Today on The Editors, Rich, Charlie, Alexandra, and Jim discuss Tucker Carlson’s mask monologue, the CDC’s new masking guidelines, and Biden’s first 100 days.
Editors’ picks: • Rich:MBD’s piece “The Lawn and Its Enemies” • Charlie: Ramesh’s magazine piece “Biden’s Stalled Revolution” • Alexandra: Kevin’s Tuesday newsletter “Joe Biden’s Executive Incoherence” • Jim: Dan McLaughlin’s post “The New Electoral Map Is George W. Bush’s Revenge”
Light items: • Rich: The smell of cut grass • Charlie: Getting his second shot • Alexandra: Hiring movers • Jim: the NFL draft
The Editors is hosted by Rich Lowry and produced by Sarah Schutte.
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for life. The jam we ve had this big argument. Last week or so tat
times writers clashing over it, it had Tucker Carson going off on it over whether people should be wearing man
asks outside and now we have New CDC guidance. That says you know
have to wear mass outside, except for some circumstances. You should still be wearing mass when you make of it. You know you can't reach.
point there, there's still saying don't wear useless, should keep your max on if we're going to a large gathering
right now. Americans cannot travel to Canada, but in what they used to call these.
guy dome and now a collar holiday State Baseball stadium up there has a different
I keep wonderingly a wealthy chloride area if they closed the roof.
you have to put the masks on because it becomes indoors, but if they open up the roof than its outdoors GAD Point Jim, it's getting pretty predicable once you're vaccinated, your body is pretty much as protected as it can possibly get against this. This virus out there,
Do we need to worry about variants yeah, but we always need to worry about, but variants right. So there's no point in like keeping your mask on forever. Cause could some day be some very now there. This relieve you no bad and dangerous on this. We ve got a known, and the evidence has been mounting furry a month by month that actually, this very little risk of you getting this outdoors. So it certainly didn't make much sense to have to wear masks while six feet apart outdoors and there are even someday,
structures that required due to wear a mask if your outside alone, not near anyone who were you going to
That's wrong! The real business in this kind of not just big,
government, but I think a kind of deep seated
kind of neurosis, mentality at work at a lot of this.
think some of the reaction you ve seen to the discussions in places like the New York Times and slate over the past week or two suggesting that hey. Maybe we don't need to wear masses
not anymore. The reaction generally was you
blood on your hands. You know: is this absolutely unhinged if prickly we're not talking about
following the science in lower case letters,
capital, letters and risks in these circumstances anymore we're not following them.
Ports are not following the data clearly for some people, Mass are now this magic talisman that they are afraid that they take away of. If you you know, I can take away a person's masks like cutting the hair of Samson
ah you remaining kryptonite opposite you're, totally powerless or simply that it really getting kind of abandoning the CDC always seems to be several steps behind public behaviour, and you know, I think the perfect example of this was a couple of weeks. A couple of days ago, last week, Biden is hosting is climate change conference in you know, there's like twenty world leaders alone.
You know, connecting of I assume and Biden is wearing a mask where the retina given through the internet, so
it is not surprising. I had said I think one of our previous episodes assets of the Lincoln oh by the way
Hildy what you know, Americans will be done with the Essen. Most people be vaccinated and you'll be fine, and I think we're still on course, for that- and my
It is. You know things like
Braun Nineteenth, or so they said. Udo shots were now avail.
Everyone knows not with worth noting the shots.
Everyone is now eligible to get a vaccine.
doesn't necessarily mean you: VE had a young people's everyone's been able to find it an appointment yet, but a copy, our close to ten days after that, it's gotta be pretty close and were now at a point where it's like. Ok, you know, if you're
I will wear a mass, probably for another couple weeks if I'm outside, just as I want a freak anybody out, I know unprotected and other people around the unprotected everybody my family, except for my kids, are protected. Now, I'm too worried about all that couple weeks from now on, everybody's had their car appointment to get that first shot in that second shot if you're getting a non Johnson and Johnson. One look at that point on you pal you
you make a choice to not get vaccinated. You assume the risks and I'm not wearing a mask doing much of anything to YO to help make you feel safer as Suzanne S been clear from the beginning. I just a year ago, when there is the first freak out about the beaches and Florida being open any it see these ground level shots of the beaches it that creators are optical, illusion that everyone was jammed all together. Totally maskers was always clear that just outdoor spread with is not a thing with this virus, yet we ve had these mandates and and practices around the country or people wear masks outside. I personally have been hurt us a switch. Switzerland's style neutral on this question doesn't bother me when people, where mass I'd
mine, wearing my of a mixed other people, feel comfortable earth. It's in keeping with the rule, but it's ridiculous wrong for public health authorities to issue Edith had just are aren't strictly in keeping with the science, and we were were there to have them make judgments based on on the facts and in the latest research rather than culture
of judgments, when I saw this news, I did a double taken. I actually had to go in and kind of do some digging to try and figure out- and I was I was convened
The CDC had actually said we didn't have to wear masks outside a long time ago. I remember right when this whole
a crazy started. Last march, there is maybe I'm
they're, so I'd like you were talking about a sort of people wondering does this.
