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who obviously belonged behind bars twice got out. from jail based on really minimal, they all requirements, which is pointing the finger at this progressive prosecutor. Air whose, like many prosecutors round the country thanks bail, is a terrible thing and punishment for poverty. What do you make of it. yeah? Well, The initial moments after the attack was reported born, actually wondering about the? If there is a connection to the written house verdict, and none of that has been established, but what is very obvious is that in the hours after a coward and house shot three people in Canosa.

the media was in a full court press. Explaining exactly what they thought. The political motives were of car written house Who is to blame for inspiring and were provoking him or or for What laws were implicated in the crime, somehow And we're not getting any that with this, even though except on the right where, where people are pointing to the prosecutor green, we do have to look to the Soros funded prosecutors and bail reform movement. The bail funding movement- all of that is implicated in this- case. We may yet find out that

was a kind of incoherent political motive, we may find out that their drugs involved no drug addled mind may be involved all that should be at least open for discussion and probing and I hope we come to reckon with it. You know. There is kind of a sickness two and in the way that this this crime is presented over over the past few days as they like. You know the story that he was fleeing from. Perhaps Their crime scene was almost press. As if it was were exculpatory, rightly as if this is almost like a well. You see, you don't have nobody to worry. He wasn't thinking, the wrong thoughts. He doesn't implicate any of our political beliefs,

or any of our rhetoric because he was just escaping from another crimes. So you know no big deal This is just sort of what happens in a fly over country. There there's just this chaos that we allow now so yeah. I thought that was gross and end scary, but I think I hope that This is just to horrific and to undeniable an enormity for people to ignore it for long and into not ask the hard questions yet Zan Bell Reform, which is effectively bill abolition is is looking like one of the worst ideas over that of the last decade. It is had a huge role in the disorder in New York City filled the plaza gets allotted, blame.

sadly, but a lot of this emanated from Albany and that the bail reform dear Then you have instances like this, this guy, who they are The man of steel who was caught forty six times robbing various stores in New York City and got released every single time and the word is New York City and I think in September October, had them reported the most retail that's in any any time since records have been kept. I don't understand this mindset at all night. I don't understand how it amounts to anything other than saying. Basically, if a certain type of person is committing a crime, it more important to be fair to that person by it I mean you know, acknowledge and respect the fact that they dont have money? I suppose that it is to prevent them from continuing to commit crimes. I remember last summer,

Everyone in their mother on social media was fundraising for bail funds for people who were. in jail after rioting and looting all summer along here and there across the country and the response from the left was well. Let's find ways to get these people. out of jail, and I I just can't understand this mindset right leg. Is it really because they're doing things that you think are ok or perhaps Their reasons for being angry are ones you agree with, or perhaps you know, their circumstances are such that you think it's justified or, unfair, that there are in prison and can't get out while the people can whatever it might be. Therefore, we should just let these people out and nor or not even talk about what they're going to do next or what they did to get them in there. I I don't understand this mindset at all in at least two we're both things sometimes like what we saw in walk a shock, but it's also adjusted a strange worldview and I think it's once becoming more popular on the left. I dont think most people who want to defend the police or get rid of bail, but its prevalent enough in kind of that amount.

Prominent commentators, even among politicians, but I find it very concerning- and I don't I don't think they do- the job of explaining what exactly the alternatives are going to be and what the consequences would be if we followed through on this too Charlie Sleep there been accesses and prosecution of the war on drugs. Overtime Times magazine, her has been very consistent in saying that, but and allow these instances we're not dealing with nonviolent offenders, we're not dealing with drug offenders we're dealing with a thieves and and thugs who are just turn back on the streets to do predictable things we should separate out the various reform movements that Alexander mentioned There are some people who believe that the entire system, by which we import

People and remove them from society is corrupt and needs to be abolished. There is a telling into view this week really receded slave by dancing swan in which he said you want to release everyone. Revision the system is a disaster from the ground up and she said neither. Instead, we consider Bell who would have done that and she said well. However, that's the most extreme version of it. Then there are the people who side with people commit particular, Crimes that they don't believe should be crimes, in a sense, a cousin of Jerry Notification. That was what while a Harris did last year, the rises and now

there is the more specific problem, which is what we are talking about today of bail. now I understand intellectually the argument that critics of better lawmaking. They are in a sense channeling, that old line about the Ritz being equally and everyone is in favour of socialists. Yes, they say rats is equally open to everyone, but not everyone can go and yes, Bayliss. Equally available, To everyone, but not everyone can afford it. I understand that I understand the egalitarian mindset that leads people to find that to be a problem, but- I don't think there is an alternative. I've never heard an alternative.

