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Episode 354: The Mother of All Reconciliation Bills

2021-08-10 | 🔗

Today on The Editors, Rich, Charlie, Alexandra, and Jim discuss the behemoth reconciliation bill, the IPCC’s alarmist climate-change nonsense, and Cuomo’s downward spiral. 

Editors’ picks: • Rich: Dan McLaughlin’s post “The Colorado Rockies Dinger Affair and the Racism Deficit” • Charlie: Dan McLaughlin’s piece “The Radical Ruling against Ron DeSantis on Cruise-Ship Vaccine Passports” • Alexandra: David Harsanyi’s piece “After GOP Surrender on Infrastructure, McConnell Should Hold Reconciliation Bill Hostage” • Jim: Charlie’s piece “Presidents Cannot Engage in Official ‘Acts of Civil Disobedience’

Light items: • Rich: The length of baseball games • Charlie: An ode to a beloved pair of flip-flops • Alexandra: Learning to kayak • Jim: Visiting the National Portrait Gallery

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Bernie Sanders drops the mother of all reconciliation deals, the IPCC Gospel on alarmist and yet more Andrew Como scandals we'll discuss all the more on this edition of the editors on reflection. I enjoyed by the Right honourable Chelsea, Debbie Cook, Alexander's and sank just and say to Us and his knee was Jim Garrulity. You are, of course, listening to a national view, gas, their sponsors this week arm monk born branch sheets and whip more about call them in due course. It blisters park ass, a national Yoda comrade led to have you gotta, be easier for you and better for us. The latest party or feed
at the stream services out there can spot a fight. I tunes like what you hear your please consider giving us going fast. Argue on itunes you'll, like what you hear. Please forget, I said anything so then I was a simplified a little bit in that Intro Bernie Sanders has actually drop the bill, but we got in auctions from Bernie Sanders Budget Committee on what other committees should do with this reconciliation bill, and it is Jawdropping Lee radical. what we expected three point: five trillion dollars of spending, but then just just seeing it set out even Justinus. Wishlist form is still just Kurdistan. This is basically the bird, Sanders agenda its crib notes from the Bernie Sanders agenda, not the full on Bernie Sanders, but but discernible in the sand.
Agenda what he make of it itself that this came out, because I was just going back in and re reading. Some of the coverage. I did have a job vines, campaign early on in the democratic primary back when it looked honestly like he was gonna lose you did so poorly and I won the big things he kept saying on the standby was basically look. I'm different mommy's Democrats. They have all these massive spending plans. They want explain how they want to pay for it, and it's nice to tell People you're gonna give them all the stuff. But how are you gonna? Do it ain't sounding almost like a concern because he was trying to distinguish himself from the whole Slater. Progressed and now rolling in here with a massive spending, go. That's everything Bernie want is virtually indistinguishable. and his administrations agenda. Ours is virtually indistinguishable from what one all the progressive wanted during the Democratic primary- and I guess maybe he'll one Miss Gallagher, goodbye suspected held back this volume
they're, probably plenty of Democrats on a more progressive side in the house who would like to go even further and out even more n or spend even more on some of these big, second items, because that's what they were saying when NATO, when all the infrastructure debates were going on, they were well what's up the up the tag on that our reconciliation to oil and gas. We don't get everything we want on infrastructure, so I mean who knows if this will end up being the the top line, hopefully they'll be able to bring it down, especially with some of the minor Democrats in the Senate, but you're saying that this is what they're going for us all unbelievable, can get our colleagues feel Klein had observed asian but of a couple weeks ago, but it's every bit as relevant today, which is that were well past. The point of, if you look at the year, two thousand nine Rex and Tele had had his rant on CNBC and you'd start by by this point you does
argued started to see what became the tea party movement, that the Obama Stimulus bill and various other big spending initiatives had gotten the conservative republican, grassroots, really fire. And also a whole bunch of independence and how much other people who didn't like the bail out didn't like the I'd Obamacare was a big factor. This big, the right wing government spending is out of control. Why are they doing this taking to raise taxes? And we really haven't seen that same? If that was really see the grass roots energy with their lives in the protests by it may be that because the tea party lawmakers, don't do Tahoe meetings anymore, maybe they're afraid to hold them because of covert or something like that, but they're they're really just isn't that same level of engagement and it's it's depressing and its frustrating. Could it happen some time between now and the mid term elections sure? But I can feel like that
right now. The conservative grass roots to the extent that engage our engaged on other issues, whether it sir the recall out in California or battles over masks and reopening schools and covered restrictions and stuff, like that. Maybe some of this stilted, often too crazy, culinary soften. If the other observation that kind of comes to mind is that went, Bush left the station in two that fifty thousand intellectual Bush left the stage and and for that matter, so Dick Cheney. There was no President hanging around saying, I'm still the leader of this party. I still set the agenda. I still am in charge. Clearly, president tromp is eight with former president. Trump is just a very different figure. End I dont think he's. Never been a big guy of spending stuff, like any other spending and infrastructure. Bilsby is not really doing around the country. Turner rally support against it or pressure on Republicans of earth, and if that is much more focused on his rest, imminent restoration, this August and all the other evidence of the election
