls for state secession.

Editors’ picks: • Rich: Jimmy Quinn • Charlie: KDW’s “The Tuesday” • MBD: Andy McCarthy

Light items: • Rich: Another great sports call • Charlie: Making a gingerbread house • MBD: Holiday cookie making

Sponsors: BRCC Claremont’s podcast The American Story

The Editors is hosted by Rich Lowry and produced by Sarah Schutte.

This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
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No we're not gonna hear this case from Texas. You had a Lido and Thomas saying. Well, actually we should hear it, but we're not gonna say we give Texas, Sir Remedy, that some of you are this kind of cases of so called original jurisdiction. The springboard basically just needs to take them up. Our regardless of them, pirates trump another set of work, the Supreme Court just dead, duck out in a cowardly way and relied on this technicality of standing to avoid grappling with the evidence of fraudulent election. That's all around us what he make it as we discuss lifetime standing is not a technical. standing as a normal part of the system and, if applied properly, which it often is not, is a great guarantor of federalism and protector of liberty
I am not well versed enough in the doctrine of original jurisdiction to know whether, in this case, a litter and Thomas were correct. My uneducated view, ass, expressed on the last night, Sort of this podcast was that I could not see the standing argument and that I believed conservatives would regret this case being taken and rule. upon either way it is worth reiterating that this was not eight. Seven too. Decision. It was not the case that to justice is cited with the Trump Administration either in the specifics of this suit. All the
we're arching claim that the election was stolen. Nobody did they never got that far and the Dissent from the denial was clear to point out that this was not a decision that should be conceived of ass, a pre echo of any merits based jurisprudence. The case here was weak. to suspend a lot of time fighting over what seemed like technicalities. over the ancillary parts of the law. I cannot believe that, had this reached the court It would have been anything other than nine nothing. It seems to me that we have
the end of the road. This was, according to the president. The big push huge news and it got Nowhere didn't even draw one just saying that he believed it would prevail on the merits. The electoral college yesterday confirmed that the next president of the United States is Joe Biden Mitch. Mcconnell, the Senate Majority leader congratulated Joe Biden this morning for having the election which he did if this process that silly two weeks ago it looks ridiculous.
Every avenue has been exhausted if there were an enormous plan, a plot. If there were a massive evidence of wrong doing, if there were enough Miss Castro overturned or fraudulently switch votes to over it, and the result we would have seen them. I doubt that has ever been an investigation into an election as rigorous as this one. I doubt. I've ever been more court cases in more different places. I doubt anyone has ever seen a case of the sort that Texas brought to the Supreme Court. This is done and it shouldn't have taken the Supreme Court to tell us that so little
one argument, as I alluded to against a decision as well, that they didn't. They didn't consider that the merits of this doesn't really tell us anything, but one. It's it's kind of a site in this particular case is not a technical question. Whether taxes has the ability to challenge the election results in other states like that sort of the whole Balkan, but almost simultaneously, I guess, maybe the next day a federal judge in Wisconsin other Trump nominee. He tramped nominated him this year, Ganem Ludwig. he took up a case and said you know what Trump team you do have standing in in this case and we're going to rule on the merits of your various claims and their three of them having to do with very selection procedures in Wisconsin, and he said none of them had any merit whatsoever. In fact, one of the items they're complaining about which one exactly now but
I wasn't something undertaken in an underhand way right before this election, it was a rule, had been standing since prior to the twenty sixteen election. So this is Then a thread throughout a lot of that decision. Smacking down the trump lawyers witches could have objected to the stuff beforehand. If you thought it was terrible, but you didn't because you're just looking for reason after the fact to try to overturn your loss right. No, it's been interesting to mean one of the reasons the Texas loss. It should have even if it had standing at any time is because The other lawsuits in the states that Texas had a problem with were failing right, I mean it was sort of like an end, run attempt. And what we ve seen is something trash. Barrow pointed out.