read more outside or more indoors ones like outside is an equal and
about a month or two. It was very clear that outdoor transmission was not
major concerns concern and in fact it was good to be outside because there's a ton of fresh air, it's very hard to spread terms like that
the sunlight, helps getting vitamin d, helps alot innovative indeed deficiency. Is it may drilling linked to having a serious side effects of global, so all signs and get it being outside getting sunshine on your face? Being spread out was a great context in which we didn't have to
ask him in this kind of this new
but the CDC has now permitting us do not wear masks outside reminded me of one button gave that speech about how we are progressing uncovered and
If everyone behaves themselves, maybe we can have outdoor socially distance barbecues by the fourth of July and everyone's looking around saying what we ve been doing that since last April, right everyone's and least people I know has been
not wearing thus outside in people. I know personally the way
the northern Virginia others. This kind of culture of Europe, people give you the weird side. I if you don't have a mask on when you're going for a walk and far too went too far away from anybody to actually transmit anything. You'll come called covert. Anything like that- and I think you know like Jim said it's this kind of
integrity of nothing. Bad can happen to me if I'm wearing a mask you're not wearing a mask your part of the problem in Europe. You know you must be a trump supporter and it's really much more cultural thing than anything scientifically indicated.
I'm glad to see it's been relaxed, but I think
very silly. Let that anyone has been sincere and waiting for the city seemed to say you may stop wearing a mask outside before they would feel comfortable doing some so try. You took exception to this statement from Doktor Vince key. That's explain the guidance for fully back, say people who were mask indoors. Red mass gatherings is largely to protect on vaccination people from other on vaccinated people, and what's that big,
I think the CDC is trying to include within its guidance on the guidance and searching
Honey in these days does in a year and a half a guy who guidance is a friendly word, and now I hear it essentially is as an order, and I think in their guidance is that trying to take into account like
human behavior, so rather than saying ass, it shit being a scientific agency. Hair is what the science tells us. It is trying to work out what,
Real people in the real world are likely to do with the information
so in this case it has concluded that if it tells the truth, which is that people who have been vaccinated, don't need to wear masks and people you haven't been vaccinated, do need
aware mosques. Then it will be unable to distinguish between the two and it will give the green light
to essentially anyone who doesn't want to wear a mask the problem.
With that is. Although I understand the calculation that the people
the CDC making. That's not
scientific position, that's a political position, it said
populist psychological position, and
we have learned over the last year when you start substituting scientific fact for
you assume is the correct political statement
then you open yourself up to contradiction and ultimately to mistrust
when, in the early days, it was certainly comprehensible, why the CDC said that there was no need
for people to wear masks and even suggested that they might not help at all, because it clearly wanted that to be enough mosques for medical research
snows and and others who might be subject to a high viral load. The problem was even if that was.
Defensible on its own terms,
cdc eventually needed to convince us swayed
the country that mass
swear imperative and at that point people civil hold on a minute, didn't you say that it wasn't necessary and then the sea,
She had to say: well, yes, we said that, but we said that as a noble lie
think a similar problem obtains here. As I say, I understand why they're trying it but at some point the
C B, c, and indeed the entire federal government and frankly, anyone who wishes to see the back of corona virus is going to have to lean in heavily to the vaccine and pay.
doubt that this is a miracle drug. This is an extraordinary human achievement. This is an innovation up there with the best of them and that it works
and the way that you do, that is to tell people
look once you ve got this. You can go back to normal, not because wicked
new permission, but because the vaccine is effective against
Only viruses stops you getting it and its staff
she transmitting it. But if
as has been the case now
are too long for months, people have
Well, yes, you can get the vaccine, but it's not a hundred percent effective and there are these marginal questions, and so we would still recommend that you keep wearing mass, etc, etc, etc. It,
happens, you're gonna struggle when it comes to time for the full court press on the vaccine and
just watch the CDC over and over again.
In its own worst enemy and and and being
clever by half, trying to work out the angle, trying to take into account how it thinks people will react and
that's not what it should be doing. What it should be doing is coming up bluntly and saying you know what, if you haven't, had the vaccine keep wearing your mosque in certain circumstances, if he had had the vaccine and he waited to two weeks after the second one you can stop, which is the point in the vaccine and letting the chips full as they may offer that point. Yet Jim was obviously a huge element of closer war or I'll always cover stuff has to do with a reflex reflexive opposition to
experts and expert rule are the right. Now is some of the people who have been so opposed. The experts have covered themselves glory. We had very thanks. Trump said
last year we have had. You know the obsession with Hydroxyl clerk went for a while. He had people denying that the pandemic is a serious health risk and is killing lots of bee.