stolen stuff like that, so I'm just gonna go right now. If you want to galvanise republican opposition to these bills, one. The passion and enthusiasm just isn't there that there was twelve years ago. Edition Also just the idea. The issue different issue environment is working hard, working against fiscal conservatives right now, so Charlie leave TAT a lot about is expanding bells, obviously of less stir six months or so and covered relief bill. We kind of comfort ourselves well, this is just spending is getting kind of wash out, which seems to be the case, Is there anything permanent has been created by that covered belief bill? No, but this if they actually got this level of spending and is not necessarily the level but actually started most of these programmes. Universal Pre K free commute they call other subsidies, further college students,
actions in Medicare and Obamacare, and on and on on the game here is once you start, those they they'd probably are never going to be. Undone, so this wish list, if we actually happen, would be hugely consequential. It wasn't. It bears repeating. The context in which this is being attempted is not at all conducive. to it were hugely in dead. We're running massive deficits once again, with spent five trillion dollars in covert mitigation at the federal level. It was not on the cards two years ago. We have the risk of info, and the economy, as the president is keen to tell us, is bring very nicely on its own, and yet the Democratic Party is trying to
Push through the sort of agenda that one would have thought it would have needed, they sound as its president to achieve whether Congress that was friendly, but neither of those since has been met. Bernie Sanders is not president, the president, Joe Biden, who ran ass a moderate Congress is split. Fifty fifty in the Senate and with the three seat democratic advantage in the house, the smallest house majority, I believe, for a century the first world war. There was a moment during one of the debates in twenty twenty, at which Donald Trump said that Joe Biden Party was socialist and Joe Biden said in response. I am the Democratic Party right now, but he's not
before he won the twenty twenty election. He showed that he wouldn't condemn core packing Abandoned his long standing opposition to abolition or even reform off the filibuster, and having one hears decided preposterously, but he's an f the office. but the message that he received in twenty twenty was that the country needed completely changing and it would be completely changed by this. If this reconciliation package went through ass, I won't say written but, as outlined It would be the biggest change in american domestic policy since Obamacare and before that, since the great society, we have a very, very strange political, dynamic it job
and ran for president barely appearing anywhere, partly due to covet, partly because he lacks energy but said. He ran for President saying we need to restore norms we neither capable pair of hands and we need to get rid of Donald Trump and the electric did that surgically it turns out, they did not issue, a nineteen thirty two Jeanne sixty four style rebuke. They said magically removed. President Trump, while keeping his party right at the margins of power at ninety thousand boats gone the other way. Republicans would have one everything at state level. Democrats made none of the gains that they want it and, in fact, had the election results stay
as they were on election night Republicans would have had fifty one senators. I say that not to suggest anything on toward happened. It didn't but David to do one his seat on election night, but because he didn't hit fifty percent, there was a run off, which was then one fair and square by the Democrats. This was not an impetus. For this sort of massive spending and not just massive spending as a one off. As you say, most of the covert spending was but forever the introduction of huge new parts of the welfare state which will only metastasize and we'll never shrink. Of course, I am opposed to a close. I think it's a responsible, but I think it's worth pointing out again and again that it is inappropriate for binding and the Democrats to be pushing this says an ex question to you on the reconciliation will give us a total number.
What what the amount will be, of the reconciliation bill, assuming you think it will pass despotism decimal places report. I think that these three point two trillion three point two in this kind of high, can get it right he's got the idea. That's my default, rich to quote Chevy Chase, doing Gerald Ford, It is my understanding there be no math involved in the taking of this point gas ads, go, but when all is said and done actually with a higher, it's always safer to take the over than the under I've got a higher than Zander and say three point four trillion a point for say they eat it s basically think they're. Getting it all very much be I
mentions an alarm. I mean I'm negotiator, downtime embarrassed to save some face, but otherwise you mention gets out the climate stuff about a better climate stuff. But if I had to choose between what will be cut new entitled, the programmes are transforming the day care for american children. With this vast commercialized system, I take the climate stuff, but I think measure which is gonna get that out, but let's go to Charlie for his number. I've been yours on this and share the presumption that it will be high. I'm beginning to see a few rumblings, especially in the house among moderate members, and he read the tea leaves in Joe Biden. That's our mention, not Biden outrageous to live as well said some hosting the pot gas. Have you got that yeah, not least both called Joe and at least both
last names have two syllables, and at least that both Democrats, unlike fake calling someone Greg, total soap, I probably career ending- I I think it might be a lot lower at stream. It's still going to be disastrous, is still going to be contributed to our debt and deficits and pub to our continuing socialisation, but maybe go for two trillion to all the way to, while I, sir I've asked. A version of this question before asked total infrastructure you and reconciliation bill, and if memory serves out at three point, two assuming there'll be about five, rebellion and new spending the interrupted own. That's that's what it can: to that's, that when cooking at two point, seven percent, isolation bill and I'm gonna go lower. I think I am Two point five. Maybe I think maybe two point three. I think they can have trouble power.