which is whenever Republicans, can give Entirely symbolic support to President Trump in this effort. They seem inclined to do so. But when were he's tries to solicit actual help. State legislators or puts the matter for judges who he pointed or who were in a republican appointees. Before conservatives, the consistently declining to help him- and you know one of the kind of. Interesting things about this right has been for all the talk of trumps attempted coup I mean this was all done out in the open lawfully and what you saw was a kind of stir class that the present in the United States has no
ability to pressure these local institutions and these local courts and in fact the courts have a huge ability to temper. the claims that Trump is making, it least, legally speaking, raining there your penalties for wasting. Courts time with nonsense, their penalties for making charges. You know to be false or completely. Unsubstantiated an accord and the threat of us penalties as Andy Mccarthy keeps pointing out on her site, has consistently slimmed down these. Challenges until they're, not material, to the election has been, it's a little weird, though, because we now have like a tooth back politics or these more explicitly to track than ever of what the presidency waiting and, what's being sad, Amr in other, more power
it was right, media networks and outlets, and then what happening in court, which is most entirely disconnected from the tweets and what's. What spreading on Instagram twitter and on you know, away and network and I'm wondering what I'm still left wondering what that legacy is going to be or how long nets sustainable in oh, if, if there are, people out there who were still think there's some me away before Joe Biden is inaugurated. You know It's their offer, amp what there were, who did they blame? Did they turn on Trump Trump seems too, you think so I don't think so I don't think so you re me, it's also is it is. This is also leave the legacy of Trump.
Bringing in all these people who are kind of marginally attached to the system is that people are. Actually touched the system. of guardians you know they're fine people. They don't know how the voting works, so they don't know how to trust it. They don't know that you know you don't know about election observers and- how d you know that the very mechanics of the election in southern they are more susceptible to these theories of the fix being in to say mention, imagine tweets that were according early Tuesday afternoon, right after Mcconnell gave a speech on a set of floor aggression, by then the twitter crazier than than ever. There was a retweet, I know her sister, but by trumps, telling Nuttin retreat somehow doc But then there was a retreat of little of Linwood tweet saying that camp.
and rafts Beggar should go to jail with an image of captain rafts burgle wearing Chinese Communist Party. Faced man, another there always tweets about. Dominion still end allegation that dominion switching seventy percent of the votes so try. I obviously trumpets and no meat note mood to consider about reality anytime soon and the latest tack to cut it. Keep this effort, which theoretically alive, you had trouble actors and these contested states appointing themselves. I guess as electors. I don't know how that would work. They they say, there's some president in Hawaii, when in nice, sixty the governor appointed Nixon electors, Kennedy, electors appointed themselves, saying in the recount Kennedys, but when actually Kennedy did win in the recount and then the
Governor ended up sending both slates onto Washington and the Kennedy electors were accepted with Vice President Nixon presiding, because some Kennedy had had actually work. but I'm not sure I have seen people saying that the Senate will have to cover. It will have to take up this trouble actors, regardless of how absurd the factor of them pointy themselves is. But what would you take on this? The big picture answer to this question is that if this plan were exit it did, it would represent a coup. Every system in the world has an escape hatch. Every system in the world is ultimately reliant upon its participants, good faith. We hear a great deal about the electoral college about
eighteenth century nature of our system, but you could overturned an election in any system in a parliamentary system the president could having lost the election. He would, of course, be a prime minister simply call another one that would be doable. within a parliamentary system and would also be a disgrace. The idea is to hijack the mechanisms of our electorate. and use them to parachute the losing candidate in for a second time. This is a totally different thing than using the system as it was designed so much nonsense spoken in our politics about the electoral College, about the Senate.
But the national popular vote for this, so that about federalism we all know the rules. The rules include the electoral college. The rules include the Senate. These out there There is nowhere system room for the hijacking of the electoral college by alternative slates. There is Nobody who went into this election or other election thinking that the losing candidate spent enough time complaining about the result costing passions about the process that he could prevail, on state legislatures or keep it open ended for as long as possible. By convening alternative slates.
I understand that there is a precedent here. I unjust and that there is a process here I am stand that technically the electoral code jeez vote yesterday was not final, I know can be challenged, but that's a relevant. We are not looking at an escape hatch moment if, for example, we got two January second,
And so much evidence of fraud came to light that the Biden team set you know up at last, I lost by a lot. Seventy percent of the country voted for the president's. Somehow it looked ill of different shop. We can talk about what not to do in that scenario. But that's not what's happened here. This is an attempt to cheat and I think more cynically, it's an attempt to keep alive the hopes of people who should never have had any hope. In the first place, once the votes had been counted, Again it is, it is time to move on that. There is a time during every prospective conservative victory.