On the other hand, the experts have covered themselves glory either at a huge part of it has
do with what trial is just hitting on just add on
just give it to us straight. You know a belief that
costs. They have to sort a tweet tweak the messaging in order to get the react right reaction to play with the dialogue of the truth in order to manipulate behaviour in the right way and has been profoundly describe
adding and with you ve experienced it up here. You know NASH, review internally, we ve had a lot of people who have been very defensive, of Anthony vouch for for a long time with we, we were on onest podcast for for a pretty long stretch now through a thatched, because he is obviously done allow this two year without you be a really good example of this, I think also will linsky is kind of jumping out at me with we ve gotta meet both said both jokingly in some way seriously on this
broadcast data. What Biden says and what the by demonstrations position is are sometimes only just distant cousins.
there there loosely connected, but there are often not the same thing, and so we know agenda Saki, Russia's out the microbes to say what the press
I meant to say about the circle back with you about the sort of thing, and so I'm just gonna take it off the top of my head.
well, let's get made a comment about the schools and the idea that three feet was far before she was CDC. Director she'd said that three feet was fine, then
He became CDC director and said another six feet is required, and then she said what we don't really need to get teachers vaccinated and then gently Saki offered that ludicrous claim of eleven
a personal opinion. She wasn't.
You CDC directors, if you know well and he was giving her view, views on like what to watch a netflix or something like that and economy
was like that you, when you're CDC Director, yes you're, always speaking on behalf of your agency, the walk back and then the tooth other things, a kind of jump out and really are just to those like you wonder. What's going on over their spears because March, twenty nine she said her I've ago, reflecting the wreck,
I'm feeling a have the impending doom, but right now I'm scared. I was gonna, stop it. You look back at where we are locked. Michigan, isn't rush ape right now by law.
vaccination. Rolling out cases are going down, deaths are going down more
sleep nationwide, things are going in the right direction at worst there blackmailing Michigan. Is this glaring example just a little bit trouble in the northeast, but by and large we don't were supposed to do. I dont like
see my CDC director walking around it looks like something like one more step should be Walker. The sandwich board say aboard saying the end.
Near like an old ringing, the bell or something like that, those who but a dare to early later she said that. Well, our data setbacks, native people do not carry the virus and don't get sick kids in the clinical trials and real world data. This is like technically not correct, but the gist is correct. Once you're vaccinate, your viral load is really really lower. So is it impossible for you to spread the viruses somebody else? No, but it's probably pretty daren't likely. You know you give me
Yeah one tenth of the viral low that usually have, I feel pretty good about those genes so but then, of course, the city came out to dinner, I should have really mean that we really reach the point with will lend ski where she says something, and then you wait. Twenty four to forty eight hours, C4 organism agency
agrees with her assessment or whether they have to go back, and you know full agenda in some sort of variation of all. What we meant to say was this totally other opposite position.
so there were, according on Tuesday afternoon here and last night Tucker Cross and had epic monologue, he's a genius, a provocation which is a huge part of his job, which is why it is so successful as a cab horse. But he thought about it
storm asking and said look! This is completely outrageous. You walk outside in Washington DC without a mask and you can tell people are judging you or they might say something to you about what a terrible person you are and we need two turntables and do the same thing to them, and when we see someone wearing a mask outside have to say hey, you do know that that does no good and it's actually it's making me uncomfortable. Then why don't you take your mask off and
on top of that issue. If we see people masking their children outdoors and asking the children while they're playing, we should call child protective services to report this abuse, just as we would if we saw a kid being beaten at Walmart when you make them as an. I often found to be the case,
Tucker? He he took something that is generally true that by and large I I really agree with
would say myself in a different way.
Then, just kind of rats did it up to eleven out of the point where I
thought, it was very silly to put it like that. I agree that there is a very harmful attitude. As I said in my first comment on the spot cast
it's very silly to go around thinking that
The only way anyone lover be safe health wisest where
Ask someone with this logic. We would all be wearing asks forever, because who knows what disease might crop up for me to get a common colder? There's always some risk that you shouldn't take on when you step outside your front door,
right and yet we have this very harmful attitude. Now, among so many people that you know
killing others. If you're not wearing a mask. You don't care about your health, you don't care about keeping the vulnerable safe whenever this very silly attitude the size. It's all over.
the real problem- and I agree with him about that- I think it's crazy that I took a year more than
for the CDC to affirm that yes, it's ok, do not wear masks
outside and that there are places where you ve had to wear masks outside. Even if your
completely by yourself. This is
outrageous but then say,
If you see children wearing of ask in the company of their parents, you have to call child protective services is obviously insane and I dont mean item I tend to think. Tucker doesn't mean things like that terribly seriously, but I do think it undermines the actual truth of what he was saying too, to take it up to eleven like that, and it also. I think this is a great example of sort of way
What I see as a mere problem on the right of what you see on the left, so you might have sort of that. The person
you decide. I forgot wearing a mask as you pass them on the sidewalk and Arlington, but then you also get paid
on the right who get angry when they see someone at the grocery store wearing a mask and to me I don't I don't,
If they want to wear masks, that's fine right in the same way that I would like to be permitted not where mask after having been vaccinated. If I feel safe whatever, I would like to be able to make that decision.
actually outdoors, I dont care
Susie Q wants to wear a mask her if she feel safe for as long as she doesn't give me a side eye, and yet there a lot of people on the right who spent much of the last year
You know acting as though there some problem with you. If you want to wear a mass for you think anyone should ever where mass we're like it there's some kind of principled revolt. Women
undertaken, refuse to wear, masks and ever contacts and does not quite what Tucker was.
but I think it's all kind of part of one package, which is a very troubling instinct. I think on the right
that is problematic in a similar way to the issues with the left, Troy wow, I don't like talker Carson nor
I agree with him on a great deal and I don't
the stand caring about what other people are doing, especially with regard to mosques. I mean I didn't
directions. I don't care if people don't wear them, I don't care if they do and what he said was silly cuz. She shouldn't cool child protective services. If you see a child wearing a mask should mind your own business, it's not remotely comfortable to child abuse or handful of circumstances in which you should call char
active services embassy, that's not one of them, but also to understand right, toxic attacks. So much attention in this wasn't in the top ten of silly thing:
It has been said on cable news in the last week, including on Fox, and
It is well within the bounds of.
cable news, hyperbole, swell
Unusual, this is
Cable news is forward:
she's, wired and watch. It was slots,
days ago, in which.