In this. They gotta get over two trillion. I think two trillion is the threshold here, and there were just did that what be acceptable, get get honour that so too the event has taken. We get it to torture. I says, but I think that two point three You know they have zero margin, literally in the Senate, what they have three or four votes. Now she already have always is x. Relatively moderate members in the house writing a letter to Nancy closely expressing expressing concerns your question about spell so I think it's gonna be lower and the next, as we discuss the next one Actually in their matters. A lot you can spend and we should spend two point three trillion dollars in any, not emergency circles. As is world without a world war, but what's actually in their matters a lot and how many those new berries,
This entire programmes gets in their get in their matters. A lot, I think, is heavy bay, but not quite as bad as Zan Jim. It would quite literally be better both for the long term fiscal half the country and also to limit inflationary pressure. If we just burned money, you're more without Jim, I mean it off you'd, probably not in this common good say where the next topic. I just use the carbon missions Charlie, all right, so that less here from my first sponsor This episode filled the blank brush. Then You didn't say: rents, you may not be getting a complete clean mouthwash is a key part of your whole. Mouse else has gets between to kill bad breath germs and help strengthen enamel. Thankfully, the oral care experts equip Chris super simple way to make mouthwash part of your daily.
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so Charlie? We have another report from the ipcc they constantly get more alarmist. This is the most alarmist yet leading to all sorts of headlines about how the game is over Change is upon us and destroying humanity and our planet, as we know at what do you make of it? We ve ever been at such a sector. That time we discussed around I'll, see what I'm not hopeless time zone. the mass, not you embarrassed myself, I think that There is a chasm between the scientific debate or scientific analysis and the political discussion, mandate in genders.
so we're looking at another report that says everything is terrible. I am not. sold on that, although I am not what you would call denier. I think there is some problem here, but irrespective of whether we are looking at catastrophe or a problem to be solved, the. Knee jerk reaction seems to me to be completely divorced from both the underlying, problem and the likely solution. The underlying problem. is not the United States, not unless you think that people are willingly going to give up all modernity. The underlying problem is not Europe, not Australia, The underlying problem is,
Massive use of fossil fuels in places that up until about yesterday were unbelievably porn downtrodden faces such as China and India places. I don't want to some good reason. Listen to us tell them to stop the United States, could do everything on the most fervent greens wishlist tomorrow, and that IPCC report wouldn't change one whit so assembly. who lives in the real world. You have to ask what now and I think what now is to continue The progress that we have already made and to encourage as much real innovation as possible
will, hopefully, then bleed down into poorer nations. When I say real innovation, I don't mean handing huge wads of cash to well connected green lobbyists. I mean the sort of innovation that has brought us the vaccine sort of innovation that one world war- two The sort of innovation that is the Americans are very good at. There is no real difference in what our approach should be
If the IPCC is most far fetched scenario is likely or if its most modern scenario is likely, we have to stay the course and that is keep ourselves wealthy and innovative, keep addressing the problem in ways that actually help solve it, rather than fulfil some other economic aim and prevail as much as is possible, and I'm sorry, but it's not that possible on the countries that are now the real problem here and the United States is not among them. yes, Sir Zan on morning, Jealous Murray, richer horse. The presence of the council for relations with saying what we need to do is take drastic action here in the United States to combat fossil fuels and trends
into this glorious, green energy future in order to shame China. And the changing its behaviour on everyone. Anyone says this is like. Ok. Could we like We shane them and said to not undertaking a genocide against the Wiggers burst like it. If there really open to being shamed would not be led them up, but the greater mobility. The child, that would that be the area where the most susceptible to influence and, of course, they're not gonna, be shamed. the workers or over bringing on a huge fleet of new coal fired power plants because they are pursuing. Our interest- and I think the other key thing to happen this year and Michael Charm, Berger and Roger Poky Junior have made this points on twitter, not new points for them, but We have greater resilience dealing with with all sorts of all sorts of disasters. People are fewer people are dying of blood from floods and also natural disasters and ever before, because
Our societies have modernized and grow and as they do, they become more resilient out? Looking at a piece on the at the Atlantic very alarmist about this report There's a line and they're the same at the sea level increase a could catch new for millennia, but two thousand years from now. We really think that we want a better technologies has you're the sea level rise, so that B B. alarm, ism about the impacts on actual human, Beings just assume without won't do anything. To adapt when we are the most adaptive species on the planet and have demonstrated that, thousands and thousands of years tat, I mean my problem. So much of this environmental activism that we see, especially when it takes the form of policy which always means taking the form of controlling
basically, everything about you how we live are proposing to do so or proposing just an enormous amount of money that we don't have, is that in all seems to exist in a vacuum song on the train. Appoint right, there's, no reason to think that China is ever going to follow any sort of Paris climate accord or anything else. You know what, with or without a component of shame China interested. In doing this, it's just not going to happen and serve to propose these plans that hinge on China going along with that, have any noticeable effect whatsoever on the kinds of The enormous are worried about just not going to happen, and even if they did, it As far as I know, the effect would be basically negligible which is why I don't doubt that Charlie sent to some extent a lot of stuff is real, but I do doubt how much effect we can have on an even by totally society, one global changes, every single country went along with it. I'm not kidding.