the doesn't involve letting people were dangerous or who should be kept in custody, pending investigation on trial out and that's what we are seeing here. And I think this divides people philosophically Give you a more conservative, then you tend towards the idea that if there is no good alternative than we keep the system that we have even ever has rough edges or is in theoretical terms. intellectually problematic view, are less conservative. You believe that the systems place a there, either randomly all as the result of some sort of historical inequity, perhaps by design and what we are seeing at the moment is- the rise in certain areas of this country,

people who believe strongly in the latter and who are getting an object lesson in Rio, poverty. As a result we talked about, them a little bit last week in connection with shoplifting in San Francisco and this house a case I hope, is teaching. If not the prosecutors and ideologues himself, the public but this sort of naivety has profound physical consequences and that's what we saw in Wisconsin. So I'm the energy infrastructure. But what about the figure in New York August was the highest mountain. Recording the record here go back to ninety ninety five, but think like that to leave interview which Charlie mention the vote videos of these smash grab, robberies in the Bay area they their disaster

spread the democratic brand. It doesn't really matter what Joe Biden is saying: people She ain't this with the party and this is why they take away is, after Republicans, system has lost how states and twenty twenty was moderate sooner like in Virginia. It would never Sunday any this crazies duffer complaining, because all the crazy stop stop to them, and I think that dynamic still holds good, absolutely does still hold in. This was like the great you know this. The big lesson that was learned in the these ninety nineties by the Democrats right, is that in the late Sixtys and Seventys they became associated with they the brand of their party became. We are the Pro Crime party like we in that Hammered them throughout all the time but until the Bush Dukakis election.

and then they finally like relented and said: ok, we'll get too conservative looking southerners to run. Try to be tough on crime. Joe Biden was a part of that effort to So, where we we ve seen it before, and it's quite obvious This is where the heart of the along garden, party is in place. abolition or reform, curious, though, like if it's Does this drive more voters? Minority voters into the republican party- I because this, where this is happening, is in minority heavy districts Right

Then the districts where you have upwardly mobile professional middle class Democrats. You know the people who have come into the party over the last two AIDS, their basically unscathed from us that they dont maidens. events in neighborhoods. They don't experience the disorder. They don't see this, but you know. It very much matters in states in places like in Pennsylvania, where. depressed vote among voters of coal. In Philadelphia, were a slight shift towards the Republicans can make a difference statewide. So this is. This is a huge existential question of the Democrats going into next year.

So the next question to you: in coming years there will be fewer progressive, DA's around the country, yes or no. I think they're obeyed the same amount or about the same. I think that the very noticeable I guess, there's probably, can we some backlash less, but I'm not sure at war counteract the People in these cities who want prosecutors like this book, I think, there's gonna, be a profound, the backlash, I think this is the one thing that, irrespective of ideology, people will not put up with anybody. I still think that tight is rising on Progressive DA's and one of them reasons is, Progressive DA's are a way of getting around the fact that. Juries are not institutionally controlled by the left, like everything else is so the waited to get

swing. Outcomes in justice to assure them is just not bring the cases up, not prosecute. Or set automatically mean sentences or let people escape on bail. So I think I think they're gonna keep pushing it for a little bit longer. I think there is a backlash coming as we discuss before, and I think there will be fewer progressive DA's sums. Restrictions are just inquired both on this and they'll, be no dislodging. Other people power now or people like them, but others they'll learn their lesson with that you could blood for an hour plus digital. captain Service at national view, dot com. Your way around are increasingly extensive and I mean increasingly extensive hey will almost material now at the website is behind, A meter, Haywire Eventually, if you're reading