Joy, red and Glenn Kirshner started.
for no reason whatsoever speculating the governor dissenters might in fact be a child molester. This just passed by that's what cable news is
An Tucker is different only and that he is extremely popular and he is on the right rather than on the left.
I have no time for him whatsoever. I also have no time
The hand wringing over this, and I especially have no time for those who have suggested that he be.
Prosecuted for incitement that we bring back the fairness doctrine and somehow magically apply,
To cable news, so that what somebody can go on tonight and say: no, don't call
cops. If you see a child and a mosque.
I can't have a lower opinion of cable news. I see this as being part of it and not anything unusual rate thanks to settle a lesbian
Charlie so that, above all attitude you knocking off cable news debate,
I dont understand why it is that certain pieces of hyperbole,
real everyone up at the stone and led the way. Tucker has been able to dominate all the attention of the people who are professionally professionally, outraged by things and sort of substitute. For so much of that space it used to be.
Taken up by Donald Trump is kind of amazing. Pick me pick me everyone. We make that point courage. I m sure I just you know you could argue going back report well before the Trump era. There were certain figures who kindly made their living based on being controversial within certain boundaries, right, usually more likely to offend the right and the left of, ironically, to the guy something a bit more and Pierce Morgan. Both gonna shifted to the right, their sheer desire to be shocking and or politically incorrect and provocative has put them at odds with a lot of folks and left in recent years, but we basically there is a whole but entire genre of coverage firmly on the web, and you know television and media was basically
Can a website- and you know this whole tent trend of. You- won't believe what this person said by nine times out of ten year. I will believe what these people said. Then I did this. What they do. This is their their stick this year, but down from came along in two thousand fifteen and just supercharged it right and every single day
the news media had some variation of. You won't believe.
Eve what Donald Trump said to deck. Now, what Doll trumps says, controversial things all the time, but for five straight years I was the dominant theme and your web traffic surged for the New York Times and washed, and post and ratings went up for CNN and Emerson B C and for Fox NEWS and justice.
you know this. This onsite meant a wow. You thought that was shocking. Look what comes next and, of course, Donald Trump leaves the presidency and has been relatively quiet down there at Morlock. Oh, he is here he stole issues, his statements that somebody scans and then puts up on the internet instead of the way used to treat them, but there's a giant vacuum and one I'm sure a whole bunch of these dear. The Messina ratings crash receive an Amazon Bc Anders just this need that people are going through liking, o cocaine withdraw for social media outrage,
what are they gonna do a news, this effort to try to build up a mad gates in this role and Marjorie. Tell a green who you noticed is coming at a freshman caught republican congressmen. Have you heard of over the last five months? Dosages Aachen? Who can we find to be the next Donald Trump? Will doubt we'll talk? Carson will fit the bill argument when political playbook or, as I like, to call it that other morning newsletter led item today I check every time you say:
and that political playbook Tucker's mask meltdown, that's a big story. That is the number one story. They felt the need to tell us there's about now. There's a whole bunch of cable news house who would love to have their you know nightly diatribe be considered the biggest news
during the day. I think that everybody needs to know about from Turkey. Carlson's perspective this work. He sounds crazy by the way, was take him up to pause, don't joke about Control protective services, don't do it, but that's that's tough to serious does work. I could use beside stuff right, don't you like? I don't think
we're going to do this, but you never know what Youse out there and you know what who's gonna have a life turned upside down, because some idiot decided to call trial protective services because they're just that mad over the mask issue. But it will ex overtly look term calls and got
lay book to make him the lead item? As far as playbook was concerned, what talk Karlsson said was the most
important thing that happened over the past twenty four hours come amazing when you think about it, so that political playbook is creating the incentives for Tucker Karlsson
Don't go out there and say something sensible to me tonight: Tupper go and say to create.
yes. Thank you can because playbook we consider that a big deal.
More attention to you- and I assume their ratings- will only go up. Alexandria, exit question to you, some element of asking or main a feature of american life.
after the pandemic, to wit, they'll, be notably more mass at Europe's airports. Then the war a prior to twenty, twenty, yes or
No and no equivocation allowed. Ah, that's tough that if I can't equivocate, I think yes, because I think a lot of people rightly now know that masks and contract him from disease not be more inclined. There's gonna be the social weirdness. Often I guess it s pretty much gone away for a lot of people as they might be inclined to kind of keep a mask on hand, a news it now and then or during flew season or something I think some element of that will remain around.
