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glowing first our view on Itunes. If you don't like what you hear here, please forget, I said anything Jim, just when the lab theory now beginning to break through into the mainstream I'm kind of board with it, I feel so have talked about it so much on an outcast, a large. Because you cause you ve been on artistic from there from the very beginning, butts I don't know what it was in the last week or so, gained, that this theory, except, as is the wrong way credibility. People aren't, are now willing to take it seriously when they were dismissive. For very long time. We the letter, I think, from eighteen scientists to science magazine. We have the Wall Street Journal report which was a really that new over the weekend. If you found a story, are aware that there is: U S, Italians, that several researchers at the lab or employees at the lab got sick

and were hospitalized. What your mind his can turn the worm, honest debate him. My fear is that big changes that Donald Trump is no longer president and because Trump certainly signal that he was open to the theory. A lot of people, I suspect, reflexively rejected it. I also wonder if one of the Vienna had wins the folks at myself and I should point out my co pot. Stir figure here. Michael Brendan, Dirty was often slacking me with stuff that he had found and it struck him as unusual it. One of the things at its color but I had wind, we ve been selling again so to speak is the recognition that, if this is true, as indeed be laid out early Consequences are enormous, if its, if it, if we result of this terrible endemic to tell got a hundred, sixty million cases so far and were three point four, some millions. Some debts did not person.

Who really has no life of hasn't had their life affected by it in one form or another, and if this all stems from some bat somewhere in the early cannot half joking rumour of somebody having that soup Addison We hold on seafood market as well. What you gonna do right! You know. They crawled goes into the wrong cave her son, What is the wrong soup? It's under cooks, and you know something bad happens. What you gonna do or if it comes back to animal smugglers, as I like to point out in animal smugglers, are a very convenient villain. Nobody likes them either they thereby around capturing cute little. Angolans and stuff like that, but if, ultimately, the responsibility for this pandemic that has turned everybody's, live upside down and kill. So many people, if it ultimately has the floor, of the chinese government, will now you but with Chernobyl, look like a tea party every in the whole wide world will be justifiably outraged at the chinese government for their recklessness in their.

That we already know there were denying for minimum three weeks more likely, probably six weeks that they were dealing with a contagious virus with a little January twentieth, twenty twenty, that they said: ok, yeah, the things being spread from person to person is written are you a doctor on the ground, Will Hahn who had observed that, like three three family members had caught it and only one of them into the market, soft, not changing from human to human has again to them by this back in you know, late December, twenty nineteen there in writing this. So we know the chinese government lies about the stuff all the time and the whole idea, like any others. No proof well we're talking about an authoritarian government that if this was true, destroy all proof. That would definitely deny it and with it every one point two, oh no, this in Rome imported see, food or or something like that, is occurring with kind of a broader cultural recognition of the United States that the government in Beijing is not a friendly force. It is not a partner and put in prosperity is not somebody we can do business

with novice, there's some hold out and will be talking about that later in this package, but it's a recognition that ok, This has always been this like basic, like that lead from the very beginning. I've had this that, though, the one thing that the shape my thinking was well you have to labs in the city that are researching corona viruses, bats me of a pandemic that stems from a corona virus and about oh by the way these bats are found in the other side of the country. Ninety miles away. So into the other items, laser would suggest it would come through one of those labs at some point. Always account. There was always the evidence was always circumstantial, but there is always a lot of circumstantial evidence and it was atheling to see how many people you just you'll, just dismissed it, and I can think of- they. The sum of its side, has taken away, the blame and responsibility that was being lumped on. Donald Trump for the first eleven are very first is twelve thirteen months this pandemic.

