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tighter more than a narrative, driven presentation, in my view, but the great advantage he has is that the facts and the video are on. Written houses, side and prosecution, tried to argue that Rittenhouse provoked everything. He pointed a gun which, I guess is in his gun, which is in dispute. There's this big argument over this blown up, a photo, and that Rittenhouse should of run faster, kept going instead of turning around him, hunting Rosenbaum, who nearly caught up to him, which apparently acquainted prosecution, is written houses, fault and then great here, Confronted him because they thought he was an act of shooter and the the guy who's arm. Rittenhouse newish shot off gross Kurtz. That his name was was on the verge of retreating.
That was really no big deal that he was pointing this this glock at Rittenhouse, and he wasn't pointing the blacker and house until his arm was already disabled. Sir, long story short, the house forfeited any right to self defence by provoking this whole thing by bringing a guide to the scene and I'd availing himself of all the opportunity had to retreat or, as the other prosecutor said, upon, rebuttal of advanced causing arguments, war fighting bomb with his fist. What do you make of it? Long time? Readers abashed review will notice that I don't really cover or write about big trials for Much as I am not a lawyer, I do not lay one on tv I generally leave it to the Anti Mccarthy's the world, people who really know their way around a jury box, former prosecutors, people who have been in a lot of these trials and things like that
and I think the lesson we have these big trials say probably does my sophomore. Your college near somewhere. Those are the only some trial did nineteen eighty four, almost the entire news world stocks as everything focused on Oj Simpson and the double murder trial there. The lesson I think I took from Oj Simpsons trial was that's what you at home are seeing in when a trial is televise. We have one of these big high profile trials of the century. The legal arguments that makes sense to- and that the arguments that seem really compelling to you may or may not be all that compelling to the people. The jury box. Juries are weird juries. Do not necessarily there are seeing everything on paper. They should have a better sense of what's going on, but there are no guarantees they go into that the deliberate and you never know how it's gonna check out. So I think that's no Ferguson trials, George Zimmermann
things like that, I think the other thing we have witnessed, though, with it seems like an increasing acceleration year by year, are the political and kind of cultural war factors leading into the enforcement of the law, and that this has become a very racially charged case, and it is a case in which you see prosecutors going after someone, my in, I suspect, pursuing charges against a suspect that are probably more than they would otherwise. That was a obscure case because they feel enormous pressure to nail somebody to the wall and to make sure they got them on the most severe charge. They could plausibly charge, not a lesser charge and having plea down or something
which is what happens in the vast majority of criminal trials. The folks I follow you are following this trial much more closely make it sound like the written house trials with a disaster for the prosecution. The one part that I think has jumped out the most to me and then I feel like reflects the prosecutors taking their the cooking spaghetti approach to legal arguments. You just strode up against the wall you see. What's tax was the moment when the prosecutor picked up the rifle. Now it was not loaded. He assured I wrote it was not loaded, although I dont know, if certainly demonstrated checked for everyone to say how glad he put his trigger the finger, but his finger. The trigger and swung
in point around the room- and I suspect this is actually a attempting to generate an emotional response in the jury to make the jury feel frightened to make them feel what the people must have felt like when they are staring down the barrel of a gun or by the way, is one of the things that cattle Rittenhouse was doing on that violent night. Looked to the extent I've been for following this about everything, it sounds like highly written who's got a good girl who is not without flaws. Who was not someone who is? I naturally want to see celebrated. It appears he acted legally in self defence in a dangerous situation. Probably gonna outrage of a lot of people who got really wedded to this. This simple, political narrative. Of crazy angry young white males, gun toting me
yeah, spurred on by Trump racist bottled up, and that's that that's the heart of the problem is when you know complicated ugly. You know situations get turned into these simplistic, narratives and people also seem to believe that if they do have a jury doesn't come back with the answer. They lie there entitled to smash things and very often see if they get a flat screen. Tv but that's always already answered to some sort of you now terrible social crisis is to break into a store and steal something. So then I think he was right, then ran houses, and here I think mistaken people turn to try to make mounted hero, but he was a person in real circumstances and one of the worst aspects of our ass life last two or three years is like everyone wants to reduce both in the symbols, so you know actually house didn't shoot and people of color, but still hidden. Made into this this supposed White National,
because he was on the wrong side of the riots in the protest, use, use against the disorder and was was there to protect property, so he must be banned so that their theirs is Tennyson. Therefore, to reduce everything, about him it into this symbol, so he can actually can't sincerely the upset about this traumatic of so his breaking down stand was fake or there white tears had somehow should count since when did have have racism and There's an unwillingness to take this guy. it has a seventeen year old who, who might have good intentions but had poor judgment and to decide on the basis of the facts and the law where there is actually guilty of. These serious crimes he's being accused of rather his guilt is, is taken as a premise, the starting point of the conference