that fringe websites, such is the daily coast, put together Lunatic scheme, those who follow Senate procedure will know what I'm talking about they were gonna stop Cavanaugh from being seated. Sure merit Garland was seated they're gonna stop Amy Coney Barrett from being seated they are going to make sure that the Senate would meet and be thirty eight of them. Now be a core I'm going to some rule from nineteen twenty six that they found and its risible Every time a happens, conservative laugh They say we're allowed to win too well. I, like Joe Biden, aren't like the don't. Party the you allowed to winter, and he did and
trying to burn down the system is not only deeply unsportsmanlike and deeply corrosive to our culture, but it will set president there will obviously be used next time conservatives win. This is this: is insanity so Michael? You ve had sent Republicans now coming out, yet whole bunch yesterday, Monday that different than than the usual crew in a have Sassy and Romney to me spoken out against this, but this reach further into the cock as yet corn and soon Alexander other saying time give this up and then as we mentioned earlier Mcconnell this morning. Given his speech on the
set of floor. This is significant, not just cause it leave. These must these people have been quiet while Trump is pursued these claims, but if trumps scenarios can have any hope, you need the Senate to accept trump. Actors, and you have many many many more now Republicans that than you do your trunk troubling you to hold all. But yes, three, three Republicans or something, and the number is now much bigger than that. Obviously they're not going to go with the rope trouble actors in anything. How much whatever yeah I mean? It's like you, said: there's one like a real help, material help in turning. The election is solicited in no takes it up. You know no one known elected takes it up. or no one in a position of authority takes it up. That's a good
and you know, It will be interesting, though, to see in our current looking at some of these senatorial statements and some of the reporting in the past. They are so about Joe Biden team reaching out to Mitch Mcconnell AWE and Filling out Mcconnell for where there might be a parcel oh agenda in the future, but if. Trump himself, one two? If you can used to. Be interested in takes end in pure attention seeking, It does seem that he has the ability to kind of mute, Republicans or or freeze their miserable need a move on past him right. I mean it There has been all this like lip service legs it. Maybe
a few weeks ago, maybe in the week after the election. You know the Senate The senators could look at. There is and say I well he's taking a cobbler cases to court. Let's see where this goes and then will speak out afterwards. You know Al Gore had time to to file his suits and get his recounts. So we can wait until a later point but eventually them the machine starts. Turning the g essay starts opening funds for transition and Is this is now happening so it's a Rather, the senators are welcoming that the next president mean in a way what we're dealing with his somewhat uncharted rain. I mean there's. There are no rules about what
it has to say right in like we're out we're almost like com. I don't know inventing this like the centres or some kind of roman court or something who has to approve of the new Caesar they're not, but is good to see them acknowledge reality like that, I'm wondering where, where those who are. persisting in their disbelief. In this light, where Where will they be able to turn to for comfort when carries on like normal in January. there are certain initially, the posture of most centre. Republicans was understandable, if not great gift, some time to process. This year he should be able to pursue recounts in and go into court, that's his right, but they want it when it became actively and explicit An effort to overturn the election there still had there had their heads heads down
is this now there you know, as is timeless as ticked off the clock now now, finally, their speaking out, but that Segouin try to the exit question to you first before this is all over President Tromp were explicitly be attacking and at war with the entire republican carcass Senate Caucus, yes or no. I don't know every instinct I have says yes, of course he well, but then I seen him running campaigns in Georgia in favour of further and left I am aware that his son Don Junior is criticising those who have declared war on all Republicans ass his bright, but I think it is more likely to Praise the hundred and
twenty odd House members, and if there are any senators who join with him and then disparage the others without going all out much to the sea level,. Yeah, I know dungeon you're brings opening tried, means of interesting point donging, how you, sir, I mean it. You don't use donor. Undermining of dog Junior have a great point that it really that same paid boat, I mean it. Don Junior May. Have you know me, be starting to nurse designs on now. Thinking of And its eaten his future or some other alike office, so that event would complicate the all out war with the Republican Party and again that's being that's being the worth Republican Party sort of the province of what remains
of the alt right like these Nick when are these other rabble rousing? There's that showed up at the Jericho March, but you know said that their mission was to do joy, the GEO P. I don't think he's gonna go that far precisely because you know it's the Republican Party, that's going to carry Donald Trump legacy within itself for years to come to whatever degree and so going in all out war against that may not really really be in his. the long term interests of his legacy, whatever that is yes,. I should raise. The word are all out. War I'm getting more at it. Will we be denouncing centre republicans when they more of them come out with these statements and when almost nodded them support
his his electors and maybe maybe close call, but I think he will he held at some point denounce these guys. That kind of the logic of his position lets you find a kind of gives an says. Ok, it's over what I'll see him doing. I think the logic of this position is love lump in these guys in with camp, in Bergen do see and the other alleged trader so was that lets pause and hear from our first sponsor this absurd black rife. Coffee company is a veteran own coffee company serving premium coffee to people who love America veteran Seo, founder of hay for speed over seven years on the ground overseas, with you, a special forces and as a CIA contractor, and then even modified its gun trucks during the invasion of Iraq, to grind coffee anywhere. giving back to those who serve as the core of black rifles culture this year alone.