And just a general sense about this- is trying to scapegoat China, perhaps most of fury with these knee jerk accusations that, if you are talking about this, there is, something inherently xenophobic about it. You're gonna blame China. You wanted some Idiot Yahoo on the street. To start attacking Haitian Americans see Oh, I guess it's now become safe. To talk about these things were not worried about this setting off a wave of asian amount violence is proceeding in violence on the streets, starting do so that, yes, we do have to worry about that anymore. If I seem a little cynical and bitter about this rich, I just gonna come to the conclusion that have God forbid, I'm ever tar it is by the MA. Or or any sinister group sets out to get me and I had to go into hiding. Rich, I think I already have the perfect disguised as a conservative journalists, because the lesson is, if you become a conservative journalists, no one will ever see anything. You do not. Then it is Jim allude to there is any

Permit really would would there have a reflex to cover this up at least initially. If at this this is how this history changing virus had arisen in the world that it escaped from from a gun lab, but the chinese government. You know, I wouldn't entirely trust the Swiss on on this, but the idea that were disposed to accept the assurance that the Chinese are now and it didn't come from our lab. When they are, you know they gained nothing, stopping them from opening up their lab wreckers into their their safety. Hackers and all the rest of it and, of course, theyve revealed none of it At the same time, you ve had the W H, Joe therein and China supposedly vast negating. Say that it's the evidence, is overwhelming that The virus arose naturally with seeing any any. Those records You know this reminds me a bit of early on in the pandemic. When you have, there was the first obviously

huge surge of cases in China, and then, sir. The cow started rising around the world, including in the United States, and we had, if I remember correctly, at least a couple weeks of all these new story same China has the pandemic under control and look at how their numbers are dropping wires arising in their handling, this correctly and trumpet screwing everything up to which most thus spent an hour and in more same quarters of the meteor responded in words country. China's numbers on the home, the corona various cases at face value right like theirs is there seems to be instinct among those in the media. Similarly who hated tramper or wanted others to believe that a Trump administration was failure or ahead of them, medical reasons, just skew information or the report, only certain parts of information to make him look bad, just decided. It was good to take Turner's word at or to turn out its word, and I think they ve done it again, and at least until about the last week came to this idea of the lovely can I mentioned,

a little bit earlier. Tat is just thinking to myself some of these news reports that are coming out saying: oh no, maybe this actually did Comer from a lab and here's everything we know about it. Unlike look, I was reading this in a jolt last April, where view of the fact that suddenly everyone's decided now it's acceptable two sailors outlaw now we should really look into it more in and get to the bottom of whether this might be possible and I'm I'm glad better late than never. If this is in fact what happened, we ought to know, but it really does expose how I think no partisan and biased. So my firm media is they don't actually care about the facts they care about reporting, whatever makes them they don't like real political agenda. They dont like look bad at any given time. So anybody you just father a cover story for next issue. On thought she had a key: key element here was that he's reversed himself, where he is quite dismissive, along with conventional wisdom about this theory months ago, and then said in a recent interview that

Both the natural theory and the lab theory are are viable. Implausible need to be investigate more yet. Well, I mean knew it was becoming on viable for him to say otherwise now, but what I found interesting was that I am. It found she has always followed or could have been face of these honest this unofficial, but fish or scientific consensus, an end we saw early on in the pandemic. There was this lurch for certainty right, his under, which is totally understandable, inhuman, but it was as if all discussion of the disease itself, all the mitigation words and so on, with divine, headed into two categories. There was the cap,

but s silence in which you have to believe. Then there were conspiracy theories and disinformation right there, It was as if people were tended that there was no actual legitimate scientific debate. The questions that mattered right there, Maybe little scientific debates on marginal aspects, you know or degrees of, but we had this kind of moral panic. That There was all this science denial out there that was going to make the pandemic worse and so people pretended there was this unanimity when there He wasn't that unanimity about, missing the leak that may have been corrupt right, I mean some of the leading people

who were signing letters in Lancet saying that the lab league is against Here's a theory and giving what turned out to be a kind of nonsense. Reasoning for this. If they were implicated essentially in the lab leak because they were involved funding and directing money towards the weekend. Variety virology institute to do research that as already controversial, precisely because it was dangerous to do it so the debts. Distressing in itself, and you know it makes me wonder, I mean and found himself is also potentially implicated in this. The Nicholas Wade Peace points out that