Trust either because that was somewhat equivocal sound and it was a yes firm, yes from yes from San, I'm, I'm not confused as to the way the question was constructed. Canoe remind me: I have to
I'll, just repeat it again. Some element with Maskew were made a feature of american life after the pan, dammit, for example,
they'll, be notably more mascot at U S, airports than there were prior to twenty twenty, yes or no
Yes, I think it will stick around in certain circumstances. This equivocal tone thing going didn't like, then, why I either
Think it's gonna sit around us.
Betty was cigarette in North Florida. I think
we'll be picked up in bad, flew seasons in places.
Just New York City and may be on aeroplanes and ports. Jim Gary Hope, you don't need me to repeat question up.
Yes, don't sound olympian! Yes, it will be something akin to Asia, about good idea when you're sick. If you have to travel, if you can't stay I'll, go where mask
I'm going to be a little short of that. Might my answer is a firm, unequivocal sounding. Yes, I don't think it'll be at Asia levels, but I think of the flu season you're going to see more people wearing masks at airports. I think it's schools where you have outbreaks of flu, you'll see kids wearing masks and- and it's just it's just no longer even has been controversial in a lot of people hated it it's no longer as alien a concept as it was. I remember when my wife, weird
can a german Forbes when were the same for spreading in war on got out, and I was I'll find out. I watch like where mass gonna plants like no way are you crazy, I'm not wearing a mask on that?
and he shoved all these plans in the mass into my bag, and I went to the beer,
were I looked in. Ok, as our everyone wearing Mass was was sir,
people from major asian Americans, as he kind of expect- and I felt comfortable my choice not to
I'm asking that coming back, I saw one caucasian male wearing imagine this is your dick, don't you know it doesn't
attacked you didn't do anything, but that sort of that that attitude is there is gonna, be much much diminished show will see, will seem more mass than we did in the past. With that, let's hear from.
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so with that we got yo buy about to hit a hundred days tomorrow. Night is going to give an address to a joint session of Congress Suzanne. What? What have you made of the first hundred days here? It's been kind of incredible has been popped up in the press as if this giant, who is approaching the greatness or alleged greatness of f
are an l b j when buying has passed one bill. Basically is
big bill was one point: nine trillion dollars in so called covered relief. Funny, lotta, democratic priorities lie is likely to be washed out, I mean. Are there I could be payments to individuals again. The state local bail outs of eventually will,
go away, but the idea does anything like what, after, for instance, dead when one after another, like fifteen major new deal, measures are actually
ass by Congress and signed in the law, and I think, like seventy six or something other p.
Is the legislation that were passed in Congress and signed in the law a more acquaint time when I Congress passed up and the present signed it, and it was assumed that that's the way America should be governed. Even his sdr was was wrenching us in into an effect anew a new system. But what do you make of it
for. I think button has governed. I guess you used the word loosely about. You know
exactly as we might have expected
watching- not only the way his campaign unfolded, but even in a
anything about tightening his his personal history has his history. As a politician, I think it's gone
actually as we might have expected his campaign. I remember I guess it was two years ago now now I guess it was
last February. Men. Time is weird because of covert that will last February I was out in Iowa covering
carcasses and I covered violence a couple. This stump specious out there and I thought to myself there if this guy makes it
where the finish line in this primary they're just going to have to drag him right across because he sounded trust
tired and the only emotion he had was anger like- and here I mean
to get excited or remote at all. He just resounded over the people I represent,
and it was just
I do not have more confidence in him after seeing him in person, and I think we're getting exactly what
who saw him in person by expected to get. My theory is still. He knows,
to win all those primaries in places where he didn't have much time to campaign and he lost all those early ones in places where the campaigns had to spend a lot of time on the ground with voters, because he just walked in sounded
really really bad in person, and I think now we're seeing an administration where he goes out and says one thing in a couple hours later, Jen sake comes out and says: oh no, that's not actually does
when he said or that's not what he meant or someone other than him is sort of rewriting the policy or the stance as they go. The only big thing that's got.
done was done by Congress and Undersigned voted enough. You can see lobbied a bit for certain
things, but it wasn't really his accomplishment the back there
borders obviously disaster. They mishandled at optically. They ve mishandled policy was, I can't think of anything they ve done
terribly successfully anything that's grandma was covered, was already set up to be done before
governs office and I am hoping he won't get much more done, but I don't expect that he will so surely. I think this is ridiculous in it a couple couple levels, one in every heart, massive
massive congressional majorities in nineteen thirty two and then they got even bigger and nineteen, thirty, six so bigger there almost impossible to imagine and the current context of U S politics. So so the idea that the buyer has Gunnar ran through all these wrenching and far reaching changes to the american way of life in a based on it at high in the Senate and what was, after election day nine v.
majority in the house, the smallest democratic majority, since the last two years of the rather Vd Haze Administration is just crazy to adjust,
wrong and that their there's, a certain whiff of illegitimacy about running for office as a moderate is gonna get work get along.
publicans and return to normality, and then a couple months within your administer
I should say now. Actually what I want to do is make these
credibly momentous and costs
Why sure changes to the american system
Forevermore, based on this
lender is that the most slender and probably temporary congressional majorities that you could imagine embargo should perhaps of workshops his picture little more
instead of saying I'm after he should say, I'm rather for be hey, that'll get em going in the back seat. Now it's it's fraud has committed. A fraud is allowed to there's nothing in the system that ties
politician to the promises that he made while running whatever powers the he in the legend.
enjoy under the constitution they enjoy. Irrespective of what they said during the campaign, but he has nevertheless perpetrated a fraud.