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that's it! The this is caught up the lines in the phrases we'd go through lessons from never says some or all they says of cut on chemists away from the teleprompter before Tweeting, what he really thinks they they have, they have some power. What did you make a speech? as you know, I read it first on the page. And it seemed like an orator, to know. It seemed like a return to normalcy, I'll, go that far It seemed like the kind of in gently forgettable bit of presidential Guenaud talk is beach that you would get on at any time? and, be boring. And maybe that has its virtues right after four years of Trump right, like that as a matter of,
the national mood just getting a change from the you'd blaring, rhetoric of trumpets and his weird off the cuff asides but then, when I looked at a clip of the speech Biden was like fighting off a car for trying to clears throat throughout much of it, you gonna limped on out too the podium, Colonel limped away because of his foot injury and If this was an attempt at like. Restoring the normal drama of the presidency and kind of actually failed. The kind of. emphasise that no, this is still kind of weird strain the time and we have it. We have An unusual president in Donald Trump
And we may run usual one in Joe Biden, who just seems like much frailer and weaker than the Joe Biden. I think we all know from his Senate career and his careers vice president, so I found it like odd. I mean I know that it. Maybe we ve been out there on the limb on this point just about Joe Biden. frailty and health but, like I just couldn't stop thinking about it. When I look at that clip that you know this This is a guy who looks like he's getting sick, as I'm watching him, and I don't know it Just- was not the kind of confidence restoring tonic that I think. a lot of media outlets are looking for right now, like, I think that the the good will. Joe Biden has in the mainstream media is off the charts and they're looking for ways to praise him he's pint
undermining their effort and return with the past. Diana picks and now the way he's gonna, being off his initial performance, leading up to an alteration day. He had tried credit words daylight, I think, is it's about the election of trust and try to due date. They landed and, unfortunately, their fair and accurate enough, but I disagree with Michael. So I am, I said I agreed it might have sounded like I disagreed us it. I just agree with Michael that I just have a terrible feeling. This normality is never going to arrive and he just seemed ratably fret in a little bit of it, is the length you know which which will presumably go away, but the cough was a little disturbing and, and just this is not a vigorous presents. You know that this is not what we expect.
From from the the american president. Maybe Charlie, might welcome kind of it. A physically reduced president greater finally begin to cut this office down size, but I just fear: there's, there's gonna be son. that then nor maladies not gonna write as it can be some crisis somewhere along the line. Here, my twenty the amendment would mandate that any incoming president break at least one of his limbs and have a call throughout his shreds and sail stood, tempt down and Eve than any one might feel for the executive. I dont think Michael. You need, feel nervous about saying that he looked frail me dead. I need VOX the iron rule, of whom there is a picture in the dictionary. under the word hack said
Last night that Biden struggle to get through his speech. He could barely talk. He looked weak. He did his seventy eight year old man. Is it. twenty eight year old man broke his ankle, MRS Seventy Your old man in the midst of a pandemic, who, although he didn't campaign vigorously, will nevertheless have felt the strains. Look at how old Barack Obama looked after four is being President Joe Biden just starting he's weak. He will not return us to normal see, as the expectation is, but he is a great deal more normal. Then president chum he's more now more because he's been around our politics for almost fifty years. That's a bad
in some ways, it's a good thing and others. He is more normal because he speaks in platitudes and generalities instead of treating and all caps. And he is more normal because, as rich says in this case, he's right- I have the laws of the rhetoric over the last four or five years to be ridiculous, but in this circumstance what Joe Biden said was correct. The democratic party has an unfortunate habit of using the word democracy. to mean progressive priorities. But in this context, Joe Biden is right to talk about democracy, he's right to do so,
the electoral college meeting and certifying him the winner of the election that he won as democracy prevailing? He is right to describe the endless law affair and casting of aspersions stunning, He is right to say that it is time to turn the page. It is. He will not be a normal president. He's much older. He is much weaker He comes into office without com press, which is unusual. He is not particularly representative office. party, although he may be representative of his party's voters, but
I'm afraid of you put him up next. It president Trump at the moment, He's not only the normal one he's a virtuous one and that's a real shame. From my perspective,. as somebody who is not a fan of Joe Biden and has never been a fan of Joe Biden, but it's also true. I thought the speech was ok. I thought it underscored his weakness. But Biden has an enormous advantage here and that that he is in the right. The subject of his speech was the election, He won that election. He hasn't played games with that election. He didn't prematurely claim victory in that election. He suddenly hasn't tried to overturn it or finesse it or damage
SK in it, and while that may not seem like an action worthy of praise, given the alternative. At the moment, it certainly is excluded every day Joe Biden and- Mcconnell will have a good working relationship, yes or no no no. No, they won't bite administration all proceed with a lot of executive orders that make conservative, and conservative media go bonkers. Rightfully another speed. too much pressure on the Republican Party too. we put on as many breaks as possible. Telecom. I think they will have a good working relationship and bite will end up governing mostly by exact.