Doktor factually and Francis Collins, the head of the of an age lobbied to make gain a function, research which has been done it will, on a fundamental by american tat, pair dollars and they would have been the ones to sign off on grants that would have gone for it and found himself even in his answer. When Paul challenged him on this was Plainly, evasive rather than force right side. There is even more developments in the story. Come. But it is that the the distressing thing where we have just science on one side and conspiracy theories on the other and by the way scarcely theories that could You tossed off of social media. They could get. Your website

delisted listed your Youtube Channel demonetized your kind, labeled with warnings. Even if you know you ve seen even experts like Harvard Martin cold ORF is one of the most eminent vaccines, safety scientists in the world who designed our own vaccine safety system, He's getting level by twitter is a peddler of misinformation, just because he disagrees with a consensus that is itself a kind of faked up. Professional amartya which, instead of an actual like convergence of expert opinion, yet Jim, I think one less this is to be extremely wary of the media. Saying there's a scientific consensus on some complex issue that not know the journalist assuring there's showing us. There is a consensus,

know anything about. I finally read the Nicholas Wade, Medium Pisa us put off first by the forty three minutes that its position did to revamp pretty good skimmer other one. When I look I could actually had picked up a minute. It it become. A forty four minute read, but I got I got through it. Struck is really compelling peace, obviously but what s really struck by it is when he goes into the sources of the so called consensus on this They have some scientists writing, one of whom is deeply conflicted on this issue because he's all those involved in it the growth of our funding, one of our research. But you have a letter to the lancet, didn't have any scientific standing. You know has been reviewed. Or tested kick the Tarzan, it anyways opinion. Peace, like is what what what we write Every day later, the Lancet saying we oppose conspiracy theories like the idea. This came from a lab then

another lad letter, similarly to a month later to nature of general called nature medicines. In it's a letter and on the basis of those letters you have journey just repeat: over and over again that the scientists have spoken, and I don't know how many people Ronnie Cheese, love we're talking about you know, doesn't scientists saying it's over and the journalists they say it's over than you have social media mobs searching gown and harassing anyone who disagrees with these conclusions actually it's not. Over now climate changes obsolete much a much bigger topic, but I did a special podcast with this guy who wrote this book unsettled as poking holes and and aspects of the science and asking questions about it, and that this is a phenomenon that he's spends a lot of time describing and he thinks is terrible for

the debate same thing, you get a research paper. You know it's my ass, a flaw here there, but it stated carefully you get headlines news reports about it and then, by the time spell into cable news and social media. It's it's gospel truth with the most extreme possible interpretation of what the paper said, and then you have people wanted to enforce conformity and, on the basis of its that. A big lesson here is just do not accept a quorum quote: consensus unless you really checked it out yourself, and you know, the sources of the supposed consensus are yeah one of the lessons of the past year. Most people who don't spend a lot of time thinking about science, and you don't work with science, and I put myself very much in that category were used to science, telling us things up the world and making it fairly simple leaves of three. Let it be

an opposite. Ok! Now I know how to avoid poison ivy when I just try not to brush up against you know little plans that have relieved we're not scientific advice for us today, that is India. You that's verified by supranational, a botanist if you go back and check that we were not used, the science world think we don't know we're, not sure, read Mr Flash back to where you have a discussion of last week, the other thing Most people don't know. Buddy boy could name a handful of scientists if their lucky and most of them come from history books. So you don't necessarily know people's reputation. You don't know people who put their, which scientists might be a little more open mind. About our usual theories and which ones are in a particularly snow, extraordinarily sceptic and dismissive and off the stuff, one of the guys. I found fascinating to look out from the really for the early on in this pandemic and discuss these discussions was Richard a bright whose over it,

rockers university. I had one of the things like people somewhere along the line. It became this idea that lab leaf eerie became associated with Trump Opposition to Lapland. Theory became so seated with opposition to drop Richard E bright. Will terror into tromp like there's? No, are by no means is he a structure leader or anything like that, but he all I believe that this is another. The lad leak theories, more likely uneasy written about a great deal he's among those guys who thinks gain a function. Research is far too dangerous to be permitted and that every time you do this, you rolling the dice with some other disaster. I read a bunch about this. I can remain agnostic. I do understand Elisa theory of the argument of if you want to search, really dangerous viruses, so you know how to treat them and how to create vaccines and how to stop them. You need to work with really dangerous viruses, which means you might have to take you to buy her citizen so bad and scary, and take various steps to make it. You know worse and scarier through DINA function to research and