That much would be controllable about it, and so, while I do think a lot of people who are worried about this issue, our sincere, I think, at the political level, it's become kind of this bad Ram especially for Democrats to hit Republicans to act like they don't care about the environment act I don't care about people dying or floods or whatever other ridiculous thing they can caught based on This narrative and its also another excuse to control corporations, to control large segment of the economy and to spare again enormous amounts of money that we don't have, doesn't mean that they are in a maybe aren't really worried about climate change, our interests using it as an excuse, but they certainly are pretending but we can do a lot that we, I dont, think reasonably speed. We can do and, as you say, they ignore the many things we can do to deal with the effects of climate. Things that aren't resulting in the entire world blowing up put just how they make it sound Jim, but before we go any further,
I want to just take It- will survey of the three of you, because you're Barone slightly different places, Rich Europe plus the New York City, Charlie you're, down in Florida. I will just had this. Really grim report talking about climate change and the right the oceans and- and this comes on the heels of many similar reports. Its inevitable what's happening is getting worse, maybe you guys seen any cheap beetroot property lately anybody selling and either the beach run condos our homes dirt cheap, as I just want to get out before the waters rise. Obama has not a lot of it. The idea, it's. What I like. These people keep telling us that its autonomy under water and a few years we have less than ten years to save the planet, and yet there I guess the plan is to throw the beach for ass right up until the very end. Had you Jim with a totally unrelated question before I let you go back on on this journey, Are you on Obama's party so with that fit, and people must be vaccinated outside of further protest
ex grotesque access to think there is any reason not to have their party on public health grounds, not the slightest presuming that as we ve been told that the majority of people are either vaccinated or brought a recent test. In our sitting. There were negative ideally everybody to be vaccinated. I prefer that proportion of vaccinated two recent test to be as high in the vaccinated direction is possible You know you get to the test. Can only tell you at that moment of the test and always possible. You pick up the virus somewhere on the way to the parties, but by large. No, it's fine at its safe for you to get together with all your backs needed friends. It safer Europe it the scale thing I've I've been running, but Lollapalooza Concert and Chicago interests me knock them that interested in the concert. It's because something like I do some pretty ninety percent or so had proof of vaccination poorly skilled. To have proof of vaccination, I'd always possible some imperfect nonsense. Also the other and everyone else who has led in had re a recent negative asked and recent men unalaska at last three days.