He clearly wanted to run in one way and to govern and another access put this well last night. He said
it's the unspoken Biden formula talk like a rosy bipartisan act like a ruthless partisan and that's what he's done
he's also fraudulent in the way that he sells his plans. Leave aside his redefinition of bi partisanship, all moderate and his shift politically. He is packaging, long
time progressive goals inside more palatable vehicles. So we see a covert relief bell was not really or is primarily a covert relief,
we are seeing an infrastructure bell. It does contain some infrastructure spending quite a lot of it, but
not primarily an infrastructure or jobs, bail as it is being sold
In the meantime he is,
flirting with often indulging his party's desire to restructure the country. I don't just mean that in the sense that he wants to change the way the government spends or the way the government interacts with the citizen
But he is on board with adding new states he's on board with
examining whether or not the Supreme Court should be expanded, while
his own party, not some fringe member, but the chair of the Judiciary Committee introduces such legislation in the house. He has abandoned his support for the Height amendment has come out.
against the filibuster. It he's a monumental changes to the way that America is.
Even now I will be against them, irrespective of the size of the parties. Majority.
But there is certainly something more the word for it, I suppose legitimate about a president and a party in the position that the Democrats were in nineteen. Thirty, seven
the Democrats, wherein in nineteen sixty five under Lyndon Johnson making such a move, then that there is with Biden, tiny tiny
Majority said the Washington Post pointed out that if ninety thousand votes had gone the other way in twenty twenty Republicans would have had unified control in India.
At the election was won by Joe Biden. The house was won by the Democrats. The Senate was won by the Democrats, but only just, and yet we keep hearing these references to LBJ and FDR and restructure.
the country even whose army snow, but we were promised get so I don't wanna rehash what Zan and Charlie set. I think probably the easiest way to summarize the first hundred days of Biden is, it looks like his presidency is gonna, be a giant missed opportunity in part, because he wants to do two things at once and they're not compatible the first, as you want to do in the public. More appealing aspect: if you're on the right side of the spectrum, is the Joe Biden wanted to lower the temperature in american politics and ETA Joe Biden, who wasn't afraid at the left, could be one that we could live with. You know, yes, he's a washed and insider and yes, he's a backslapping. Let's stop, but always considered Joe Biden has not that much of an ideology. I came up sizing that he's not at the centre of the country.
If the seller Words Party is, but I think you could probably argue that your record bomb was a more ivy logical figure. The fact that a button is flew on so much over the course of his career indicates that you just want to get a deal done and I was able to get along anyone somebody to walk home with someone from a big deal and wants to spend money. Nonstop think two things happened: the kind of set the Biden presidency on a path that Biden may ultimately come to regret January six happens and every country's our fight and the sea, the rider Capitol Hill and, I think, any desire for a bipartisan presidency any.
Ah democratic party patients for a president who is reaching out to the other side, there wasn't a lot of that big before January Sex and whatever their was pretty much evaporated. Most Democrats believe that the opponent really that the opponents really are deplorable and or reaching out to them and trying to get a bipartisan accomplishment is a waste of talk of the Republicans will always find an excuse to say no and there's no point in trying to work with they, Susan Collins or ably summer Caskey or anybody else like that on a big deal or something like that. The other thing is a Yo Yo binding one. The idea that the Pope Democrats one the tubes and races in Georgia at
a sudden. He has a democratic Senate and he doesn't have the excuse of young folks I'd love to do that. But I got Mcconnell he's running he's run in the Senate, and this just say I just can't get it pass. You ate a bit which Macao still running the Senate, Joe Biden, would have a much easier life.
because he'd have ahead excuse for why couldn't get the left everything they wanted, but the other things at March second meeting with his stories of the White House- and it was John Mitchell- was the guy who organised it may be said- the MAGIC words Joe Biden. You can act after an olive Sunday CUP,
granted that seed and violence head and now it sounded like. Let's wait for the fences, it doesn't matter that we the fifty fifty cent. It doesn't matter that we have the house by a handful of seats. It doesn't
that would probably to lose the house in twenty twenty two in part, because then the other,
dark pattern going. Yes, the President's party and in part, because a redistricting, an interest in part of the fact that one stiff wind will knock over our house majority.
that is simply and intensifies. The attitude of democratic I've got a pass whatever began before
the terms election twenty two, because that's that we're losing we're going to have this opportunity. Now, here's the thing
you doing all this stop is gonna make you lose the house majority. Maybe
Do it, but that's crazy thinking the elevated. Obviously, everybody says this attitude of just
everything you can. We ve got the majority and then put everything into gridlock for the remainder of the guys presidency and hope that that's for the best uninhibited govern, but
that seems to be what binds settled upon and it seems like
missed opportunity to have a genuinely can
only a tory amiable. Ah,
anger and rage, lessening presidency and effectively when you
you try to enact, and after your style agenda on a bear, a minute
majority, you actually increase anger, you dont decrease it yeah, it's it seemed is out.