things like that, but I also understand like this: they, if this really does traced back to the hundreds of our ology, which Europe I think I guess it outcomes razor right now. Seems more likely than others. I think every scenario of natural jumping from a bat somewhere it up you would. Need somebody down in southern China to catch. It then fig that would be one of the thirty percent or so who worry symptomatic, everybody they interact with his either asymptomatic Suno such mild symptoms. I don't think of it as much of anything beyond the usual sniffles. They said I'll get the nine hundred some miles between southern China, where these bats are to the city and along the way they don't effect anybody. I went to look it up. The first infection confirmed in you Non province, southern Krajina, which is where these bats are found, was January. Twenty. Third, by that point, the virus had been raging through what we hope for a month and there's no you'd you'd figure to be a trail. You figured you'd, be

seeing cases of viral infections leading from the spot where the bats are to this spot. Nine hundred miles where were the city is where the work who Nancy Seafood market is didn't happen to resettle missing for that up, and so, if anybody's changing their minds the one minute. Ok, I see where you're coming from thing Alex used letter does not a ton of new information. This dramatically different of where we were a say by April of twenty family, that's when velvety penguins. This is a virus that spreads like crazy from human being, to human being, completely contagious, but for some reason we can't find it invades entanglements, even though it so similar to the ones that are already founded, bats angles to really curious mystery. Here, too, does make you wonder- did something happened in that laboratory that changed it from the way it's founded the money in them in the wild, to a form where its perhaps idealise, to be infected in human beings? Maybe, as if you were say, doing dual use research, the could lead

he applied by weapons or something like that, and it somehow ends up getting caught out in city, whew Han and before you know, we're off running with this giant Benda anyway, embrace mothers, people missing. Look what labs have accidents over time? it's really frightened cdc about small pox at a closet like this is just a chinese thing. Every leaped Russians had done a leak of anthrax back in eighteen, seventy easily night for a whole bunch of time that a fire in one of their laps, storing smallpox me they they, U lab accidents happen. There filled with human beings and human beings, make mistakes and I think I must have fewer eating argument I have encountered in the past year and a half has been this o J Chinese scientists are just two diligent through just two. For they would make a mistake like this. Now that's what you I was dealing with. Somebody who is dealing with this blind, idealized vision of what scientists were, MR recognising their flesh and blood human beings are perfectly capable of sticking themselves with needles.

We're leaving doors open or leaving things builder leaving stuff in the wrong place. It happens and it's a low frightening to recognise that fact and some of the key. Reflexive denial we encountered over the past year now stems from the fact that a point- a very scary world and some of the is just ostrich head in the sand mentality. Let's do scary, so could possibly be the case. So Xanax question to you: how appalling do you consider the creation and protection of the bogus conventional wisdom around the origins of the virus? Zero. No big deal understand honest, egg or ten, a total scandal, I would say somewhere around eight or nine stickers. I think it's so transparent with the motivation was not absolve politically motivated and at the expense of getting the truth and perhaps getting a better solution or justice were quickly Emily. It's it's a ten because of it

that Facon census me rob us of the he XIV more certainty about what happened right. It. It lowered pressure until evidence further away or harder to get or people are just accepted. This outcome. And I M so eyes. I think it was hugely Hugely damaging jump. I got a and trying to calculate another big enough carried the four the at other zero another comma Adam Gaze.

That's my level of outrage rich, but I think it's completely attend it's just totally ten. There was there is no excuse for it. If you know it's it's hard to think of a more momentous question and a lot of it was just arrogance, laziness and politics, and just because Donald Trump and MIKE Pompeo's said something and Tom Cotton, it said something the opposite must be true. So is completely appalling. With that, let's pause and hear from our sponsor,