The word was all giving his terrible super spreader event and yesterday the job I kept. Looking through the numbers, Cargo in Illinois and not really seeing any evidence of their being some giant spike in cases now to wake up to isolate. Who went to the concert who didn't. The numbers for Chicago in the numbers for Illinois State wide, but Yeah cases have gone up, but they were gone up since before the cancer. So there's no real spike. There's no real change in the previous trend that so many is perfectly safe. People were vaccinated or recently tested negative to get the other, whether its three people are a hundred thousand people at Lollapalooza, obviously one as many people vaccinate as possible, and I think that cdc, nobody also doing a nor The service to everyone by saying. Sure you and your friends are vaccinated. Getting together might still be dangerous, stay at home that decides certainly not around me. I love you wind up on their said that this global warming answer which likely I've I've been promising. There was bursting ready to come out anyway, so so by by both sides. By observation that
The people who are telling us it is a crisis, aren't really acting like it's a crisis in the way out. Our line will be moving in London for real rapidly the degree movement as a whole really does not like to re. Examine its initial assumptions about how this debate works and how public reactions work. They they look. He's they keep trumpeting them because they really seen believe look at how bad. these numbers are. You must take action that disabled people to say. Oh, my god he's these numbers have never been worse. It's never been more dire. The debt disasters are everywhere, we'd, better. Do something we'd better agree to this start enacting laws that restrict carbon emissions, and things like that no, it doesn't work that way quickly build appalling numbers and be, curious thing about it is that I think However, while ecologist transitive, both rob doomed anyway, what's the point, why should I give up my suv? Why should I give up my big man
why should I make any changes to my lifestyle if the whole planets going to burn in a generation anyway, by the way, I don't think the plan is going to burn in a generation but in the second day the kind of comes out of and then another aspect that I think they really whistling passed. A graveyard is right, metaphor here, but your sexual look a bit over the Good NEWS as if you're looking for good news glow carbon dioxide emissions fell by six point four percent. Last year at twenty twenty, when the covert nineteen point Eric was going around you think about it. It was every time in human history we suddenly see a drop in carbon emissions. Particulars several months and twenty twenty, when you no matter how much is this it is all around the world came to a screeching halt factories. Stop transport, stop people stated home. People did not move, no use a publisher, your old all these different things at all, my god and all that really did was a six point. Four percent drop and they expect this year's can be back up normal levels. So if the even that could now
cause. If significant reduction in carbon emissions, then there is really no way you can change people's behaviour in a way that do so in a significant manner. The only way out of this through innovation, because the only this, basically, if you can't, if, if anybody, staying at home, avoiding their neighbors, avoiding the friends not going to work, shutting out the factories or not if they that didn't, do it, no one's gonna. Do it like that? That's that's the problem, a stir! restrictions on human behaviour can possibly imagine the before I leave this topic is one last thing I want to blow your possible mind, What was really baffling is it you'd like well? Ok, this is really gonna cost. Asia is the best puzzling the study was up on the BBC. This argued that Lockdown actually had a slight warming affected spring twenty point because, as well as industry ground to a halt, air pollution drop and so did the ability of aerosols, tiny particles produced by the burning of fossil fuels.
to cool the planet by reflecting sunlight away from the earth. The impact and global temperatures was very short, lived in very small, an increase of just three one hundred to one of one degrees celsius, but it was still bigger than anything caused by the lockdown. Belated changes in ozone, co2 or aviation based on this carbon emissions are saving us just goes to what a huge and complicated system that the climate is tried to gems point about how the covered lockdown only reduce carbon emissions by the small amount of six point. Four percent you'd really need in this area, because the green new deal and their more open Moments are frank about this. You really need a morgenthau plan to be imposed on them hierarchy of the Industrial West and China. Yes,.
and indeed some people said, notwithstanding Jim's point that it turns out not to have what that what we really needed was the lockdown ass we saw last year, thanks to cover it for a long time? I was the line from the hard line, environmentalists. I think. that doing what was suggested this morning on morning. Joe would not just be ineffective, but it would actually make things a great deal worse in that. We are less likely to influence China if we are weak, And the one way to guarantee that we are weak is to destroy our economy. The radical plan that has been proposed is around
the peace for american decline, and we know which nation is going to fill the gap, and we know it she will not fill that gap and then out of some abstract sense of benevolence, decide to limit its aims. Since a strong America is by far and away the best way of escaping disaster because This is an open country, it is an honest country. It is a politically accountable country, notwithstanding the complaints that we have, and it is a country that is well trusted and well liked. Yes, I'll get angry with America, but if they think that America bad news on the international scene? They should try and live on the Chinese Communist Party at Germany. So I think that,
The idea that America should we can itself to show, China into doing the right thing is not just neutral a futile naive, it's actually dangerous and an insofar as we can control this. We should be taking the opposite approach. So there s a question to climate change will become a top cheer issue. An american politics and a sustainable fashion run in our own nothing's, arrogant as important as the economy. But running after the economy? Second, third or fourth, and voters mines election after election, yes or no And say no, I I think it become or remain. I suppose much more of a partisan issue were democrat
are worried about it in and moderates and Republicans not so much can get it. I can go without ever know, some are going to be, issue. People don't care about you and those who say that they do care about your tend not to when you put it to them, that their costs associated. I make it unanimously. Answer is no with that. It's time to your from our second sponsor this episode
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New York, Andrew Car, Quabos agony. You have the New York Assembly Speaker coming out her in each man you're saying he asked to go and tell people that I think he said. I think so story this morning. reporting on Tuesday morning, that's all press in the house might support which meant you have a week's about how Coamo might be trying to wriggle off the hook by cutting it a deal or he would agree not to run again, but the election isn't for a fifteen month. So it anyone actually trust him, and he says Stop Impeach Mina agreed on not to run again, but I dont think I was gonna trust that assurance, and that rumours shot down by various influential democrats. this day, then you have the resignation of commerce, right hand, Melissa de Rossa, who was involved in their defence year and evolve and smearing
one of the accusers where'd, you see the said it. Let's go there to talk about this right after blank because we're talking about a completely different kind of dead meat that is currently feeling a bit further Geraghty. Did there three developments that are causing our particular fascinating last twenty four hours, or so and ironically, none of them had to do with Quabo himself release not directly. The first is Roberta Kaplan who's, the chairwoman of Time's up the co founder of its legal defence fond was. The big movement was founded in the aftermath of me to scandals designed to stand up against sexual harassment. it turns up. Kaplan was one of several figures who are the attorney general's report found was involved in efforts to discredit one, of course, most victims and, of course, he resigned yesterday and that's just kind of a baby no like as they put it yesterday. It was we always kind of new its tougher for folks to go after people are on the same side. Politically, it's always tougher to go after four.