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war, give it to someone else if you're so inclined. Anna was please check, get out so Zan. I know your deal this groundswell around the country repeat Buddha, judge twenty twenty four political play book had Item this morning, reporting lately stay warning about the twenty twenty four, growing around May I repeat, because he has such a high profile buying that member. I think the polling shows his these most well known, Biden, Cabinet member- I I don't know how much that debt that that gets you to note that, in like three hours and fifty cents or by a cup of coffee, had started, but he is on the Sunday shows a lot. He joined the country touting the infrastructure, and his his department has been flooded

with resources from the infrastructure bill. What do you make me, but I think my favorite detail from the report is the part where political says Buddha judge himself says that he hasn't thought about it, but you know everyone around. Him is continuing to talk about this. The idea that people are just haven't thought about. It is the most insane thing. Read in this week, perhaps in an article, he went immediately from being the mayor of South End, a job at which he did it a terrible job Finally, I can say someone who lived there to running for president, The man does nothing but think about being present these in the administration solely because he thinks it will be helpful in his next run. For being present, he does everything that he does in a calculated way. He speaks louder that he does all of it is because he thinks he's going to be. President He did a decent job, I suppose in the primary he pulled terribly among some pretty important groups in the house

we gotta constituency, but he was up there for a while as one of the front runners cut of neck and neck with binding when he had his turn in the spotlight- and I think I remember a couple weeks back rich, you asked us less than a few democratic politicians who would be the motives of the Democratic Party going forward. I sent peat, and I stand by that- I think it's true- that kind of the National Democratic Party wants its party and wants its voters and thinks everybody should look like peed or like people who were like Peter. What politicians who are like him, but I dont think that that's actually what most Democrats want- and I think it's it's bad for the party that he's thinking about this. I don't think he would win, I think it's ludicrous that he would think he's ever going to be president and that he's doing anything now there's going to to help him. I mean been being transportation secretary in this and ministries is not actually going to get him anywhere is just not a very good but I find it very amusing, considering that people round him think it would be a good idea, so.

We D Mayor PETE, her exemplifies the point you make that the Democratic Party is now by foreign of the White Upper middle class Yeah I mean I'm dumb, it's gonna be party. If it's only of that mean the idea that President Peat is. Plausible Amy is only possible through a twitter or through this, causative world of ultra political junkies. Who think that, like the only thing that matters about peat is that well, he's kind of a centrist like mine was a central.

you know in the inner democratic sphere, and so one that works and, oh you know, Peter Kind nuth mastered some of the rhetorical tricks. Barack Obama did so that you know maybe speaks well for him and she sang black voters. Don't like him and you can't win the democratic nomination without substantial support from black loners. They ve, especially as you turned toward the south. They really help determine the nominee and did not consult them at all. would be a disaster for the party I know people want to make this happen. They want. They want.

You know they want. I think every democratic ticket from now on will try to attempt to be a kind of historic right like a historic first, the first gay president or the first while women of color vice president, the first woman color president, the first indian american President. I don't know where they go next, but I just don't see this happening at all. His ease, just he's not accomplished, mean sort of like he certainly Mackenzie shells yeah he's a cop Mckinsey consultants, idea of what president should look like credentials, almost his credentials future. You said that this is a party middle class white people, I would add one more qualified, boring upper middle class way

conventional upper middle class way what credentials upper middle class wasted a middle class white people have or think they have learned how to play every game. and when they discover as many have, that, that does lead you automatically to riches and celebration. get very angry. There's a whole host of people out there in America who have the Right, good entrails, who say the right things you show but the right functions, but long impressive, Anwar, respected compare their student loans and angry about it and people to judge They're gonna guy he's a guy.

speeds eight languages there, nothing interesting to say in any of them. There was a fantastic people to judge, problem generator on the internet. Last time he ran. and not only did it nail people judges way of speaking but it also showed that he doesn't really believe in it absolutely hilarious that he says he not thinking about running for president, when Amazon just featured a duck, country about and good may repeat, in which he says the opposite- she says his understands biddiomahs threaten me at the end. I don't know The present- but I am maybe she's thinking about it, he is somebody who is not aware of his own limitations. His own lack of accomplishment already Harry, comes across because you

at all the right box. It. I think that, aside from the question of the future, the Democratic Party he's going to hurt him. If you look at American President's, they tend to be fitted with different. I was soon saw the sin in abundance with Donald Trump who came before him Barack Obama did not check all right boxes, Bill Clinton did not check all the right boxes. By building had a lot of liabilities, but enough casement to get over them I would be absolutely shocked if people to Jessica got what he wants to be so then to the point of being credential they're. Just Peat is glib gotta, given that a monkey bootstraps his way from mayor of six have been too.