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over the last couple years and in fits and starts to sore point this minute, violence for one reason or another, all of it- horrifying and I think, what's especially troubling- or maybe I guess, what what they said concerning to me in a unique way. This time is how the misinformation- and I think, the intentional spread of misinformation by people who know better is probably spurring some of it or at least be spurring some of the lack of concern about it. Worthy, though, of attention being paid to it, and I think it's because you know that the media like people, the media, a lot of people on the left are honest about. What's going on in Israel right now, they're, not honest about the conflict they like to make. It seem as though everything happening there. All the violence is always the fault of Israel, as if their the antagonist as if there is not more complicated than that,

person, I think probably doesn't know much about. It, looks to the wrong places for information or maybe even mainstream sources and doesn't find the truth doesn't understand, the complexity of what's going on and you end up with attacks like of course, the not all motivated by misinformation, but I think it builds a culture where this sort of thing- and you know, is more likely to happen or where, when it does happen, is more likely to be ignored. Or you know not at not pay as much attention to us not to be empty. What to make of it so: it's Watershed moment I think, for american jewelry, and not that I am. In any way spokesmen for them, but you know This is like a pattern in history, right and Jews settle in a country make a life for themselves. Their end, one day. It just becomes acceptable to attack them

in the city, and they naturally wonder, is it time to move on again. And I know a lot of american Jews feel that America was. It was never going to be like that. Like the the nations of Europe through which Jews in her seemed to cycle throughout history- but when they see seems like what we saw in New York and in other places, when you ve had for years in New York, the visibly jewish Idee, those that are orthodox and where grasses orthodox Jusan city had been subject to a lot of random, not not random, they ve been started. Lot of targeted street violence, It tat is a huge moment in June

certain abandoning France, because Paris doesn't feel safe. That New York, should not feel safe for Jews is an incredible national scandal. I think beyond that, there's also this. Something is lurking behind honest. That's almost unsaleable, let me venture ITALY's toward saying it to the reckoning. Left ideology that is, colouring, everything with white supremacy. Is dangerous for the Jews and its also dangerous for Asians, because this ideology says: that nobody but bought can succeed in Erica because America's a white supremacist society.

And so when. Jews, succeed, are you become white, In this analysis or worse, they become traders to these oppressed minority right. They become like worse, like like somehow their visa, the pet of white supremacy, and maybe the target of the most intense hatreds. I think it's extremely dangerous right. It's not. NEO Nazis in New York City that are attacking Jews. It's not people who. You know our in Thrall to the French knew well

in a new right were attacking Jews. We know whose attacking Jews and its it's disgusting. Yet if war white supremacist carrying out his tackle tax on the street would be thorough. Nuclear story- worry, you had four amount. They left is trying to ignore this with honourable exceptions, but Michel Albert who is left wing Comest one of the left wing colonists at the New York Times eyes, I should say, had peace how bad this is now. A big part of argument was that it's bad because it helps conservatives but cheat. She did call it out and Jim it just it seems to me. We will have to be careful that too tribute responsibility for such attacks on the attackers themselves in a rather than something someone else, sad but it just does seem as though that this kind of activity

is at some level sort of sub streaming on the fact that the left have become more anti Israel and on this effort to deal agenda Mise the jewish state- and this gets a what Michael was saying about: white whites privacy from from another. Another angle which can can imagine we'll be like for a south african save visiting the the United States in the nineteen eighties when South Africa's door and apartheid state in this current social and political environment sway Have people saying that Israel is an apartheid state that it is crushing and committing crimes against humanity, against the Arabs and dismissed and against the Palestinians. You're you're going to have people kind of taking to the next level here and the firstly, for you, it's what you, if you were paying attention to foreign affairs during among your balmy, yours, would say: go back to

the Bush years and you looked at most a continental Europe, although you saw some of this over the United Kingdom to you, saw Generally angry muslim immigrants are native born a lot of Turks in Germany. Lot Algerians and France were horizontally, very upset about Israel, but you saw these european governments we're getting a little more trepidation about openly supporting Israel or standing with Israel in part. Because of these angry Muslim demonstrate, in that kind of grew, louder and louder. Look in countries that have freedom of speech. Shea everyone should have the right to protest in and say nothing. My government is having their own policies here, but then started violence target is pushing start getting enough said there is a sense that it was no longer this sense, religious solidarity, this written sense of Renault, ethnic or or how? an arab or pen, muslim solidarity. It turns out.