But was it really too much to ask that if you're going to found time's up and you're gonna be one of the face of the meat to movement, meant you wouldn't later on later sign on for an effort to discredit the accusers of a powerful politician accused of sexual harassment with that. setting the bar to high, was really too much others. Also, over these human rights campaign. The president alpha, so David who apparently also had a role in now retaliating against Cuomo's, accusers and apparently there's a great deal Essentially the ranks of the human rights camping. They want him to go there upset. I believe this is a violation of the values and principles of that organization and then come to the third thing. It's been fascinating came out in the last twenty four hours just combats morning. Rep, for we can read it to take his pockets, turns out the road and fairer, but you might wanna hear what ever happened that guy. You know that neither the act was caught on
deal of the original hardly wants to stop has a big story. The new Yorker Review Andrew Cuomo back in April, two thousand fourteen called out to make a phone call to Valerie Jarrett, who was a senior Breton adviser to President Obama, What, though, is reportedly ranting and raving about use attorney for southern destroy your preach? Ferrara Cuomo had announced that he was shudderingly. Morland commission repeated, convened to root out corruption. Your tax and because, in the aftermath of decision Marora had said, issued letters and striking commissioners preserve the documents and he had his best use from his office interview. Your witnesses that apparently this latter Cuomo furiously calls up is this guy's out of control he's your guy. Now the valley, Jarrett can say this sounds like an effort to get the White House to intervene and investigation of Interpol them and she go the culture, the conversational. Unless the few minutes she gonna cut it off, and she goes to the White House Councils office
Saying hey. This just happened is a sound like a potential ethical breach crimes. You saw the go ahead of the council, opposite? Yes, yes, it definitely does. We should go to the Department of Justice, they gonna departments, justice laid aloud A bit of justice informs prepare era, and then nothing else happened so out of a job Ah, the New York article by Pharaoh also lays out the basically Cuomo interfered with the Morland best Morland Commission's investigation into corruption. Missing comments like he did not want investigation into his own dark money contributions. People said they did not speak. up until now, because global were members of his inner circle had threatened their careers and needs, the team successfully retaliate against others quote. I saw them destroy people Harry said, and I really did fear that could be may end quote now. I've left wondering if enter Papa was a Republican called up the presidential advisor
instead, I want you to get this. U S attorney off my, but with the Department of Justice, just ain't. There is still no criminal, global, restructure structure of justice. Among friends would scenario everybody's done it a little bit here. Look under former has gotten a pass on all kinds of bad behaviour because he said a crap and eventually crossed the red line by large. If you're a Democrat, you get caught an enormous amount of slack by other dammit, That's no matter what they have said in the past about how sexual harassed is wrong and corruption is wrong and integrity and justice is run by blah blah blah it pretty appalling. It lives down to every serve at its worst suspicions about you leave powerful Democrats treat each other and everybody involved should be Dolly red face, but probably driven from us I also misguided, wandered out of a. U s. Getting getting
democrats of any other stories, but under Quabo that they want to share that guy. We owe seven years ago gasping berries embodies. Maybe that was relevant. I didn't think it was a time. Yes, as an J Pod wrote a great call levels near past, weakest, ago. Just on how comas superpowers fear, no one loved them started, uniquely talented charismatic political, the former he was just. business and have the power to make people afraid and they all were afraid and now. That that cloud of fear is lifting and sees me, he had found for Cuomo. If I understand the process correctly, you get impeached by the house, you are suspended it as govern so then then you're in a trial in the Senate Worth and affect the vote will be whether to reinstate Cuomo as governor and that dynamic just make makes it
the lesson? We don't want to remove them better affirmative act to bring it back and you seem to be the politics unless something right the changes, the politics of that and I really tougher Amsterdam think. I know what we talked about this a week ago, but everything that generous outlined and end nothing other elements. story than of trick on out in the intervening weak, make me a lot less helpful is not the right one, but I dont think that things are looking very good for palm. Obviously, don't want him to stick around so not hopeful that stick it out, but I was thinking based on what we had thus far that he had a decent, shouted just again kind of grinning. His Ethan muscling, threatened coming out the other side still ass governor, even if he declined to run again, were lost a subsequent raised, especially because we too We knew so much of what was being report right. These stories had already come out and get a lot of it was confirmed in there were all these gory