here he is running as an what was was likely to be basically in a kind of by Parson Caretaker within within limits. Abysses he's a committed democrat, but instead you
We ask that the push to be the next after yards and another thing is going on here in this driving. It is how almost all Democrats now interpret the Obama years, where the lesson they take away from it is Obama was much too accommodating to Republicans much too cautious wasted too much time trying to deal with Republicans
too much time wasted tourist I'm getting stuck through and that's why he got shall act in the subsequent midterms was unable to do more, which that seems a good reading his it's me,
If that's what they actually believe now. It certainly explains why their strategy is to push forward every as rapid.
policies that can possibly think of all. At the same time they are talking about packing the court. They want the green new deal they want. I mean every every progressive wishlist item that came
during the democratic primary, is now actually being too
about by either a substantial number of Democrats in Congress or by Biden or both nuclear filibuster. All this was
are actually agenda action. I'm for this administration- and I
But I don't know why that is, I think, a trump kind of gave the left the idea that they could you
The rights foibles or the problems on the right to push envelope as much as they wanted in and get away
with more radical change, or maybe they actually think that that people want the stuff right. I can imagine that that's
I think that they have this idea. They strike while irons Hoddan remake us much respect
and while they have power, but it I dont think today shouldn't should believe they can get away with pushing apple
all of the most radical policies, anyone on the left once at the same time and not pay an electoral price for it to join us.
Going on here is the bigotry of low expectations. Where are all the provide an audience and a lot of people not media are betraying it, as Biden is just in this world conquering position, because he has a fifty three
percent approval rating, you know which, which does look like really high compared to tramp, who never managed to get above fifty but looks low compared to that
the approval rating. He saw from other recent president's during their honeymoons yeah.
I think we ought to be careful not to buy two marching to the high. It is suddenly concerning whenever president's as I want to be after seventeen
but biting his boss. One bill
ass. One bail under the guise of covert relief in the midst of a once in a century pandemic, so we should perhaps have the breaks a little bit for declaring him Alexander. The great
and yeah. His approval rating is just not that good. I think if you take out Trump and Gerald Ford, both of whom loss re election
first in seventy years.
So it's all gonna revolve around what he can get done next and even if
does get what he wants with infrastructure and even if his approval rating remains where it is, that doesn't mean that the Democrats are going to do. Ok in them
terms. It's really rare for a party to do well in the
And even if the incumbent president is personally popular,
friend of mine who follows politics closely said that it's been interesting to watch the way in which the Republican Party in the Democratic Party of treating the last two presidents in the in his view, they both got it wrong.
the Republican Party tied itself so closely to Trump who had all
he's character, flaws and was always unpopular throughout his prey
The see was a loose cannon instead of focus
more on the issues that put trump in the White House in the first place, which is what it should have done any separated
look at the Democratic Party. They have this guy Joe Biden, whose Valley popular
personally, who is certainly and threatening whose quite difficult to vilify and in
of tying themselves to him and trying to inherit some of
his virtues going all out on all stop, the Democratic Party thinks that people hate like police
abolition and packing the Supreme Court
abolishing the filibuster and adding Washington D C S estate and spending too much money, and this is not there.
Sarah gonna help them and
the long run. So I
I am worried because I think that the one thing Germ Mansion and Christian Cinema I want to do
spend money and the because
That's really the only avenue left open to Biden, given that the filibuster is, I think, not going anywhere. That's what they're going to do and that's gonna be bad
we have any money left for spending money we don't have, but I do think we ought to real back a little bit, because it is the case that in his first hundred days, abiden really only got one thing done.
I am very exit. Question to you know: equivocal sounding only firm sounding answers allowed in six months time Joe binds approval rating will be, but look above or below fifty percent. To avoid any hint of equivocation. I will give my answer and click on it will be below fifty percent. Then you're gonna people accepting try,
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I did. The county in which I live is administering these vaccines at the fire station and the staff. There are almost exclusively from the fire department and I have just been great with the kids, both my wife and I went to get the vaccine both times a meter.
The kids when somebody that are getting it were currently them at home, the two small and today they gave the kids junior
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they also gave them a plunge, obviously without hypodermic needle but a plunge each, so they could pretend that they were helping. Now, I don't
I mention this before and this port, but I have a fairly pronounced phobia of hypodermic needles which makes having just one injection somewhat never racking I can get through, but it doesn't bother me. I appreciate the
tent of this kindly firefighter in giving my
five year old and my three year old plunge, but it didn't quite work out for me because on the right side today, I had then ass, who is giving me the actual,
action and now on the left side, I had a five year old in the three or out at the same time, pretending to give me one but from where I could
see I had three needles in my arm
of course, I
close your eyes, Iser look away. While I normally close my eyes,
look away. But of course I dont want to convey to my kids that I'm scared because they have to get shots whenever they go for their check up and I'm the one saying to the man is fine. It's nothing! It's nothing! It's nothing
so yeah. I sent you got three shots today for the price of one.