Something more menacing or the more sense of if you dont say if stay on the side of the folks like us, The lash out at the societies, even though, were hundreds of miles away from this one of the problems of the Erika II com, pro palestinian and israeli, functionally too pro Hammas Hamas as a bunch of terrorists. They, like the strap you no suicide bombs and invest some kids and sentiment, pizzerias and stuff like that, unless it has been reformed Hamas, but find whatever the Cubans, Oh we're, not anti. You were only anti Israel or oh, where anti Zionist, but these principles, they get to define the terms bigoted I use is real the zionist and whose u, secondly, all those people sitting in restaurants in New York City, in LOS Angeles There are many Israelis, their prospects may or may not. Been scientists like a baby, we're gonna, whose a Jew right that would say,

but he tells you who you are in such explicit terms than what they believe in what they're all about believe them. Don't run arousing always he's running around the restaurant screaming, whose a Jew, but really his angry about Israel balls nano at that point. You only care about hurting Jews and you're, not a protest to throw away that term is it your protest, your marching, you're wearing, assign you gotta chanting. That's why you're first them right to do that once you start right. Looking for people to beat up, you are not a protester, you are a fog, And I can't help but notice that, like you could argue good point back to January six, you could point back to the George Loi protests and black lives matter. Marches quickly turn into writing afterwards. This is very. Thin line between. I am angry about this and I am angry this Ergo, I am justified in taking this criminal act and

nonsensical excuse it's almost it Forest Gump, there's this scene, where this idiot stopped beating Jenny and forest Gump calls it out in the idiot says you know it's assesses Johnson, stamp war right it. Why are you running order, restaurants, trying to find Jews and beat them up articles of the Israelis that that Darn iron dome it's just so effective at protecting innocent people? It's a convention Kay its connection between seasonings. Just should be obvious by this point it's weird. It is really weird that when Israel gets into a conflict with palaces the aims and listen you MIKE, I don't mind if you're appalled some of the violence. I dont mind if you think that Israel, Israelis, humiliate path, Palestinians in day to day life and sometimes as breeds resentment, that

be that as it may, it's weird that people, Come out into the streets in european capitals to start Bernie the star of David, when this happens, but when Ere the ones government goes after the Kurds in Iraq. More aggressive and violent way when the Saudis are Starving Yemen, with with much more you support than Israel gets nothing absolute silence. Why is that Do you? People maybe they're not even conscious of it in some weird way. Of these events, but why are they not conscious of it? Why do they see this double standard. It's it's. Its unsettling. It almost gives a kind of like the it has the vibe of a kind of,

Spiritual demonic aspect to it and that's it actually would troubles me the most rightly I think it s time we talked about this. I said that there is an undercurrent of a debate, but means a Brussels in Jerusalem about you know. How do you actually minorities and, in Brussels, says, nationalism and liberalism and Zionism says a nation state, but like This is something else this is. This is something really sick and demonic where people are like. The people seem to come anxiously to say, Jews or Nazis. They ve been waiting to say it and that's it anybody else's a plurality could it it's. It shows that the fragility or non existence of human progress for Europe are applicable moment. Still

She was getting beaten up and the cities based based on lies and superstition specifically, so according to use and over the medium term, the Anti Semitism other left will abate stay the same or get worse near view. I think it will most likely get worse. I think it kind of comes goes, but I think every time it it comes back. It's in a worse adoration jump. Right Now all indicators are getting worse and continuing worse Emily either it sir. It's definitely going worse and it's like we're gonna be on this cycle, the made like the Uk Labour Party was where gets worse and worse until people realise this is actually a deep moral Liability, that's becoming an electron liability to,

I completely agree, I think it'll get worse. I think the left, as can become more anti Israel and will become more inevitably more anti semitic as well so then another depressing story, John Siena, a professional wrestler wrestler and accurate who's gonna star in F. Nine is during and after the latest fastened furious France, May we can hear more from GM about that later in more detail. That fast, are you, professor furious vandam alone, EC assumptions. Undressed semi does. He had never seen we need. I saw one the young, the Rock and Jason state them one. So not that I've got word to the scandal that the moving as making assumptions, but anyway he ate Then he apologized in Mandarin for referring to Taiwan as a country. What do you make of it