Borders that will drive conservatives bunkers. I think we will see a shift, the Differences between Barack Obama and Joe Biden enormous so as a pace and persia about a year ago by, I think the very Isaac at will the very never heard it said another byline and I think it was written from a problem of perspective. Certain it was full of pro Obama, leaks But I read it and others at national level. Dot com. Read it. I know and thought that Obama came out. Looking terrible Biden came out. Looking good Biden according to this peace would have lawmakers into his office. Clearly
Spock Connell, I need say: what do you need? What what is the line you can't cross? What does your base think about this? What what can't you do? What can you do. And then Obama would walk in and say Republicans of wrong. This question a new blow up, I think, by we'll have a good relationship with much but Connell. I understand their friends and have been for a while, I think much corner will nevertheless hold the line on any republican priorities. I think where there is better java compromise. You will see it and I think, because of the conflicting imperatives of the two parties Biden, will almost cheerfully resort to executive orders of dubious legality. That will drive us up the war. Take us all a bit in between. I think that they have a good relationship with the aid for relationship when there's must pass bending bills, that they'll be able to sit down and negotiate it out and
he's but way, but Mcconnell not giving an inch otherwise and by night. I think eventually, even though, He sounded pretty reasonableness so far about the limits of its executive authority. There's no way is knocking at the pushing the envelope they're out of it. frustration not be able to get stuff through Congress, it and and also getting pushed by his own basin, and that would further and self sacrifice Mcconnell, not naughty. Given edge. So I guess at all up and I'm gonna say no with that. Let's hear from an export, sir, this week, the american story, it's a free, weekly short form, podcast that aims to reveal and mind listeners of the goodness of our Country House Chris Plenary at the claim understood, explores the ideas. Events in people that have shaped the american way of life and our understanding. what it is to be american as you, nice has become increasingly disunited the America story
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check it out so Charlie speaking of disunited, we had out west great guy, usually charismatic figure, really talented communicator was a congressmen and Florida moved taxes and is now chairman of the Texas Party and when the Spring Corp shot down the taxes suit. Our worst is out with a tweet or state Mandarin superimposed on what it was saying that maybe the law abiding states that are really devoted to the car petitions, should go off on their own because, as this would be so lawful and so worthy of constitution, go out on their own and make their own way with separate nation. Then when he was
Stand as you said, no, what what are really meant was like, maybe the the non law law abiding non constitution honouring parts of the country may, though, got maybe they'll go off on their own, so they'll be the secessionist, and this has been maybe not as this explicitly as our worst put it. But this is something clear: that's in the air in the air since the election and were probably can hear more of it. What to make of it. I think we ought to knowledge from this does happen after elections in various ways after George W Bush want a second term in two thousand, for There was a widely shared me about splitting the country into cheese. Slammed, I think it was called in whatever the other states decided. They should be termed and two thousand sixteen secessionist sentiment in California rose pretty high. I often shop
for by telling them that over the last twenty years, the state that is most procession most consistently is not Texas Vermont, MRS in the air, especially just after a plebiscite, but it's not healthy. Now that there are of course, circumstances in which it is necessary to revolt It would be somewhat peculiar for champions of the American Revolution such as ourselves. To deny that, but what's happened here, is that in a closely contested and fair election, one of the candidates marginally one.