It is serious presidential candidate, at least for the time he gotta get that, but, but he just still is kind of Bright and shiny is a new penny and and you know that they're at the depth there is like an inch deep and like a classic example of this was a couple weeks ago when he was taking a question about the infrastructure bill and ask an american reporter. I forget which one asked a mule: what are you gonna do about the racist history of? I rose having I d racial eyes are hard nations, transportation infrastructure and he didn't bad bad and I and ii immediately rattled office. The story sad how railroad Moses with developing a, our way that went to a beach in New York City area. Had it is made, really love, so buses couldn't go on. This parkway, therefore, would have kept Puerto rican. and other minorities from taking the busted the beach, and he

Agnes from the biography of Robert Moses- and you know it this unprecedented bid to know, but obviously, that was that was just but put in a page in front of them on his desk, any memorize. It could spit it out. That's fine but he doesn't know anything else about it. This story itself, even though it is in the buyer. Barghouti is dubious and other people have explained why, but that's kind of mayor pizza go to impressive soon as equity when he saw these reporters from from

Norway and he could speak Europe's desists Merriam Norwegian and all the prolonged guy. She in energy terms of norwegian and emitters. Why, basically no have say hi, I speak Norwegian, but it at our memory thing Alice, but its color, it's it's catnip for a certain kind of journalist, Anna as a certain kind of white collar professional. Isn't I think, to ever to send a couple minutes ago that he's Mackenzie idea, one accomplished partition would look like it, so it is exactly what he sounds like a vacancy consult and he doesn't even sound like a politician- and I remember early on in the democratic primary behind us. out. I guess that's why he had just sort of rising to front runner for a while there stood out, sounding articulate and like he was actually saying thing interesting, a lot of the candidates up their sounded kind of crazy half baked at ridiculous policy. Those rules and sounded almost moderate, some of the time Yet this kind of nice tone about him and had these

a long sentences and then, if you stopped and listened a little bit harder, you noticed that he was saying a lot of words. It sounded tat of nice, but none of them actually meant anything and they certainly weren't moderate and he tried to pay Himself off, as I'm Europa, in some ways, but from the MID West in Almaty, in others, and I get where men all the road Americans are coming from, and I was sort of his wife who is trying to have have it both ways and played a both parts of the base like that. But if you actually listen hard to what he sang he's. Nothing but the time in them the robber most stories. A great example of that. Why on earth would you take Russian seriously to begin with and then to have Some kind of you know half baked example that may or may not be true off the top of your head that you rattle after pander to that particular person and move on its classic peat, and I dont think I kind of thinking can sustain you as a candidate. Then I guess that's eventually what happened in the last round I think it will happen again and, as Michael points out not having blocked. Voters on your side is a problem for one in the democratic nation- I don't think he has any future as

a serious presidential candidate solely because of that, but there's plenty of other things wrong with into sideways. do the x question Mvd Mayor PETE will be on the national ticket either in twenty twenty four twenty, twenty, eight, yes or no. Man, never under no the bigger sigh whenever reddening pot- that's that's one of us pregnant and frightened brought thought fraught. Praus pauses a meeting that there will be no near half- knows spines everyone. In making sudden and no one ever went bankrupt, underestimating, entails the american people and signal one never broke estimating the soft destructiveness of the Democratic Party so yeah. I think he could be a nominee

They might brute force him in mean they made the it try to make the point system, less small, be democratic precisely to avoid, Bernie Sanders and authentic me work. Jewish socialist and prepare it for fake people like every Clinton or Elizabeth Warning or people to judge. So the victim accredit party could elect a fake human as their nominee. Sure that I will take human rights was branded. Just ask general welfare human on the Democratic National for twenty, twenty, eight, yes or no, I'm in Kampala Harris has a good shot. So yeah, I don't think I'm gonna pick paper And then you are now and peat as well. I think it's unlikely

There's a scenario depending on the nominees that he might bring some kind advantage that ticket and be factors VP about. I think both are highly unlikely yeah. I must again to say no, I think it's calories. level, cabinet officer, you no good for him. He's transportation secretary butts, I just I don't think he has it. I don't think he's got it. You know because a massive establishment front runner with huge resources behind him or her, which is what happened with Hillary Clinton? He'd obviously does not have the charisma, Morocco Obama by various things, happened a break break the right way for him and he was an establishment front runner catalysts status. For, while before he outlasted everyone else in the democratic, farmers. I just don't see it must continue to believe that an Eric Adams type is a way for them.