I think we ve been witnessing this in a lot of contacts. I mean think back to what the horrible a situation that Brad Cavanaugh I was subjected to during his conference. Hearings and how you know his name was dragged through the mud based on stories that couldn't be corroborated and how several people left prominent people, Democrats, commentators, one democratic, senator and thinking of who said I was asked. What do you think that patients are true. Do we know that their true? Do we have enough evidence and responded while just take a look at some of the positions that here, in its rulings. Right as if the fact that he is a concern, however, an original s charge? Somehow is that now we're supposed to think he is guilty of sexual assault or we should actually Niven care, whether is guilty of it was almost assume that he did it forget about the truth about finding out what happened, because he too has politics that we, like and went when everybody last week was not everybody,
but everyone on the left was making fun of Kyle Rittenhouse for crying. It reminded me of when they made fun of bread, Cavanaugh for crying and defensive himself and getting angry and worked up cheering up in defence of his good and you just know that if these people confirmed the political preferences of the left, we'd be hearing about how strong men cry and real men show motion right and conservative just don't understand this because their emotionless sociopaths that's what we would be hearing about and because the the politics first, we have people lying mocking him. We have president. I'm calling him a white supremacist, even though all the people that you shop or white there's no evidence whatsoever that he's a NEO Nazi, a white supremacist had any re space. Motorways we're being anywhere that night or doing anything that he did when it No one cares about long, fewer and fewer people care about. What's true finding out what actually happened,
injustice according to it, they care about their political ends and saying and doing what they have to do in any given circumstance to get that such earlier today. I think that you heard yesterday change Mine you base it taken on this case, and it's just look well made. Free. Previous answer, let me know what what my thoughts were. So it seems to me when, after he shot Rosenbaum and he's he's walking down the street with them. Brown the prosecution has in every instance, he's running away right, he's, trying to run away, and after each Rosemont used is walking away as the defence point. Is not shooting anyone randomly on the streets is war in towards the police now that the prosecution said Some these people knew this. One guy knew that he shot Rosenbaum, so he's getting followed for that but if they just let him go nothing bad, it's gonna happen. He's gonna go
and surrender to the police then hit Europe Guy throes of noxious his hat off with a rock falls to the ground. Guy hit somewhat this skateboard, and then you have the confrontation with the guy with the lock. It seems to me all that's really easy to defend, seems clear self defence to me, because he was an in real jeopardy. severe bodily harm and perhaps being killed in that instance the one I think, if the jury, he gets a money. Maybe it's it's the Rosenbaum because he could have kept on running but but Yes, you know he did slowdown when he was going on between the cars and prosecutions. I kits has thought these slow down. Ass arose among that clause, but then arose. Mom was really close and the prosecution makes a big deal. How try to bigger. How far away Rosenbaum was when he was. You know two three four feet and closing, and in fact you know they're there
sat on rose bombs, hand because he was lurching towards the gone? So even that to me seems self defence, but that's the one kind of wonder what the jury will think that worry on this. I think the prosecution has two big problems. The first is the both lawyers for the prostitution are incompetent, unlike a ball lacking in fluency poor. Judging turn mediocre at best. The second is that the charges have been brought. Simply don't
now, with the evidence and tell the prosecution convinced the judge to allow the inclusion of some less a charge is in the last few days, which I should say is a tactic I loathe is illiberal. It is a strategy of throwing charges at the wall and the hopes of the mistake in the hope that area will back into a lesser charge that was not presented at first, but until that moment, all of the charges, with the exception of the weapons charge, which was subsequently dispersed.
We first degree charges a first degree charges at the most serious charges that you can bring because they imply intent had their prosecution from the beginning brought. I dont have the habits in Wisconsin. They do in some states. A third degree charge said depraved heart. They might have had a better time of it if they had said in essence, he shouldn't have been there. This law will back this up. Shouldn't have brought a gun there, but they didn't. They brought first degree Chagas fasted, Rihanna, side, first degree intent to kill,
And the equivalent of deprived heart charges in the first degree and in order to support those charge, is you have to convince said Jerry that written house went there with the intent to start shooting people, which is a fair? That really is only supportable if you haven't followed the case. This is the theory that the loudest voice is on Twitter are still clinging to inexplicably after days and days and days of a trial in which it has been unsubstantiated. Sir I still don't care whether call Rittenhouse he's a good person, or about this. I don't care what he was judicious are introduced Going I dont care with a cross state lines or not. I care about the charges,
and until the last few days, when the prosecution in essence admitted that it has failed to make its case law that it is worried that it has failed to make its case and so brought in lesser charges as a back up the charges that Wisconsin brought against the guy simply don't Talley with what we now happened? Certainly not beyond reasonable doubt. So where are my on this? I think that the state made a mistake. I think that it was motivated politically to charge Rittenhouse as flamboyant Lee S occurred, and I spect, because we never know that the Jerry is going to confirm its mistake by
urging him, especially now that the only charge I could have seen being upheld. The the weapons charge has been dismissed that weapons charge really should have been dismissed if the prosecutions theory of it were correct. The prosecutions reading of the law were correct, Rittenhouse would have been guilty about. The law is so vague and contradictory. that I think the judge made the right call and throwing it out so Jim Gary Ex questions yearly asses last week, but haven't had you. I heard you an honour will Rittenhouse be found innocent. all charges or found guilty of something I wanna get Innocent of all charges. But, as I said at the beginning of this conversation, juries are weird and unpredictable and always get off. They they can all they always cut backs up. They always have the possibility of coming back to present them