What's it if Ireland, where said what he said the day after Joe Biden, sent the military to silence his critics and confiscate firearms. While I would join him Burning it's worth putting this into context. The one thing- and, let me add a caveat here- I will almost certainly be spitting fire. The Biden administration wants it starts governing, but the one Joe Biden, has said since the election other than we need turned to and to turn the page, and all of that is that you not going to do anything unconstitutional I will see whether he keeps his word, but he explicitly guy The example of assault weapons, so called
the argument he had with common Harris, the guy said it seems somewhat premature to start talking about secession or suggesting that the eight other parts of the country to see which is a copper, is no use to see it. We need to bring down the temperature here and keep our conversations. Two facts and to real injuries. If you like, we to apply strict standing rules to secession, talk, there's no advantage to free floating talk of secession. One thing here is my standard plea For federalism, when California and
He within it we're talking about secession. Four years ago I wrote a piece for the LOS Angeles Times saying you do not need to society You need to insist upon a more robust federal structure so that you don't freak out if president you'd dislike is elected, that should be the primary objective of all Americans, but especially conservatives who already believe in them We need to work hard to limit our exposure to president. We don't like it is said than done, but it is far preferable to secession and it certainly should come before even entertaining the idea allowed so Michael prejudice of a world this there's case? That's its states could go
and and leave. I think they are wrong about that. I think I finally contentedness really compelling, but now is just as it is settled question and what we're talking about here is the sessions a nice word for word. Talking about insurrection, we're talking about revolution, Charlie, alludes to and probably violent revolution, because that the federal government is not gonna allowed it the nation to be torn apart and his assets taken by by some wayward state. So this is a ridiculous fantasy butts poisonous one, especially if it gets more traction, Yes, I mean it's a poisonous one. I mean it. Those reflect these. You know the deep divisions in our country I mean we really do have. the polarisation that we ve seen on partisan lines reflect real moral differences,
in many cases, and in fact mean The country has this in its dna right that, like it, it's the early settlers were religious dissidents right who didn't one happiness. Ass, they really exactly and the soul. I think that's Part of the american psyche is too imagine a way of separating from the evil with your community and resounding a new one, and you know that that psyche egg was given expression in many ways through the history of the country, not just with the founding the new states. A new communities and new religions, like the church of Latter Day saints. Ah striking out west end and finding new. and tears
California, it All right was a kind of real attempt to but it is kind of bound up with this idea of reinvention and escaping fate and making your life self. So I thought I mean. I think this is just something is going to be deep in us, and here I mean and Vermont having its little secessionist. You know Romeo, Since, during the Bush years, been that's based a real thing. I mean they're Vermont existed as a kind of independent republic for fourteen years before it joined the United States you Know- and it is asserted- its independence against- I can t work and New Hampshire, which you know that none of whom seem to care, that much about an independent Vermont at the time,
was a big expected, it would join the New United States. so I don't know this is too something it with innocent. Something to manage, and typically The United States has managed this this impulse. This restart. Impulse by having. Either new frontiers to explore, you know externally with open territory to claim or in a new frontiers in the market, were in science and culture. That would be healthier than I do author politics, and I expect us this train is gonna, get worse as the moral divisions in this country, are touching on and of better ideas about what it means to be human and many people there touching on core
fundamental religious convictions about you know what is to be a man or woman or how society should be organised so on I just think this is a flare up. I think our investors, a bit of a hot head in his charismatic one sure but I'm here I think that This is be a persistent temptation in american life. I reviewed this book by left Wing Guy Richard. couple months ago, basically making the case for secession from let left wing
perspective in something that he was persuasive on is that this has been division. That has been an idea throughout our history, and people very often talked about it or gotten on the the cusp of attempting it, but with the exception of the civil war, where it was end up being miserable failure by the way, but otherwise it's it's never happened. So Talking about this, at least is: is the norm. Try cook S, question to you somewhere else, the next four years, Texas or some other red state, will defy, and some serious way federal authority, yes or no.