Has to go a moderate african american and people forget that was basically Barack Obama's appeal in in two thousand and eight. When he first rose to national prominence, he made a big deal of trying to blur ideological lines and enough famously said in that connection: speakers no red or Blue America. I don't, I don't think mirror peace can be undertaken and twenty four twenty eight, so we recording the day before Thanksgiving. So, It is proper that we have some thanks. Giving discussion which we're gonna, do all exit question style and we're gonna bring Sarah shitty in for this part of the discussion and begin with you, Charles He W Cook is Thanksgiving. A white

washing of genocide. Yes or no, and please show your work well, there is obviously a lot in american history that is a shameful Most notably slavery, but also many of our interactions with native Americans. But if you look at when Thanksgiving and why, giving was deployed by american leaders had absolutely nothing to do with genocide.

Quite the opposite: it spinner an idea, universal idea that has been called upon him in times of trouble. So I'm not right. I dont think the way telling a false story. I think it means something completely different. I don't think it is, and I think I am people who argue that easier or killjoy is looking for a problem with everything. But the main reason is not as these giving is not wasn't institute Ass, as truly saddened isn't meant to be a celebration of literally everything. Anyone in America has ever done. It has a very specific purpose in american life and we don't have to actually think about genocide or pretended there

genocide. There are other horrible tragedies. Haven't happened to celebrate thanks giving for what it is. I believe it's none of my washing genocide. Let's be honest, I mean the D. The great horrible tragedy word native american people's was the colombian exchange itself, which which just the mere fact of it happening, created a spread of disease at annihilated, eyelid them in numbers that your later settlers would never match by deliberate attempts to kill or more deprive and oppress, and that's it

That's a real tragedy and a real horror at culture. American died, largely died out, died, autonomy because it was so much less advanced than the culture encountered in the settlers and down No, a massively technologically advanced culture has a way of totally melting in disbursing energies, mythology and life style of any more primitive culture that it

encounters and that the most that was the most dramatic one we have in recorded history. Really I mean we have. We have smaller examples in the history of colonialism. Something similar happening in the Congo, now swear so very sad budget. The thanksgiving grew up as a holiday in in the american nation itself.

As the american state was being built up in its gathered this momentum long after these horrors and tragedies happened, so no its, not just any old. I agree with everybody else. It's it's! Not an army kirkpatrick right. I really love they. What about funding skipping and cheese, really clear, as everybody else has been saying that this is a more nuanced then and then activists would have us believe that the main point as we should all be more grateful. Yeah, that's a wonderful, wonderful book. I refer to that repeatedly myself over the years so that the first thanks getting it

was legitimately a coming together of people from England and native Americans, and why should that be remember remember finally, now, as anybody points out, there is terrible diseases that were brought over not deliberately no one even understood what was going on that decimated new killed. Ninety percent of native Americans, but you know we were, where the settlers are aware of that, now and the idea that we should be teaching you young schoolchildren. You know what happened subsequently of horrific King Philips WAR, which, by the way it was fought by both sides. It wasn't just the the settlers and both sides paid a desperate price but the settlers. Prevailed, but that we should be teaching them that instead of this this wonderful moment when there was this,

this coming together and then subsequently Thanksgiving, yet if we didn't have it, we would have to invent it in a day of thankfulness. For although have incredible abundance of this country, a mindfulness of God and is as many blessings so, no it's not a whitewashing of genocide. Yes, you know our art history shouldn't pass over our sins, but marking this this day is not an academic exercise or should involve a graduate level, of course, on the through the rivalries between native Americans settle led to this alliance for for a time with the settlers there and in Plymouth. We should enjoy the day and be grateful for the manifold a blessings of this country, so next question

do you Zan first, which of these is the first, which among these is the most important conservative virtue, courage, prudence or gratitude says are really tough question, but I think the most important conservative virtue for Gonna clarified that way. I think dancers gratitude, because that's a very conservative impulse to look back at what has happened to be grateful for how we got to where we are in a way that enables us her or better informs. What we want to do in the future, then believe have an inkling. What your answer