think most likely will be found innocent and everything it try one about as well as it could have for him, but yeah. The gems caveats definite you Charlie you still here are, I think, sir, and I also think that if he is convicted or anything he would be like, prevail on appeal. Yes, I'm still innocent of everything is, if you found guilty of Calais because of some the chaff thrown up by the prosecution, you shouldn't have been there. He was looking for trouble. He lied about new. No, is me Uncle training and what had happened. Is there on the ground? He didn't render aid to any these people in seem concerned about them, and I think they land some blows who without staff, but it's just. Really relevant to the underlying charges. This was clearly self defence
He was not the aggressor in any of these instances. He was retreating, use, running away he'd. He did not fire on anyone who was retreating or what was not. Obviously, a threat of some sort. Or other, so I'm still where I was last week. This will be a shocking miscarriage of justice if he is found guilty on on any of these charges. With that, let's hear from our first sponsor this Absurd ball and branch sheets and we're going to our great champion a bone branch sheets Charlie Cook. Spend one third of our lives in bed. Stir Pierre organic cotton sheets and bone branch make a truly special gift. They make the highest quality sheets over at ball and branch by doing things, the right way, not the easy
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great historic figure, calmly, harassed and all she needs to do too to make history every single day is to be deployed in the proper manner, and you ve been orally. Down by the White House there that, instead of the point or distort matters is giving me giving her the difficult jobs with with very little upside meanwhile the White House. You can just be only I rolling in and all the anonymous statements in and this piece. Obviously, this cancer, a bother, maladroit and important respects- are set up the moment and this peace, where he had calmly allies complaining that the White House went off out defending PETE Buddha judges a paternal to to month paternal leave. Where they have defended Combo Harrison. That way- and this must be because peep Buddha Judge is aware- Man and Comma Harris isn't: what do you make of it? Made
there's not a single word in the peace that I find remotely surprising. I remember I guess what was it two years now or a year back. My time really feels, like that's fine a strange way these days about a year ago, a little more than a year ago, and they picked her eyes, the vices and I remember not being surprised at all, because Biden promised who's going to pick a black ass, his running late and the most obvious, most well known, selection, highest name. Recognition had run for president herself, who felt that I they slot. But I also remember thinking: could he possibly have anything worse for himself, because ok, great, she felt I dont be slot? He promised to fill up but she's a table, politician right, she dropped out of the democratic primary and at the time, was pulling. Three percent she as a politician, what she did in the present your primary, what she's done, as vice president, what you did undertake it before becoming vice president, what you do as a senator for that matter, is just evidence that this
identity? Politics more can actually are this dream politics model can be damaging to people who embrace it, because you really aren't doing yourself any favours as a political party arise and movement. If you advance people based the color of their skin, who would have thought if you put someone in a prominent role because of her gender or her skin color and she's, actually not popular she's odd and of strange as a politician right, she doesn't really ever say anything that sounds natural. She comes across as angry and context when she shouldn't heard debate with MIKE pants was, I think, condescending, unpleasant, not fund and I'm not saying that guy she's a woman right if a man had done what I would have thought, the same thing it, and none of that was rescued by the fact that she had we call right skin color, and I think your singing in places like this, she thinks he is entitled to a particular role on a particular type of treatment. because she sells this identity slot for the administration or for the party, but the party
doesn't want her out in front because she's unpopular choose bad at what she does and they wisely are trying to it. I guess Phil at any side have people talk for them, while keeping her under wraps yet Jim. That used to the classic insist that this is was a promise that bind needed needed to make to pick a woman and pickle women of color, because that than his options, were fairly limited and calmly Harrison seemed the most prominent prominent promising in that bucket, but she just by the heavy relationship with her she's, not any good, amuses obvious. Any political observer can just washer for fifteen its realises is not a natural at all. there. There now reaping the whirlwind. I think a? U S dated April as a cataract, twenty eight percent approval- I mean: how do you get a twenty? How do you get to twenty eight percent, as a vice premier, address Sheikh. There lie
unless you're Spiro Agnew sums that should actually you know, she's not out there every day in the broader people's minds, they're. Just in an inherent. I just liked A very is not because she is a woman is not because she's a minorities because she's Kamel Harris so What we see with this peace by CNN, which is part of it, continuing series politicos written a bunch of these kind of stories. Axioms has written these kinds of stories. We gotta go all the way back to two thousand. Eight Barack Obama selects Joe Biden to be his running late, but when these things get worked out, lot of details that meeting I earned out by the Chiefs of Staff and by the two parties of the two peoples almost got almost like a wedding, because they're gonna be together Farina, ideally eight years and the deal that Burma put on the table for Joe Biden was, you can bring over a handful of your lunch,
I'm staffers but the rest of your staff, as vice president. I want you to pick my people now I'll, give you a choice. You can hire amongst to give you a menu of all the people that I have. My people come first and they are the people who will pay up your staff- and some of this is to make sure that you know all the friends of Bravo Bomber end up with good jobs, the White House in the executive branch. But it's also to make sure I dont want you, create a girl, little separate power base within my administration, with your own goals, as opposed to my wealth, Joe Biden, salon calmly. Her said, there's a very similar set up and they went through a yes this morning. So if you look at the people around Cobbler Harris, they are not long time Cobbler Harris staff. You were with her in the Senate with her in other key, the presidential campaign,