No more seriously than has happened over the last twenty years in various contexts, including say immigration enforcement. Now, I think, we'll see huge numbers of lawsuits, many of which will have married. I don't think they will be nullified. Patient crisis over the next four years now and the deep. I angry with Charlie, but a few expanded the timeline out beyond for years, it definitely nullification becoming be another another tool that gets picked up in the toolbar, Arguably, it already has in Colorado with the drug laws,
also going to say no, but I agree with Mbd, I thought California would try something a second Trump term. You say: if there's a a second, you know. If there is, I should say so. I can bite and turn right. If Cobbler Harris or someone wins another four years for the for the Democrats, then I think you could see. something more serious, develop but best attempt down this talk now, with that? Let me pause and urge everyone s They have the wherewithal to consider contributing to the National Institute for its end of the year. Campaign at awry recognizes the threat to America's institutions that is heightened over the past several months in response and arise. Refined existing programmes launch new ones aimed at defending our system of government market economy for those who fail to understand or appreciate their crews. your role and our republic and our eyes making key investments to meet this moment advance its mission
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pajamas, worn There must be some zoom connecting various kitchens across the region in this Gus tradition, but just one of these things is built up over time and it had a special for the kids spits. So or from adults really to have these kinds of uses and reason to get together right. It's it's. It's gone from something that was kind of fun to something that's lake, important and half, and what wearing a job as old as it has to be a good time yeah, I mean easily. We would uneasy we, the husbands and up monitoring the little ones and when watching sports, as it happens on a weekend, so I'm usually there, some football evolve to its
and Charlie. He will ask, but also been engaged. Crispin activity make an urgent warehouse making gingerbread house, my wife took the lead, but then I was given certain tasks. For example, I was allocated the job of hanging, the lights, these little colored candies that looked like bulbs put them all away under the roof and around the door. And I'm so proud of it, because by the time that I got to do this, the gingerbread house was beautiful. My wife had done sixty percent of it with the kids. I took a step back, took a photograph, and then it was the kids ten So what we have ended up with is genuinely beautiful gingerbread house in a yard that looks like it is
only on maintained but was selectively subject to a hurricane, all that little trees over my two year old, put random at icing everywhere and then start things in it than these, of course started to pick up anything that they could eat this little marks, whether one's candies. So I've come to the conclusion that making a gingerbread house is actually not for kids at all because they ruin it. It's for adults are next sharing lock them in the basement and make one of my own a couple episodes ago. I discussed the call of the a goal, but it was supposedly the greatest soccer goal ever by
Diego Maradona, what you're doing this aghast at last year already ruined my thanksgiving, and now you didn't Christmas. So a an eagle, eared Listener wrote in and said now richer you totally wrong. That was not the gray sports call ever. Instead, it was called by guy named forge below and who, when the norwegian announcer and when Norway beat England in the World CUP, the nineteen eighty one not to be confused with Argentina's defeat of of England, the mid eddies that produce the other car Frank maintains that this is really the best sports call ever so items through it- and I don't have a view on where the other eye and can be combated, go about this, but that there's this whole subset of soccer cause particular sarka cause involving humiliations of the english national team. That just I was unaware and again, opposition auto of great sports cars so hurt. Is he blows the final whistle Norway
beaten, England to the one we are the best in the world. It's unbelievable. We have beaten England, England, home of giants, Lord Nelson or Beaver Brook Sir Winston Churchill, Sir Anthony Eden, Climate Atley Henry Cooper, Lady Diana. We have beaten all of them. Maggie Thatcher. Can you hear me, may the faster. We have a message for you. Under the election campaign we have knocked out England for the World CUP Maggie Thatcher, as they say in their language manufacture in the boxing bars around Madison Square Garden. In New York, your boys took a hell of a beating. Your boys took a held a beating, Maggie Thatcher. Norway has been England in football, we are the best in the world,
so that envy de it's time for our gonna start tax EU patches of the british burning down the white- and it has every hour on now so that immediate typewriters dicks envied eight. But you big money pic is I hope that ceilings for anyone the latest and Andy Mccarthy, bucket of cold water, stunning passage from the latest court, rejection of team trump he's kind been and envy peeing. Since this. Silly season, launched after the election and aegis points how, in this peace, that under sure from Wisconsin too finally show some evidence of voter fraud.
Worse or make its claims in court from team shrivelled once again and withdrew, and substantial immature charges of fraud Just went with the normal complaints about lawful elections, and am anyway, and he's just dessert He commanded, he is no shrinking violet is the exact said, of a squish and am he's telling the hard truths Charlie. What's your pet party laughing, I still just it basking the glow that Norwegian. Technical that you found out about very mild, see. You re recommends that artlessness subscribe to Kevin Williamsons Newsletter, the Tuesday Wednesday, economical.
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