Yeah you're, looking forward to the NFL draft, there's an eye for good reason, offer just forget: Frances,
most exciting and fund knight of the year, not just eat up, because we usually pick very high, but the other jets at the second overall pic. I do want to completely divert this pod cast sports talk. I'm just gonna say that I am really convinced exact Wilson. Quarterback Brigham Young University is absolutely the best seventh greater that the jets could pick this year. He looked at me great care to see. Missus mom drop some off from the cardinal he's
perfectly just looks like he's. You know not out of your, maybe maybe not out of elementary school from middle school, but he s also pick a twenty three and one of their favourite ways. I ve been spending less couple weeks. These drafts simulators, you go online, you pick your team and
yeah he's an algorithm to say the most likely pick of a team this year. Pricking third will be this guy and then it's that guy- and sometimes I have some these programmes can have. You know the popup trader proposed, treats its catholic fantasy football, but for the draft and it's kind of logic, puzzle of ok. If this guy goes
here the neck, guys gonna go there in that guy's gonna drop all the way down to fifteenth of sixty and almost any becomes this, like sequence of events of like rights, so this happened.
here, all these domino start falling in the right direction. So you know.
I wanna be Thursday night and Friday nights, the second and third round and
Saturday, the fifth six forthwith, except rounder, guys we're lucky,
to make the roster butter for me. It's not stop excitement and somebody describe it. It's like you know. I think the Oscars for big burly men, who are afraid.
So I've been enjoying the smell of cut grass roots from my money is one of the best smells in the world smells like freshness smells like freedom smells like summer
Smells so powerful and evokes such memories. I remember when I used to play baseball with my dad. I doubt that the local park after dinner and if he played with a baseball
grass for for long enough, special grasses. A little longer than the ball takes on this great green, Hugh you could smell.
Now the grass on the baseball- and I always used to think, as was weird when I'm walking my dad, would would costly come smell. The ball.
Ben. I totally get it. He also another. We're have any. Have you always smell books, d, never understood as a kid, but now I'm an inveterate
sniffer myself, and if you get a certain kind of mustiness from
A book has been put away for a while or miserly my dad's old books, and this brings me right back to some happy
childhood memories. With that it's time
editors picks Jim Garrison, which you pick so the corner today,
our friend DEN Mclaughlin has its really fascinating posting. It ill illustrates a kind of southern ITALY trends in our policy of the last two decades. He busily looks at how the electoral map would be effective. These came out the reinforcement, further house districts and whose gaining seats in whose losing seats- and it makes the really fascinating observation to
thousand, will remember being another. The incredibly close election was to seventy one electoral votes to two sixty six. Well, if you have Bush winning the same states with the electoral map of today, or at least the one, that's when you come at once
important comes up to eighty nine to forty nine that's
you're, not only no biter at all. It's kind of interesting revelation! You look over the last few decades. If your democrat you're feeling good about the fact like Nevada, Virginian Colorado problem can throw in New Hampshire to have all become more democratic. That's a good and the bad news is that no Iowa and they probably too big ones. Ohio in Florida have all become a lot more republican than they were. The start of the millennium
Ohio was much closer in two thousand, for you can still find democratic screaming that Diebold machines made it stolid for John Kerry,
something in the other things that you know two dozen dear: they. They fled from toys, sixteen to twenty twenty, but
Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan all seem to be shifting anymore republican direction. Trump is kind of a different kind of republican than Bush did breathing. A broadly spake shows that you read, states are coming to our growing parts of the country. People are generally leaving that Blue North EAST and in some cases,
when the West Coast so kind of interesting kind of indyk indicator of, maybe one form of government really does attract Americans and really does promote growth better than the other kind as an answer. But you have heard of
The peril of recording on a Tuesday is I'm always tempted to pick Kevin's weekly newsletter, and today I will give in to the temptation. My pick is cabins
stir vines, executive incoherence. I think it is a great job of summing up exactly why we might have expected-
from Biden what we ve seen thus far and exactly what is so troubling about what we ve seen from this administration in his of course, characteristic cabin. Why you're a girl what your big while I liked, partly because I'm hoping that its true Remissness magazine, peace in which she argues, the Biden is unlikely to be Franklin, rose about or Lyndon. Johnson
and in fact is unlikely to be Barack Obama, School Biden, stalled Revolution and the Andrew Mesh leave it slightly open suggesting. I suppose that the debt,
cats could have a stocking twenty twenty two election season,
if you are, as I am worried about the
ambition that Joe Biden has. It seemed suddenly adopted and resolve to ram through Russia's peace makes good reading. So my pick coincides with whereas talked about earlier that smell cut grass is a wonderful peace and the last print issue by Michael.
Brandon, dirty and defence of the lawn and biddy, brings the hammer down on the various kill, joys and environmental.
Extremists to think it's dead, Sir, a terrible, active privilege destroying climate, that people have lawns and want to care for them and keep them in good
order so that set for us, you been listening to a national you podcast anyway broadcast retransmission or a counter this game without express written permission of national. You magazine strictly prohibited this path,
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Jim, thank you. Zan, thanks to babble, a city, a and quip, and thanks especially to all of you for listening, where the editors we'll see annex
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