her days is California attorney, general or or district attorney. There are handfuls Rossini Cosu, loser domestic policy adviser, but everybody else, chief of staff, deputy chief of staff, spokesperson, communications, director, national security adviser they're. All people who joined calmly Harris in December, twenty nineteen, January twenty point. She is not surrounded by her long timescales. So the first thing is a comma Harris might not feel like she surrounded by people who are the best or that she would have chosen, or that are you know crucially, have her interests best interests at heart. That means all the people who were with calmly Harris and extend it offers all the people who were with common Harrison a presidential campaign. Didn't get hired for those jobs and those people are all still floating around Washington So when CNN calls up and say hey what do you think of the team around common Harris? It's very easy to imagine. People say up those idiots that an author doing they don't
How to use common here is the right way there not serving are correctly she's being very poorly served by the people around her, and some of that might Virginia assessment of that make us our rights, then the Jim, Jim Missus Bennet storyline forever with its origin, being preserved by her staff that doesn't get along with has huge turnover. With I mean that this was happening before she was in the divers each other. It own point five and my father observations. Just as I think, deep down come on, earth does actually know what you want because, if you think about it- and I wish you all throughout her presidential Campaign- Kepler flopping Medicare for all. She'll after issue it out sanctuary cities, all kinds of law enforcement and criminal justice reform skip. You found herself on both sides. Both issues at the heart- you know what Harris wants to be popular, but she also wants to please progressive base at she kept taking his positions over could get rid of private health insurance
and that there be a backlash and you they all I'd, really knew that way. Do you know what I mean those ships in the end, if you're principle, we are politicians, you're willing to withstand some unpopularity, you're willing to say this is the right thing to do, and I don't care if all members say care certain people, don't like me in deep down, there's like something very insecure about commerce these, where that nervous, laughed comes from its where that that you know just eagerness to please and that kind of veto, foe folk Siena's comes through in all four appearances stuff. So are you the verb again? This was a. This was not a magistrate inhabit. This is actually a very awkward match between the two. There are still by
people who don't trust her and don't work, haven't forgotten that debate shot calling Joe Biden racist risks, the opposition on bussing way back in the seventies that there is still a lot of let Abed led between these two teams, so I dont think you know the Harris team can count on a lot of sympathy or, for the rest, the bite in the stranger than rushing to her aid and in common with the other points of interest, is Joe. This kind of the variation of the troika question but Joe Biden. What is commonly Harris good at start, foreign policy should have real experience there. She doesn't have relationships on the hill, maybe its law enforcement, criminal justice and prosecutors. Stop and maybe the judicial system. But here we have a joint attorney general. So what's what's left for common areas to do if they think she's been poorly use, I really love to know for common Harris herself. How does she think you should be used, because I not sure that would actually be all different from what were signal Anna then are also there. Just. Issued at the White House has other things to worry about. Besides propping up its advice, probability, Prob
the president. Exactly less. That should be the highest priority. Speaking that Charlie Byron York had again good piece Therefore, under the russian examiner that here the back round to this and another commerce, peace was implicit go and that peace, the frame of that was theirs, is competition between Kamel Harrison, P Buddha judge to be by successor be doesn't run in twenty twenty four in a mindset either runnin twenty twenty four, but even allow Democrats doubt that. But the background here is the weakness of fine. You know up politically, obviously, but then also just in terms of his standing. You know he sees the Sunday years old. I lost the step and probably has some some more last steps, So you have this disperse early jockeying, whose he's. Gonna were stepping stone to his cheers, he's not running twenty twenty four.
The commander hers is ass. She was before she was vice president, the answer to a question. Nobody asked she's, not slight, because she's, a non white woman she's vice president, because she's, a nun, white woman, an amazingly enough. It's not actually enough to be a non white woman. There is nothing to reckon There has never been anything to recommend her she's, a talent, less authoritarian with a ten year, an cackle the mix, Hillary Clinton, like Mr Rogers
She has never said in her entire life, a single thing that is interesting or informative or substantive or aids. The debate- and that is a separate question from whether I agree with her Jim said what she did at what does she ever said? One thing that she's ever said there was interesting or useful. I cannot tell you how much hope it gives me for the future that voters hate Kemal Harris's buttresses Today I wrote a peace and good riddance took him all Harris when she dropped out with three percent support early on in the primary and twenty nineteen and somehow she got back in. She was elevated installed, but despite european job, no, despite getting three percent, the primary
and now she's twisting in the wind and its glorious. But, as you point out rich, it's not just harvests twisting and win. This would be a different story if Joe Biden were really popular become all hearts were not. If Joe Biden, we're doing well become all errors, but not if Joe Biden subject to his health and willingness to run were keen prospect for twenty twenty four and commander harassment. At that point, you say: ok, Joe Biden did what he thought he had to do. He's not threatened by his vice president, looks like a good move.