and ghastly details that are in our new. I suppose, but it's not like, we thought he was this. Kind of wonderful saying to US human, ago. Everybody knew that he had done Thirdly, a lot of very bad things, many women and yet I said now knocking resigns are, I may be more comfortable and everybody moved on whence it seemed to me that he might be able to do so to do the same thing again and slunk away, maybe not we especially popular but but remain in the governorship, and I don't really think. becoming less and less tenable as time goes on, especially because, as you say, people are not afraid of him and I think a big part of that is progressive in New York. Never liked him and if it wasn't a personal thing, although you're gonna sound like it's very popular personally either, but in terms of his policies, people would be just as happy and probably even happier. Democrats in New York see someone moral limp Robin him come in and he's plenty liberal, but for the state I think they were
be happy to see him go their not he's gonna be replaced by a Republican, as I think his days increasingly looking numbered Charlie, I actually feel responded the you heard, but if it can, if you'd elaborate office that this decision, a thing, a dimension that the head of time's up, a firmly working with Cuomo tried you get him through a grotesque sexual harassment. Scandal butts akin to the furious treating from move on during the champ impeachment about how important it was to hold President's to account eventually, all organizations and MRS Scheele on the right. As well, more often to generic partisan shop, and I think that's Thirdly, what we have seen with the agency and with time's up the
Crash is the more and organization becomes woven into the fabric of one or other side become so great that they start making exceptions, they don't tend to sit back and let the chips, for where they might. There are some notable and admirable exceptions. This, for example, fire which works on individual rights in education is nonpartisan. Beckett fund is just. fairy s in defending the rights of Muslim, say. Yes, it is evangelical Christians, but Ass, a rule one of the costs I have a hyper partisan polarized moment has spin institutions that are
ostensibly set up to agitate on behalf of a given right, bore brute but end up getting pulled, entered the mire. The grotesque part of this, of course, is that what Cuomo has done here really is the textbook case, but the sort of people behind time's up have pointed to right from the beginning, in that it's not just Leir it. It's the product of, perhaps the ultimate power dynamic it struck the obvious care is: wound Italian, american from a prominent family using fair to rule
divide in the Tri state area. But it's it's true. I mean in a sense. Cuomo is the poster boy for what time's up and similar groups were talking about, that you have an imbalance, not just a sex imbalance, but power imbalance and that that leads to ye isn't years news of bad behaviour that can never be rest because everyone involved is too invested in it to step outside and the fact that time. Up itself has been corrupted up. Power impact is just extreme ordinarily depressing,
sir. I I think, given what we ve read, there is enough evidence comes from either to process squashed. You see a pattern that will ultimately be up to the state as the chair, but it would send a terrible, terrible message if the legislature were to let him off here cuz. What they would essentially be saying is either we dont care when its outside, which is the easy way of looking at him all we too are tied up in this web, and this is never ever in just a result, says an ex question to you. Andrew Cuomo will resign and the Siamese, creating pitcher feel free to decide. For many, my subjects, the parts.
In a coma resign before his impeached in the house, after he's impeached and the house or never. I dont think he'll resign. I think that you will wait for the process and envy impeached most likely, and I have to leave office after that it. So you you think you'll be impeaching removed thanks, I'm here to get it we'll be before, but I mean like immediately before, like an hour before the scheduled to have the final vote. I think people look for ways to arm twist to intimidate to wine to barter, you know beg his way out of it up until the very last minute when its clear there's no chance of it than he would resign and think by avoiding the vote he's one something in his mind, Chica
I don't think he's going to resign. I'm in twenty five minutes ago, his attorney at a press conference said that the report contains errors, that there were repeated motivation to lie that were ignored. That's present, one side that the investigators just Jerry and executioner, I do think that he will be impeached, not least because this is not going to end up with a republican or a conservative in charge of New York. It's going to end up with somebody who is more palatable to where the Democratic Party is in the state of New York and possibly eventually with Governor Latisha James. So this is a tough one. I think I'm with Jim Garrulity. I think he'll resign before, assuming that the vote
house is baked the conviction in the Senate is pretty much baked in that instance, avoiding the ignominy of being. What will be the second, I think, the second governor and his through the state to ever be impeached. I think that would help pushing up the door suddenly go with Jim before and we have as yet. We have to never right, never Charlie. As an answer, although I must say I am actually broadly convinced by the case, you just made rich so I'll, stick with my never just for dramatic effect, but you'll be persuaded me.