the debate, but I am asking anyway future courage. Gratitude and yeah yeah possibilities occurred, prudence and rapid our gratitude to changes from each to age that spending on the circumstances considers find themselves in a most often. It is gratitude I would say right now: it has to be courage socially, I would say, prudence, hampers the others cheque book. I can guess prudence, because, although I am a normative gratitude, you can exercise prudence without being grateful. In fact, often, you should exercise Britain to that being grateful and one of these Tenets of conservatism,

that, even if you're not sure why something exists. You should still method and big careful about tearing down or changing it, If we make everything continue to congratulate, then we would not do that yeah. I think that's a great point. I would still till towards. Gratitude basic thankful attitude towards what what we have plays into the empty to defend and conserve it, and to do so with with courage, as necessary and warranted and prudently as well with that Sarah shitty.

you're Thanksgiving Day is not complete with, without which of these, and you must choose only want the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade multiple glasses of wine. A nap or leftovers are now, Why we- usually- you're a little earlier so than a few nap in between than you can just go back for a second meal later, I don't think this is a question for me- is it Fifthly, multiple glutted, why that's everyday John, the Thanksgiving makes it more socially acceptable,

in four years, that the basis of of conservatism, multiple glasses wine pleasant, makes the Macy's day prayed more enjoyable leads to a longer nap and a grocer appetite later on for the leftovers. It all comes together. Mine will be the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. I grew up watching it so now. I think it's come increasingly absurd and unfair it was fun and old Timey, since I've been watching it, but I'd start makes me pretty Subjects I would really like Thanksgiving without waking up to watch it. Emily tough one in the glasses of wine in the map. One led to the other. You can't exactly, but it's the It's I don't know get the map, but in our view, giving the naps always happen. There always. Some men who

venture out after one course, I lived with one of these extended families that often does like passed a course ahead of time there they ve got italian in them of his past, of course, is an anti all sorts of marshes. Then there is sometimes a map, then there's dinner, then some other people map and then finally dessert so societies fantasy, whose passing out. Yeah, so this is a close question, but I can also go with with nap theirs something about it that that brings home Carnegie, be restless restfulness of of, the day in Canada, the length of the drinking and the feast. That's that's brought home by

then, now, Sir related question: when we go to you first and SARA, I think you you ve tipped your hands here, but the correct time to have Thanksgiving dinner is two p m to four p m or seven p m. If you have to choose options at two p m, If we can get it on the table by then no embassies he's gonna early to me were PM scorpions right, it's the young, you, ve gotten stuff into the oven late in the morning before noon comes out, ran four p m and it gives you time for dessert after six or seven when you before, you can finally a bear to take any more food in that. we are two p M household and I would advocated on the grounds that, if you eat at two p m or thereabouts,

sometimes even earlier for us, you can actually have a pretty effective second dinner later in the day. Yes, heartily agree, joy, but heard trousers yeah yeah wait. We have a close divide here. I gotta say four p m. I don't think it's really a close was questioned. I take take your view seriously. Sir and that you promised to early requires too much cooking too soon, four p m, still allows you the late night leftover, which I think it is, is a is a must at the Turkey and stuffing sandwich, but but four p dot m is just the the the right time: someone should play ripper said this the other day and a lot of people were upset about it said seven p dot m- I don't get seven p dot m at all and I would definitely take two p dot m over seven p dot m. If I had to choose so Charlie Cook, which is the best

holiday, sport and Christmas day, NBA July Fourth Nathan's hot dog, eating conscious joyfully small New year's college football ball games or thanks giving proper acceding verbal no question. In fact, this is my very thing about things giving us the football match. I plan on those persons, but so was not the wines before we go hand in hand, then the third tough one because of course baseball is the best by quarter. and so you would think that baseball's always the right answer to a question like this, but the trick is the weather right on the fourth day. I wanna be inside washing baseball's greatest it is you wanna be outside barbecuing. So the correct answer is the second best Port college football, yours when it's cold and want to be inside ok surgery.