It doesn't look like a good move now. Does it, in fact it looks like a generational disaster for the Democrats. They ve got a very unpopular weak. Seventy eight nine year old man as president, the presumptive replacement as a twenty eight percent approval rating, the fight. If the party were to get rid of them, both would be a bloodbath. You think you ve seen: identity politics nastiness! You wait until the Democratic Party out of rational self interest tries to replace Commander Harris and especially tries to replace her with people. To judge
the White Man's white Man, what your mistake, what a mess they have made for themselves and they deserve every last answer that it turned out Joe Biden needed needed his own Joe by someone even older than him that that no one thought was actually get it. Gonna run had any chances of running for president after after He was done cells and act, a question to you. Le Harris we'll be the vice, be sorry credit president presidential nominee either in twenty twenty four were twenty twenty, eight, yes or no there's no way that's what happens now, job. What a surprise! I wouldn't say! Yes, we do here
I must say, twenty forty four on the state of health issues will catch up to Joe Biden over suspicions that there's something wrong with them will be confirmed some time between now and then and they'll. Say. Oh, his health is declining or something like that, and I think that
as Joe Biden, was the easiest, the consensus choice after a surprisingly heated, twenty twenty democratic primary, I think Democrats will fear the consequences of denying the first african american woman vice president, the nomination more than they will fear defeat. Twenty twenty four Jai Cook. If Joe Biden does not running twenty twenty four, it's going to be difficult for the Democrats to extricate themselves from the Commodity Harris disaster. When was the last time that happened, the vice president is always the presumptive nominee. I think the last time the vice president was not chosen is the Romany was was the fifties, and if there is an end to these same five, it will destroy the Democrats ticket you. You cannot survive
a rough primary when you're the party in power, if its twenty twenty eight no way absolutely non, nobody will matter by then if Joe Biden has been president for two terms, the Republicans defining the house, but I think Commander Harris is oddly enough in a strong position to be candidate and an extremely weak position to become president cell she's not already present, there's no way as she's a nominee in twenty twenty. I totally agree that no way said twenty twenty four hours is that the real option, and if something got four dead, you're not wishing them but some there's some health crisis were Kamel Harris becomes president before twenty twenty four. She will be the presidential mommy and twenty twenty four is. However, just Biden has just gonna not not up, for
another another wrong and it is says, he's not running their there'll, be challengers. I mean just she's so weak. there is no way that people are gonna run against her. I don't care about the women and and raised. I know that will be a huge backdoor, but people in IRAN and I don't think she's evoke at her. I don't think she would. She would win a democratic nomination if you actually actually has to go out there and win votes so that lets pause in here from our second sponsor this episode. The thinking fellows podcast, reasonable and rational, come second to hard to come by the thinking. Felspar cast a part of fifteen seventeen dot org and the fifteen seventeen podcast network has been, listing reasonable, irrational conversations about the history and development of Christian thought for the last six here. They invite you to join for their scholars and engaging in form conversations that theology history an apologetic all from a classical christian perspective.