It is depressing to see, of course, not where you'd like to see from a famous actor. Ideally, he would uses clout to take the opposite stance, so according to see for sure, but not terribly surprising. I think Hollywood in general has this stance of of Kyoto. To China, because it's convenient and their more ought to Iraq, not just Hollywood, but big corporations and the United States, Canada, China, because it's convenient, they want access to the market there. They don't want it to anger. The chinese government. And to be a little bit of how he saw no Netflix and other big something companies threatening to pull out of the state of Georgia after they passed the the pro life Harpy Bell a couple years back, but have absolutely no qualms are continuing to famine in China as they put weaker, and concentration camps and do all sorts of other unspeakable things. You know it's not surprising to see, but very frustrating yet Jim. This is his really a deeply disturbed,

roaming phenomenon, right that the last Anti China Movie, that Hollywood made was seven years in Tibet and I think pretty much everyone involved and that has has profusely, apologized and China, has this massive market force now, there's willing to throw around and no one in Hollywood is well to cross them, and they will demand it seems the card that lives be changed, and now it's gotten where Hollywood just preemptively and put in any scene or or align or anything that would potentially be offensive to, ideas. Sensors, could it doesnt want have to deal with the problem of of re cutting scenes

especially if, if China demands changes at the last moment say you have Hollywood, this major American in three that is much more willing to criticise, the United States and any other country in the world then our foremost, adversary, disgusting tyranny, that's committing genocide as we speak, Yeah, we actually a very interesting contrast. You gonna alluded to their riches that think about the discussion of China in America's political realm and what you hear from lawmaker what you read in the pages of National review, but even out even us, like conservative magazines, I give you read any major publication, United States. It covers the news, the rise of China and its growing economic influence globally and its growing cultural influence globally and its growing Willingness to use its authority in all its forms is, if not topic, one

Certainly a thing to think about how many economists covers have had some aspect of the rise of China on it over the past decade to decade three decades and now look at the output of Hollywood. Hollywood is basically not addressed this other than mentioned seven years in Tibet. I am also thinking like didn't read Richard you did a very tough on China. You know film about there show trials and stuff like that. The basically really he's on the he's on the blacklist there his there were. You can base the count on one hand the number of issues movies that have even addressed the potential. China being unfriendly on one hand, whereas if you watch like Michael Bays, transformers although some of my love of the chinese military is coming to see on call. You know this, like ludicrously over the top positive portrayal of the Chinese, There is big. John Siena should not get anymore tough guy roles.

If any to cast somebody who gets a sand kicked in the face by somebody. That's fine or somebody was grovelling. You you know, whimper something five sizzling he could have try are your movie star. I dunno international relations, sorry, yet he could have tried to brush it off the fat eagerly You gave my my colleague on the three martini lunch break rhombus when I got a transcript of what he said and if you tried to parity and and movie star, begging and grovelling for forgiveness, to the chinese authorities and to the people of China for daring to heavy offended Than any possible way like it would be over it's beyond. It is just ludicrously Umberto. One of those things were intriguing. The John seated did not say the about doing that. Guy walk around his heels. Matuschka was not willingly, not at all. I could at the same level the lot of the NBA Stars alot of here There is see it once there is enough money on the table almost every, elite in american life is willing to say I will turn a blind eye to genocide. I will turn up

and I to Hong Kong. I will turn up and I to any amount of human rights abuses, because there's a lot of money to be made in those markets, no priorities, I'm entirely sure that the chinese market is such a big deal. For: U S film, girls and whether you, U S procope for commercial poppies, really are going to find it such fertile ground. That dumb, I think it's, unfortunately, Hollywood studio wants me the first one to say you know what we're not even trying anymore we're gonna make films that we took care of our films offend China. And we will really need this market is fascinating to see. There's not a thing studio willing to come out and say yeah we're going to the american film studio. Yet anybody that this gets to a point that our friend sometimes adversaries, her populous on the right, make. It is Michael and read this book on the new class worth came out at a year or two ago, when the points he made is. Is there used to be this enormous influence that Middle America had,

on filmmaking in America in one just the audience right, it was the you didn't wanna offend them to their actually formal organizations that had a role in in literally in censoring american movies and influencing them in a very important way now make. Maybe it's it's better. That is not the case any but if you ve had that kind of wiped out and and then you because of the them, because a market dynamics has this this power over Americans Cinema being and spurred overseas, chinese sensors having this huge role in the adoration of american films, when it used to be middle middle american setups variable it's it's hard to even imagine even you, no nineteen, Midcentury, America and its most serious, I mean