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didn't happen simultaneously. What you golf cart, breakdown that had been a total Florida melt down for you, absolutely then, what I would have done and I believe that the move. So I've been thinking about. One of my a the length of baseball games the Yankees two days ago and sat nay. I have my black out ended around at the time the trade, the mine they ve been. playing better and more watchful team, but there the matters to nothing, mares got six sets game Yankees got six heads they were. They walked LA strike out, but this game a to nothing game to nothing, lasted two hours and forty eight minutes and a mirror scored in there Barton saddened by the eight I forget and have taken- maybe one fewer walk and that any or maybe one one fewer head or maybe both to US purity I'm getting on base for the members not to sporting, so they could apply
It as Euro zero, nine in game that took say two hours and forty four Men had first. I think it's just totally insane and something something must be done with that Jim Garrulity time. The plan ass riders. Next, what's your pic going to go with one of our, my distinguished colleagues on this path: gas, Irish, it's not you! It is in fact Charlie for his corner posts President's cannot engage in official acts of disobedience. Sometimes people in this world just say something that really stupid in use one with, nor, if its amended so stupid. Sometimes it's such a blow all that it might suck in intellect from people who encounter that are really needs to be whacked rounding up in Europe, and there are few people on this earth better equipped for that and Charlie cook ripping into the nations. You like, MR for arguing that press Britain Biden when he enacted the moratorium on evictions
really was just a matter of hours, civil disobedience on the part of the present trolley points out that no that's not how this works. Joe Biden took an oath and right in the rope it said, preserve, protect and defend. The constitution Therefore, we cannot civil disobedience decided not to do something in violation of the constitution, or else he's violet his open, but mostly with the aid of your violate your oath. He should be removed from office. Could Jarley give it up, then, once you back, I pick is dated her son, his peace on the homepage. Today about how the Republicans total founded on infrastructure. I guess a critical mass of republican sport on infrastructure and Mcconnell should the line as much as possible on reconciliation as a result and try to save face after the really embarrassing show in the Senate, from Republicans luck with your back my ip at my peace. My pick is a peace by
damn maclaughlan the radical ruling and run the centres on cruise ship vaccine passports and I'm picking up not because I it necessarily agree with them, but because this rule I was handed down on Sunday, and this is a fifty. Hundred webmaster class in analyzing it. I think Sometimes you have to sit back and appreciate things that other people can do that you cannot And every single line of this seems to have prompted in dance mine, the relevant Supreme Court litigation and all of the Controversies at stake in that the Euro read this thing and you realize down just those the law. He has an extraordinary grasp of american constitution. not in almost every area, in almost every way, at almost every point in american history.
this is its almost sharing off to be honest with you, but it some it's a remarkable little had explication of what he can So I also go damagon take here and it is, about this episode. If you're on he probably came across it, were a car Rockies game, Guy was there with his family, wanted the Rockies Mass got and real based boxes, but they dont have mascots, but one of the current rocket most gets Cameron. The muscat. Its name is dinner. and he is screaming dinner dinner. And each plazas habit of little unusually, but it is fuzzy and MIKE, and there is a afghan written guide, the plate, and everyone assume that you saying the inward Colorado. he's put out a statement. I think the head of the players Union put out a stir
Then there was a twelve hour panic. Whatever it was over how this floor, possibly in Contemporary America, could be shouted out so flagrantly added at a big league game. And then I believe, as a local report are tracked down, did, did a little research. analyze. The video where the guy shouting wasn't looking at home plate use. Looking over where the mask was interviewed, the guy's sure enough. He was young for the mass but anyway, Dan, just as written, I don't have any words. It is, but the single best analysis you were going to read of this incident and a corner post call the Colorado, Rockies, Dinger, Fair and the racism deficit. I love phrase racism, deficit, and the point is that these, called anti racist are so desperate, traces, erases society that they don't have any Mohammed of racism to deal with to make their case. So they need more of it and that's why, at manufactured incidents such
this so far, right rich, quick question is what would happen if the Yankees they went out and they contrived to Moscow and it was a clock and every time the game was running a bit long for your taste. The clock just ran onto the failing and appointed at itself. I'll, take anything this take anything they may game shorter. You even that, but but also just for a good, speedy, special pitched cock this game at what they saw have gone on this, but the anywhere they merit escort ethic. Just there's one guy. They called up the Baroness use rookie and had been league like two weeks. He stepped out like one towards the dugout like every single pitch, and it just you multiply that by matters you haven't again and is just another only other things of the mound visits in the teaching changes. Other site with fewer those and then the time allotted for The ads and between the end is anyway, so that
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