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This might have been a more plausible proposition if it weren't for the wreckage of his presidential campaign, which one was really embarrassing, but to lead him to adopt all sorts of positions that be really hard to explain to a Texas electorate, even one that electrical that's a little less read that it used to be, but care for all green new deal in taking people's air cheese is just not a winning platform. I was highly amused by a treat from Logan Dobson Heroic, look mark better what you want, but the fact is in Texas. You can't collect unemployment without proof that year actively looking for work, disguised becoming a perennial candidate is at risk of becoming Texas is Charlie, Crest except Charlie Chris. Actually, she won gubernatorial election at one point:
I don't know why it is so hard for left, leaning, analysts and voters to comprehend. The better is just not good then leave aside the likely make up of the Texas lectured I'm not as convinced this year is that its becoming less red, I think we're seeing something happened among hispanic voters, axis. I think we could see a more rather lectured and twenty twenty two than we did in twenty twenty or twenty a team, but this was a guy who couldn't unseat TED Crews, TED crews in a democratic way. Here now you might say the advantages for increases favour, yes, but what Things going to happen next year, it's going to be a smashing republican, wavy hair. I don't know how big the wave
there is a long way to go, but it is going to happen and if you look at the parts of the kind three that seem to be most up for ushering in a smashing report, Can we fear that counties in Texas in Florida. so you have a guy who's, not that talented who has, since he last ran, adopted a whole host of absurd positions that are almost perfectly calibrated to lose him Texas. How yes, we're going to take you off? theme running in a year. That will be the polar opposite of the last time, IRAN. Why? What is it that he has to offer that
makes him feel that he is necessary that he is in any way useful to his movement, the something missing and had clearly the something that needs public affirmation, but he's not gonna get it. He's going to lose once again. Maybe if he does, then we won't have to hear about him anymore. A man who has done nothing of consequence and his entire political career accept put his name on the ballot. So I have a confession to make China that answer sounded very compelling, but during that answer actually went answer the door accepted it. You gas delivery that had to sign for it and then came back in in time. Two hundred and twenty two gets finale of your answer so that that's that's what a talented podcast Tuscan do,
said so jam. It seems like better, really messed, MR chance near that peat got, which is a cabinet position you know you someone. Obviously it is not go out and do anything else he wants to be in politics and being transportation, secretary or HUD structure, whatever would have it the unnatural for him, but going back making. The second tries is not gonna end well on tax regimes. To take a moment and stew, and frustration that you gotta package delivered, and I haven't where everything is complaining about. This life is applied shackles, my fellow citizen boat off the coast of California right now, So I would quote our are podcast colleague, Charlie Cook, who observed the Joe Biden has said: better is gonna come with made a wash Jan and help us work out done by whatever some sort of you made some sort of comment that indicated that better work would be in the bad administration and doing something and uncontrolled gonna be as point man. That's
Thank you, John doesn't happen because invitation must have got lost in the mail interesting. Lack of a person who was in our view might have figured might have on the list at some point. Will the and customers? The former mayor of San Antonio and Secretary of Odd, who suggested that binding, having memory lapses in one of the debates- and I think that was the last anybody ever saw over the Castro lest I saw was inside of a doctor- he did not get it I joined the Biden Administration so better. It was getting the same treatment as the guy who cannot be no insulted by gone after and personally I wrote about this in the corner yesterday. This is good news for taxes, Governor Gregg Abbot. This is good news for Republicans in admiral, better work give a little bit of credit. He made the twenty eighteen Senate race against head crews competitive at apparently had some good down. Ticket effects protects us Democrats on this,
more than a lot of Texas Democrats have done since the days of an Richards back in the early to midnight, so took credit. Where that's do that that something he did win and he had, I believe, the totally eighty billion dollars more money than anybody ever raised for Senate race ever before as we wrote about many times at national, just about every major national publication, except national, repeat, went down and hung out with better of work and gush. but what a rock star he was in a sweat Peter Happy, just didn't right enough, but a sweat now coolly, wasn t we love what a burger it was like. The nerdy kids got a chance to hang out with the cool gets for once, and it was just an agreed. These twelve page profiles in Texas Monthly had wandered around four pages of ages, and you kept waiting for ok. What's he done, though, and the answer was: it was on the El Paso City Council than any hustled to beat a democratic incumbent
for a house seed avenues in the minority in the house for about two years. If you do that much- and there was just this unbelievable height to performance ratio, then erodes the president's and I'd. Be lots of listeners. Probably remember that we now vanity fair. However, with a smile and look out within all badly with the sleeves rolled up, then I made it to win at or some areas. I was born to do this not rush sense of what this is and I strongly suspected that better work has run for Senate ran for president and is now running for governor all an attempt to kick start his music or we are again, he really see like a guy would be happier onto were giving performance is to cut the two sold out arenas than to actually going in a governing work. I don't think he's going to do perfectly well, but what he may do is an echo of his twenty eighteen Senate bid that he may get national Democrat grass roots donors across the country donate maybe they're sick of him jump up on tables. Maybe the sick of the water burger, the rock star
stories and until it maybe there baby, they ve been saying, maybe he'll be a shadow of its former self kind of think. That's a good chance that still it's gotta be a ton of money going to erase that's something of a long, sharp and better work could be this cycles. Version of Jamie Harrison was rung against Lindsey. Grand back down is, after a liner, bad pulling told you Jimmy Harrison was in a real closer, they get, it would democratically ascended seats after light up and then Lizzie Grand one by ten percentage, for I was never that close. I don't read. States dies as I had some very quickly. The money is something of a drag for Democrats. I understand the argument that better could help down ticket that obviously meant
a great deal more in twenty eighteen than it is going to earn twenty twenty two. The money comes most of it. It seems from outside Texas, and some of it comes from people who live in competitive states. I was astonished back in twenty eighteen, the number of people I saw in the news on Twitter or met in real life who, while Florida, had given a gubernatorial Nice between Andrew Government run the Santa's and a Senate race between Rick Scott and Bell Nelson. What sending cash to Texas to support them Now those races in Florida were won by thirty thousand and ten thousand votes respectively. I'm not saying that's what Ed, but the last thing you want, if your party going into the mid terms with
headwinds is too many celebrity candidates who attract the attention of low information. Voters in other states and rob those states of support they need yeah so Zan eighteen you're, better, came within two points of TED crews, and there as a lot gems, actually write a ridiculous media poverty, that nobody did everything. No one on you know use years. Fresh use gay boarding use playing era guitar and his car waiting in the drive through of of what a burger, and I was one of those who tend to think no one really loses that mushroom for running for present. So go ahead that, maybe maybe it catches by maybe maybe something happens, and very very soon. After the bee, tabletop jumping happened. It is clear that now is this: is there
standing on counters. It had coffee shops and just not not tackle there. There was not enough. He was an assumption, enough figures it to make it happen, presidential politics, and then he is laid all the groundwork. That's gonna make it really. hard for him to return to Texas politics of this clearly case was where someone was hurt by running for President I really don't understand. I'm hard pressed her to comprehend the case for better running, for governor in Texas, if you're a Democrat who thinks that may be the date is shifting no closer to the middle wars. Winnable for Democrats at state level at wouldn't you want democratic running, who might be somewhere the middle or in a popular in the state and United who said he did come within two and a half points. I think three points of TED crews, but that's TED crews, rights or the idea that, he's: gonna do better against Gregg out, I'm not sure it's true.