Is it really terrible and, like my really bad American, if I said I'd, never actually watch any of the above any of the above all the answers yes, the overall good American say stock is still firmly in the good american category, but this this definitely is it and the debit com stare and will try to get this answer billing. Anybody who one of my funders memories of Thanksgiving, was actually playing football. Nelson school. My friends, would get together for an annual turkey role to play in the morning of early before you had the cook. That was always good, so if you can play some four. I think things giving football is best, but as a spectator, you didn't even mean that the best one to me is the winter classes. Unused Dave Outdoors is sound its new innovation, but I'm

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Say for meets my wife's pumpkin cheesecake, which some sort of like cutting it both ways: the pumpkin flavor but its cheesecake. Not I. I can see that chili cook my aloud. He can course. I will do pecan pipe both because I love it. It'll say my dad love speaking why, more than any other desert, except the tiramisu as minds me with the term issue, is the best dessert Another another home run them absolute It reminds me of him, then all you, my favorite deserts have Ado with chocolate, but I make it an exception on Thanksgiving, because it's just traditional have pie and self I'm gonna die. I like many kinds, but my favorite is blueberry. So that's usually when I asked I guess, I'll pump, thereby think is clearly prompted by Apple pie, the poem

apple pie like a really good apple pie is really good, but the average pumpkin apple pie just pedestrian. Pick on Pike and you really good of its. If it's just a little with massive amounts of sugar, but I think pumpkin pie is the best. So we just got to exit questions left stick with you Zan is Turkey actually good yes or no. It is, and it's not what I would pick my birthday dinner, for example, but it's definitely better than chicken and that council something in my book Emily and I'm going to say it depends here my Turkey's really good. When I make Turkey it's really good. So yes, let the secret my my mother's recipe. She just found, I think it southern living max

in them in the nineties, but it's basically just in a brain, the turkey? at a time, but then do why legal. Wine orange juice and lots of butter dip achieve cloth, Matt Stuff, a turkey with aromatics. put some sprigs of rosemary under the skin and keep that she's cloth wet throughout the roasting. Take it off at the under Crispin skin, and it's just don't ever cook it make sure you pull it out of the oven that ten degrees before ten degrees ahead of the temperature. You actually want. It all carry up tragedy. Yes, when cooked by my mom in butter and Champagne Jim campaign. That is interesting work as the. How does it work a lot of champagne report over the tricky

was pacing the turkey in champagne, gas and other pact under them again apples apples stepped into the cavity? I guess Charlie's eyes, widening, as as as we speak, and it wasn't do the turkey. It makes it really tender and moist equipment like Michael's, cannot overtook the Turkey Troy Cook. I have a totally different impression of you now. Sarah, even though I have met some of your family, I now see you as a wrapper. Essentially in it in one of those visit has just think shampoo. however, Turkey that is so decadent I can tell you but I think this is because I've never had a bad thanksgiving meal. So possible if I had that I wouldn't think Turkey is good. Thankfully, the people have been too for Thanksgiving. I've always done it very well.

I think it is good. I order Thanksgiving type meals. Are all during the year, and I just don't think I am I hats off too like anybody and Sir said, Montague fantastic job with Turkey, I'm fine with pedestrian Turkey, has he got stuffing it's a little dry, you just just ladle more gravy on an gravy part the beauty of the Thanksgiving meal. Me also- and I say Turkey is definitely good- troika, cranberry, yes or no definitely cranberries a key ingredient really I think so. I think cranberries such a wonderful, offset counterpoint to the Turkey Jeff I agree. You definitely ended the turkey and for any cooks out there are putting amateur cooks. You definitely want a lot of clamorous ass because you need something acidic everything else. All the rest of food is typically very heavy, even kind of, Bland and you need something acidic to cut through their and cranberry. Doesn't

In our house we do cranberry orange relish, which has even better, I think nice sincerity dreary have another shockingly heterodox answer for us now: in yes on cranberries, and I this year I'm falling and I'm doing more of an orange can vary. Sussex I make my own by. I definitely have spiked Micron very fast in the past and really enjoyed it nice and we d similarly in and totally for cranberries us, so I think the answer is yes, but I'm not as an end, not a great cranberry enthusiast I'll just take a little bit, but I do like to have a little bit. So that's it for us seamen list To a national view, podcasting you re broadcast retransmission countless game without express written permission of national magazine is strictly pro imitators park, Esben produced by the incomparable Sarah. Should he who makes a sound better? then we deserve. Thank you, Charlie, thank you and thank you envy d and thanks especially to

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