It's hard to imagine that country like if, if regime, Bordeaux, Accidently referred to the kingdom of Hawaii in a statement, it's hard to imagine Middle America being like make her bag in English. For forgiveness, Cuba. This United States is nineteen. Fifty nine! Dare this French. The shutters contradict us either. It's just impossible to imagine that. There's a there's, a hysteria, the chinese nationalism that is really weird and distorting and yeah I mean, I think, one of the reasons that the fulfilment trees, so I'm dead point to China is whether scupper reasons. One is that

it's not just you know is that the Chinese Communist Party controls which american films get in to try the chinese market and they hold studios accountable for all the films that they make and they hold this He accountable for all the talent they employ in the same way that the NBA gotten trouble collectively when we general manager criticized the chinese government, so that's the reason. The other reason is, is, of course, the failure of the conservative movement to get rid of Hollywood communist seventy years ago, when we should have the cat I'm kidding but am- No I mean this is this. This level of soft power is extremely distressing to us. In part, because

Americans, we are the ones who are used to exercising soft power ourselves right, I mean after we were to mean much of Europe, was an end. Some of EAST Asia was actively YO becoming americanized with the influence of our culture, and much of them, even kind of showing in a different way there you know their fealty to us. I mean it's it's I mean I remembered I think of shared a stray before, and I remember being told by hungarian girl my age that she remembers. When Russia left in her childhood and then the russian language disappeared and then, which took its place and suddenly Disney films were on Hungarian, tv every Sunday afternoon, and it is so we are the ones or east exercising this

of power, and now we have this weird situation where English still the lingua franca of the Globe, America's still the most important market. By China is the most important manufacturing shop and China. Business in China is how a lot of english speaking people get rich and we're seeing the consequences of that now with this sum, total deference. I mean there's a term for what is a very flattering term, for what John scene it did there. It's called being a white monkey is no response given to him by chinese people for doing this. They there enjoying his humiliation, goods. They really clear. This isn't like

he's restoring relations of equals. He is enacting his his humiliation subservience to a superior when he doesn't expression excursion to use, and you will see at nine in a theater on streaming or on an airplane at some point you think yes or no, most, certainly not if it comes on. I will ever my eyes not just because of this Jim Gary idly not but, like you know what I'm just it did not look at a week night, I'm looking for the channels. My eyes can end up, will lapse in it. Anything the man my mother used to always watch these dumb popcorn like some kind of control for the myself too, but our yeah, why

she just just to keep up with the culture. Yes, sir, I I'm might not a huge fannys movies, my myself, but my my brother loves actions movies and I haven't in Yemen and was seen of what's the last year, but we have not got going to see a movie serve if a fine, if we're together- and this is in the theatres we we very well my guess. Yet I am looking at the Wikipedia Entry for it and it said initial reviews of the film are mixed with praise for its plot and Linz direction, but criticism first unrealistic action secret. And that those awful point, the aid. That is the point of this series, when the first, furious audience says. You're stunts are unrealistic. Michael Jackson call you weird, rightly said a few other things before we go there and your recently ceased yelling

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the same as the old seriously. I grew up. Reading an old destroyers of the older. Does I love it It should put towards very well on her peace, which can be found on an hour to regard it as very tough, not to allude to this discussion of our last topic. Jack butlers has marble PETE Oh Jack has done it you're like left right, left right about. You know big serious, important stuff like loudly stuff, and I also want to write about like fluffy fun. You know, what's going to the movies thinks I'm jump. Does this fastening job emerging them both in summer? one half the peace being a very serious look at marvels access to the chinese market at the financial face, the challenges it faces with the gradual reopening of theatres and things like that Then it also observes just what marble got come on out and why it may not be quite as popular as if it were appealing as the other stuff. For those of you listen who have managed to catch the marble trailer for the next upcoming filmy turtles. I understand it.

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