sure that he has really anything on his site, but going to spend a lot of time talking about the way the state handled the horrible Crisis with the snow earlier this year about people probably know, maybe not totally forget it, but they private blame the state. went fully enough to swing an election to a democratic is buying to spend a lot of time talking about the heartbeat bill. But the point I've seen suggests that the hard Begone Texas is actually popular among a majority of texts and so spending more time. Talking about women's reproductive rights is probably not gonna, go very well for him and you just know that Gregg Habit and Republicans are going to have a whole tape acute up of everything. He said during the presidential primary raised that goes against. Even what Democrats of huge number of Democrats and
since that can so, if you actually do think this is one of offer Democrat. I can't imagine why you think he would be the one to trial ex requesting you, Charlie good. If you were forced, would you gonna be to choose among these figures which, in your view, best represents the future of a democratic party camel hair? He built a judge, Eric Adams for ever closer. I think Amy Clover trough, but I think that in certain districts and cities Eric atoms compared with just go with Eric items, if for no other reason than his story is being written, I think most of it
others of a good portion of their stories done them. I think it'll be people to judge actually their waste at the national level. I think that the democratic shifting in a direction where politicians like hammer the ones they think there must be, we're waiting around that's what they're going to do, you think is probably better judge its upper middle class technocratic, out of one party in large part not entirely with the welcome next, and so it is, you know his wealth and the identity, part so we'll just have some random politics, obviously camel hair assessment maybe somewhere in between good again and Harris, but the ethics. Republicans that scared prospect would be if its airy
Eric Atoms, somebody's genuinely tougher on crime, who has a certain common sense sensibility to him as an african American, a former cop, and if Democrats could find someone at that like that at the national level, I think they would be in a much better place than obviously, if there and say stuck with Cobbler Harris without really do put our applause Applause. Is the digital subscription service at NASH, review, dot com is your way to avoid the increasingly extensive than I mean extensive, were almost a lying everything now on national view dot com. which I now can block what you want to read, which is point other the payload, unfortunately very easy way to get around. It is just to give them and pony up for a first time, description to and our plan, we pay all goes away. Almost all the ads go away as well. If you sign up
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Well? I've heard a lot lot of life itself. Sound guy did you make when they re Little Police academy. I'll get to play the guy don't exist, this we pass, we can't we finally have a chance to show this off couple friend to build a pig in at various points that they got to see. The final products and to entertain and to use all of our nifty kitchen gadgets than showcase all were counter space and merciful, adjusted responsibly, because all the cabinets brown my wife and are still the point of pudding stuff like the spatulas, where we each one of us thinks it goes, which is not where the other one thinks ago, so wonder to still be working out some details of, whereas the spatula. It should go in that room. Not that drawer like that. But I want to touch that you think you're going to have any long term saying where the spatulas guy well, here's the thing because back right, but it back when I have so she's gonna, be this endless gave up. Where does the spatula trap?
was like where the world is coming Carmen Santiago, but so that's. It said I look for all the aggravation you'd, probably here in my voice month by month it is terrific Ganda who knows, but other video or something to showcase tool, So then you have started your sour dough starter. I have Well, it's been a long time coming any lesters out there have been getting into the sour dough baking trend. I guess I've been doing it for quite a while. I'm sure people started festering locked down last year. I never got around to act as it sounds way more complicated than it. Actually, as it turns out. I have to do is put some flour, and water in a jar, let it certain that kind of take some out, add more flower stirred around and keep going until it turns into actual soured started and you can make with it I'm on actually even into the first twenty four hours, so maybe it's harder than it seems, but thus far it's been fun and I can't wait to trafficking with it so
Once during the downs I made, french bread should turn out that that great wasn't sort is tight and their Crispin on the outsiders, as you and hope, but I just found it was just took too much Africa's all the rising in establishing the rice. More stop would arise again. I found a common line, but Charlie speaking of baking, things you were a judge and a cake making competition. Yes among everyone else at the fundraiser that I went to the that's, not pretend that I have any expertise in this area. I was astonished by the sheer talent of the people who had bake these kegs, which were not any delicious but were aesthetically marvelous
the best one. In my view, I think I'm living vicariously. My kids was the one that had a dragon wrapped around it all the way from the bottom to the top that term I like sand. Having begun any baking myself, I've just been watching other people back and then getting to sample. but they did, which was a matter of tremendous artistry. So Jim. She's going to John Undressing concert couple months ago. John was actually on and in our plus call last week, what a great guy, what are really thoughtful and talented musician. We had a great commerce Asian and we're lucky actually performed to songs, lie on this and our plus call one, as is his blood on my hands song, a prompted by the disaster?
go out and Afghanistan and the other was Superman one of his his greatest assets and ashes, doesn't love that song is just one of those songs and no matter how many times you ve heard it just kind of an emotional Paul, and it is moving and just this hearing him I'd, do it. Life for a small group of vessel was really the ordinary. So with that, let's go door. Editors, pigs, Jim Gary! What's your big goes, Charlie Cook, the title is no. We don't actually need to be more like Europe. I think I'm about what are really gonna, give credit trolley forested on any given day if you're reading sites beyond national review, you come across, something that strike He was really stupid and money, but trigger Charlie, as they had no over Bloomberg. Alison Schwaiger running with supply, chain crisis and says you now, Americans can't spend the way they are
to store shells are emptying and can take months to find a car refrigerator or sofa. If this continues, we may need to learn to do without, and horrors live more like the Europeans. That might actually not me bad thing chart really loves. The argument I put sheets saying we just feel about it that we move on and what a lot of things with Charlie Special, the one of them is that, instead of just throwing up his hands are or get out through
something at the screen or some other Charlie, has the patience and intellectual firepower. Disabled no yedo, you're you're completely wrong, and it would be bad. For Americans live more like Europeans at em. You know they didn't send your Europe's a bad place. Sir. You know the Europeans are free to leave the way they want to talk about the glories, the free market that we are not put here on earth to. Basically micro manage the choices of other people. You have the free market people by what they want to buy and if they want to buy stuff, do you think is wasteful? That's fine right! If you, if the idea is that this constant free exchange of ideas, this constant free exchange of goods and services allows good ideas to thrive, and when you have these much more limited systems like the haven't you,
you get your of these good ideas. It's a terrific peace and it's a great sense of I've, not just you know, raging or fuming about something but calmly and rationally lease on paper, maybe maybe Charlie, screaming the whole time. Writing the sultana laying out why the free market is good and why we should not be looking at these supply chain crisis as some a blessing in disguise or something like that and what's your big attack is from the latest issue of the National View magazine. It's our end row issue and my pick as a peace by Clark, foresight, called row and started to sizes he's just an expert on history of Rome on the weakest flaws and review aid, and, I think, has pieces, especially and given that back to the extent that conservatives are concerned about the upcoming ruling in Dobbs, some fear that that John Roberts, going to come up with some starry decisive reason to keep row and cases place, or at least parts of them. I think like does an excellent job.
of explaining why that argument does not work. Charley was your bed, I'm nervous is gonna, be the same as your pic as you mentioned this topic earlier the bottom line for that you're taking obedience, be some tears? I haven't backstop so go ahead. I'm taking him. Are you prepared with two enters Charlie? That's right, erase show me up. I sometimes have none I am picking envy days piece written ass, crying in the media reaction tat. Sometimes it's hard to convey how crazy the way the press and many in the press, awe and Michael managers Have they opening line is? Have you noticed that a lot of cycles have access to the media lately and he runs through the?
bizarre reaction to Rittenhouse crying understand which he points out could be quickly August by outcomes razor, but instead we need an elaborate fairy, for it has to be this. The tears to have a color as to be part of this. Other social foundation has to be an act of aggression, to say so. Much about America has to imply this, though, that about the trial it doesnt. I thought it was really ready. Well done it, really well done. Also well done, is peace by Arthur Herman Other Hudson Institute, sometimes contributor of ours and Lytton written of history books, and he takes on this really idiotic tweed by the call handed job where'd. She says one thing: we should be ashamed of as every drop the bomb on Japan at the end of world war. Two and she said you
and was which is willing to surrender without us dropping bombs. Everyone knew this drop him anyway and just Herman demolishes this argument, which, unsurprisingly, unsurprisingly traces back to our citizens of Regis, tendentious anti american history of the United States, still set for us even listening to enact new part Gaston Eurostat retransmission recount this game without express written permission. She magazine is strictly prohibited, his back ass produced by the incomparable Sarah It even makes a sound better than we deserve. Thank you, Charlie thanking them. Thank you, german. Thanks to bomb branch in the thinking fellows podcast, thanks, especially to argue for listening. Really editors we'll see you next,
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